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« Reply #1325 on: November 13, 2022, 05:48:00 pm »
I'm fully cognizant of Trump's personality flaws @DB my question to @corbe and now you remains.

What could Trump could have done solely on his own to fix the illegal ballots problem in some states?

Considering the Constitution calls for the States to follow the election rules and laws set forth by the several States' legislatures, Trump could have only called for cleaning up that political landscape (by the states themselves), and appointed judges who would enforce the Constitutional constraints that require any changes to come from the legislature, and not some edict by an appointee or executive branch flunky within the State Government. Where the law is breaking down is that changes are made in violation of the Constitution, yet no one is enforcing the Constitution, up to and including SCOTUS in 2020.
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« Reply #1326 on: November 13, 2022, 05:49:17 pm »
His signature line from his "reality" TV show was "You're fired!"

Yet he never fired Fauci.
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« Reply #1327 on: November 13, 2022, 05:53:25 pm »
Considering the Constitution calls for the States to follow the election rules and laws set forth by the several States' legislatures, Trump could have only called for cleaning up that political landscape (by the states themselves), and appointed judges who would enforce the Constitutional constraints that require any changes to come from the legislature, and not some edict by an appointee or executive branch flunky within the State Government. Where the law is breaking down is that changes are made in violation of the Constitution, yet no one is enforcing the Constitution, up to and including SCOTUS in 2020.

:yowsa: That is ALL 100% correct @Smokin Joe what was left of this once great republic was lost on December 11, 2020 and all the crying and teeth gnashing currently going on is purely academic. The USA as we have known it is dead as a post!
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« Reply #1328 on: November 13, 2022, 05:55:01 pm »
No.  Currently she is in 2nd place behind Tshibaka.  But now Democrat Chesbro and Republican Kelly voters get to choose which of the two they prefer.  That's about 12.4% of the total vote.

There's a gap of about 3000 votes between Tshibaka and Murkowski.  Tshibaka would need at least 32% of those Democrat voters to win.  But seeing how Murkowski endorsed the Democrat candidate in the House race, i suspect all the Dems will choose her over Tshibaka.



Thanks, @Hoodat . Although I don't know anything about Tshibaka...I was hoping Murkowski would be able to stay home for a while. I must have read incorrectly.

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« Reply #1329 on: November 13, 2022, 05:55:57 pm »
Yet he never fired Fauci.

He would have been impeached and removed from office had he done that IMHO. He was walking a tightrope.
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« Reply #1330 on: November 13, 2022, 06:00:37 pm »
RCP has called OR-5 for the GOP....  But no one else has.  in my analysis I thought this would break "D". If this is a true call, then number realigns to 219-216 GOP. 

I wonder who runs their electoral desk.  So...too early to celebrate yet, on that seat, but at least one tad of good news to finally get us off that 211 number we have been stuck on for 3 days.
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« Reply #1331 on: November 13, 2022, 06:08:56 pm »


Thanks, @Hoodat . Although I don't know anything about Tshibaka...I was hoping Murkowski would be able to stay home for a while. I must have read incorrectly.

Tshibaka is one of us.

It is difficult to make projections since 20% of the vote is still out.  But this is what we have so far:

Kelly Tshibaka (R)
94,138
44.2%

Lisa Murkowski* (R)
91,205
42.8%

Patricia Chesbro (D)
20,265
9.5%

Buzz Kelley (R)
6,244
2.9%



Let's assume that all of Buzz Kelley's voters are anti-Murkowski and choose Tshibaka as second choice.  Then we have:

Kelly Tshibaka (R)
100,382

Lisa Murkowski* (R)
91,205

Patricia Chesbro (D)
20,265



Murkowski would then need 73% of Chesbro voters to have chosen her as second choice over Tshibaka to win.  The likelihood of that happening is high.

These rules were put in place for one reason and one reason only - to help get Murkowski re-elected.  She has never won a majority of Alaska's vote in any Senate race she has ever run.  But Mitch McConnell likes her so much that he openly violated GOP Party rules to fund her campaign.
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« Reply #1332 on: November 13, 2022, 06:09:17 pm »
…yet many on our side are still casting blame at Trump for the failed house and senate seats.

Which is true even in the broadest sense.

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If we actually had free and fair elections in this country, a radical democrat agenda wouldn’t stand a chance at the ballot box.  We are still a largely conservative country and deserve conservative representatives, but will probably never get it until we fix the broken electoral system.


Which will never, ever happen with a populist movement (Hence Tumpy to blame even in the broadest sense.). The only thing that will fix it is a swelling, ground-up, grassroots movement. For that you need a rank and file, and a long term agenda... Both of which are utterly absent and impossible in populist movements.

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« Reply #1333 on: November 13, 2022, 06:15:05 pm »
Tshibaka is one of us.


These rules were put in place for one reason and one reason only - to help get Murkowski re-elected.  She has never won a majority of Alaska's vote in any Senate race she has ever run.  But Mitch McConnell likes her so much that he openly violated GOP Party rules to fund her campaign.

I've never bothered to try learn AK's stupid electoral system, but from your vantage point, and all this double/triple ranking/runoff  garbage, does Tshibaka win?
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« Reply #1334 on: November 13, 2022, 06:15:25 pm »
He would have been impeached and removed from office had he done that IMHO. He was walking a tightrope.

I strongly disagree.  Impeached?  So what.  Removed from office?  Not a chance.
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« Reply #1335 on: November 13, 2022, 06:16:35 pm »
I've never bothered to try AK's stupid electoral system, but from your vantage point, and all this double/triple ranking/runoff  garbage, does Tshibaka win?

If more than 73% of Dems ranked Murkowski over Tshibaka, then no.
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« Reply #1336 on: November 13, 2022, 06:18:06 pm »
I strongly disagree.  Impeached?  So what.  Removed from office?  Not a chance.

I guess we'll never know but I think you are wrong. That is the one thing that would have done it. @Hoodat
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« Reply #1337 on: November 13, 2022, 06:18:29 pm »
On the flip side, if all the Begich voters chose Palin as their second choice, she wins.
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« Reply #1338 on: November 13, 2022, 06:20:40 pm »
If more than 73% of Dems ranked Murkowski over Tshibaka, then no.

That is insane.  Running a senate campain like a sports MVP award.  Sheesh
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« Reply #1339 on: November 13, 2022, 06:27:49 pm »
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« Reply #1341 on: November 13, 2022, 06:32:27 pm »
   IMHO, He can't f*k it up any worse than it will more than likely be.
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« Reply #1342 on: November 13, 2022, 06:32:56 pm »
He would have been impeached and removed from office had he done that IMHO. He was walking a tightrope.

Exactly Bigun  And Mike Pence would have been the star witness for the prosecution.  We know this because Pence refused to do anything about Fauci each time Trump asked.

Remember:  Trump appointed Pence the head of the COVID commission,  Pence brought in Fauci (and Birx) and both reported directly to him.

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« Reply #1343 on: November 13, 2022, 06:39:40 pm »
Exactly Bigun  And Mike Pence would have been the star witness for the prosecution.  We know this because Pence refused to do anything about Fauci each time Trump asked.

Remember:  Trump appointed Pence the head of the COVID commission,  Pence brought in Fauci (and Birx) and both reported directly to him.

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« Reply #1344 on: November 13, 2022, 06:42:34 pm »
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« Reply #1345 on: November 13, 2022, 07:40:33 pm »
Here's Where the House Race Stands With Yet Another GOP Flip
By Nick Arama | 12:30 PM on November 13, 2022

It has seemed that they’re slow-walking the calls for the outstanding races in the House, even when some of them are separated by more than a couple of points. It’s five days after the election and we still don’t know the results for control of the House. I last updated this two days ago. But if there’s anything that needs to be addressed going forward, it’s this concept being pushed that it’s somehow normal to take “days” or even “weeks” to get to a result in the election.

We now have another official call from Decision Desk in the OR-5 race. Republican Lori Chavez-DeRemer defeats Democrat Jamie McLeod-Skinner, 51.4 to 48.86. That’s another Republican flip for the House.


https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1591818922784952322

According to RealClearPolitics, the current numbers are Republicans, 212 to Democrats, 204. Republicans need 218 for the majority.

These are the races that are still out there to be called. Below, I note if the race has already been called by Decision Desk, it lists the district and then whether the Republican (R) or Democrat (D) is currently leading.

House Races

Alaska
1 D

Arizona
1 D
6 R Ciscomani 51-49 (called by Decision Desk)

California
3 R
9 D
13 R
21 D
22 R
26 D
27 R
34 D
41 R
45 R
47 D
49 D

Colorado
3 R

Maine
2 D

New Mexico
2 D

NY
22 R

OR
6 D

That means that there are still 20 to be decided, with nine of those where the Republicans are leading. Assuming they held all those leads, Republicans would have 221. But for control, they need just six of them.
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« Reply #1346 on: November 13, 2022, 07:54:54 pm »
Here's Where the House Race Stands With Yet Another GOP Flip
By Nick Arama | 12:30 PM on November 13, 2022

It has seemed that they’re slow-walking the calls for the outstanding races in the House, even when some of them are separated by more than a couple of points. It’s five days after the election and we still don’t know the results for control of the House. I last updated this two days ago. But if there’s anything that needs to be addressed going forward, it’s this concept being pushed that it’s somehow normal to take “days” or even “weeks” to get to a result in the election.

We now have another official call from Decision Desk in the OR-5 race. Republican Lori Chavez-DeRemer defeats Democrat Jamie McLeod-Skinner, 51.4 to 48.86. That’s another Republican flip for the House.


https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1591818922784952322

According to RealClearPolitics, the current numbers are Republicans, 212 to Democrats, 204. Republicans need 218 for the majority.

These are the races that are still out there to be called. Below, I note if the race has already been called by Decision Desk, it lists the district and then whether the Republican (R) or Democrat (D) is currently leading.

House Races

Alaska
1 D

Arizona
1 D
6 R Ciscomani 51-49 (called by Decision Desk)

California
3 R
9 D
13 R
21 D
22 R
26 D
27 R
34 D
41 R
45 R
47 D
49 D

Colorado
3 R

Maine
2 D

New Mexico
2 D

NY
22 R

OR
6 D

That means that there are still 20 to be decided, with nine of those where the Republicans are leading. Assuming they held all those leads, Republicans would have 221. But for control, they need just six of them.

That's a +2 from my earlier projection, making it now likely 220- 215.  I am feeling a little better this afternoon about the GOP getting the house.
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« Reply #1348 on: November 13, 2022, 08:41:16 pm »
OK. If you say so @DB but I think your never Trump bias is getting involved with your thought processes.

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