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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3301 on: June 23, 2024, 12:11:11 pm »
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3302 on: June 23, 2024, 01:27:39 pm »
Ryan Mcbeth covered this on
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Substack (uncensored) covered this. Its falls under the concept of "deceptive imagery persuasion".

The Russian observation drone records a man presumably surrendering and walking toward Russian front lines. The drone that comes to attack him comes from the same side as the observation drone (lower right of the screen). That is not the only possibility, because the video quality is not good and there is not enough information given to know.

It is Russian sources putting this out on Telegram, and this is getting picked up and spread with increasing histrionics on western online media channels. Like Defiant America, comparing this to WW-I mustard gas and the Terminator movies.

The source for this is the telegram channel Рядовой на передовой, "Private on the front line", captioned as "Frontline_PVT" using this as their thumbnail:<p>





(Apologies for the image size, I'm still new to using this forum's format)

Frontline_PVT is advertised as coming from a Russian soldier on the frontlines and patriotic believer in the Russian invasion. Looking at the Google translation of the channel, something odd comes up. When the man on the street, or in this case, the man in the trench, is in any trench over the entire front line, whoever is running the channel is not in any trench and is not just one person. This is a propaganda channel giving the Russian public what their government wants them to see. 

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« Reply #3303 on: June 23, 2024, 02:11:29 pm »
Ryan Mcbeth covered this on
Youtube (censored) and 
Substack (uncensored) covered this. Its falls under the concept of "deceptive imagery persuasion".

The Russian observation drone records a man presumably surrendering and walking toward Russian front lines. The drone that comes to attack him comes from the same side as the observation drone (lower right of the screen). That is not the only possibility, because the video quality is not good and there is not enough information given to know.

It is Russian sources putting this out on Telegram, and this is getting picked up and spread with increasing histrionics on western online media channels. Like Defiant America, comparing this to WW-I mustard gas and the Terminator movies.

The source for this is the telegram channel Рядовой на передовой, "Private on the front line", captioned as "Frontline_PVT" using this as their thumbnail:<p>





(Apologies for the image size, I'm still new to using this forum's format)

Frontline_PVT is advertised as coming from a Russian soldier on the frontlines and patriotic believer in the Russian invasion. Looking at the Google translation of the channel, something odd comes up. When the man on the street, or in this case, the man in the trench, is in any trench over the entire front line, whoever is running the channel is not in any trench and is not just one person. This is a propaganda channel giving the Russian public what their government wants them to see. 

First of all welcome to TBR @Widget Jr !!  Good post.  I believe though that there is propaganda coming out from both sides and even from our own gov't.  Just my opinion.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3304 on: June 23, 2024, 02:16:44 pm »
This makes more sense that what he [Nigel Farage] said earlier.  But I still don't agree with him.

The West’s errors in Ukraine have been catastrophic. I won’t apologise for telling the truth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/22/wests-errors-in-ukraine-been-catastrophic-i-wont-apologise/

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Don’t blame me for telling the truth about Putin’s war in Ukraine. Facing up the facts about the mistakes of the past has to be the first step towards the peaceful future we all want to see.

In my BBC Panorama interview on Friday, Nick Robinson outrageously accused me of “echoing” Russian president Vladimir Putin’s excuses for his invasion of Ukraine. The political establishment has since been busy echoing that slur.

So, let me set the record straight. I am not and never have been an apologist or supporter of Putin. His invasion of Ukraine was immoral, outrageous and indefensible. As a champion of national sovereignty, I believe that Putin was entirely wrong to invade the sovereign nation of Ukraine. Nobody can fairly accuse me of being an appeaser. I have never sought to justify Putin’s invasion in any way and I’m not now.

But that doesn’t change the fact that I saw it coming a decade ago, warned that it was coming and am one of the few political figures who has been consistently right and honest about Russia’s Ukraine war.

What I have been saying for the past 10 years is that the West has played into Putin’s hands, giving him the excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway.

Back in 2014, when the EU first offered Ukraine an accession agreement, I said in a speech in the European Parliament that “there will be a war in Ukraine”. Why? Because the expansion of NATO and the European Union was giving Putin a pretext he would not ignore.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3305 on: June 23, 2024, 02:20:29 pm »
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.

Except of course when Russians use them.


This is what the American taxpayers are funding.

Uh, no.  US aid to Ukraine does not include the purchase of drones.  These are wholly funded by Ukrainian taxpayers and through private donations.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3306 on: June 23, 2024, 02:39:24 pm »
Drones, air, land and sea are the future of war.

Period.

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« Reply #3307 on: June 23, 2024, 02:46:41 pm »
If Russians don't like getting hit by Ukrainian drones, then I strongly suggest they get the hell out of Ukraine.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQF8LV4TUTU
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« Reply #3308 on: June 23, 2024, 03:10:52 pm »
You want to see war crimes?

Life under Russian occupation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSaxduOxogU
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3309 on: June 23, 2024, 03:14:14 pm »
You want to see war crimes?

Life under Russian occupation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSaxduOxogU

Exactly.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3310 on: June 23, 2024, 03:15:11 pm »
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

Oh bullshit. 

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3311 on: June 23, 2024, 03:27:45 pm »
If only they forbid soldiers from murdering civilians on bicycles:





Russians accusing anyone of committing war crimes is the epitome of hypocrisy.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3312 on: June 23, 2024, 04:26:52 pm »
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« Reply #3313 on: June 23, 2024, 04:27:21 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3314 on: June 23, 2024, 04:28:03 pm »
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« Reply #3315 on: June 23, 2024, 04:29:04 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3316 on: June 23, 2024, 04:29:37 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3317 on: June 23, 2024, 04:32:34 pm »
Several Killed in Church and Synagogue Attacks in Russia's Dagestan

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Unknown assailants have attacked two Orthodox churches and a synagogue in Russia's majority Muslim republic of Dagestan, state media reported Sunday, killing six police officers, a member of the national guard, a priest and a security guard.

The attacks took place in Dagestan's capital of Makhachkala and in the coastal city of Derbent, where gunfights were ongoing.

Russia's Investigative Committee has opened criminal terrorism probes over the armed attacks.

Dagestan's Interior Ministry said police had killed four of the gunmen in Makhachkala.

Attackers opened fire at the synagogue and church in Derbent with automatic rifles at around 6:00 p.m. local time before driving away from the scene in a white Volkswagen Polo car, officials reported.

The synagogue caught fire shortly after the attack, according to videos published online.

Father Nikolai, a 66-year-old priest at the Orthodox church in Derbent, was killed in a knife attack, said Shamil Khadulaev, the chairman of Dagestan's Public Monitoring Commission.  .  .  .

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/06/23/several-killed-in-church-and-synagogue-attacks-in-russias-dagestan-a85496
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3318 on: June 23, 2024, 06:47:51 pm »
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

Sounds like the drones are doing a good job of killing Russians. I hope they kill more Russians.
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« Reply #3319 on: June 23, 2024, 06:49:08 pm »
Russians accusing anyone of committing war crimes is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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« Reply #3320 on: June 23, 2024, 07:23:01 pm »
Several Killed in Church and Synagogue Attacks in Russia's Dagestan
The bearded terrorists are all dressed in black and are shouting “Allahu Akbar”

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1804920164321767466

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3321 on: June 23, 2024, 08:50:14 pm »
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Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.
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1. Unlike mustard gas, drones are as evil or not as the users. Mustard gas kills indiscriminately. Ukraine uses their drones against military targets such as tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, Russian warships, Russian SAM systems, the oil refineries and storage facilities that fuel Russian planes and vehicles, Russian airfields, Russian radar systems, and Russian arms producers.

2. While the US did send Ukraine a relatively small number of drones earlier in the war, Ukraine bought and used large numbers of Chinese commercial-grade drones until China imposed an embargo. In the past year or so Ukraine has designed and manufactured its own drones, especially the longer-range drones that have been hitting military targets in the occupied southern Crimean Peninsula and airfields and oil facilities in western Russia.

3. Why you think Ukraine should surrender to Russia instead of defending its territory and liberating Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory eludes me. While I'm sure Russia feels it is atrocious that Ukraine is converting Russian weapons and equipment into scrap steel and aluminum, and killing Russian invaders, Russia chose to invade a sovereign nation. Choices have consequences. To be blunt, that scrap steel and aluminum and those dead Russian soldiers won't be used by Putin to invade what would have been his next targets, Moldova, the Balkan nations, and Poland. Ukraine is effectively obstructing Putin's plans to rebuild Stalin's empire.
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Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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« Reply #3322 on: June 23, 2024, 08:53:43 pm »
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4:14 PM · Jun 23, 2024

Ukraine is more interested in taking out Russian weapons, invaders, and the oil on which the Russian military depends. The inspiration for the killers in Dagestan is local, plus or minus Iranian or ISIS or A-Q input.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3323 on: June 23, 2024, 09:11:59 pm »


1. Unlike mustard gas, drones are as evil or not as the users. Mustard gas kills indiscriminately. Ukraine uses their drones against military targets such as tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, Russian warships, Russian SAM systems, the oil refineries and storage facilities that fuel Russian planes and vehicles, Russian airfields, Russian radar systems, and Russian arms producers.

2. While the US did send Ukraine a relatively small number of drones earlier in the war, Ukraine bought and used large numbers of Chinese commercial-grade drones until China imposed an embargo. In the past year or so Ukraine has designed and manufactured its own drones, especially the longer-range drones that have been hitting military targets in the occupied southern Crimean Peninsula and airfields and oil facilities in western Russia.

3. Why you think Ukraine should surrender to Russia instead of defending its territory and liberating Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory eludes me. While I'm sure Russia feels it is atrocious that Ukraine is converting Russian weapons and equipment into scrap steel and aluminum, and killing Russian invaders, Russia chose to invade a sovereign nation. Choices have consequences. To be blunt, that scrap steel and aluminum and those dead Russian soldiers won't be used by Putin to invade what would have been his next targets, Moldova, the Balkan nations, and Poland. Ukraine is effectively obstructing Putin's plans to rebuild Stalin's empire.

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« Reply #3324 on: June 23, 2024, 09:28:59 pm »
Drones are the “Mustard Gas” of the 21st century.
They must be forbidden.
This scene shows a war crime.
This is what the American taxpayers are funding. Vote the Warmongers out. All of them. Our society can live in peace, not barbarism.

https://defiantamerica.com/video-from-ukraine-this-is-the-war-against-machines-we-thought-would-never-come-straight-out-of-a-terminator-movie/

Well, at least you outed another wildly pro-Russian, anti-American source.   So thanks for that at least.

The idea that drones are a war crime is completely laughable.  At least drones are guided by human hands after launch.  Your basic artillery, mortar, and even rifle rounds are on their own once they leave that barrel, and can kill anyone.  I can't fathom a remotely rational why the former would be illegal, but the latter not.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3325 on: June 23, 2024, 10:35:26 pm »
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« Reply #3327 on: June 24, 2024, 09:40:02 am »
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« Reply #3328 on: June 24, 2024, 11:10:18 am »
One of the huge errors of the USSR - partially due to their command economy stifling initiative and innovation - in the 1950, 1960s, and 1970s was failing to develop a semiconductor industry on the scale of what was done in the US. The hit on that facility near Moscow will likely exacerbate a serious bottleneck in Russian military technology.
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« Reply #3329 on: June 24, 2024, 11:42:44 am »
One of the huge errors of the USSR - partially due to their command economy stifling initiative and innovation - in the 1950, 1960s, and 1970s was failing to develop a semiconductor industry on the scale of what was done in the US. The hit on that facility near Moscow will likely exacerbate a serious bottleneck in Russian military technology.


Now they are more dependent on China. Also, who knows how good Chinese semiconductors are? That is the main reason why China wants Taiwan.
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« Reply #3330 on: June 24, 2024, 01:30:53 pm »

Now they are more dependent on China. Also, who knows how good Chinese semiconductors are? That is the main reason why China wants Taiwan.

China's Semiconductors are not as bad as you think.  Many of their larger Fabs were built, and are owned by foreign countries, and the chips are sourced back to the original Countries. 

But they still covet Taiwan's Semiconductors, too.

BTW, I was an R&D technician for years, and I did a lot of testing of Chinese, Taiwanese and US chips.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3331 on: June 24, 2024, 02:17:08 pm »

Now they are more dependent on China. Also, who knows how good Chinese semiconductors are? That is the main reason why China wants Taiwan.

And if China invades Taiwan then the first thing the Taiwanese should do is detonate those fabrication plants to deny them to the CCP.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3332 on: June 24, 2024, 04:32:11 pm »

Russians accusing anyone of committing war crimes is the epitome of hypocrisy.
They learned from Hamas. Hamas can ambush, abduct, rape, and murder, Israelis at will. When Israel acts to stop Hamas and to retaliate, America sides with Hamas.

All the same things apply. Hamas attacks Israel and silence. When Israel prevents Hamas from attacking them it is called "genocide" by America and the World in general. The irony of course is that Hamas and their supporters actually do want 'genocide', and they are proud of it. Hamas says their primary goal is genocide of all Infidels around the world. And Infidels around the world actually support this goal. This means Leftists are protesting in favor of Hamas conquering and enslaving them, their children, and their own friends and families.

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There would be no war if Ukraine would simply give up and allow Russia to murder them and take their country. There would be 'peace'. (even though we all know that if Russia is successful in Ukraine, they will simply move on to other conquests).

There would be no war in Gaza if Israel would simply give up and allow Hamas to kill them. (even though we all know Hamas would use Israeli land to launch attacks on their neighbors and the world at large)
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« Reply #3333 on: June 24, 2024, 04:41:48 pm »
They learned from Hamas. Hamas can ambush, abduct, rape, and murder, Israelis at will. When Israel acts to stop Hamas and to retaliate, America sides with Hamas.

All the same things apply. Hamas attacks Israel and silence. When Israel prevents Hamas from attacking them it is called "genocide" by America and the World in general. The irony of course is that Hamas and their supporters actually do want 'genocide', and they are proud of it. Hamas says their primary goal is genocide of all Infidels around the world. And Infidels around the world actually support this goal. This means Leftists are protesting in favor of Hamas conquering and enslaving them, their children, and their own friends and families.



"HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR COUNTRY FROM MURDEROUS  BARBARIANS!"

There would be no war if Ukraine would simply give up and allow Russia to murder them and take their country. There would be 'peace'. (even though we all know that if Russia is successful in Ukraine, they will simply move on to other conquests).

There would be no war in Gaza if Israel would simply give up and allow Hamas to kill them. (even though we all know Hamas would use Israeli land to launch attacks on their neighbors and the world at large)
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« Reply #3334 on: June 24, 2024, 04:44:30 pm »
They learned from Hamas. Hamas can ambush, abduct, rape, and murder, Israelis at will. When Israel acts to stop Hamas and to retaliate, America sides with Hamas.

All the same things apply. Hamas attacks Israel and silence. When Israel prevents Hamas from attacking them it is called "genocide" by America and the World in general. The irony of course is that Hamas and their supporters actually do want 'genocide', and they are proud of it. Hamas says their primary goal is genocide of all Infidels around the world. And Infidels around the world actually support this goal. This means Leftists are protesting in favor of Hamas conquering and enslaving them, their children, and their own friends and families.

"HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR COUNTRY FROM MURDEROUS  BARBARIANS!"

There would be no war if Ukraine would simply give up and allow Russia to murder them and take their country. There would be 'peace'. (even though we all know that if Russia is successful in Ukraine, they will simply move on to other conquests).

There would be no war in Gaza if Israel would simply give up and allow Hamas to kill them. (even though we all know Hamas would use Israeli land to launch attacks on their neighbors and the world at large)

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3335 on: June 24, 2024, 05:55:30 pm »
And if China invades Taiwan then the first thing the Taiwanese should do is detonate those fabrication plants to deny them to the CCP.


I think that is the plan.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3339 on: June 24, 2024, 10:03:57 pm »
Eight killed in fire at Moscow research centre

24 June 2024  •  8:11pm


Two people jumped to their deaths from the top floors of a burning building linked to the production of Russian weaponry, and at least six others have died in the fire, state-owned Tass news agency reported.

The blaze broke out on Monday at the nine-storey Platan research institute building in the town of Fryazino, a scientific hub in the suburbs of Moscow that falls under US sanctions for producing parts for fighter jets and nuclear launches.

It follows a string of sabotage attempts inside Russia and in Europe targeting firms linked to the war effort on both sides of the conflict.

Footage showed a high-rise block ravaged by flames, with smoke billowing out. Close-up images showed workers who appeared to be trapped as the flames grew higher.

Andrei Vorobyov, Moscow’s regional governor, said one person had been rescued from the inferno. He later added: “It is known for sure that while trying to escape, two men jumped out of the window – unfortunately, they died.”

Footage showed people smashing windows as they tried to escape the flames rising from the first floor.  .  .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/24/copy-of-ukraine-russia-war-latest-news/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3340 on: June 24, 2024, 10:11:37 pm »
"Liberators and protectors", according to one poster here:




A Prisoner of War Describes Captivity in Russia

"At Night, I Prayed I Wouldn't Survive to the Next Day"

When Russia invaded Ukraine, Oleksiy Anulya reported for military duty. Russian soldiers took him prisoner. How does one survive hunger, torture and rape? Here, a former prisoner of war tells his story.

Alexander Kauschanski in Ternopil, Ukraine • 24.06.2024, 09.58 Uhr


"At one point, I imagined escaping from the prison. Not to return to Ukraine. It would have been enough to make it to the nearest village, hide in some farmyard and eat pig slop at night. Or at least be shot to death trying to climb over the fence, instead of dying this agonizingly slow death.”

It’s mid-January and Oleksiy Anulya is lying in Hospital N. 1 in Ternopil, located in western Ukraine. His right arm hangs in a sling. The 30-year-old is recovering from a shoulder operation on the trauma surgery ward. It is the 36th time in just over a year that Anulya has received treatment in a hospital.

When the soldier was released on New Year's Eve 2022 after almost 10 months as a Russian prisoner of war, he was emaciated to the point that he was difficult to recognize. He was missing teeth, the flesh on his legs was rotting and several bones were broken. A former kickboxing champion, Anulya’s muscles were gone. More than one year later, he is still struggling to recover.

Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the two countries have exchanged prisoners on more than 50 occasions. More than 3,000 Ukrainians have been released, including Oleksiy Anulya. Because he has provided such detailed accounts of his time in prison, Anluya has since become something of a media phenomenon in Ukraine, with millions of people having watched his interviews on YouTube.

On this evening, he will end up speaking for more than six hours – sitting on his hospital bed, lying down, snacking on chocolate pralines. Only once will he interrupt the conversation for a brief bathroom break.

Anulya says that he talks about his time in Russian captivity to make the injustices he experienced visible. And to remind the public of the more than 8,000 Ukrainians who are still locked away in Russian prisons.  .  .  .

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-prisoner-of-war-describes-captivity-in-russia-at-night-i-prayed-i-wouldnt-survive-to-the-next-day-a-a2343696-f237-49cd-8c29-9f566b5e775e
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3341 on: June 24, 2024, 10:19:43 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3342 on: June 24, 2024, 10:26:00 pm »
Russia promises retaliation against US for Ukraine strike on Crimea

Dmitry Antonov and Guy Faulconbridge  |  June 24, 20246:44 PM EDT  |   Updated 10 min ago


MOSCOW, June 24 (Reuters) - The Kremlin on Monday squarely blamed the United States for an attack on Crimea with U.S.-supplied ATACMS missiles that killed at least four people and injured 151, and Moscow formally warned the U.S. ambassador that retaliation would follow.

The war in Ukraine has deepened a crisis in relations between Russia and the West, and Russian officials have said the conflict is entering the most dangerous escalation to date.

But directly blaming the United States for an attack on Crimea - which Russia unilaterally annexed in 2014 although most of the world considers it part of Ukraine - is a step further.

"You should ask my colleagues in Europe, and above all in Washington, the press secretaries, why their governments are killing Russian children," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

At least two children were killed in the attack on Sevastopol on Sunday, according to Russian officials. People were shown running from a beach near Sevastopol and some of the injured being carried off on sun loungers. Kyiv did not comment on the attack but denies targeting civilians.  .  .  .

.  .  .  A U.S. official later said that Ukraine was not targeting civilians. It seemed that the Russians were able to intercept an ATACMS missile that was targeting a missile launcher, and the ATACMS exploded with shrapnel raining down on the beach, the American official added.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-blames-us-barbaric-atacms-missile-attack-crimea-2024-06-24/



Russia has been intentionally targeting Ukrainian civilians since this war began.  And now they want to play 'victim' because their air defenses intercepted Ukrainian missiles over civilian areas?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3343 on: June 24, 2024, 10:29:07 pm »
Ukraine’s troops repel 6 Russian attacks north of Kharkiv

Yana Sliemzina  |  24 June 2024  |  18:39


UKRAINE, KHARKIV REGION, June 24 — Ukrainian troops repelled six Russian attacks in the Kharkiv direction since the beginning of the day, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reports.

Russia started their new offensive north and northeast in the Kharkiv region in May, but Ukrainian troops have stabilized the frontline in this section since. Now, heavy battles are ongoing in and around Vovchansk (three miles from the border, 46 miles away from Kharkiv) and Lyptsi (six miles away from the border, 12 miles from Kharkiv.)

The Russian military hit Vovchansk, Hrafske, Tykhe, Ternova, Lyptsi, Zelene, and Ohrimivka in the Kharkiv direction with glide bombs.

A spokesman for “Kharkiv” tactical grouping, Yurii Povkh, said on Ukrainian TV that Ukrainian troops keep destroying Russian military equipment near Vovchansk with artillery and FPV-drones. That’s why, he said, Russians have to attack Ukraine’s positions on foot.

In Kupiansk direction, reports the General Staff, combat clashes are ongoing near Stelmakhivka (82 miles from Kharkiv, 20 miles from Kupiansk), Luhansk Oblast.  .  .

https://gwaramedia.com/en/russian-mine-explosion-kills-two-people-in-kharkiv-region/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3344 on: June 24, 2024, 10:36:00 pm »
One of the huge errors of the USSR - partially due to their command economy stifling initiative and innovation - in the 1950, 1960s, and 1970s was failing to develop a semiconductor industry on the scale of what was done in the US. The hit on that facility near Moscow will likely exacerbate a serious bottleneck in Russian military technology.

While lacking in semiconductors, they make up for it in vacuum tube technology.
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« Reply #3345 on: June 25, 2024, 11:17:29 am »
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Yana Sliemzina  |  24 June 2024  |  18:39

UKRAINE, KHARKIV REGION, June 24 — Ukrainian troops repelled six Russian attacks in the Kharkiv direction since the beginning of the day, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reports.

The Russians' "breakthough" in Kharkiv that had Ukraine-Haters jiggling with excitement stalled weeks ago and was a few dozen square miles' penetration 4 or 5 miles in depth. Having stalled it, Ukraine has recovered some of what Russian invaders conquered and Russian casualties have been, well, I'm lacking in proportional superlatives.

While lacking in semiconductors, they make up for it in vacuum tube technology.

While Russians' signal-level triodes and pentodes may be excellent, one cannot build a 1970s-grade or better computer with vacuum tubes. Analog signal processing for radar with vacuum tubes is similarly far or vastly less capable than what can be done using digital semiconductors. As for power vacuum tubes, the US has not at all neglected that. Those drones the US military has communicate using TWTs rated for 100s of watts at 4-20 GHz, and some TWTs operate near or above 100 GHz. At my previous employer I worked on the high voltage power supplies for microwave power modules and did the environmental testing, so I remember the range of frequencies at which they were tested. That employer designed and built a wide variety of klystrons, cavity devices, and travelling wave tubes. Nothing I worked on required a security clearance, but some of its products did.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3346 on: June 25, 2024, 12:39:08 pm »
The Russians' "breakthough" in Kharkiv that had Ukraine-Haters jiggling with excitement stalled weeks ago and was a few dozen square miles' penetration 4 or 5 miles in depth. Having stalled it, Ukraine has recovered some of what Russian invaders conquered and Russian casualties have been, well, I'm lacking in proportional superlatives.



From what I saw on the Russian-loving site (TOS), some moron named Kazan predicted that Kharkiv was going to be occupied by Russia by now.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3347 on: June 25, 2024, 02:45:47 pm »

From what I saw on the Russian-loving site (TOS), some moron named Kazan predicted that Kharkiv was going to be occupied by Russia by now.

Kazan is one of the nastiest pro-Kremlin brigade trolls at TOS.  He actually admitted on a thread that he is a Muslim, probably Tatar, living in the city of Kazan in Russia, 500 miles east of Moscow.  Hence his screen name.  He generally attacks pro-Ukrainian posters with smears and insults and incessantly gaslights on every Ukraine post.  He knows exactly what he is doing.   
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« Reply #3348 on: June 25, 2024, 03:05:53 pm »
Kazan is one of the nastiest pro-Kremlin brigade trolls at TOS.  He actually admitted on a thread that he is a Muslim, probably Tatar, living in the city of Kazan in Russia, 500 miles east of Moscow.  Hence his screen name.  He generally attacks pro-Ukrainian posters with smears and insults and incessantly gaslights on every Ukraine post.  He knows exactly what he is doing.   

Considering centuries of Czarist and Leninist-Stalinist brutality and slaughter against various Tatar groups, I wonder how someone of Tatar ancestry could become Pro-Russian.
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« Reply #3349 on: June 25, 2024, 03:07:13 pm »

I wonder how may of those 48,000 prisoners that were recruited and sent to Ukraine to die still thought it was a better deal than staying in prison  :pondering: