(POLL #2) VOTE! IF TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE WILL YOU VOTE FOR HIM?

[flowers]

Flowers, proof of what?  I expressed an opinion and asked Lert to correct me if was wrong.  Looks like he confirmed what I said.

You used the wrong attack method on this one.

What? How was that a attack on you? @Sanguine

[flowers]

@Sanguine please let me know how that question was a attack on you. I really want to know.

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine please let me know how that question was a attack on you. I really want to know.

Remember what I posted: 

I think Lert came from FR; he can correct me if wrong.

And, he got called on his spamming and agreed to quit.

Lert promptly confirmed my statements.

So, why did I take it as an attack?

Because instead of just taking my opinion for what it was, you asked me for links to "prove" my opinion.  I try to make sure all of my opinions are backed by facts, so I actually knew what I was talking about before I posted it.

And, because A+Bert's identity or origin is not a secret.  There were prior posts by other people.  And, you don't miss much.

If you were asking because you were genuinely curious as to Lert's information and had missed all of the prior comments and merely wanted to read more about him, I stand corrected.  But, provide proof, please.   

[flowers]

If you were asking because you were genuinely curious as to Lert's information and had missed all of the prior comments and merely wanted to read more about him, I stand corrected.  But, provide proof, please.   

That is the only reason I asked you and A-Lert about it. How can I provide proof on me genuinely wanting to know about that?  If Thank you for responding to my ping. @Sanguine

[Sanguine]

That is the only reason I asked you and A-Lert about it. How can I provide proof on me genuinely wanting to know about that?  If Thank you for responding to my ping. @Sanguine

Exactly!  It's hard to present proof of something like that.

OK, Flowers, I can accept that.  It just came across wrong. 

(And, I shouldn't let agitators pull my chain!)

[flowers]

Exactly!  It's hard to present proof of something like that.

OK, Flowers, I can accept that.  It just came across wrong. 

(And, I shouldn't let agitators pull my chain!)

[Oceander]

For the record, I will not vote for Trump.

[A-Lert]

I believe Sanguine said he/she put me on ignore. I've never understood why, if you put someone on ignore, you continue posting about him/her. It seems sleazy to me.

[Free Vulcan]

Answer is still no.

[Bill Cipher]

Still #NeverTrump


Good luck with that general election.  Better start stocking up on KY for Jan. 20th, when y'all will have to pledge allegiance to president Clinton or President Sanders. 

In a way, since it has to be one of those two, better Sanders because it should be marginally easier to contain and repair the inevitable damage. 

[catfish1957]

For the record, I will not vote for Trump.

Yep, let the 3rd Party vetting begin!!!!!!!

[wolfcreek]

I posted this elsewhere so, if it seems like I'm repeating myself.....

 So the alternative is to continue using the juvenile Michelle Obama hashtags? It's time for people on the Right to put aside their differences, their vanity and whatever else is holding them back and unite to defeat that Commie BITCH.

If she ends up winning because any of you decided to sit on their thumbs this fall, I don't want to hear a word of complaining about the direction of the country.

[wolfcreek]

By the same logic, if you vote for Trump, you have no right to complain about anything he does because you helped elect him, right?

I have a question.  Did you vote for George Bush?  If so, then -according to your logic - you had no right to object to or complain about No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the "ownership society" pushing home ownership on people who couldn't afford it, etc. etc.

In sum, it is not our fault that the only two choices on the ballot are Trump and Hillary, both of whom are very likely to do things in office with which we strongly disagree.

Wrong. I will hold whoever wins to the highest standards. Hillary doesn't have any standards.

The next POTUS will likely appoint up to four new Justices. You want Hillary making those choices?

[Bigun]

#never trump!

NO way in hell!

[Oceander]

I posted this elsewhere so, if it seems like I'm repeating myself.....

 So the alternative is to continue using the juvenile Michelle Obama hashtags? It's time for people on the Right to put aside their differences, their vanity and whatever else is holding them back and unite to defeat that Commie BITCH.

If she ends up winning because any of you decided to sit on their thumbs this fall, I don't want to hear a word of complaining about the direction of the country.

Sorry, but the only thing I'm responsible for is my individual vote.  Collective guilt is a liberal thing and you should be ashamed for using that liberal tactic.

If Trump loses because he doesn't get enough votes, the blame lies solely with those who nominated him.  They were warned well in advance that he was unelectable and they chose the nominate him anyway.  That is their fault, not mine. 

[Oceander]

By the same logic, if you vote for Trump, you have no right to complain about anything he does because you helped elect him, right?

I have a question.  Did you vote for George Bush?  If so, then -according to your logic - you had no right to object to or complain about No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the "ownership society" pushing home ownership on people who couldn't afford it, etc. etc.

In sum, it is not our fault that the only two choices on the ballot are Trump and Hillary, both of whom are very likely to do things in office with which we strongly disagree.

True.  And none of them has the right to complain about Chief Justice Roberts and his distinct need to get consensus even if it means going left of center. 

[Sanguine]

I posted this elsewhere so, if it seems like I'm repeating myself.....

 So the alternative is to continue using the juvenile Michelle Obama hashtags? It's time for people on the Right to put aside their differences, their vanity and whatever else is holding them back and unite to defeat that Commie BITCH.

If she ends up winning because any of you decided to sit on their thumbs this fall, I don't want to hear a word of complaining about the direction of the country.

Wrong.  The trump selection pretty much guarantees a hillary election.  We should have united and selected a good candidate.

[Sanguine]

Wrong. I will hold whoever wins to the highest standards. Hillary doesn't have any standards.

The next POTUS will likely appoint up to four new Justices. You want Hillary making those choices?

You will "hold whoever wins to the highest standards"?  Exactly how are you planning on doing that?

[sneakypete]

THIS IS THE 2ND OF TWO POLLS.

AGAIN, AS IN THE LAST ONE, ONLY ONE VOTE FOR MEMBER.

THESE ARE MEMBER ONLY POLLS.

WE MAY OPEN THEM TO GUESTS IN A WEEK.

YOU MAY DISCUSS THIS POLL ON THIS THREAD, AS LONG AS IT STAYS CIVIL

I can't find a button to pick so my vote would be counted,but MY answer is "NO,NO,NO,A THOUSAND TIMES NO!"

[sneakypete]

I would hope convention delegates do not put me in this position to vote against my conservative principles.

Why? Where is the conflict?  You either have principles,or you don't.

[sneakypete]

What I'm curious about is, who will vote for Hillary.

She has a solid lock on the Whymen? vote,the black vote,the NAMBLA vote,the transgender vote,and the Muslim vote.

I am temped to say she also has a solid lock on the prisoner vote,but they are already represented in each of the categories above.

[sneakypete]

I would vote for anyone to keep Clinton from the White House.

You have already proved your desperation by supporting the NYC Dim with orange hair.

[sneakypete]

In the first election in my 40 years of voting, I would write-in a name.  Trump is not only a Liberal - but he is also dangerous.

I couldn't agree more,but I still think he is planning on dropping out late in the election,leaving the alleged Republicans scrambling for a candidate with only a month or so left in the campaign. This guarantees Hillary a win,and it keeps him from being a "loser". After all,you are not a "loser" if you voluntarily drop out because you have been mistreated and lied to,right?

And once again for those who may have missed my earlier posts on this subject,"He will then spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been the president of the US,but I decided I had been mistreated and the job was beneath me,so I dropped out."

Just imagine what he estimates the value of his "trademark" (the Trump name) is now that he is the presumed Republican Candidate for President! He rated it as being worth $ BILLION when he was nobody but the "Bankruptcy King of Queens".

[sneakypete]

If Sanders is the dim candidate it means Hillary is gone. Hopefully being charged, convicted and imprisoned.

Or maybe Santa and the Easter Bunny took her to Candyland for tea?

[sneakypete]

I changed my vote to support Trump if he's the nominee. Frankly I'm tired of the whole Cruz vs. Trump thing.

I still support Cruz over Trump but the level of vitriol aimed at members of the same side is self-destructive IMO.

That being said, Cruz is still the best candidate and I hope he wins in June. But if he doesn't I'll go with Trump.

Thanks! I always find it helpful when people self-describe themselves as a part of the problem.

[sneakypete]

There are no doubt good reasons for others to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils, but those reasons don't work for me.
I'll vote for a Conservative or I'll leave the ballot for that office blank.

YMMV

No,there is no mileage to vary,here. People like you and I did NOT pick the globalist asshat at the top of the ticket,so we are under no moral obligation to vote for him or her to make the sheeple who did vote for them feel better about themselves.

If you want change,you MUST vote for change because when you keep voting for more of the same,more of the same is all you will ever get.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Thanks! I always find it helpful when people self-describe themselves as a part of the problem.

What "problem" exactly?

[sneakypete]

You may vote for whomever you wish, but IMO, you forfeit the right to complain about said person if you refused to vote against them.

Your opinion is wrong. It is people like YOU who have no right to complain when whatever globalist you supported and voted for takes office and acts like the globalist they have been all along.

Or are you making the claim that if the idiot that was an American Nazi or a Kluxxer head robe that ran for president a decade or so ago should have had everyone's support if he had won the primary?

When you knowingly support evil,you have to share in the ownership of that evil.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Your opinion is wrong. It is people like YOU who have no right to complain when whatever globalist you supported and voted for takes office and acts like the globalist they have been all along.

Or are you making the claim that if the idiot that was an American Nazi or a Kluxxer head robe that ran for president a decade or so ago should have had everyone's support if he had won the primary?

When you knowingly support evil,you have to share in the ownership of that evil.

"Globalist" is a conspiracy theory nonsense word spouted by economically ignorant fools, IMO.

[sneakypete]

I'm tired of the "conservative purity test" to be honest. Granted Romney was not a good candidate but the GOP is always waiting for this perfect candidate that really doesn't exist.

No,the GOP always hates and fears any actual conservative that runs for political office,and work hard behind the scenes to torpedo them so they can't get elected.

Asking the GOP to pick a conservative candidate to support is like asking a wolf to pick a rabbit to adopt.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

No,the GOP always hates and fears any actual conservative that runs for political office,and work hard behind the scenes to torpedo them so they can't get elected.

Asking the GOP to pick a conservative candidate to support is like asking a wolf to pick a rabbit to adopt.

No it's just the screaming mimis keep moving the yardstick of what constitutes as a "conservative" to crazier and crazier.

It's basically the "no true scotsman" theory in action.

[Luis Gonzalez]

No it's just the screaming mimis keep moving the yardstick of what constitutes as a "conservative" to crazier and crazier.

It's basically the "no true scotsman" theory in action.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=140249.0

[sneakypete]

Trump  has contributed nearly a million dollars to the Republican party vs. less than a half million to the Democrat party over the last 26 years.

HorseHillary! He is a life-long denizen of NYC and has "donated" untold millions to Dim politicians and city officials (same thing) in the form of under the table "gifts" for things like zoning law changes,health dept "considerations",planning dept permits,etc,etc,etc.

[sneakypete]

I shudder to think that Hillary Clinton should be allowed to select one or more justices of the Supreme Court.  I know the type of a justice she will nominate. 

The same sort of SC Justice that his good pal Bubbette! will pick. After all,they both share "NYC Values".

[sneakypete]

For the record, I will not vote for Trump.

 

[sneakypete]

What "problem" exactly?

A member of the "lesser of two evils" sheeple.

[sneakypete]

"Globalist" is a conspiracy theory nonsense word spouted by economically ignorant fools, IMO.

I can't believe you are actually bragging about being that ignorant. No wonder you are a lesser of two evil group member.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I can't believe you are actually bragging about being that ignorant. No wonder you are a lesser of two evil group member.

I'll put my knowledge of economics up against yours any day, son.

[sneakypete]

I'll put my knowledge of economics up against yours any day, son.

Then again,you think Trump would be a good president,too.

You have all sorts of delusions.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Then again,you think Trump would be a good president,too.

You have all sorts of delusions.

I don't, but you go to war with the army you have right? Any port in a storm, etc. etc.

I'm honestly not sure if I will be able to stomach pulling the lever for Trump at this point. I will know in November.

[wolfcreek]

But you said we don't have the right to complain about Hillary if we don't vote for Donald because we will have "enabled" her win.  But if you vote for Trump, didn't you "enable" his win?  And therefore, he should be immune from criticism as well.

If that isn't the case, then your entire argument that we can't complain about Hillary if we didn't vote for Trump collapses.

 

I use that to get the attention of those who sat out in the past. (And still compain)

You one of those?

[Free Vulcan]

No, I'm not.  This will be the first Presidential election where I haven't voted for the Republican, and I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980.

I can stomach voting for a "moderate" Republican on the grounds that at least he won't do as much damage as a Democrat.  A way to buy time/minimize the damage until I have a chance to vote for someone better.

Given the way Trump conducted his campaign, and what it would signal for the quality of future campaigns, I'm an not sure that there is enough of a difference between what he and Hillary are likely to accomplish to justify condoning what he did with a vote.  It is honestly an absolute embarrassment that a guy like that got the nomination of the Party of Lincoln.

Luckily Iowa allows write-ins, so I'll write in Cruz. Then vote the downticket. My focus is on state level politics now anyway. Our federal goose is cooked.

[sneakypete]

I don't, but you go to war with the army you have right? Any port in a storm, etc. etc.

I'm honestly not sure if I will be able to stomach pulling the lever for Trump at this point. I will know in November.

Well,all I can say is "Good luck to you,and remember that you have to live with your decision,whatever it may be."

[musiclady]

No, I'm not.  This will be the first Presidential election where I haven't voted for the Republican, and I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980.

I can stomach voting for a "moderate" Republican on the grounds that at least he won't do as much damage as a Democrat.  A way to buy time/minimize the damage until I have a chance to vote for someone better.

Given the way Trump conducted his campaign, and what it would signal for the quality of future campaigns, I'm an not sure that there is enough of a difference between what he and Hillary are likely to accomplish to justify condoning what he did with a vote.  It is honestly an absolute embarrassment that a guy like that got the nomination of the Party of Lincoln.

The Party of Lincoln is now officially dead.

Your assessment of the similarity between Trump and Hillary is spot on.  He doesn't deserve the vote of any serious Republican....

Which I'm not sure I'm going to call myself any more.  Trump has killed the Republican party and replaced it with something farther left and without honor.

[musiclady]

It is the fault of the Trumpsters.  They own what happens next.  Don't even give us the "heads I win, tails you lose" argument where you care credited with wins and we are blamed for losses.  No deal.  You own it either way.

AMEN, RATPatrol.  The blame for this disastrous election year lies squarely on the heads of the Trump fan club.

They'll continue to squeal and blame others (they're following their leader in that), but we all know exactly whose fault this catastrophe is.  NOT those of us who tried to sound the alarm.

[Rivergirl]

FRefugees meet ALert. I don't believe you've been introduced.

Antibacterial handwipes will be provided by the management.

I actually left TBR for a while to get the stench of A-lert off .   Just lying in wait for someone to dare dislike his hero, the man with the fake hair, fake tan, and wife with the fake boobs.
Ugh.  Some freepers ought to go home, their cultists are calling.  After all, fake man has changed positions so many times he could write his own Kama sutra.  (sp?)

[musiclady]

I actually left TBR for a while to get the stench of A-lert off .   Just lying in wait for someone to dare dislike his hero, the man with the fake hair, fake tan, and wife with the fake boobs.
Ugh.  Some freepers ought to go home, their cultists are calling.  After all, fake man has changed positions so many times he could write his own Kama sutra.  (sp?)

I've found this helpful when dealing with A-lert (or is that A-Bert??)....

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Well,all I can say is "Good luck to you,and remember that you have to live with your decision,whatever it may be."

Will it really matter what decision I make though? Trump will be r@ped by Hillary. Bent over like a blowup doll.

[sneakypete]

Will it really matter what decision I make though? Trump will be r@ped by Hillary. Bent over like a blowup doll.

I am hoping it will matter to you. You are not responsible for what Hillary or anyone else does. All you can do is make the best decisions you think you can make for yourself and hope they work out,same as the rest of us.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I am hoping it will matter to you. You are not responsible for what Hillary or anyone else does. All you can do is make the best decisions you think you can make for yourself and hope they work out,same as the rest of us.

Oh it matters, but I think Trump will lose, badly, no matter what I do. Even if I could convince everyone I knew to vote for Trump, and I don't want to embarrass myself that way, Trump will still lose very badly in November.