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« Reply #3125 on: June 13, 2024, 09:40:58 pm »
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« Reply #3126 on: June 13, 2024, 09:45:18 pm »
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« Reply #3127 on: June 13, 2024, 09:50:25 pm »
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« Reply #3128 on: June 13, 2024, 09:56:22 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3129 on: June 13, 2024, 09:58:17 pm »
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« Reply #3130 on: June 13, 2024, 10:00:39 pm »
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« Reply #3131 on: June 13, 2024, 10:03:35 pm »
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« Reply #3132 on: June 13, 2024, 10:06:05 pm »
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« Reply #3133 on: June 13, 2024, 10:10:34 pm »
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« Reply #3134 on: June 13, 2024, 10:15:16 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3135 on: June 13, 2024, 10:20:10 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3136 on: June 13, 2024, 10:21:47 pm »
I hate liars.  Especially liars that defend bullies and war criminals.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3137 on: June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm »
When I hear we are spending HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF $$$ defending the democracy of Ukraine, I want to toss my cookies.

The endless lies about Ukraine are unbelievable.  Ukraine, there is nothing democratic about it.  It is a dictatorship!  PERIOD!!!!!!!

And if Russia seized Ukraine, it does not mean that Poland is next.  Poland is a member of NATO, as are the Baltic states.  HUGE DIFFERENCE.  If the NATO TREATY means anything, Russia invading any of them means war with all of them.  Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO.  Ukraine was NEVER and ally of the USA.  NEVER!!!

We need to end the mentality that every dead Russian is one less Russian the USA and its allies will need to contend with.  The Cold War is over, and only our military industrial complex wishes to continue that war, and make it a hot war.

We need to be smarter before we destroy the US Dollar completely!!!!!!
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3138 on: June 13, 2024, 10:49:12 pm »
Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm

The endless lies about Ukraine are unbelievable.  Ukraine, there is nothing democratic about it.  It is a dictatorship!  PERIOD!!!!!!!
Not true.

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And if Russia seized Ukraine, it does not mean that Poland is next.

The Russians say otherwise.

Top Putin Ally Says He ‘Will Not Hide’ Intention to Invade Poland Anymore

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-putin-ally-ramzan-kadyrov-says-he-will-not-hide-intention-to-invade-poland-anymore

Putin Ally Threatens to 'Destroy' Poland: 'We Won't Even Think Twice'

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-threatens-destroy-poland-1872956

Putin ally warns 'enemy' Poland: you risk losing your statehood

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-ally-warns-enemy-poland-you-risk-losing-your-statehood-2023-11-02/

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Ukraine was NEVER and ally of the USA.  NEVER!!!

Inaccurate.

Ukrainians complete mission in Iraq

https://www.army.mil/article/15056/ukrainians_complete_mission_in_iraq

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More than 5,000 Ukrainian troops have served in Iraq during Ukraine's five years of service in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

"Enduring peace, stability and prosperity are common values to fight for in the modern world. Your mission in Iraq has been successfully completed," said Viktor Nedopas, Charge d'Affairs of the Ukrainian Embassy in Iraq.

The Ukrainians served as the third-largest Coalition forces contingent in Iraq, with about 1,700 soldiers from 2003-2005.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3139 on: June 13, 2024, 11:16:29 pm »
Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
When I hear we are spending HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF $$$ defending the democracy of Ukraine, I want to toss my cookies.

@jafo2010

When I see we are spending HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF $$$ channeling graft through the State Dept, the Defense Dept, and USAid while falsely claiming we're defending Ukraine, I want to toss my cookies


Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
The endless lies about Ukraine are unbelievable.  Ukraine, there is nothing democratic about it.  It is a dictatorship!  PERIOD!!!!!!!

Not even remotely true.


Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
And if Russia seized Ukraine, it does not mean that Poland is next.

Of course not.  Poland will kick Russia's ass just like they did in 1920.  A bully like Russia wouldn't dare attack Poland.  Besides, their current racist crusade is focused on ridding the world of criminal drug-addict Ukrainians.  It would take a decade or more of propaganda to steer that racist schtick against the Poles.


Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO.  Ukraine was NEVER and ally of the USA.  NEVER!!!

This isn't about Ukraine.  It is about Russia.  It's no different from Serbia's war of "ethnic cleansing" (aka genocide) against the Croats.  Serbia wanted their land, but didn't want them.  So they took the land and killed the Croats living there.  Russia is doing the same thing in Ukraine.

You can choose not to pick a side.  That is your prerogative.  But I can't live that way.  I have a conscience.  There is good and bad in this world.  Right and wrong.  And in this theater, Russia is both bad and wrong.  This land belongs to Ukraine, and they have every right to live there in peace.  And Russia is dead wrong to continue this war.


Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
We need to end the mentality that every dead Russian is one less Russian the USA and its allies will need to contend with.

I would argue that Russia needs to end the mentality that every dead Ukrainian is one less Ukrainian who can make a claim to the land they are trying to steal.  Besides, if Russia really cared about dead and dying Russians, then they would end their war today and high-tail their way out of Ukraine ASAP.


Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
The Cold War is over, and only our military industrial complex wishes to continue that war, and make it a hot war.

I'm not seeing that.  We're in no position to make it a hot war.  And there is no way here for the industrial military complex to profit here since the DoD isn't replacing any of the equipment it is giving away.


Quote from: jafo2010 on June 13, 2024, 10:31:09 pm
We need to be smarter before we destroy the US Dollar completely!!!!!!

The pittance spent on weapons for Ukraine pales in comparison to the amount spent on other crap.  We are currently running an annual deficit of $2 trillion.  Every bit of that deficit is funded by expanding the money supply which devalues the dollar.  The war in Ukraine isn't destroying the dollar.  Far from it.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3140 on: June 13, 2024, 11:44:03 pm »
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« Reply #3141 on: June 13, 2024, 11:46:26 pm »
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« Reply #3142 on: June 13, 2024, 11:53:14 pm »
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« Reply #3143 on: June 13, 2024, 11:56:37 pm »
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« Reply #3144 on: June 13, 2024, 11:59:58 pm »
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« Reply #3145 on: June 14, 2024, 12:05:25 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3146 on: June 14, 2024, 12:07:16 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3147 on: June 14, 2024, 12:08:18 am »
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That ten year agreement is not worth the paper it is printed on. 

Agree.  This one has all the legal staying power of an Executive Order.

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« Reply #3148 on: June 14, 2024, 09:35:18 am »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3149 on: June 14, 2024, 10:23:17 am »
Quote from: Bigun on June 14, 2024, 09:35:18 am
Truth spoken here!


No argument here.  The way the Biden regime is 'supporting' this war is a travesty.  There is no end plan.  There is no consideration of victory.  Only some Robert McNamara-esque mindset of continuing this war in perpetuity until there are no Ukrainians left.

A path to victory for Ukraine does exist here.  But Biden isn't interested.
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