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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3200 on: June 17, 2024, 01:55:49 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 17, 2024, 01:05:57 pm
Russia has about 30 functioning T-34 tanks that they bought from Laos. I keep wondering when they'll get deployed to the front. You know it's coming.

Maybe they need them for training when they have to resurrect T-55s?

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They bought them from Laos?

Laos isn't exactly a military power. And when rebels are armed with sticks and farming tools, a T-34 is rather intimidating and effective.
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« Reply #3201 on: June 17, 2024, 04:32:16 pm »
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« Reply #3202 on: June 17, 2024, 07:00:45 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3203 on: June 17, 2024, 09:17:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 17, 2024, 07:00:45 pm
I wonder how many more of these tanks Laos has?  And why?
They were used in Korea and possibly VIetnam by the northern factions in each fight. THey were, in their day, a good, basic tank, and helped win at Kursk. Older tanks get sold, and for a small country on a budget, especially for local peer state conflicts, likely the T-34 is adequate for most armor tasks.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3204 on: June 17, 2024, 09:49:21 pm »
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They were used in Korea and possibly VIetnam by the northern factions in each fight. THey were, in their day, a good, basic tank, and helped win at Kursk. Older tanks get sold, and for a small country on a budget, especially for local peer state conflicts, likely the T-34 is adequate for most armor tasks.

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« Reply #3205 on: June 17, 2024, 09:57:49 pm »
Somewhere on the earlier threads, there was a replica of a Wermacht Panzer V parked on the side of the road somewhere in Ukraine.  I'll see if I can dig it up.  The hull was a Panther, but it was seated on some other tank chassis.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3206 on: June 17, 2024, 10:02:10 pm »
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« Reply #3207 on: June 18, 2024, 10:40:16 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 17, 2024, 09:17:39 pm
They were used in Korea and possibly VIetnam by the northern factions in each fight. THey were, in their day, a good, basic tank, and helped win at Kursk. Older tanks get sold, and for a small country on a budget, especially for local peer state conflicts, likely the T-34 is adequate for most armor tasks.

It may be that these are T-34-85s, which have an 85 mm instead of the original 76 mm gun.
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« Reply #3208 on: June 18, 2024, 12:13:21 pm »
US set to hand off direction of Ukraine defense campaign to NATO
By JOHN VANDIVER STARS AND STRIPES •
June 13, 2024 A Ukrainian soldier fires a rifle under the supervision of a Norwegian army instructor during training of Ukrainian recruits by NATO allies in the United Kingdom in March 2023.

NATO this week will agree to a plan that will put the alliance in charge of efforts to arm and train the Ukrainian military, marking a shift away from an effort that so far has been an American-led endeavor. (NATO) The U.S. and its allies will agree this week to a plan to put NATO in charge of efforts to arm and train the Ukrainian military, marking a shift away from what so far has been an American-led endeavor.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, speaking before the start Thursday of a two-day ministerial conference, said defense chiefs are gathered in Brussels to put the finishing touches on a concept expected to be met with final approval at NATO’s July summit in Washington.

“What I can say today is that we now have very broad agreement … that NATO takes a leading role in the coordination of security assistance and training,” Stoltenberg said. In recent months, there has been a push at NATO headquarters to take control of the initiative, which was launched by the Pentagon in the aftermath of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3209 on: June 18, 2024, 12:18:19 pm »
Ukraine is in trouble now!  Instead of just one cook stirring the stew, there will be 10-15 with each having political obligations that may not be in harmony.  The best way for s military to operate is not by committee. :nono:
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« Reply #3210 on: June 18, 2024, 12:21:27 pm »
This is Germany's and France's chance to stab Ukraine in the back to get cheap Russian natural gas.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3211 on: June 18, 2024, 03:55:12 pm »
Quote from: rangerrebew on June 18, 2024, 12:18:19 pm
Ukraine is in trouble now!  Instead of just one cook stirring the stew, there will be 10-15 with each having political obligations that may not be in harmony.  The best way for s military to operate is not by committee. :nono:

Um, this move reduces the political influence. It also makes the case for the other NATO countries to shoulder more of the cost for supporting Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3212 on: June 18, 2024, 04:17:37 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 18, 2024, 10:40:16 am
It may be that these are T-34-85s, which have an 85 mm instead of the original 76 mm gun.
Could be. Keep in mind that the T-34 was designed for fighting on the western steppes, and not the highways of Europe.
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« Reply #3213 on: June 18, 2024, 05:08:35 pm »
I really hope the Russians don't waste those T-34 antiques in some pointless battle over some obscure village, hill, or pile of dung.

When the war and sanctions are over those tanks would be worth good money to military vehicle collectors.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3214 on: June 18, 2024, 07:04:18 pm »
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I really hope the Russians don't waste those T-34 antiques in some pointless battle over some obscure village, hill, or pile of dung.

When the war and sanctions are over those tanks would be worth good money to military vehicle collectors.

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« Reply #3215 on: June 18, 2024, 07:22:00 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on June 18, 2024, 05:08:35 pm
I really hope the Russians don't waste those T-34 antiques in some pointless battle over some obscure village, hill, or pile of dung.

When the war and sanctions are over those tanks would be worth good money to military vehicle collectors.
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« Reply #3216 on: June 18, 2024, 11:09:31 pm »
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« Reply #3217 on: June 18, 2024, 11:10:25 pm »
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« Reply #3218 on: June 18, 2024, 11:11:04 pm »
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« Reply #3219 on: June 18, 2024, 11:11:50 pm »
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« Reply #3220 on: June 18, 2024, 11:14:20 pm »
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« Reply #3221 on: June 18, 2024, 11:18:37 pm »
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« Reply #3222 on: June 18, 2024, 11:26:28 pm »
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« Reply #3223 on: June 18, 2024, 11:34:45 pm »
These half-century-old shells were charged against Biden's drawdown at today's full replacement price.  Defense Dept gets paid a fat check for old equipment while Biden bills it as "Aid for Ukraine"

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« Reply #3224 on: June 18, 2024, 11:38:22 pm »
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« Reply #3225 on: June 18, 2024, 11:42:21 pm »
Russian Troops Behead a Ukrainian Soldier in Donetsk Region

AMIRA BARKHUSH  |  Jun 18, 2024  |  16:29

Russian forces in the Volnovakha district of Donetsk region have beheaded a Ukrainian soldier, Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said.

According to him, yesterday the Ukrainian military received information that one of the units of the Russian Federation in the Volnovakha district was ordered not to capture Ukrainian soldiers and instead behead them. After that, aerial reconnaissance found a damaged armored car of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a human head on the hood.

“New horrifying evidence of Russia’s criminal policy aimed at the extermination of Ukrainians: we have received information that Russian commanders have ordered not to take Ukrainian soldiers as prisoners but to kill them with inhumane cruelty—by decapitation,” Prosecutor General wrote.

“This terrible barbarism must have no place in the 21st century. This is yet another proof that the war crimes committed by the aggressor are not isolated incidents but a planned strategy of the Russian regime. These criminal orders were given at the command level of the battalion and the company of the occupation forces.  .  .

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« Reply #3226 on: June 18, 2024, 11:47:07 pm »
In Russia, Vehicles Are Expensive But Soldiers Are Cheap—And That’s Why The Battle For Vovchansk Is Becoming An Infantry Massacre

David Axe  |  Jun 18, 2024 |  04:46pm EDT


A pair of Russian BMP fighting vehicles knocked out near Vovchansk.  -  KRIEGSFORSCHER CAPTURE

Five weeks into Russia’s northern offensive in Ukraine, the battlefield in and around Vovchansk—the locus of the fighting just south of the Russia-Ukraine border—has become extremely dangerous for Russian armored vehicles.

So Russian infantry march into battle on foot—and die in huge numbers as Ukrainian drones and artillery take aim.

It’s not for no reason that the Russian casualty rate—both wounded and killed—increased this spring and summer. Total casualties may now exceed half a million. Ukraine’s own casualties are much lower.

Perversely, this bloodbath doesn’t portend an imminent end to the wider war. The Kremlin recruits, and rushes through cursory training, around 30,000 fresh troops every month—just enough to make good monthly losses.

So even as Russians die in shocking numbers in Vovchansk and other contested towns, the Russian army continues to replenish existing units and even form new ones. “They are preparing new forces for future advances,” explained Kriegsforscher, a Ukrainian marine corps drone operator supporting the Ukrainian 82nd Air Assault Brigade fighting in Vovchansk.

Vovchansk was the first big target of Russia’s northern offensive, which kicked off on May 10 with simultaneous attacks in several places along Ukraine’s northern border with Russia. But the Russian northern grouping of forces, tens of thousands of soldiers strong, never got past the industrial town four miles south of the border.  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/06/18/in-russia-vehicles-are-expensive-but-soldiers-are-cheap-and-thats-why-the-battle-for-vovchansk-is-becoming-an-infantry-massacre/

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« Reply #3227 on: June 18, 2024, 11:51:44 pm »
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« Reply #3228 on: June 18, 2024, 11:58:58 pm »
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« Reply #3229 on: June 18, 2024, 11:59:58 pm »
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« Reply #3230 on: June 19, 2024, 12:04:46 am »
Ukrainian Counterattacks Push Back Russians in Donbas and Kharkiv Regions, ISW Reports

OLGA GORDIIENKO  |  Jun 18, 2024  |  15:06

A report by the American Institute for the Study of War (ISW) indicates that Ukrainian counterattacks along the front are forcing Russia to transfer units from the Donetsk region to the Kharkiv region.

The ISW report cites Russian sources publishing geolocation footage supposedly showing the repelling of a Ukrainian counterattack northwest of Hlybokaye. Additionally, Russian military correspondents claim Ukrainian troops launched mechanized counteroffensives near Hlybokaye and from the direction of Tykhyi and the Aggregate plant area near Vovchansk (Northeast of Kharkiv).

Despite these defensive actions, the report further details ongoing Russian offensive operations north of Kharkiv in the Liptsov area and Northeast of Kharkiv near the center of Vovchansk and Vovchansk Khutors.

Additionally, on June 17, the spokesman of the Operational-Tactical Group of Kharkiv, Yurii Povkh, said that the Russian troops are moving parts of the 155th Separate Marine Infantry Brigade and the 18th Motorized Rifle Division to the Lyptsivsk direction to replace units that have completely lost their combat capability. It is noted that the Russians also reported similar actions of units of the 155th separate marine infantry brigade near Vovchansk.

Povkh also stated that since June 12-13, the Russians gathered additional military units for support in the Vovchansk direction, in particular, they called up the reserves of the 138th separate motorized rifle brigade. “The appearance of these elements in the Vovchansk area suggests a possible redeployment from the Donetsk direction to the Kharkiv direction to strengthen the Russian group in the Kharkiv region,” according to the statement.  .  .

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« Reply #3231 on: June 19, 2024, 12:10:27 am »
'We could not recover from what we saw': Photos of Ukrainian soldiers after captivity posted online

KATERYNA SHKARLAT  |  JUNE 17, 2024 - 23:55

Photographers Kostyantyn and Vlada Liberov published photos of Ukrainian soldiers who returned from Russian captivity, according to the photographers' post on Instagram.

What Ukrainian soldiers look like after captivity
"These photos are of Ukrainian soldiers after Russian captivity. It was our most difficult shoot in the last six months. After meeting and talking with the guys, we could not recover from what we saw and heard for a week," the photographers wrote.

They noted that they published the footage with the permission of the former prisoners.

"I remember one of them telling me: we have to do everything to make sure this never happens to others again," the Liberovs add.

Some of these photos will be presented in Switzerland at the Peace Summit, where the issue of all-for-all exchanges was raised. The photographers hope that these images will encourage our partners to act decisively.

"We cannot retell what we heard from the guys. But these photos speak for themselves. And this is even though by the time we met them, the guys had gained 10 kg of weight in a week at home. To realize what it is like to lose 40-50 kg of weight (which is how much they lost during their captivity), look at the pictures where the guys show their photos before the captivity," Kostyantyn and Vlada wrote.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C8UDBQrIcdP/

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/we-could-not-recover-from-what-we-saw-photos-1718656446.html
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« Reply #3232 on: June 19, 2024, 12:12:42 am »
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« Reply #3233 on: June 19, 2024, 12:20:37 am »
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How dare Ukraine not surrender to Putin's invasion.
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« Reply #3234 on: June 19, 2024, 10:11:41 am »
So the petroleum products stored at the Rostoc-on-Drone facility were actually bound for the front in southern Kherson, not for export or Russian civilians.

As an aside, this illustrates why Ukraine focuses effort against Russian Black Sea naval and commercial traffic and Crimean ports. With the Kerch Strait Bridge being weight-limited, some supplies for Crimea and southern Kherson are moved by ship.
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« Reply #3235 on: June 19, 2024, 02:17:22 pm »
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Russian Troops Behead a Ukrainian Soldier in Donetsk Region

AMIRA BARKHUSH  |  Jun 18, 2024  |  16:29

Russian forces in the Volnovakha district of Donetsk region have beheaded a Ukrainian soldier, Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin said.

Muslims. I am betting on Muslims.
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« Reply #3236 on: June 19, 2024, 02:21:26 pm »
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« Reply #3237 on: June 19, 2024, 04:51:29 pm »
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Muslims. I am betting on Muslims.



Don't know :shrug: But where the heck is the UN out cry? /s
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« Reply #3238 on: June 19, 2024, 10:04:40 pm »
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« Reply #3239 on: June 19, 2024, 10:06:58 pm »
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« Reply #3240 on: June 19, 2024, 10:12:55 pm »
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« Reply #3241 on: June 19, 2024, 10:19:31 pm »
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« Reply #3242 on: June 19, 2024, 10:23:59 pm »
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« Reply #3243 on: June 19, 2024, 10:30:14 pm »
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« Reply #3244 on: June 19, 2024, 10:33:10 pm »
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« Reply #3245 on: June 19, 2024, 10:33:50 pm »
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« Reply #3246 on: June 19, 2024, 10:42:14 pm »
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« Reply #3247 on: June 20, 2024, 07:11:22 am »
Ukrainian Drones Struck Russian Oil Facility, Igniting Major Fire, Source Tells RFE/RL

By RFE/RL's Russian Service 6/18/2024

Ukraine's main security and counterintelligence agency was behind an overnight drone attack that ignited a major fire at an oil depot in the southern Russian city of Azov, a reliable source in the Ukrainian security forces told RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service on June 18.

The source said a special operation by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) using multiple drones had ignited powerful fires at the Rostov region facility, which houses oil depots and fuel terminals.

Kyiv generally avoids commenting on such incidents but has increasingly resorted to targeting Russian energy infrastructure, mainly oil installations, with its own drone strikes in order to degrade the Russian military's fuel reserves to beat back a 2-year-old full-scale invasion.

The Ukrainian security source said the SBU would continue efforts to chisel away at economic potential that provides resources that help Russia wage war on Ukraine.

Ukrainian Strikes On Russian Oil Infrastructure

Ukrainian drone attacks have struck Russian refineries, storage depots, and other oil infrastructure in some two dozen locations so far in 2024, causing a drop in the country's refining output.

More: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-fire-oil-depot-azov-drone-attack/32997491.html
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« Reply #3248 on: June 20, 2024, 11:23:25 am »
Quote from: Elderberry on June 20, 2024, 07:11:22 am
Ukrainian Drones Struck Russian Oil Facility, Igniting Major Fire, Source Tells RFE/RL

By RFE/RL's Russian Service 6/18/2024

Ukraine's main security and counterintelligence agency was behind an overnight drone attack that ignited a major fire at an oil depot in the southern Russian city of Azov, a reliable source in the Ukrainian security forces told RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service on June 18.

The source said a special operation by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) using multiple drones had ignited powerful fires at the Rostov region facility, which houses oil depots and fuel terminals.

Kyiv generally avoids commenting on such incidents but has increasingly resorted to targeting Russian energy infrastructure, mainly oil installations, with its own drone strikes in order to degrade the Russian military's fuel reserves to beat back a 2-year-old full-scale invasion.

The Ukrainian security source said the SBU would continue efforts to chisel away at economic potential that provides resources that help Russia wage war on Ukraine.

Ukrainian Strikes On Russian Oil Infrastructure

Ukrainian drone attacks have struck Russian refineries, storage depots, and other oil infrastructure in some two dozen locations so far in 2024, causing a drop in the country's refining output.

More: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-fire-oil-depot-azov-drone-attack/32997491.html


The more Ukraine does this, the more it hurts Russia (and in some cases China) in the long term.
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« Reply #3249 on: June 20, 2024, 11:25:53 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on June 20, 2024, 11:23:25 am

The more Ukraine does this, the more it hurts Russia (and in some cases China) in the long term.

Surprised the Biden admin is allowing this.  A few more of these will precipitate a oil price spike, and not something Biden needs right now.
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