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« Reply #3300 on: June 23, 2024, 12:00:39 am »
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« Reply #3301 on: June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm »
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3302 on: June 23, 2024, 01:27:39 pm »
Ryan Mcbeth covered this on
Youtube (censored) and  Substack (uncensored) covered this. Its falls under the concept of "deceptive imagery persuasion".

The Russian observation drone records a man presumably surrendering and walking toward Russian front lines. The drone that comes to attack him comes from the same side as the observation drone (lower right of the screen). That is not the only possibility, because the video quality is not good and there is not enough information given to know.

It is Russian sources putting this out on Telegram, and this is getting picked up and spread with increasing histrionics on western online media channels. Like Defiant America, comparing this to WW-I mustard gas and the Terminator movies.

The source for this is the telegram channel Рядовой на передовой, "Private on the front line", captioned as "Frontline_PVT" using this as their thumbnail:<p>





(Apologies for the image size, I'm still new to using this forum's format)

Frontline_PVT is advertised as coming from a Russian soldier on the frontlines and patriotic believer in the Russian invasion. Looking at the Google translation of the channel, something odd comes up. When the man on the street, or in this case, the man in the trench, is in any trench over the entire front line, whoever is running the channel is not in any trench and is not just one person. This is a propaganda channel giving the Russian public what their government wants them to see. 
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3303 on: June 23, 2024, 02:11:29 pm »
Quote from: Widget Jr on June 23, 2024, 01:27:39 pm
Ryan Mcbeth covered this on
Youtube (censored) and  Substack (uncensored) covered this. Its falls under the concept of "deceptive imagery persuasion".

The Russian observation drone records a man presumably surrendering and walking toward Russian front lines. The drone that comes to attack him comes from the same side as the observation drone (lower right of the screen). That is not the only possibility, because the video quality is not good and there is not enough information given to know.

It is Russian sources putting this out on Telegram, and this is getting picked up and spread with increasing histrionics on western online media channels. Like Defiant America, comparing this to WW-I mustard gas and the Terminator movies.

The source for this is the telegram channel Рядовой на передовой, "Private on the front line", captioned as "Frontline_PVT" using this as their thumbnail:<p>





(Apologies for the image size, I'm still new to using this forum's format)

Frontline_PVT is advertised as coming from a Russian soldier on the frontlines and patriotic believer in the Russian invasion. Looking at the Google translation of the channel, something odd comes up. When the man on the street, or in this case, the man in the trench, is in any trench over the entire front line, whoever is running the channel is not in any trench and is not just one person. This is a propaganda channel giving the Russian public what their government wants them to see. 

First of all welcome to TBR @Widget Jr !!  Good post.  I believe though that there is propaganda coming out from both sides and even from our own gov't.  Just my opinion.
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« Reply #3304 on: June 23, 2024, 02:16:44 pm »
This makes more sense that what he [Nigel Farage] said earlier.  But I still don't agree with him.

The West’s errors in Ukraine have been catastrophic. I won’t apologise for telling the truth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/22/wests-errors-in-ukraine-been-catastrophic-i-wont-apologise/

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Don’t blame me for telling the truth about Putin’s war in Ukraine. Facing up the facts about the mistakes of the past has to be the first step towards the peaceful future we all want to see.

In my BBC Panorama interview on Friday, Nick Robinson outrageously accused me of “echoing” Russian president Vladimir Putin’s excuses for his invasion of Ukraine. The political establishment has since been busy echoing that slur.

So, let me set the record straight. I am not and never have been an apologist or supporter of Putin. His invasion of Ukraine was immoral, outrageous and indefensible. As a champion of national sovereignty, I believe that Putin was entirely wrong to invade the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Nobody can fairly accuse me of being an appeaser. I have never sought to justify Putin’s invasion in any way and I’m not now.

But that doesn’t change the fact that I saw it coming a decade ago, warned that it was coming and am one of the few political figures who has been consistently right and honest about Russia’s Ukraine war.

What I have been saying for the past 10 years is that the West has played into Putin’s hands, giving him the excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway.

Back in 2014, when the EU first offered Ukraine an accession agreement, I said in a speech in the European Parliament that “there will be a war in Ukraine”. Why? Because the expansion of NATO and the European Union was giving Putin a pretext he would not ignore.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3305 on: June 23, 2024, 02:20:29 pm »
Quote from: American Girl on June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.

Except of course when Russians use them.


Quote from: American Girl on June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm
This is what the American taxpayers are funding.

Uh, no.  US aid to Ukraine does not include the purchase of drones.  These are wholly funded by Ukrainian taxpayers and through private donations.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3306 on: June 23, 2024, 02:39:24 pm »
Drones, air, land and sea are the future of war.

Period.
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« Reply #3307 on: June 23, 2024, 02:46:41 pm »
If Russians don't like getting hit by Ukrainian drones, then I strongly suggest they get the hell out of Ukraine.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQF8LV4TUTU
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« Reply #3308 on: June 23, 2024, 03:10:52 pm »
You want to see war crimes?

Life under Russian occupation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSaxduOxogU
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3309 on: June 23, 2024, 03:14:14 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 23, 2024, 03:10:52 pm
You want to see war crimes?

Life under Russian occupation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSaxduOxogU

Exactly.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3310 on: June 23, 2024, 03:15:11 pm »
Quote from: American Girl on June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

Oh bullshit. 
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3311 on: June 23, 2024, 03:27:45 pm »
If only they forbid soldiers from murdering civilians on bicycles:





Russians accusing anyone of committing war crimes is the epitome of hypocrisy.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3312 on: June 23, 2024, 04:26:52 pm »
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« Reply #3313 on: June 23, 2024, 04:27:21 pm »
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« Reply #3314 on: June 23, 2024, 04:28:03 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3315 on: June 23, 2024, 04:29:04 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3316 on: June 23, 2024, 04:29:37 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3317 on: June 23, 2024, 04:32:34 pm »
Several Killed in Church and Synagogue Attacks in Russia's Dagestan

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Unknown assailants have attacked two Orthodox churches and a synagogue in Russia's majority Muslim republic of Dagestan, state media reported Sunday, killing six police officers, a member of the national guard, a priest and a security guard.

The attacks took place in Dagestan's capital of Makhachkala and in the coastal city of Derbent, where gunfights were ongoing.

Russia's Investigative Committee has opened criminal terrorism probes over the armed attacks.

Dagestan's Interior Ministry said police had killed four of the gunmen in Makhachkala.

Attackers opened fire at the synagogue and church in Derbent with automatic rifles at around 6:00 p.m. local time before driving away from the scene in a white Volkswagen Polo car, officials reported.

The synagogue caught fire shortly after the attack, according to videos published online.

Father Nikolai, a 66-year-old priest at the Orthodox church in Derbent, was killed in a knife attack, said Shamil Khadulaev, the chairman of Dagestan's Public Monitoring Commission.  .  .  .

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/23/several-killed-in-church-and-synagogue-attacks-in-russias-dagestan-a85496
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3318 on: June 23, 2024, 06:47:51 pm »
Quote from: American Girl on June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

Sounds like the drones are doing a good job of killing Russians. I hope they kill more Russians.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3319 on: June 23, 2024, 06:49:08 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 23, 2024, 03:27:45 pm
Russians accusing anyone of committing war crimes is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3320 on: June 23, 2024, 07:23:01 pm »
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Several Killed in Church and Synagogue Attacks in Russia's Dagestan
The bearded terrorists are all dressed in black and are shouting “Allahu Akbar”

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1804920164321767466

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« Reply #3321 on: June 23, 2024, 08:50:14 pm »
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Quote from: American Girl on June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.
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1. Unlike mustard gas, drones are as evil or not as the users. Mustard gas kills indiscriminately. Ukraine uses their drones against military targets such as tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, Russian warships, Russian SAM systems, the oil refineries and storage facilities that fuel Russian planes and vehicles, Russian airfields, Russian radar systems, and Russian arms producers.

2. While the US did send Ukraine a relatively small number of drones earlier in the war, Ukraine bought and used large numbers of Chinese commercial-grade drones until China imposed an embargo. In the past year or so Ukraine has designed and manufactured its own drones, especially the longer-range drones that have been hitting military targets in the occupied southern Crimean Peninsula and airfields and oil facilities in western Russia.

3. Why you think Ukraine should surrender to Russia instead of defending its territory and liberating Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory eludes me. While I'm sure Russia feels it is atrocious that Ukraine is converting Russian weapons and equipment into scrap steel and aluminum, and killing Russian invaders, Russia chose to invade a sovereign nation. Choices have consequences. To be blunt, that scrap steel and aluminum and those dead Russian soldiers won't be used by Putin to invade what would have been his next targets, Moldova, the Balkan nations, and Poland. Ukraine is effectively obstructing Putin's plans to rebuild Stalin's empire.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #3322 on: June 23, 2024, 08:53:43 pm »
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Ukraine is more interested in taking out Russian weapons, invaders, and the oil on which the Russian military depends. The inspiration for the killers in Dagestan is local, plus or minus Iranian or ISIS or A-Q input.
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I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3323 on: June 23, 2024, 09:11:59 pm »
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1. Unlike mustard gas, drones are as evil or not as the users. Mustard gas kills indiscriminately. Ukraine uses their drones against military targets such as tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, Russian warships, Russian SAM systems, the oil refineries and storage facilities that fuel Russian planes and vehicles, Russian airfields, Russian radar systems, and Russian arms producers.

2. While the US did send Ukraine a relatively small number of drones earlier in the war, Ukraine bought and used large numbers of Chinese commercial-grade drones until China imposed an embargo. In the past year or so Ukraine has designed and manufactured its own drones, especially the longer-range drones that have been hitting military targets in the occupied southern Crimean Peninsula and airfields and oil facilities in western Russia.

3. Why you think Ukraine should surrender to Russia instead of defending its territory and liberating Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory eludes me. While I'm sure Russia feels it is atrocious that Ukraine is converting Russian weapons and equipment into scrap steel and aluminum, and killing Russian invaders, Russia chose to invade a sovereign nation. Choices have consequences. To be blunt, that scrap steel and aluminum and those dead Russian soldiers won't be used by Putin to invade what would have been his next targets, Moldova, the Balkan nations, and Poland. Ukraine is effectively obstructing Putin's plans to rebuild Stalin's empire.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3324 on: June 23, 2024, 09:28:59 pm »
Quote from: American Girl on June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

Well, at least you outed another wildly pro-Russian, anti-American source.   So thanks for that at least.

The idea that drones are a war crime is completely laughable.  At least drones are guided by human hands after launch.  Your basic artillery, mortar, and even rifle rounds are on their own once they leave that barrel, and can kill anyone.  I can't fathom a remotely rational why the former would be illegal, but the latter not.
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