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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3100 on: June 12, 2024, 05:21:16 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 12, 2024, 04:01:01 pm
"Occupied Crimea"

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It is occupied. But Russo-Philes say it isn't because it's all Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3101 on: June 12, 2024, 09:16:52 pm »
Armenia to leave Russia-led security bloc, says PM

Andrew Osborn  |  June 12, 2024  |  3:05 PM EDT

June 12 (Reuters) - Armenia will leave a Russia-led security bloc, Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan confirmed on Wednesday for the first time, accusing members of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation of having planned a war against his country with Azerbaijan.

Pashinyan, who has tried to cultivate closer ties with the United States and European Union, said in March that Armenia, traditionally a close Russian ally, would leave the CSTO unless the security bloc detailed its commitment to uphold his country's security in a satisfactory way.

Pashinyan's comments to parliamentarians - reported by the Armenpress news agency - suggest he feels he has not received such a commitment and is resolved to quit the CSTO.

"We will leave. We will decide when to exit... Don't worry, we won't return," said Pashinyan, an ex-journalist who came to power in 2018 on the back of street protests that swept away Russia-friendly politicians.

The CSTO, headquartered in Moscow, also includes Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Belarus. It had said it was waiting for Yerevan to clarify its stance.  .  .

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/armenia-leave-russia-led-security-bloc-says-pm-2024-06-12/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3102 on: June 12, 2024, 09:17:59 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3103 on: June 12, 2024, 09:19:22 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3104 on: June 12, 2024, 09:20:05 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3105 on: June 12, 2024, 09:21:04 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3106 on: June 12, 2024, 09:28:52 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3107 on: June 12, 2024, 09:30:14 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3108 on: June 12, 2024, 09:35:11 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3109 on: June 12, 2024, 09:43:33 pm »
Ukrainian ATACMS Rockets Are Blowing Up Russia’s Best S-400 Air Defenses As Fast As The S-400s Can Deploy To Crimea

David Axe  |  Jun 12, 2024  |  03:39pm EDT


A Russian S-400 launcher on parade in 2012.  VYACHESLAV ARGENBERG/HTTP://WWW.VASCOPLANET.COM PHOTO

In mid-May, the Ukrainian army launched a powerful barrage of 10 American-made Army Tactical Missile System rockets at a Russian base in Belbek outside Sevastopol in occupied Crimea.

The raid inflicted as much damage as Ukrainian planners could have realistically hoped for. Photos from the ground confirmed the two-ton ATACMS, each scattering hundreds of grenade-sized bomblets, destroyed a radar and two launchers from an S-400 air-defense battery. There were reports the rockets also damaged four warplanes at a nearby military airfield.

Belbek and Sevastopol are important bases for the Russian air force and what remains of the Russian navy’s Black Sea Fleet, so it should come as no surprise that the Russians promptly replaced the wrecked components of the S-400, whose missiles range as far as 250 miles.

And like the punchline of an explosive joke, the Ukrainians bombarded the Belbek S-400 battery again on Tuesday.

Unspecified munitions—likely the same 190-mile-range M39A1 ATACMS that hit Belbek in May—rained down on the Belbek S-400 as well as a two other nearby air-defenses batteries: another S-400 as well as a shorter-ranged S-300.

“At least 10 ATACMS missiles were used in the strike,” the Ukrainian Center for Defense Strategies reported, “with the Russian air-defense system failing to intercept any of them.”

Two radars were destroyed, the Ukrainian defense ministry claimed—one each from an S-300 and S-400 battery. “Regarding the third radar, information is being clarified,” the ministry added. “The detonation of munitions was recorded in all three areas where the anti-aircraft missile systems were stationed.”

Belbek is becoming an attrition trap for the Russian air force’s best air-defense system. The Ukrainians hit fresh missile batteries roughly as fast as they can deploy.  .  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/06/12/ukrainian-atacms-rockets-are-blowing-up-russias-best-s-400-air-defenses-as-fast-as-the-s-400s-can-deploy-to-crimea/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3110 on: June 12, 2024, 10:43:06 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3111 on: June 12, 2024, 10:45:38 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3112 on: June 12, 2024, 11:01:30 pm »
S-500 missile system

Operational history
The first S-500 prototype went on combat duty in Moscow on 13 October 2021.   However, it did not yet meet the full set of requirements specified by its operator, the 1st Special Purpose Air and Missile Defense Army.

Design
The S-500 is designed for intercepting and destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as hypersonic cruise missiles and aircraft.  With a planned range of 600 km (370 mi) for anti-ballistic missile (ABM) and 500 km (310 mi) for air defense, the S-500 was envisaged to be able to detect and simultaneously engage up to 10 ballistic hypersonic targets flying at up to a maximum of 7 km/s (4.3 mi/s).  The altitude of a target engaged is claimed to be as high as 180–200 km (110–120 mi).  However, as of 2023, the S-500's ability to intercept hypersonic missiles had not yet been tested.  Other targets it has been announced to defend against include unmanned aerial vehicles, low Earth orbit satellites, space weapons launched from hypersonic aircraft, and hypersonic orbital platforms.  It is to have a response time of less than 4 seconds (compared to the S-400's of less than 10)

Components
The S-500 consists of:
  • 77P6 launch vehicle, based on the BAZ-69096 10x10 truck
  • 55K6MA and 85Zh6-2 command posts, based on BAZ-69092-12 6x6
  • 91N6A(M) acquisition and battle management radar, a modification of the 91N6 (Big Bird) towed by the BAZ-6403.01 8x8 tractor
  • 96L6-TsP acquisition radar, an upgraded version of the 96L6 (Cheese Board) on BAZ-69096 10x10
  • 76T6 multimode engagement radar on BAZ-6909-022 8x8
  • 77T6 ABM engagement radar on BAZ-69096 10x10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-500_missile_system
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3113 on: June 12, 2024, 11:08:39 pm »
Russia's new Defense Minister, Andrey Belousov - the one who will soon die an accidental death for jeopardizing (and losing) Russia's only S-500 system and blowing all future S-500 export sales:

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3114 on: June 13, 2024, 12:49:56 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 12, 2024, 05:21:16 pm
It is occupied. But Russo-Philes say it isn't because it's all Russia.

I realize this probably is facts-don't-matter territory, but:

Crimean Tatars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars

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Crimean Tatars (Crimean Tatar: qırımtatarlar, къырымтатарлар) or Crimeans (Crimean Tatar: qırımlılar, къырымлылар) are a Turkic ethnic group and nation native to Crimea. The formation and ethnogenesis of Crimean Tatars occurred during the 13th–17th centuries, uniting Cumans, who appeared in Crimea in the 10th century, with other peoples who had inhabited Crimea since ancient times and gradually underwent Tatarization, including Ukrainian Greeks, Italians, Ottoman Turks, Goths, Sarmatians and many others.[9] Despite the popular misconception, Crimean Tatars are not a diaspora of or subgroup of the Volga Tatars.

Crimean Tatars constituted the majority of Crimea's population from the time of ethnogenesis until the mid-19th century, and the largest ethnic population until the end of the 19th century.[10][11] Russia attempted to purge Crimean Tatars through a combination of physical violence, intimidation, forced resettlement, and legalized forms of discrimination between 1783 and 1900. Between Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 1783 and 1800, somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 Crimean Tatars emigrated. However, this did not result in the complete eradication of Crimean Tatar cultural elements (at least not under the Romanov dynasty; however, under the Soviets, the Crimean Tatars were almost completely driven from the Crimean peninsula).[12]

Almost immediately after retaking of Crimea from Axis forces, in May 1944, the USSR State Defense Committee ordered the deportation of all of the Crimean Tatars from Crimea, including the families of Crimean Tatars who had served in the Soviet Army. The deportees were transported in trains and boxcars to Central Asia, primarily to Uzbekistan. The Crimean Tatars lost 18 - 46 percent of their population as a result of the deportations.[13] Starting in 1967, a few were allowed to return and in 1989 the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union condemned the removal of Crimean Tatars from their motherland as inhumane and lawless, but only a tiny percent were able to return before the full right of return became policy in 1989.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3115 on: June 13, 2024, 01:48:22 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3116 on: June 13, 2024, 03:43:14 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3117 on: June 13, 2024, 08:59:25 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 12, 2024, 05:21:16 pm
It is occupied. But Russo-Philes say it isn't because it's all Russia.

Nothing in Eastern Europe is easy or black and white @Cyber Liberty

Crimea was part of Russia from 1783 until Khrushchev unilaterally gave it to Ukraine in 1954.  The people of Crimea have voted for independence from Ukraine and the majority consider themselves Russian.   Rather than occupiers, the majority considered Russia a protector and ally in their efforts to break free of Kiev.

Face value judgements rarely hold up in Eastern Europe. :shrug:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3118 on: June 13, 2024, 09:25:15 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 13, 2024, 08:59:25 pm
The people of Crimea have voted for independence from Ukraine

A lie.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3119 on: June 13, 2024, 09:27:38 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 13, 2024, 08:59:25 pm
Rather than occupiers, the majority considered Russia a protector and ally

"Protector and ally"

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3120 on: June 13, 2024, 09:29:13 pm »
"Protector and ally"

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3121 on: June 13, 2024, 09:30:56 pm »
"Protector and ally"

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3122 on: June 13, 2024, 09:32:19 pm »
"Protector and ally"

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3123 on: June 13, 2024, 09:32:51 pm »
That ten year agreement is not worth the paper it is printed on.  Since when does the USA honor any agreement?  Ask the American Indians about how we honor agreements.

$2 trillion deficit each year and growing, and who in their right mind believes we can continue to supply Ukraine for ten more years?  Get real!!!  This nonsense of destroying the US Dollar MUST END.

Republicans need to purge the RINO POSs holding elected office, and return to being a conservative entity, otherwise this Unity Party that is running things will absolutely destroy the country.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #3124 on: June 13, 2024, 09:34:16 pm »
"Protector and ally"

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