...and there you have it...that's all folks!He says he hasn't seen enough evidence.
He says he hasn't seen enough evidence.
I would ask him what the DOJ has done by way of investigating this election. Has he been looking?
I don't know, I haven't heard.
What is the margin of victory in AZ, 10k votes? In MI, 150k votes? GA - 12k votes? PA, 80k votes? WI, 20k votes?
There's not alot of fraud required to swing things there, I'm not AG but I've heard plenty of circumstantial evidence. I'm not sure how Barr can make such an assertion.
Crooked Hillary lost by less.
And James "Deep State" Comey absolutely killed her with that letter. Late deciders in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania broke heavy for Trump in 2016.
That's tangible election interference right there. Not that Trump complained about it, of course.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
Crooked Hillary lost by less.I’m sure your post makes complete sense to CNN’s audience and others with no capacity for critical thought. Others might consider it a tad sophistic.
And James "Deep State" Comey absolutely killed her with that letter. Late deciders in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania broke heavy for Trump in 2016.
That's tangible election interference right there. Not that Trump complained about it, of course.
...and there you have it...that's all folks!
A scathing indictment of the Justice Department. Because there are random Americans uncovering evidence all across the country that would absolutely change the outcomes of several 2020 elections including the Presidency. The fact that the Justice Department hasn't proves that they are incompetent, worthless, or downright corrupt.
Trump made a habit of claiming the elections were rigged whenever he lost a primary. I remember when he claimed to have evidence that Obama was born abroad. Bottom line, he says a lot of things he can't prove ... and now that he needs people to listen to him, most are tuning him out.Then they should watch the state hearings ongoing now.
...and there you have it...that's all folks!
Then they should watch the state hearings ongoing now.
This has nothing to do with what Trump is saying.
Trump made a habit of claiming the elections were rigged whenever he lost a primary. I remember when he claimed to have evidence that Obama was born abroad. Bottom line, he says a lot of things he can't prove ... and now that he needs people to listen to him, most are tuning him out.
Yup. He's the boy who cried "wolf" one too many times. Only the cultists believe him now.Cultists, that’s funny.
...and there you have it...that's all folks!I agree. That is the end of everything.
Another deep state POS has spoken. Now he and his wife can go back to openly being best buds with Mueller & Co.
I agree. That is the end of everything.
But there is some schadenfreude in knowing that these people have no idea on Earth what they are ushering in.
We will all suffer. But we all know that. They think they will be unaffected. And that makes all the difference to me.
They literally have no idea what they are inviting down on their own heads.
If I have to suffer so that they suffer, it is not anything I would wish for.
But so be it. Alright. Let's go. Let's welcome in President NoBody Idiot who works for the Chinese.
This is going to be one wild ride folks.
IOW, He AND Sessions wouldn't make a pimple on either of these girl's azzes.
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Because Trump, the outsider, had only the GOPe and deep state beltway denizens to choose from and depend upon. He was screwed from the outset. I’m amazed he did as well as he did.
Because Trump, the outsider, had only the GOPe and deep state beltway denizens to choose from and depend upon. He was screwed from the outset. I’m amazed he did as well as he did.
Cultists, that’s funny.
Seems you’ve slipped the chain, JH. What happened to unity? Maybe you should hold off on the usual overt expressions of contempt for a majority chunk of your party until after the GA runoffs.
Biden will be sworn in and it will be back to business as usual at the ole country club. The GOPe is in for a huge surprise when they realize that they are going to be thrown out on their azzes! There aren't enough true conservatives left in the Senate or the House to make a darn bit of difference.
Freedom and the Constitution are worth fighting for and we have an absolute uphill battle; especially since there is no integrity left at the ballot box.
Biden will be sworn in and it will be back to business as usual at the ole country club. The GOPe is in for a huge surprise when they realize that they are going to be thrown out on their azzes! There aren't enough true conservatives left in the Senate or the House to make a darn bit of difference.The GOPe will be fine - they’ll simply slide further left and become the party of the not-so-nucking-futs liberal. The rats, of course will don their Mao jackets and campaign on prosecuting running dog lackey Trump supporters, something both parties can get behind.
Freedom and the Constitution are worth fighting for and we have an absolute uphill battle; especially since there is no integrity left at the ballot box.
I agree..he got advice from other deep staters...Welcoming China to have a seat in the White House is not a 'means' to justify any 'ends'. Taiwan is gone. Israel will be under constant attack, just as a beginning. The China Sea is gone. Japan will face major aggression from China. North Korea will become exponentially stronger. The war(s) in the Middle East will escalated until a near world war, or an actual world war erupts. Shortages, unemployment will skyrocket. Who will buy the products of Hollywood or Amazon when no one has any money? Who will use Twitter and Facebook when nobody can afford internet?
My husband keeps asking me if any of these people have a conscience...I tell him their reasoning is the ends justify the means....
Some might think that speaking the truth is worth the discord.
If just one person can break free of the strange spell trump has people under...
Some might think that speaking the truth is worth the discord.Ah your intent is charitable. Then by all means speak it brother.
If just one person can break free of the strange spell trump has people under...
Ah your intent is charitable. Then by all means speak it brother.
But later when youre home tonight enjoying your six fish sticks and lime jello you might consider the reasons why there are so darn many in your own party seem to disagree with you.
Because Trump, the outsider, had only the GOPe and deep state beltway denizens to choose from and depend upon. He was screwed from the outset. I’m amazed he did as well as he did.
Hey it worked in 12 angry men.
And I'm making liver for dinner. Moms recipe. No dessert
Also, publicly a lot of Republicans will say things that are politically expedient. They are very much worried about crossing Trump and his supporters. Being primaried out is a real threat. They are cowards that are useless to any of us in the end.
I really think there are a lot more Republicans than commonly acknowledged that loathe trump and now that he's lost will discard him like an empty box of fishsticks at Kanye's house.
Hey it worked in 12 angry men.
And I'm making liver for dinner. Moms recipe. No dessert
Also, publicly a lot of Republicans will say things that are politically expedient. They are very much worried about crossing Trump and his supporters. Being primaried out is a real threat. They are cowards that are useless to any of us in the end.
I really think there are a lot more Republicans than commonly acknowledged that loathe trump and now that he's lost will discard him like an empty box of fishsticks at Kanye's house.
I am too @skeeter Beating hellary, was phenomenally tremendous and surprising. But I early on realized, IMHO, how corrupt the GOP really was and to this day I think Trump, in all his Business Acumen, bought a 'Broken Item'. Not unlike The Taj Mahal in NJ, in his haste to become POTUS or Casino King or whatever, somehow it got seriously derailed along the way, not unlike some Threads here.
The events of the last 4 years, other than the Judges McConnell crammed through his Senate I would ask what significant changes have occurred?
Yeah, I’m mesmerized by a stronger military, booming economic growth, exploding job markets and the peeling away of soul-sucking federal regulations on business and industry. *****rollingeyes*****
Yes, Trump did all those things, but he also repulsed enough people to prevent his re -election.Sigh. Trump was popular simply because he tried to deliver what the base has been asking for from the GOPe for decades. What the GOPe promised and never delivered. Trump made the attempt - sometimes succeeding, others times not.
We need Trumpism without the Trump. I wish folks would stop trying to defend the man and his eccentricities and foibles and start advocating just as loudly for those POLICIES which voters showed they clearly still favor.
I still see a bright future for this Republic, and I thank Trump for his blueprint. But the tragedy is that he was fatally flawed.
Hey it worked in 12 angry men.
And I'm making liver for dinner. Moms recipe. No dessert
Also, publicly a lot of Republicans will say things that are politically expedient. They are very much worried about crossing Trump and his supporters. Being primaried out is a real threat. They are cowards that are useless to any of us in the end.
I really think there are a lot more Republicans than commonly acknowledged that loathe trump and now that he's lost will discard him like an empty box of fishsticks at Kanye's house.
Sigh. Trump was popular simply because he tried to deliver what the base has been asking for from the GOPe for decades. What the GOPe promised and never delivered. Trump made the attempt - sometimes succeeding, others times not.
As long as you believe it's a 'cult' thing you'll never get it.
And if you think with Trump out of the way the GOPe will now pursue what you call 'Trumpism' you are irretrievably naive or just plain dishonest.
Try not to feed the troll @skeeter A hungry one will go looking elsewhere for food. happy77
Who the hell let Sinkspur back in the house??
Hey it worked in 12 angry men.
And I'm making liver for dinner. Moms recipe. No dessert
Also, publicly a lot of Republicans will say things that are politically expedient. They are very much worried about crossing Trump and his supporters. Being primaried out is a real threat. They are cowards that are useless to any of us in the end.
I really think there are a lot more Republicans than commonly acknowledged that loathe trump and now that he's lost will discard him like an empty box of fishsticks at Kanye's house.
I guess. He's certainly not trying to win converts pasting that same nonsensical theory over & over.
We need Trumpism without the Trump.
Try not to feed the troll @skeeter A hungry one will go looking elsewhere for food. happy77
Sigh. Trump was popular simply because he tried to deliver what the base has been asking for from the GOPe for decades. What the GOPe promised and never delivered. Trump made the attempt - sometimes succeeding, others times not.
As long as you believe it's a 'cult' thing you'll never get it.
And if you think with Trump out of the way the GOPe will now pursue what you call 'Trumpism' you are irretrievably naive or just plain dishonest.
I do get it, @skeeter. I do get Trump's "he fights" appeal. And I'm sorry about the "cult" thing, but I'm angry at too many Trumpsters' penchant for paranoia, negativism and, ultimately, self destruction. AG Barr, whose loyalty to Trump and the Republic should be unquestioned, spoke the truth today - whatever fraud there was didn't rise to a level that would change the election. That is a hard truth, but it is best that it be swallowed, because unless we focus, the loss of Senate will crush us, not to mention Trump personally.
How do you propose to do that?
The attitude of the GOP's base has changed. I know mine has.
I do get it, @skeeter. I do get Trump's "he fights" appeal. And I'm sorry about the "cult" thing, but I'm angry at too many Trumpsters' penchant for paranoia, negativism and, ultimately, self destruction. AG Barr, whose loyalty to Trump and the Republic should be unquestioned, spoke the truth today - whatever fraud there was didn't rise to a level that would change the election. That is a hard truth, but it is best that it be swallowed, because unless we focus, the loss of Senate will crush us, not to mention Trump personally.Nah, you don't get it. In fact you still have no clue. Your above two posts prove it.
You don't think Trump's policies are meritorious enough to stand on their own? Or is it you don't think Trump supporters can think beyond their devotion to the man?
Nah, you don't get it. In fact you still have no clue. Your above two posts prove it.
I'm angry at too many Trumpsters' penchant for paranoia, negativism and, ultimately, self destruction.
And I'm angry at too many so-called Republicans who are willing to turn a blind eye to massive election fraud simply because they don't like Trump. The future of our Republic is at stake here - not Trump.
My attitude is I will NEVER vote for someone who isn't a conservative and will not support anyone who isn't a Constitutional conservative -- both are few and few between.
I find it deeply troubling that no one from the GOP, including Cruz has stood up and cried foul. Cruz stated that he saw a pathway to Trump overturning this election, but that's it. Perhaps he came forward to offer his expertise and maybe was told "no" or perhaps he saw that Trump tapped Giuliani for the win ... but everyone else has for the most part remained silent.
The GOP is done.
- whatever fraud there was didn't rise to a level that would change the election.
Would you take a bet they'll be back here, like clockwork, blaming Trump & Trumpers when the rats steal those two GA seats.
So you're OK with the fact that your own county has more registered voters than it has people eligible to vote.
I do get it, @skeeter. I do get Trump's "he fights" appeal. And I'm sorry about the "cult" thing, but I'm angry at too many Trumpsters' penchant for paranoia, negativism and, ultimately, self destruction. AG Barr, whose loyalty to Trump and the Republic should be unquestioned, spoke the truth today - whatever fraud there was didn't rise to a level that would change the election. That is a hard truth, but it is best that it be swallowed, because unless we focus, the loss of Senate will crush us, not to mention Trump personally.
That is a certainty. I'm anticipating a minimum of 3 million votes for the Dem candidates next month since the Governor and Secretary of State have already tipped them off that there will be no signature checks on mail-in ballots.
It's done because of folks like you. If you won't vote for GOP candidates unless they pass your self-defined litmus test which you assure us is "few and far between", then how the hell can you criticize folks who declined to vote for Trump?
Citation, please. What frosts me about Montgomery County is that support for the GOP simply collapsed this year. Not because of fraud. Because of Trump.
There was blatant overwhelming fraud ... the deep state planned it that way and kept their promise of ensuring that Trump was a one term President. Fraud is fraud. The integrity of our election system is gone.
Hoodat wrote:
"That is a certainty. I'm anticipating a minimum of 3 million votes for the Dem candidates next month since the Governor and Secretary of State have already tipped them off that there will be no signature checks on mail-in ballots."
Agreed.
Both of the Georgia Senate Republican seats are gonna be lost to the communists.
The powers-that-be down there will do nothing to constrain or reverse the "election fraud apparatus" the democrat-communists have constructed.
It worked on November 3rd.
It will work BETTER on January 5th.
Georgia has "turned blue".
Might be time to move north to Tennessee, Kentucky or West Virginia.
The GOP collapsed because of the leftists corruption. Many people vote a straight ticket. Don't you find it a little odd that most seats in the state the GOP won but Trump didn't? Please. I declare b.s.
The GOPe deserves to collapse.
The GOPe will use the occasion of the loss to try to marginalize Trump and supporters. They're already trotting out the narrative.
They've got to get rid of the populist element in the party and if it takes losing the senate majority they'll consider it worth the bargain.
IMHO
What the hell are you talking about? Trump's populism is here to stay in tomorrow's GOP, unless all the butthurt whiners take their marbles and go home.lol. priceless.
Amazing. Cant wait to see how he will be savaged. Truth is not welcome in a lot of parts here.
Yup. He's the boy who cried "wolf" one too many times. Only the cultists believe him now.
Trump lost because folks were sick and tired of the chaos.
How do you propose to do that?
Citation, please.
What frosts me about Montgomery County is that support for the GOP simply collapsed this year. Not because of fraud. Because of Trump.
I hope no one's taking this jackassery from this troll seriously.
Just remember the truth: In 2020 12 million more Americans voted to keep President Trump in the Oval Office than voted to send him there in 2016
...and there you have it...that's all folks!How odd, I'm watching hearings on Youtube and witness after witness after witness is sure putting a lie to Frau Barr's assertions.
The GOP collapsed because of the leftists corruption. Many people vote a straight ticket. Don't you find it a little odd that most seats in the state the GOP won but Trump didn't? Please. I declare b.s.
And six million more than that wanted him gone. This election motivated voters as never before. A referendum on Trump, just as both sides wanted.
And six million more than that wanted him gone. This election motivated voters as never before. A referendum on Trump, just as both sides wanted.
Nonsense. That same "fraudulent" vote may have flipped a dozen House seats Republican.
Trump lost because folks were sick and tired of the chaos.
I have a feeling a couple months into the Biden nightmare, Trump will start looking pretty good.
And six million more than that wanted him gone. This election motivated voters as never before. A referendum on Trump, just as both sides wanted.
You are so FOS. There are plenty of us here who were very objective of our opionion of DJT. Calling any Briefer here a "cultist" is an insult to anyone who voted for the person here. Just becuase you are a card carrrying member of the Lincoln Project is your own business. Enjoy your new Pedo-POTUS.
Yup. He's the boy who cried "wolf" one too many times. Only the cultists believe him now.Umm, I'm far from being a Trumper, EverTrumper or anything close to one and I believe him, maybe because I don't have a pre judgement and have been paying attention to the State hearings. There is some serious criminal activity that took place during the ballot counts.
And six million more than that wanted him gone. This election motivated voters as never before. A referendum on Trump, just as both sides wanted.You need to put the pipe down dude.
Umm, I'm far from being a Trumper, EverTrumper or anything close to one and I believe him, maybe because I don't have a pre judgement and have been paying attention to the State hearings. There is some serious criminal activity that took place during the ballot counts.
Never Trump 4 yr coupe has extended into this election. Dominion and the other software cheating programs had no use in a legitimate election. It worked well in Venezuela to install a dictator, and so it might well in
America. The stupidity of denial mentalities dooms our society to 3rd world status or below. Useful fools and idiots do not take responsibility for the disasters they take part in. Many Countries fell to there fools and idiots buying socialism's false dreams/promises! Barr is proof that the left rammed Barr down Trumps throat for a reason.
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Never Trump 4 yr coupe has extended into this election. Dominion and the other software cheating programs had no use in a legitimate election. It worked well in Venezuela to install a dictator, and so it might well in
America. The stupidity of denial mentalities dooms our society to 3rd world status or below. Useful fools and idiots do not take responsibility for the disasters they take part in. Many Countries fell to there fools and idiots buying socialism's false dreams/promises! Barr is proof that the left rammed Barr down Trumps throat for a reason.
Amazing. Cant wait to see how he will be savaged. Truth is not welcome in a lot of parts here.------------------------
Trump made a habit of claiming the elections were rigged whenever he lost a primary. I remember when he claimed to have evidence that Obama was born abroad. Bottom line, he says a lot of things he can't prove ... and now that he needs people to listen to him, most are tuning him out.-----------------------------------
Trump made a habit of claiming the elections were rigged whenever he lost a primary. I remember when he claimed to have evidence that Obama was born abroad. Bottom line, he says a lot of things he can't prove ... and now that he needs people to listen to him, most are tuning him out.
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Trump has behaved this way, all his life, which is why his wise Mother sent him to early Military School. Predictably, it had absolutely no positive impact on his persona.
Trump made a habit of claiming the elections were rigged whenever he lost a primary. I remember when he claimed to have evidence that Obama was born abroad. Bottom line, he says a lot of things he can't prove ... and now that he needs people to listen to him, most are tuning him out.
Oh FFS. You just never miss an opportunity to sing that same stale old tune and bash/trash Trump. You must really like Biden's persona then, eh? Or Harris's?----------------------------
Btw....DU called. They're missing their favorite village idiot.
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FYI, Biden and Trump radiate the same stench.
Stunning how your scrawling's show such class,
intelligence and wisdom.
And six million more than that wanted him gone. This election motivated voters as never before. A referendum on Trump, just as both sides wanted.
Timeline: TBR as I observed it (subjective of course).
Yeah ! Sessions is on the Trump Train.
Sessions is a rat for doing the honorable thing. He should throw himself under the bus for Trump.
Sessions sucks and talks funny too. Lets watch Trump insult him for months in public.... what Sessions offers his resignation and Trump turns him down.... well lets just insult him some more.
Yeah ! Sessions hands in his resignation at Trump's request...
Trump continues to insult Jeff, Jeff ignores it until finally he replies with utmost dignity.
Yeah ! Trump finally assigns a good AG... Barr is the man....
Barr is gonna get them now....
Barr is getting nothing done...
Barr is more of the same swamp....
Barr turns full commie on Trump....
Trump just can't seem to get a good man...
Groan... /end sarcasm
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You guys elected the head clown that Fox, Breitbart and Drudge news pushed over a decent crowd of good conservatives (at least 3 were acceptable to me even)... it was a slow train wreck... and painful to observe.
You guys elected the head clown that Fox, Breitbart and Drudge news pushed over a decent crowd of good conservatives (at least 3 were acceptable to me even)... it was a slow train wreck... and painful to observe.
Look at this five year old butt hurt --- you must have blistering boils by now. **nononono*
We are now all tending boils now because idiots like you pushed the most hated person (next to Hillary) on us. Got 20 trillion dollars to help the deficit while you are typing a response.
How does the "most hated person" garner 75 million legal votes and have coattails wide enough and strong enough to return every incumbent Republican to the House of Representatives (first time this has happened EVAH) and flip 14 seats in Nancy's turf from "D" to "R"?
Be sure to show your math.
How does the "most hated person" garner 75 million legal votes and have coattails wide enough and strong enough to return every incumbent Republican to the House of Representatives (first time this has happened EVAH) and flip 14 seats in Nancy's turf from "D" to "R"?
Be sure to show your math.
By now even you have to admit they won but Trump didn't for a reason...
The President did win. But apparently recognizing this would threaten the world you've created for yourself.
A scathing indictment of the Justice Department. Because there are random Americans uncovering evidence all across the country that would absolutely change the outcomes of several 2020 elections including the Presidency. The fact that the Justice Department hasn't proves that they are incompetent, worthless, or downright corrupt.Or that they just haven't looked.
You might be correct here (and I honestly think the same), I do not discount the cheating against Trump. It is built in liberal bastions (cities) in great numbers.... You have to win in such number that overcomes the numbers they feel they can cheat without having their cover blown. As stated before, I don't like Trump, never will, but I am rooting for the corruption to have it's head blown off in such a way that we have at least somewhat fair elections in liberal controlled districts.I think Trump did what he did with Hillary--he did win in numbers that surpassed the fraud levels written in, only this time, the Dems had a "Plan B" to bring in reserves of ballots in that exigency. The Dems implemented that plan where it was safest--in previously notably corrupt urban jurisdictions that were Democrat controlled, albeit not smoothly, exposing the fraud with irregularities which indicate the desperation involved.
He inspires 80 million people to vote against him when he had the best thing that an incumbent can have going for him, a good economic record in terms of jobs and wages....and still he was so hated that 80 million people said "you're fired".He didn't inspire any such thing. The MSM beating the "Hate Trump" drum for four years with every pejorative phrase they could concoct, synchronized across their channels and pitched by shills on social media just might have had something to do with it.
Even when running against a generic old man.
The President did win. But apparently recognizing this would threaten the world you've created for yourself.
Nonetheless, I hope you work up the courage to take a peek at the legal update threads and listen to and read about some of the hours of testimony given by average joes who witnessed the most outrageous and coordinated voter fraud in US history. And sit back and learn about where the Dominion Voting System added non-existent votes to Biden and deducted actual voted from Trump in the most coordinated election fraud ever conceived in the US.
Pay special attention to the legal updates for the State of Georgia. GA Marxists are readying their next steal on Jan 5. Educate yourself, please. Let's leave the "LIV" label for the socialists/marxists.
Knox wrote:
"He inspires 80 million people to vote against him when he had the best thing that an incumbent can have going for him, a good economic record in terms of jobs and wages....and still he was so hated that 80 million people said "you're fired"."
Sigh...
Under 100 posts and you earned the privilege of getting onto my "ingore list" already.
So long..!
How does the "most hated person" garner 75 million legal votes and have coattails wide enough and strong enough to return every incumbent Republican to the House of Representatives (first time this has happened EVAH) and flip 14 seats in Nancy's turf from "D" to "R"?----------------------------
Be sure to show your math.
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Even a brick knows that answer!!!
It's because the Narcissist-in-Chief had 75 million unhinged sycophants, in thrall to
his relentless infantile noise.
While the Presidential vote rang loud and clear as an emphatic vote of NO CONFIDENCE
in Trump and his antics; the Congressional vote affirmed support for R House & Senate
members bringing them ever closer to a House majority!!!
As Koko mused (Mikado)........"He nevah will be missed, oh no, not evah....." !
While the Presidential vote rang loud and clear as an emphatic vote of NO CONFIDENCE
in Trump and his antics; the Congressional vote affirmed support for R House & Senate
members bringing them ever closer to a House majority!!!
Yes, Trump did all those things, but he also repulsed enough people to prevent his re -election. But the tragedy is that he was fatally flawed.@Jazzhead
@Jazzhead
Yes, you are right. He had a nasty name for every world leader and all individual Republicans and every individual Democrat - every person in the world. He hasn't yet tossed his kids out because his blood runs in them. He destroyed companies because he would not pay them for work on big projects - they went bankrupt when they could not stay in court as long as he did. This is the life of this man - stay in court and nothing happens.
I know Senate Republicans talked to psychologists about Trump; then, they knew what he was and had to deal with it until he was no longer president. That is coming up soon, after January 20, and if they are not still afraid of Trump destroying their livelihood, they will begin to talk. Trump will try to hurt them the rest of his life. That is what he does.
He is not a conservative - he is whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.
He is now gathering money from people across the nation, saying the money is for his PAC he is forming, but he has that money, about $170 million now, placed so he can use the money for whatever he wants. He was a scammer when he got here and is one now. Scammer: "A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud."
He did some actions to please Republicans using EOs - not going through congress; he did not care for congress since he wanted to do actions by himself so he got all the "credit" for whatever it was. Biden can cancel Trump's EOs, which he will begin doing his first day as President.
Some will say that old claim to me, "You hate Trump". I did not hate any of my patients who had serious mental problems. I do not hate him but he was and is, too flawed to be president.
How do you reconcile that nonsense with the fact that Trump received more votes than did all GOP Congressional candidates combined?We are still waiting for something, anything from him that makes sense.
Or that they just haven't looked.Or perhaps this instead.
Watching CNN isn't exactly "investigating" and twitter and Fecebook have been sanitized for the Dems and the NWO.
I appreciate your experitse in the psychological arena, but honestly it still boiled down to this.....
Do you prefer a naricissist, who was turning the country's economy around, and was successfull in fighting the Chicom threat? I have one thread on the Economy forum, where Trump's actions have forced the Chicoms to nearly default on some of their high flying AAA Corporate Bonds. He allmost beat them in this game of High Stakes Chicken. Also a POTUS who would continued to do his best to put conservative leaning judges in the judiciary. Plus continued advocacy toward keeping energy independence.
Or do you prefer a pre-demenita candidate who has admittedly endorsed the NGD, and the loss of 20M jobs in the energy sector. One who hired a woman a VPOTUS who will willlfully take this country down a wreckless SJW, envirowhacko, and socialist path. One who pundits think will add $15T to the national debt by 2024? And that doesn't include the likelyhood of Biden's association with the Chicoms, and influence peddling to the biggest threat to our country.
Seemed like a pretty easy choice to me.
@Jazzhead
Yes, you are right. He had a nasty name for every world leader and all individual Republicans and every individual Democrat - every person in the world. He hasn't yet tossed his kids out because his blood runs in them. He destroyed companies because he would not pay them for work on big projects - they went bankrupt when they could not stay in court as long as he did. This is the life of this man - stay in court and nothing happens.
I know Senate Republicans talked to psychologists about Trump; then, they knew what he was and had to deal with it until he was no longer president. That is coming up soon, after January 20, and if they are not still afraid of Trump destroying their livelihood, they will begin to talk. Trump will try to hurt them the rest of his life. That is what he does.
He is not a conservative - he is whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.
He is now gathering money from people across the nation, saying the money is for his PAC he is forming, but he has that money, about $170 million now, placed so he can use the money for whatever he wants. He was a scammer when he got here and is one now. Scammer: "A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud."
He did some actions to please Republicans using EOs - not going through congress; he did not care for congress since he wanted to do actions by himself so he got all the "credit" for whatever it was. Biden can cancel Trump's EOs, which he will begin doing his first day as President.
Some will say that old claim to me, "You hate Trump". I did not hate any of my patients who had serious mental problems. I do not hate him but he was and is, too flawed to be president.
He inspires 80 million people to vote against him when he had the best thing that an incumbent can have going for him, a good economic record in terms of jobs and wages....and still he was so hated that 80 million people said "you're fired".The fallacy in that claim is in saying all those counted votes came from real people.
Even when running against a generic old man.
I find it deeply troubling that no one from the GOP, including Cruz has stood up and cried foul. Cruz stated that he saw a pathway to Trump overturning this election, but that's it. Perhaps he came forward to offer his expertise and maybe was told "no" or perhaps he saw that Trump tapped Giuliani for the win ... but everyone else has for the most part remained silent.@libertybele
Well said.Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.
And I'd go a step further and say that after he leaves office he can be viewed as a threat to national security. He hates the DOJ, hates American intelligence services, has put them down and taken the side of the Intel of a foreign govt I shall not name.
A man with massive debts to foreign banks, with no integrity, no love of country, and a trove of valuable intelligence...not a great mix.
The fallacy in that claim is in saying all those counted votes came from real people.
The fallacy in that claim is in saying all those counted votes came from real people.
Exactly how do you know that anyway?
Isn't that exactly why a number of states are examining or challenging the count in their own state?
Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.
Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?
Well said. And I'd go a step further and say that after he leaves office he can be viewed as a threat to national security. He hates the DOJ, hates American intelligence services, has put them down and taken the side of the Intel of a foreign govt I shall not name.@Knox27
A man with massive debts to foreign banks, with no integrity, no love of country, and a trove of valuable intelligence...not a great mix.
Where do you see evidence i support biden?
Trump is not a republican or a conservative. Being honest about him is not a political stance. Im an American first, then a republican. Followed closely by an absurdist and a selfless lover.
I oppose biden on his economic philosophy, his regulation philosophy and those are two pretty big concerns among a host of others.
Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.
Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?
My attitude is I will NEVER vote for someone who isn't a conservative and will not support anyone who isn't a Constitutional conservative -- both are few and few between.I watched both the GOP Pennsylvanian and Arizonian legislators stating in meetings that there were serious questions to the legitimacy of the way the elections in their states transpired so I find it odd you make a statement like that.
I find it deeply troubling that no one from the GOP, including Cruz has stood up and cried foul. Cruz stated that he saw a pathway to Trump overturning this election, but that's it. Perhaps he came forward to offer his expertise and maybe was told "no" or perhaps he saw that Trump tapped Giuliani for the win ... but everyone else has for the most part remained silent.
The GOP is done.
As bad as I hate to say it, Barr's statment yesterday was pretty much the death knell blow. He as top law enforcerment officer just gave SCOTUS practical cover to refuse hear any of the cases.
Where do you see evidence i support biden?If you don't support Biden and you most certainly don't support Trump with the characterizations you made of him, you must have gone third party or didn't vote at all.
Trump is not a republican or a conservative. Being honest about him is not a political stance. Im an American first, then a republican. Followed closely by an absurdist and a selfless lover.
I oppose biden on his economic philosophy, his regulation philosophy and those are two pretty big concerns among a host of others.
@Knox27Why are you just worried about the President here?
I have read intelligence officials are concerned about his "secrets" knowledge; thinking he may tell it (them) for whatever reason. I never worried about this with other presidents, but this ex-president soon, is different than other ex-presidents.
So @Knox27 ...aren't "those [same] two pretty big concerns" for you to vote for Donald J. Trump?
Furthermore, please explain why you believe "Trump is not Republican or a Conservative"? Give examples.
I appreciate your experitse in the psychological arena, but honestly it still boiled down to this.....Thank you @catfish1957
Trump is a nationalist populist as far as he has any principles at all, and even then i doubt how much he cares about the welfare of any non elite member of society. That's not a philosophy I care for.
And as for those 2 issues. Trump is a one trick pony. He gleaned all the benefits of a low interest rate by the fed. He was valuable in moving the definition of full employment as well. Ill miss the deregulation. But thats it. He has shown he cannot be trusted with a crisis. He is a foreign security liability. The trade war was a disaster. He has done nothing to stop ilegal immigration. He puts down freedom of speech and bullies protesters. He has taken zero action for climate change. He has too many negatives.
WTF folks.... We have an enviro-whacko here!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
The mere fact that Pedo Joe secured 15M votes more than Hitlery is way beyond the realm of plausibility. As bad of a candidate as she was, she still was a hell of a lot more persuavive than their Weekend at Bernie's candidate this time. I just don't believe it, and never will.
I have 40 years experience in the environmental profession if the kid wants to debate it with me.
Why are you just worried about the President here?
Do you not realize there are hundreds of people in an administration, from state dept to defense to CIA to every US attorney that have what you call 'secrets'?
If the paranoia of divulging 'secrets' keeps you up at night, you might want to think about all those other guys in ALL administrations, which have to be in many thousands.
Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.@IsailedawayfromFR
Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?
I am not a geophysicist, or an atmospheric physicist. Im aware the the overwhelming majority of people who have undergone rigorous academic training have concluded there is anthropogenic climate change.
So I cannot debate it, like I dont debate string theory vs loop gravity, or the best mechanism for a covid vaccine. But if there is a strong concensus by experts in any of those fields, I do know enough that I believe them over raving idiots on facebook.
Why are you just worried about the President here? Do you not realize there are hundreds of people in an administration, from state dept to defense to CIA to every US attorney that have what you call 'secrets'? If the paranoia of divulging 'secrets' keeps you up at night, you might want to think about all those other guys in ALL administrations, which have to be in many thousands.
We are now all tending boils now because idiots like you pushed the most hated person (next to Hillary) on us. Got 20 trillion dollars to help the deficit while you are typing a response.@Sighlass
Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.
Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?
So, how do you explain that most of the planet was warmer a 1000 years ago than now? Or times 100's of thousands of years ago, when the average globabl temperature was 5 degrees C higher than now. Or why now data shows that Antartic Ice shelf is growing?
The so called overwhelming consensus is a group of left leaning scientist who in concert with left wing politicans who are furthering the Climate Change narrative for a wealth redistribution effort for 3rd world countries. About 10 years ago, did you happen to notice that the term global warming morphed into ther term "climate change". That was not an accident. Because if you apply causal statistics to what is happening, it is not warming at a rate or slope that meets that theory. Furthermore, do you realize that the data gathered at NWS data reporting and collection stations has been influenced by urban/suburban creep. When the NWS built these station, mostly in the '50's theu were located in rural areas outside the "heat island" effect. No one cares to bring up that point.
Secondly, about drinking the kookaid. The core of envirowhacko scientist has created an environment of harrassment and heresy, if any research climatoliogist dares to question the Oracles of AGW. One of my favorite example is the late great Dr. William Gray of Colorado State. He at the time was the greatest and most intelligent person on the planet as far as understanding and predicting climate trends. If that name does not sound familar, you might have heard of him otherwise by his Hurricane Prediction skills, which were pretty much the gold standard for years. IN some of his parting shots at the scam, he make accusations of falsifications and skewing of data. And at the direction of the "Oracles", the meteorlogical community turned on him. Dr. Neil Frank is another who has had the courage to speak it. But bottom line..... If you don't drink the koolaid, you will be treated as a pariah among your peers.
3rdly, what really is long term climate about? A 100 years of data, is a mere blink of the eye in the scheme of matters of how Mother Nature conducts herself on our planet. Truthfully, man thinking he has the abilty to skew long term weather trends is laughable. Sunspots, OTOH, are another matter. In fact, we had huge solar cycles in the '90's that may have had some short term effect. Lately though, we are seeing more slumber from Sol, and if you want a really candid opinion. I fear a colder climate due to reduced sunspot activities than I do wilth silly man made global warming.
Should I believe in only science that comes from a right leaning scientist? Einstein was pretty left, should I disregard relativity?
The leanings of researchers is not relevant. The publications are out there for you to refute individually. Incidental points about the climate 1000 years ago are meaningless in a vacuum.
If you can point me to intentional systemic fraud in academic papers, I might be inclined to listen. But there you need to be careful and specific!
What's always interested is at what point in a doctorate students education is he or she approached by this cabal to fudge research because...97 percent of people who probably only care about research want a massive transfer of wealth to the third world? Is that the sum of it. Prima facie absurd.
Are you sure you begin with an open mind, or do you begin with the position that its a conspiracy and find some of the 3 percent that will support your views?
@IsailedawayfromFRSince he trashed both Biden and Trump, my interest is knowing who that person then voted for as an alternative.
Information from a member about any candidate does not mean the member supports the other candidate unless the member says so. Some members here do as you have done, your saying a member supports Biden because the member posted info. about the Republican candidate, Trump.
This axiom is not true: If one speaks badly about one candidate, one must love the other candidate.
So what good is it, to regurgitate false or skewed data generated to slant your POV. Dr. Gray (read his papers, if you want proof) went into decent depth of the failures of their research, and those 3% are those who have the courage to stick up for good science and common sense. Academics are not that well paid, and understand what will commence if they become heretics. This is all part of the NWO agenda and objectives. The narrative is set much in the manner of the Emperor's New Clothes.
You accepting the farce of Climate Change, really makes me question your political affilliation, and your blind faith in false science.
I have 40 years experience in the environmental profession if the kid wants to debate it with me.And I learned about 'climate change' from my father, who was a meteorologist his entire career beginning in WW2 aboard a naval ship in the Pacific.
It would do us well to believe in science more. And fairy tales less.
I'm a republican that believes in science even if gives answers I don't like. Im a republican that doesn't believe in God. I'm a pro choice republican. Im not going to believe its a Chinese hoax because our fat idiot of a President says it is
And I learned about 'climate change' from my father, who was a meteorologist his entire career beginning in WW2 aboard a naval ship in the Pacific.
He always told me we have climate change. It is called the four seasons, summer, fall, winter and spring.
Do you think the kid does not know this?
There are levels of security. Very few are on the top level as presidents are. I could tell you about that but would have to kill you if you knew. :nono:So we are talking about the numbers of secrets someone knows instead of the secretive nature of those secrets. Although the President certainly has knowledge on more than most if not all, there are always people who know those specific secrets that he knows. Otherwise, how could he know them?
It would do us well to believe in science more. And fairy tales less.Bully for you. But dont kid yourself you’re some kind of objective thinker, you’re just another sheep in the herd.
I'm a republican that believes in science even if gives answers I don't like. Im a republican that doesn't believe in God. I'm a pro choice republican. Im not going to believe its a Chinese hoax because our fat idiot of a President says it is
Bully for you. But dont kid yourself you’re some kind of objective thinker, you’re just another sheep in the herd.
I am not a geophysicist, or an atmospheric physicist. Im aware the the overwhelming majority of people who have undergone rigorous academic training have concluded there is anthropogenic climate change.
It would do us well to believe in science more. And fairy tales less.
I'm a republican that believes in science even if gives answers I don't like. Im a republican that doesn't believe in God. I'm a pro choice republican. Im not going to believe its a Chinese hoax because our fat idiot of a President says it is
Bully for you. But dont kid yourself you’re some kind of objective thinker, you’re just another sheep in the herd.
It would do us well to believe in science more. And fairy tales less.If you do not believe in God, why do you call yourself an American?
I'm a republican that believes in science even if gives answers I don't like. Im a republican that doesn't believe in God. I'm a pro choice republican. Im not going to believe its a Chinese hoax because our fat idiot of a President says it is
@Knox27
I seriously doubt that the majority of people who have undergone rigorous academic training would offer any conclusion based on zero evidence.
It would do us well to believe in science more. And fairy tales less.
I am not a geophysicist, or an atmospheric physicist. Im aware the the overwhelming majority of people who have undergone rigorous academic training have concluded there is anthropogenic climate change.
So I cannot debate it, like I dont debate string theory vs loop gravity, or the best mechanism for a covid vaccine. But if there is a strong concensus by experts in any of those fields, I do know enough that I believe them over raving idiots on facebook.
I'll take "Oceander" for the win, Alex!My money is on Sinkspur or r9etb
Im a republican that doesn't believe in God. I'm a pro choice republican. Im not going to believe its a Chinese hoax because our fat idiot of a President says it is
I agree with that statement
I'll take "Oceander" for the win, Alex!
I'm a pro choice republican.
Yes. One day I hope to be open minded and without bias like you. So far I'm a disappointment.oh I have biases. The difference between you and I is I’m honest about them.
Its good, though, to have lofty goals
I'll take that bet.
Go with your first inclination... "Fat idiot of a President" sealed it for me that it's Sink. :laugh:
Yet the key missing ingredient here is actual scientific evidence. So how are we to believe your contention that a majority of academics have reached this conclusion when there is no evidence to support it?
Here facts matter and if you're going to engage in this topic...bring your facts.
Very simple. Im not an expert. An expert is someone with an advanced degree from an accredited institution who conducts research or analyzes the existing studies.
When you have 100 of those in a room, if 97 of them say the answer is A, and three say the answer is B...im going with A.
Ill be wrong far less often than ill be right. You take your three percent. Ultimately I believe its important enough that our leaders should take action.
Very simple. Im not an expert. An expert is someone with an advanced degree from an accredited institution who conducts research or analyzes the existing studies.
When you have 100 of those in a room, if 97 of them say the answer is A, and three say the answer is B...im going with A.
I'll take that bet.
Go with your first inclination... "Fat idiot of a President" sealed it for me that it's Sink. :laugh:
It would do us well to believe in science more. And fairy tales less.
I'm a republican that believes in science even if gives answers I don't like. Im a republican that doesn't believe in God. I'm a pro choice republican. Im not going to believe its a Chinese hoax because our fat idiot of a President says it is
If the 'bringing of facts' was a pre-requisite for any global warming alarmist to engage in such a debate, then this topic would never be discussed. There simply aren't any.
Ah, so you are incapable of thinking for yourself. Got it. Just to clarify, you are not aware of the existence of any actual evidence indicating that man causes global warming (even though you are aware of evidence that global temperature changes are cyclical and totally independent of man's actions). Yet you cling to this fantasy of anthropogenic gobbly-gook.
I was with Sink until the "pro-choice Republican" and "I don't believe in God" .... But you know him better than I. @DCPatriot
I simply can't spare 6 years to become an expert.
Ahhh, darn...you're right! He would never deny God, unless it was a deflection of sorts.
Reason I doubt that it's Oceander is because his "Ego concerning legalities" is severely lacking.
But, it's a little bit of fun to guess. :beer: @Right_in_Virginia
My money is on Sinkspur or r9etb
Yeah, it could be misdirection on Sink's part. Hey, Sink *look*
@DCPatriot
Good grief, man. You can at least acknowledge that some sort of evidence is required to draw a scientific conclusion.
For example, Vostok data shows that rising temperatures preceded rising carbon dioxide levels. Likewise, falling temperatures preceded declines in carbon dioxide levels. This is data that even the UN published. It is solid scientific evidence showing that there have been six temperature cycles over the last 600,000 years - long before humans started purchasing automobiles.
Evidence, evidence, evidence. Ask yourself "Do I have any evidence?" Because it doesn't even take a fifth grader to figure that one out.
The vostok data! I've been told by someone that shares my ideology that this invalidates everything they've told us! Vostok!
(https://www.iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Vostok-Ice-Core-Data.jpg)
Temperature drives CO2. This is what the science shows. Do you believe the science?
(https://www.iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Vostok-Ice-Core-Data.jpg)
Temperature drives CO2. This is what the science shows. Do you believe the science?
Well inasmuch as one graph can encompass the totality of an entire field i guess I'm wrong and don't have to worry!
The vostok data settles it. The interpretation of which has been told to me
Since when is science ever "settled"?Ever since Nicolaus Copernicus created his scientific model of the universe that had the sun in the center of it.
Since when is science ever "settled"?
Ever since Nicolaus Copernicus created his scientific model of the universe that had the sun in the center of it.
A feature, not a bug, of science!
Only when it fits your leftist narrative.
Settled science once said the earth was flat.
Settled Science once said the earth was the center of the universe.
Settled science said of a vehicle traveled over 100mph the driver would die of oxygen starvation.
Talk to me more about this myth that "settled" science is a "feature"
Religion said that earth was the center of the universe.
And yes, its a wonderful feature that new evidence and new ways of thinking are welcomed! But id like to see evidence that your examples were "settled science"
I suspect they were not.
Why is it leftist to believe in man made climate change? The response to it may suit some leftists for sure. I dont conflate the two.
Is it leftist to believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old and evolution is the result of random mutations?
Religion said that earth was the center of the universe.What does that have to do with anything whatsoever?
What does that have to do with anything whatsoever?
I thought you were talking about scientific evidence, not religious beliefs.
Right! Sometimes I get the religious beliefs in a God confused with the unquestioning slavish devotion to ideology!
My bad.
No that was scientists of the day.
As far as I know...Aristotle wasn't a priest or a religious figure. Neither was astronomer and mathematician Ptolemy.
Go back and look at the scientists pre-Enlightenment and before the Scientific Revolution.
To an uncurious mind like yours...you'll never find that which you don't look for.
Because it's become a religion of sorts for leftists like yourself. Green is the new Red. The fan fiction theories on man made climate change do not stand up to peer review or a serious look at the statistical and environmental facts.
There's no better evidence of this than the infamous Hockey Stick graph.
Nope. It's not. Nice try at a subtle swipe at christians though. But what you just said makes my case. This planet has been here long before man and billions of years before the Industrial Revolution. To believe your fantasy of man made global warming...would require a suspension if disbelief that the planet that survived natural cycles of Ice Ages warming...tectonic plate shifts...floods asteroids that wiped out entire species and play magnetic shifts that have reversed the poles is in danger of being wiped out by man and technology.
We're a virus on the surface of this globe and when God and Mother nature grow tired of the virus they will wipe us out and start over.
It's egotistical and arrogant to believe that man and man alone is this climatological disaster to the planet.
[quoteIf its leftist then we are not gonna exist as a party in 50 years
You're not a Republican anyway so why should it matter to you what the Republican Party looks like in 50 years?
We are now all tending boils now because idiots like you pushed the most hated person (next to Hillary) on us. Got 20 trillion dollars to help the deficit while you are typing a response.
I simply can't spare 6 years to become an expert.
Its not a fantasy. Ideally it wouldn't be a problem and we can go along our merry way. Id say I wish it was a hoax, but then that would be an indictment of any science ever so im happy its not.
So to sum up, im saddened that its real yet simultaneously glad that we can, for the most part, believe peer reviewed science. That's not too nuanced...
They have taken to calling it the hockey team now. Because of all the independent confirmation of the data. They must not know about vostok!
If the original "peer reviewed" science is fabricated (GIGO), what good is it? I have already explained to you about the heat island anomoly of reporting stations as a skewed number. What about extrapolated data which showed it warmer a 1000 years ago? At least answer those....
I know enough, and have read enough to know that those so called 97% are sheeple, just like yourself. Again..... Mets who deny the Oracle, are castigataed into occupational hell fire. Basing and staking the future of mankind on basically 80 years of faulty data from those having hidden politica agendas? You may have been duped, but I know better to buy off into the scare....
Back in the late 1970's the population was scared into thinking we were heading into an ice age. That worked out about the same as the present cast of clowns hawking their enviro-whacko babble.
Where do you see evidence i support biden?I oppose Biden because he is the stalking horse by which a real Communist who isn't even a Natural Born Citizen will end up POTUS, should Biden prevail. He will not finish his term, and between Pelosi dusting off the 25th Amendment and his non compos mentis performances on his short campaign trail, I think that is obvious.
Trump is not a republican or a conservative. Being honest about him is not a political stance. Im an American first, then a republican. Followed closely by an absurdist and a selfless lover.
I oppose biden on his economic philosophy, his regulation philosophy and those are two pretty big concerns among a host of others.
The hockey stick graph is a proven fraud based on made up data.
That tells me all I need to know about you where the myth of man made climate change is concerned.
He crossed his arms and huffed, his face reddening.
"Every knows its fake! They made up the data! Everyone knows! You're a sheep! Ice cores! Sunspots! "
But the hockey stick graph is a fraud. A man-made computer software algorithm generated it, and the algorithm is rigged to produce a hockey stick shape no matter what data were entered. Like everything else found in the rigged world of “climate science,†the hockey stick graph was a fraud the day it was generated.
Typical troll move. Don’t engage the facts when your talking points/propaganda is exposed.
http://www.ccfsh.org/climate/climate-change-hoax-collapses-as-michael-manns-bogus-hockey-stick-graph-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed-by-the-supreme-court-of-british-columbia/ (http://www.ccfsh.org/climate/climate-change-hoax-collapses-as-michael-manns-bogus-hockey-stick-graph-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed-by-the-supreme-court-of-british-columbia/)
Michael Mann used fraudulent data to create the graph. There’s emails to prove it.
Not that facts and truth matter to you.
- the middle class suburbs -
Will be gone under Biden injected with section eight housing and apartments.(chaos)
Hope - the middle class suburbs - enjoy their sanctimony.
It's not sanctimony. These voters abandoned Trump because of . . .
Mark Thiessen, in this morning's paper:
" Trump didn't lose the election"
Right on the mark.
Again, researchers have all come to the same conclusion.
Only a small minority of scientists and politicians go the other way.
Show me the emails please
Mark Thiessen, in this morning's paper:
" Trump didn't lose the election because of a Cuban-Venezuelen-Chinese-Clinton-Soros conspiracy. He lost because he alienated millions of voters who approved of his policies but did not vote for him because they were tired of chaos."
Funny, I said something similar just the other day. And from my vantage point - the middle class suburbs - that result could be seen a mile away. As Mr. Thiessen points out, "The facts speak for themselves: In 2016, Trump won suburban voters by 2 percentage points; in 2020 he lost them by 10. This shift proved decisive in key swing states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia."
Right on the mark. The turn away from the GOP in the suburbs is the untold story of this election that needs to be addressed as soon as possible. And in these parts, Trump remains poison, as he wildly challenges the election results and selfishly ignores the big picture: two Senate seats in Georgia that, if lost, will prove the death knell for all those Trump policies that have restored prosperity even in the face of a pandemic.
OMG! STOP LYING ALREADY!
OMG! STOP LYING ALREADY!
Again, researchers have all come to the same conclusion. Only a small minority of scientists and politicians go the other way.
Show me the emails please
Yet even a partial review of the emails is highly illuminating. In them, scientists appear to urge each other to present a "unified" view on the theory of man-made climate change while discussing the importance of the "common cause"; to advise each other on how to smooth over data so as not to compromise the favored hypothesis; to discuss ways to keep opposing views out of leading journals; and to give tips on how to "hide the decline" of temperature in certain inconvenient data.
It's not sanctimony. These voters abandoned Trump because of his unfiltered, inflammatory rhetoric and his improvisational behavior.
OMG! STOP LYING ALREADY!
What lie, sir? The facts are, as Mark Theissen said, that Trump won the suburbs in 2016 and lost them in 2020, and that is what made the difference (even as GOP candidates generally held their own).
Trump lost because folks are tired of the chaos. And if you want to blame the Dems and the media for that, go right ahead - I would agree with you.
Both Trump and the Dems were essentially allied in stoking the chaos. That's why I say Trump lost not because of fraud but because of intimidation. Folks in the suburbs have too much at stake to put up with another four years of the shitshow.
Typical troll move. Don’t engage the facts when your talking points/propaganda is exposed.
http://www.ccfsh.org/climate/climate-change-hoax-collapses-as-michael-manns-bogus-hockey-stick-graph-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed-by-the-supreme-court-of-british-columbia/ (http://www.ccfsh.org/climate/climate-change-hoax-collapses-as-michael-manns-bogus-hockey-stick-graph-defamation-lawsuit-dismissed-by-the-supreme-court-of-british-columbia/)
Michael Mann used fraudulent data to create the graph. There’s emails to prove it.
Not that facts and truth matter to you.
Folks in the suburbs have too much at stake to put up with another four years of the shitshow.
Washington Post: Trump wasn’t just a rural phenomenon. Most of his supporters come from cities and suburbs.
The 11 largest metropolitan areas in the United States gave Trump more total votes than all of rural America combined. In order of population, they are New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, D.C., Miami, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Boston and Phoenix.
Forget about it Radio... Arguing with the dumbass is pointless.
Resorting to ad hominem attacks. Illuminating.
It wasn't an attack, ad hominem or otherwise. It was the truth.
Really? 12 million more Americans voted to keep the President in office than voted in 2016 to put him there --- and you're still clinging to the jackassery that voters didn't know where and from who the chaos was coming.
12 million more Americans let you know they understand full well that NT and Democrat obstructionists created bedlam for four years aimed at destroying our President. Only you and your NT cohorts want to believe otherwise.
Resorting to ad hominem attacks. Illuminating.
Resorting to ad hominem attacks. Illuminating.
Sorry for being so brutally honest.... Exhibit A.... Here is a quote and reponse from about your 30th post concerning your sources of news...... Again these are your words......
"A variety of places. Including places you would scoff at because its not solely epoch times, gateway pundit, or frontpage magazine. Yes that means I'll read the WSJ, NYT, the atlantic, drudge, the AP, the economist, axios, the hill. I know... im a sheep for listening to the lamestream media."
Anyone who samples the NYT, Atlantic, Drudge, AP as credible news sources? You've got to be kidding. Thusly , sheeple like you bring their POV to ridiculous left wing biased climate change arguments, among other left of center gibberish you have been bringing to this forum.
When all they've got is ad hominem attacks, you know you're winning the argument.
Welcome to the board, btw, @Knox27 .
When all they've got is ad hominem attacks, you know you're winning the argument.
Welcome to the board, btw, @Knox27 .
You?.... I see da trollz be stirrin'
Your whole schtick is unabated ultra-biased Trump hate. Everybody knows that.
He crossed his arms and huffed, his face reddening.Let's put it this way. In 1983, and again in the 1990s I worked in places where the official temperature was reported as -54 degrees Fahrenheit. (incidentally, that is the temperature where mercury solidifies). Unofficially, the temperature at one of those locations was -60, read on a 'spirit' thermometer that used alcohol instead of mercury. Those readings were verified in the official records when I could first access them on the internet, but have been since 'revised' upward to -50 degrees.
"Every knows its fake! They made up the data! Everyone knows! You're a sheep! Ice cores! Sunspots! "
The only "unabashed hate" around here is coming from the likes of you and other Trump lickspittles who cannot abide contrary opinions.
The only "unabashed hate" around here is coming from the likes of you and other Trump lickspittles who cannot abide contrary opinions. I have praised Trump's policies and his worker- centric vision for the GOP many times on this board. Those policies, and that vision, represent a viable future for our party. It is the man himself and the chaos both he and the Dems feed off of that have alienated the suburbs.
I do not hate Donald Trump. But one term as President is quite enough.
When all they've got is ad hominem attacks, you know you're winning the argument.
Welcome to the board, btw, @Knox27 .
The only "unabashed hate" around here is coming from the likes of you and other Trump lickspittles who cannot abide contrary opinions. I have praised Trump's policies and his worker- centric vision for the GOP many times on this board. Those policies, and that vision, represent a viable future for our party. It is the man himself and the chaos both he and the Dems feed off of that have alienated the suburbs.Good impose one term limits on POTUS.
I do not hate Donald Trump. But one term as President is quite enough.
Sounds like someone needs a nap @Cyber Liberty
| I do not hate Donald Trump. But one term as President is quite enough. |
First off the line you posted is a quote from an earlier post by another member. The quote is in the box above my comment (outside the box, naturally), the source is at the top of the box.
I do not hate Donald Trump. But one term as President is quite enough.
Odd, those that do hate Trump sound just like you smokin. Are we supposed to be able to tell a difference ?
Have you notified the election boards you are now the one to decide how many terms of office a politician can have ?
Trump hater/never Trumpers. A difference of no discernible distinction. After 4 years of felonious treason, they still despise Trumps prosperity, and still Lewinsky worship politicians like bill, hitlery, Obama. Speaks volumes.
Sounds like someone needs a nap @Cyber Liberty
Running to the mods, I see, like a spoiled schoolgirl. This after labelling me a troll and worse for weeks now. *****rollingeyes*****
Let's put it this way. In 1983, and again in the 1990s I worked in places where the official temperature was reported as -54 degrees Fahrenheit. (incidentally, that is the temperature where mercury solidifies). Unofficially, the temperature at one of those locations was -60, read on a 'spirit' thermometer that used alcohol instead of mercury. Those readings were verified in the official records when I could first access them on the internet, but have been since 'revised' upward to -50 degrees.
Such data revisions only serve to raise temperatures in the official record,which we are supposed to accept as proof that the planet is in some catastrophic warming cycle. If it is, it isn't humans, and the warming and cooling cycles in the past, where CO2 is a trailing indicator*, occurred without human intervention.
The only reason to suddenly blame humans for climate is to advance the concept of global control, something that can't be done without some boogeyman that threatens everyone equally. Of course, if you just send lots of money, that will help stabilize the planet's temperature, too.
*If you consider the solubility of CO2 in water, it is more soluble in cold water than warm, so the CO2 content of the atmosphere trails temperature because the oceans take time to cool or warm,and the solubility of CO2 in those bodies of water increases or decreases with the temperature of the water. That is why CO2 trails the temperature, and is an indicator, not a forcing factor.
Joe, thanks for a thoughtful reply.But all the scientists and agencies who are on the bandwagon say the same thing is not the same as an absence of scientific dissent. It's an absence of that dissent being given even a level playing field, for political reasons. The dissent is there, and has been since the Kyoto accords were proposed. I was one of over 30,000 scientists who dissented, and went on record as having done so.
I can not account for every fact, and intellectually I cannot use information that goes for ot against the "official story" because I don't know what I dont know. Like rumsfield said, unknown unknowns.
So when someone tells me about the ice cores, and a graph showing changes in co2 predate changes in temperature, what does that mean to someone who doesn't know what they don't know. Is the data up to date and widely accepted? Does it mean that co2 added to the atmosphere not due to preexisting warming is benign? I cannot know how to interpret one random graph, and I know it's one of many pieces of the puzzle.
Conversely I dont argue for man made climate change with graphs of my own, although I'm sure I can fine them. But then they are just dismissed as false, falsely!
Anecdotal evidence, ultimately, cant be useful when it's just small snapshots of a large and complicated field.
The bottom line is I do not believe that researchers fake data, fake conclusions, or get into research to further their economic views. Not without a lot of proof of that!
And despite people saying it is debunked that the vast majority of serious climate researchers agree that there is anthropogenic climate change and that it is likely to have deleterious consequences, I have seen no proof that it is debunked.
I believe that when all the scientific agencies and groups all say the same thing...well...thats the truth even with a few people saying otherwise.
But I also should mention that when someone refutes climate change science and they argue first based on ideology, it has very little weight.
Let's get back to the Original Topic about Barr.
O'tay!
O'tay!
Well, as has been said, "Free beer tomorrow!"
We've been waiting for this slow walked investigation to result in arrests.
Still waiting...
Let's get back to the Original Topic about Barr.
Barr will be collateral damage, before Christmas, in this Election 2020 CF, IMHO.
Nonsense. That same "fraudulent" vote may have flipped a dozen House seats Republican.
Trump lost because folks were sick and tired of the chaos.
You bring up some interesting points @LMAO I believe that upwards of over 90% of Briefers believe it was a Fraudulent Election that was stolen from Trump. He and Cocaine Mitch were the only ones to do a damn thing about it and they had 4 Freaking years. It must be a more formidable machine than even I had imagined.
It's both fascinating and comical to see so many of you people suddenly stick your heads up out of your holes to criticize President Trump. Contorting yourselves like pretzels to find reasons for the illusion of his defeat by a corrupt, senile idiot.
The man is the best damned President the nation has seen since Ronald Reagan. And his record proves his first term was infinitely better than Pres. Reagan.
Who gives a fiddler's f**k if he lacked the charm of Ronald Reagan? Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle were also considered a**holes in their respective clubhouses. George Patton, likewise.
Certainly not any serious American who can appreciate his successful efforts of simply wanting to "Make America Great Again"...which he most certainly did, both economically and morally positive for the American individual and his/her family.
Grow the hell, up!
We can't lose this "azzhole." He fights. Despite all the people demanding he just give the eff up.
@Jazzhead
It's hard for some to admit someone they put all their hopes behind had some serious character and behavior problems that cost him the election. My wife is convinced trump lost because of fraud. Not that I don't believe folks may have some legitimate questions regarding the election. But yes, if voter fraud was the reason why Trump lost then why did they "allow" the GOP to do well downticket in a year that, on paper, was going to be a tough one for the GOP?
Yeah and why didn't they pull the same fraud in 2016... with the first female president and all that?
They underestimated how much they needed to cheat in 2016. That's why they were all so surprised she lost. As a result, the Rats cheated so badly even retarded mice can see it.
Duh.
So they can organize a massive voter fraud operation at the level of faking ballots, moving ballots, rigging machines all to win by small margins in key states...but were 'surprised in 2016. Thats your view.
They underestimated how much they needed to cheat in 2016. That's why they were all so surprised she lost. As a result, the Rats cheated so badly even retarded mice can see it.
Duh.
They underestimated how much they needed to cheat in 2016. That's why they were all so surprised she lost. As a result, the Rats cheated so badly even retarded mice can see it.
Duh.
Exactly. They were absolutely blindsided when Trump won and they've been planning their victory since then.
So they can organize a massive voter fraud operation at the level of faking ballots, moving ballots, rigging machines all to win by small margins in key states...but were 'surprised in 2016. Thats your view.
What separates 2016 from 2020 is The Elephant in the room, Covid induced Mail-In Ballots. How the GOP allowed themselves to be steamrolled by this, last July and August, all in the name of contrived public safety, is beyond rational, to me. All these recounts are BS and just giving False Hope, these Machines NEED to be AUDITED! It just appears to me that Trump's Lawyers have been unable to break that barrier, thus far.
I hope like h3ll I'm wrong, but it's over. Let's build something better, now is the time.
Try and explain that to meatloaves who swear that because Trump beat Hillary in 2016, that's proof positive the Democrats did not cheat at all in 2020.
If that seems idiotic, then welcome to the life of me.
I don't know how you do it. Seriously. :shrug:
I refuse to give up. Not much more to it than that. If the Rats pull off the steal, then I'll don my "Dissident" shirt (have it on right now) and begin the true resistance movement.
Yeah, my friend in Houston sent me a MAGA hat. I'll have to send off for one of those T-shirts, but with that and the hat, I should be right behind you on that cattle car ramp-to-da-camp....lol.
Here's where I got mine....
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I refuse to give up. Not much more to it than that. If the Rats pull off the steal, then I'll don my "Dissident" shirt (have it on right now) and begin the true resistance movement.
I refuse to give up. Not much more to it than that. If the Rats pull off the steal, then I'll don my "Dissident" shirt (have it on right now) and begin the true resistance movement.
Yeah and why didn't they pull the same fraud in 2016... with the first female president and all that?Who is 'they'?
I think that it's entirely predicated on what Trump does in 2021, should he lose, @libertybele He's proven a thousand times that he can suck almost all of the air out of a Room, or a Movement.
Mark Thiessen, in this morning's paper:---------------------------
" Trump didn't lose the election because of a Cuban-Venezuelen-Chinese-Clinton-Soros conspiracy. He lost because he alienated millions of voters who approved of his policies but did not vote for him because they were tired of chaos."
Funny, I said something similar just the other day. And from my vantage point - the middle class suburbs - that result could be seen a mile away. As Mr. Thiessen points out,"The facts speak for themselves: In 2016, Trump won suburban voters by 2 percentage points; in 2020 he lost them by 10. This shift proved decisive in key swing states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia."
Right on the mark. The turn away from the GOP in the suburbs is the untold story of this election that needs to be addressed as soon as possible. And in these parts, Trump remains poison, as he wildly challenges the election results and selfishly ignores the big picture: two Senate seats in Georgia that, if lost, will prove the death knell for all those Trump policies that have restored prosperity even in the face of a pandemic.
On a serious note, any organized "Resistance" will have to jump into their DeLorians and go back in time.
No cell phones...no computer emails. Only the use of GPS in order to track your quarry.
And only use automobiles with plugs, points and condensers. :police: :laugh:
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Thiesssen and yourself are on the mark.
Yet Trump's attitude and behavior should be unsurprising, as he
has been a self-absorbed and neurotic Narcissist since the womb.
Sadly the R leadership missed a wonderous opportunity to rid
themselves of him during impeachment, had they the foresight.
Great leaders understand that they must seize the moment!!!
Mark Thiessen, in this morning's paper:
" Trump didn't lose the election because of a Cuban-Venezuelen-Chinese-Clinton-Soros conspiracy. He lost because he alienated millions of voters who approved of his policies but did not vote for him because they were tired of chaos."
Funny, I said something similar just the other day. And from my vantage point - the middle class suburbs - that result could be seen a mile away. As Mr. Thiessen points out, "The facts speak for themselves: In 2016, Trump won suburban voters by 2 percentage points; in 2020 he lost them by 10. This shift proved decisive in key swing states such as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia."
Right on the mark. The turn away from the GOP in the suburbs is the untold story of this election that needs to be addressed as soon as possible. And in these parts, Trump remains poison, as he wildly challenges the election results and selfishly ignores the big picture: two Senate seats in Georgia that, if lost, will prove the death knell for all those Trump policies that have restored prosperity even in the face of a pandemic.
Personally, I prefer 'torr' or 'mm Hg'. But for all the metric system fans, 'bar' is equivalent to 100 kPa or 0.987 atm.Just 0.013 atm from being full of hot air....(DC is purt'near Sea level)
He says he hasn't seen enough evidence.
I would ask him what the DOJ has done by way of investigating this election. Has he been looking?
I don't know, I haven't heard.
What is the margin of victory in AZ, 10k votes? In MI, 150k votes? GA - 12k votes? PA, 80k votes? WI, 20k votes?
There's not alot of fraud required to swing things there, I'm not AG but I've heard plenty of circumstantial evidence. I'm not sure how Barr can make such an assertion.
In 2016 they underestimated how many fraudulent votes they’d need to drag Cankles to a victory.
In 2020 they underestimated how many votes Trump got.
Hence the reason the bot counting in four states magically stopped in the middle of the night and when it resumed suddenly Biden has this massive “leadâ€.
How many of that 97% are actual "climate scientists"? And how many are actually working in that field? And since when did science start being governed by "consensus"?@txradioguy
In 2016 they underestimated how many fraudulent votes they’d need to drag Cankles to a victory. In 2020 they underestimated how many votes Trump got. Hence the reason the bot counting in four states magically stopped in the middle of the night and when it resumed suddenly Biden has this massive “leadâ€.
The above is incorrect. Numerous states could not count mail ballots until after the polls close for regular voting. Once the polls were shut down, Central Counting began evaluating mail ballots and those numbers were added to the count as they worked all night to get the mail ballots in the count. That is what caused the numbers to go so high overnight.
Well, you've sure got the leftie talking points down pat re: the massive election fraud that occurred. Thanks for the honesty, at least. Especially since the numbers got "so high" only AFTER the rats sent the Republican observers away. Funny/odd, that.
Is it coincidental that the same process seemed to play out at the same time and only in 4 or 5 key swing states?
I can only presume that you're asking a rhetorical question....since the obvious answer is...Yes, I'm being rhetorical.
no. When it comes to the radical leftists and their penchant for corruption, cheating and illegalities...
there are no coincidences.
I just want to know who gave that "order".
Yes, I'm being rhetorical.
Even more significantly, the same process played out only in a handful of key counties in 4 or 5 key states. It doesn't take much imagination to understand what happened.
Is it coincidental that the same process seemed to play out at the same time and only in 4 or 5 key swing states?
And at the exact same time. This required national cooridination.This is what Giuliani has been publicly alleging - a concerted effort by the nat'l democrat party.
And yet... so many (even right here at this forum) refuse to admit to or acknowledge that "what happened".
This is what Giuliani has been publicly alleging - a concerted effort by the nat'l democrat party.
Go back to the Election thread, and read what happens about 12:30 a.m. CDT. RIV and I were here manning the thread. Trump was maintaining sizeable leads in GA, OH, PA, MI, AZ, WI..... And at an exact moment, vote counting stopped in all those states at the EXACT same time. I had 6 tabs going on my PC monitoring this, and had the remote thumbing between all the networks. Another strange point? At that exact time, each network went from the counts to maps, where each network had a pundit explain where Biden had strengths and advantages in each.
I watched it, I witnessed it. Read what RIV and I were saying. I am certain something happened to sway the election.
Absolutely ridiculous and asinine.
The above is incorrect. Numerous states could not count mail ballots until after the polls close for regular voting. Once the polls were shut down, Central Counting began evaluating mail ballots and those numbers were added to the count as they worked all night to get the mail ballots in the count. That is what caused the numbers to go so high overnight.
On Tuesday, Trump’s supporters, including a number of high-profile conservatives, were understandably upset when many mainstream media networks reported that U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr and the Department of Justice had concluded their investigations into voter and ballot fraud only to turn up nothing of significance.
However, that line of reporting — as badly as the media wanted it to be true — was outright false, according to The Post Millennial. It’s true that, so far, the DOJ hasn’t discovered any fraudulent activity on a scale that would actually reverse results in any of the battleground states, but that wasn’t to conclude that the investigations were finished.
Not surprisingly, the mainstream media seized the moment after the DOJ’s initial statement, claiming that it was especially “notable†as it had been issued by Barr, one of Trump’s closest allies in his inner-circle.
“Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated. The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible,†a DOJ spokesperson wrote.
Absolutely ridiculous and asinine.Not at all. All four states stopped with Trump leading. All four states continued to count even though they said they'd stopped. All four had 'miraculous' vote dumps for Biden. The more you dig, the worse it gets, with consistent additions of votes in the same ratios, with ballots being delivered in the middle of the night, and observers dismissed (or chased off) before any of that.
Not at all. All four states stopped with Trump leading. All four states continued to count even though they said they'd stopped. All four had 'miraculous' vote dumps for Biden. The more you dig, the worse it gets, with consistent additions of votes in the same ratios, with ballots being delivered in the middle of the night, and observers dismissed (or chased off) before any of that.
Wrong! Had ALL the GOP stood behind Trump and did their darn jobs, especially when they had the full majority in both houses, we would be looking at a very very different country right now; a return of our country to the people and our Constitution once again held in high esteem.-------------------------------
Paul Ryan and cronies are traitors.
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They did NOT say the same for Congressional R's who will most likely control
the Senate and come very close to control of the House. Fact, not an opinion!
@txradioguy------------------------------
My Bob is an earth scientist/physicist/geologist. He has been an earth physics professor. He says humans cannot affect built-in universal cycles. In his work, wherever you live, he has likely been in that area. He was all over the earth for 30 years.
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Intuitive per usual.
While not a Scientist, many in my family are, each of whom would affirm that the Almighty created everything in the Universe, among them Nature.
Further they would affirm that the notion that Man is superior to Nature is a conceit too brainless
for words.
From RCP...------------------------
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
Georgia Senate Run-Off Election - Perdue vs. Ossoff WXIA-TV/SurveyUSA Perdue 48, Ossoff 50 Ossoff +2
Georgia Senate Special Election Run-Off - Loeffler vs. Warnock WXIA-TV/SurveyUSA Warnock 52, Loeffler 45 Warnock +7
And yet... so many (even right here at this forum) refuse to admit to or acknowledge that "what happened".
And at the exact same time. This required national cooridination.
Absolutely ridiculous and asinine.
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After the polling performance of this election, polls should be suspect but hardly for some.
* In the Perdue /Ossoff race, Perdue won by 88,000 votes @ 49.7%
* In the Loeffler (+Collins/R ) Warnock race, she won by 636,000 votes @ 59%.
The only reason Loeffler and Purdue are not already seated in the Senate is because of Georgia's quirky 50% Rule. Your poll belongs in the garbage.
Yes, you certainly are.
That's because they're all ardent Never Trumpers with acute terminal butt hurt who for the most part have been 'hiding' in our basement for the better part of the past 4 years here.
Now, they feel 'brave' enough to show their pig snouts seeing allied support for their ignorant hate-filled pie holes.
Yes, you certainly are.
That's because they're all ardent Never Trumpers with acute terminal butt hurt who for the most part have been 'hiding' in our basement for the better part of the past 4 years here.Yeah, one of the qualities of supposed allies that is compelling me to quit the GOP altogether and just focus on mine only. I can stand the weasels no longer.
Now, they feel 'brave' enough to show their pig snouts seeing allied support for their ignorant hate-filled pie holes.
I think back to 2016 and the confidence and behavior of the rats leading up to that night, Hillary neglecting to campaign in key states etc, as well as their reaction afterwards.That pretty well sums it up, imho.
It all makes the theory they thought they had that race in the bag, too, but underestimated the amount of fraud required to win extremely believable.
There are remarkable similarities between that election and this election, except the COVID wrinkle and the election night stopping dumps, and restarting of tabulating in key states.
Is it coincidental that the same process seemed to play out at the same time and only in 4 or 5 key swing states?Well, they only broke the toilet in georgia... :shrug:
It's actually 4-5 Democrat-run cities/counties in said Swing States...so let's narrow it down a bit. :beer:I strongly suspect some level of fraud took place in Democrat heavy precincts in most of the country. You, regardless, still have to keep up the pretense of popularity in democrat enclaves in order to support the fraud elsewhere. It makes no difference in the electoral process, in that the electoral votes go with the state unless the City has the greater population, but it makes the support level seem to be less anomalous.
...and there you have it...that's all folks!
I’m sure your post makes complete sense to CNN’s audience and others with no capacity for critical thought. Others might consider it a tad sophistic.
Because Trump, the outsider, had only the GOPe and deep state beltway denizens to choose from and depend upon. He was screwed from the outset. I’m amazed he did as well as he did.
@skeeter:laugh:
You misspelled the word "actual".
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3ohBV8qkSl8cfN3kU8/giphy.gif)SHIITE! And I thought wrestling when I was a kid was ridiculous, seeing what they do now makes me long for the days of wrestling at the Olympic Auditorium with Dick Lane(after his film career) Johnny 'Red Shoes' Dugan and Freddie Blassie, John Tolos, Earl Maynard Mr. Universe, Man Mountain Mike and the like.
SHIITE! And I thought wrestling when I was a kid was ridiculous, seeing what they do now makes me long for the days of wrestling at the Olympic Auditorium with Dick Lane(after his film career) Johnny 'Red Shoes' Dugan and Freddie Blassie, John Tolos, Earl Maynard Mr. Universe, Man Mountain Mike and the like.It was Ernie Ladd of NFL fame, and Tony Borne for me at the old Austin Coliseum. Had a guest bear wrestle as well at times.
@Jazzhead
It's hard for some to admit someone they put all their hopes behind had some serious character and behavior problems that cost him the election. My wife is convinced trump lost because of fraud. Not that I don't believe folks may have some legitimate questions regarding the election. But yes, if voter fraud was the reason why Trump lost then why did they "allow" the GOP to do well downticket in a year that, on paper, was going to be a tough one for the GOP?
Well of course. The fraud didn't extend down ballot? That's absurd on its face.You conveniently forgot this part
But let's back up a bit. AG Barr didn't say there wasn't any fraud; indeed there may have been substantial fraud. Nor did he say that the Justice Department was wrapping up its investigation. What he said was, almost a month following the election, that there was no evidence of fraud at the kind of level that would change the results of the election.
In other words, it is time to accept reality. Or, I guess, one of two versions of reality.
The American tradition has long been to accept the results of the election as the verdict of the people, a force, polity, greater than the tribal concerns of the parties. Keep up the fight, but on the new battleground established by the results of the election. After all, the situation may well be reversed in two or four years.
The new, subversive tradition was established by Stacey Abrams. Never concede, never acknowledge the outcome of the vote, and claim that the peoples' verdict was illegitimate and unworthy of respect. Now Trump is following that playbook to the letter, with the same poisonous results, the same subversion of faith and confidence in democratic norms.
I think all of us will likely agree that Abrams' play was that of a selfish scumbag, both dangerous and destructive of the fabric the holds our polyglot nation together. But only a handful here will say the same of the President, and indeed will admonish the few of who do as disloyal to the tribe.
My loyalty is to the Republic, not Donald Trump. If that's not you as well then you ought to think long and hard of the consequences of such naked hypocrisy.
Well of course. The fraud didn't extend down ballot? That's absurd on its face.If you have no fealty to the truth your loyalty is worthless. Ponder that.
But let's back up a bit. AG Barr didn't say there wasn't any fraud; indeed there may have been substantial fraud. Nor did he say that the Justice Department was wrapping up its investigation. What he said was, almost a month following the election, that there was no evidence of fraud at the kind of level that would change the results of the election.
In other words, it is time to accept reality. Or, I guess, one of two versions of reality.
The American tradition has long been to accept the results of the election as the verdict of the people, a force, polity, greater than the tribal concerns of the parties. Keep up the fight, but on the new battleground established by the results of the election. After all, the situation may well be reversed in two or four years.
The new, subversive tradition was established by Stacey Abrams. Never concede, never acknowledge the outcome of the vote, and claim that the peoples' verdict was illegitimate and unworthy of respect. Now Trump is following that playbook to the letter, with the same poisonous results, the same subversion of faith and confidence in democratic norms.
I think all of us will likely agree that Abrams' play was that of a selfish scumbag, both dangerous and destructive of the fabric the holds our polyglot nation together. But only a handful here will say the same of the President, and indeed will admonish the few of who do as disloyal to the tribe.
My loyalty is to the Republic, not Donald Trump. If that's not you as well then you ought to think long and hard of the consequences of such naked hypocrisy.
If you have no fealty to the truth your loyalty is worthless. Ponder that.
If you have no fealty to the truth your loyalty is worthless. Ponder that.
You can't handle the truth, sir. Don't drag the rest of us into your pernicious vision for America. Stacy Abrams was wrong. So are you.Us? Hilarious.
You can't handle the truth, sir. Don't drag the rest of us into your pernicious vision for America.
Hello pot...this is kettle...
Is there anyone else noticing that even post election we have a handfull of members here who are slamming Trump 10 X versus Biden or say any other democrat or liberal? Hmmmm...
Well of course. The fraud didn't extend down ballot? That's absurd on its face.Permit me to exercise my futility as much as you have overworked your towel throwing arm.
But let's back up a bit. AG Barr didn't say there wasn't any fraud; indeed there may have been substantial fraud. Nor did he say that the Justice Department was wrapping up its investigation. What he said was, almost a month following the election, that there was no evidence of fraud at the kind of level that would change the results of the election.
In other words, it is time to accept reality. Or, I guess, one of two versions of reality.
The American tradition has long been to accept the results of the election as the verdict of the people, a force, polity, greater than the tribal concerns of the parties. Keep up the fight, but on the new battleground established by the results of the election. After all, the situation may well be reversed in two or four years.
The new, subversive tradition was established by Stacey Abrams. Never concede, never acknowledge the outcome of the vote, and claim that the peoples' verdict was illegitimate and unworthy of respect. Now Trump is following that playbook to the letter, with the same poisonous results, the same subversion of faith and confidence in democratic norms.
I think all of us will likely agree that Abrams' play was that of a selfish scumbag, both dangerous and destructive of the fabric the holds our polyglot nation together. But only a handful here will say the same of the President, and indeed will admonish the few of who do as disloyal to the tribe.
My loyalty is to the Republic, not Donald Trump. If that's not you as well then you ought to think long and hard of the consequences of such naked hypocrisy.
Well of course. The fraud didn't extend down ballot? That's absurd on its face.
But let's back up a bit. AG Barr didn't say there wasn't any fraud; indeed there may have been substantial fraud. Nor did he say that the Justice Department was wrapping up its investigation. What he said was, almost a month following the election, that there was no evidence of fraud at the kind of level that would change the results of the election.
In other words, it is time to accept reality. Or, I guess, one of two versions of reality.
The American tradition has long been to accept the results of the election as the verdict of the people, a force, polity, greater than the tribal concerns of the parties. Keep up the fight, but on the new battleground established by the results of the election. After all, the situation may well be reversed in two or four years.
The new, subversive tradition was established by Stacey Abrams. Never concede, never acknowledge the outcome of the vote, and claim that the peoples' verdict was illegitimate and unworthy of respect. Now Trump is following that playbook to the letter, with the same poisonous results, the same subversion of faith and confidence in democratic norms.
I think all of us will likely agree that Abrams' play was that of a selfish scumbag, both dangerous and destructive of the fabric the holds our polyglot nation together. But only a handful here will say the same of the President, and indeed will admonish the few of who do as disloyal to the tribe.
My loyalty is to the Republic, not Donald Trump. If that's not you as well then you ought to think long and hard of the consequences of such naked hypocrisy.
Is there anyone else noticing that even post election we have a handfull of members here who are slamming Trump 10 X versus Biden or say any other democrat or liberal? Hmmmm...
Is there anyone else noticing that even post election we have a handfull of members here who are slamming Trump 10 X versus Biden or say any other democrat or liberal? Hmmmm...
Well I despise Stacy Abrams as a dangerous and destructive sore loser. And you apparently are demanding we replicate her tactics and disrespect for the people.
I don't like it that Biden trounced Trump to the tune of seven million votes. Perhaps we should consider just why that was and how to change things for the future.
Evidence has been presented to you many, many times that there are likely millions of illegal and "switched" ballots, so I have a cattle-sized salt block handy for reading posts like this one.
And I should believe such evidence - why?
To demonstrate that you have the ability to think, and that 'truth is something you value?
It's like having a bunch of McStain mini-mes.
To demonstrate that you have the ability to think, and that 'truth is something you value?
And I should believe such evidence - why? Forgive me for insisting on information from reputable sources. Right wing kook media I will believe if and when their charges are echoed by the Wall St Journal, National Review or credible actors like AG Barr.
To demonstrate that you have the ability to think, and that 'truth is something you value?
And they think you're the fool for not believing frontpage or gateway pundit...they believe without question everything fed to them from epoch times.
And I should believe such evidence - why? Forgive me for insisting on information from reputable sources. Right wing kook media I will believe if and when their charges are echoed by the Wall St Journal, National Review or credible actors like AG Barr.
Do you value truth, or only that "truth" that scratches your itch? I reject kook media unless and until it is confirmed by sources I know to be reliable.
And they think you're the fool for not believing frontpage or gateway pundit...they believe without question everything fed to them from epoch times.
And they think you're the fool for not believing frontpage or gateway pundit...they believe without question everything fed to them from epoch times.
Oh come on, man. Admit the truth for once. Hell, even Dementia Biden admits the absolute truth on rare occasions. Truth is... you reject anything or anyone that says Trump didn't lose this election.
And you reject overwhelming evidence that he did.
And you reject overwhelming evidence that he did.
And I should believe such evidence - why? Forgive me for insisting on information from reputable sources. Right wing kook media I will believe if and when their charges are echoed by the Wall St Journal, National Review or credible actors like AG Barr.
As you are (apparently) believing everything spewed at you from SeeBS, CNN (Commie News Network), and from all the other leftist Pravda substitutes.
Thing is.... we on the right (not you) know how much, how often and how consistently the leftist lamestream media lies. You should probably try to catch up to that reality.
Why do such a "healthy" portion of Republicans label everything on the left as communism. Do you people know what communism is?
There are none so blind as those that will not see.
The Wall Street Journal and National Review...explains a lot. They have the same squish moderate worldview as you do. They also dislike Trump as much as you do.
You won't believe anything unless it's from your favorite echo chamber news sources.
Duly noted.
Tell me...how much of the sworn testimony that's been broadcast in Michigan and Georgia have you watched and heard first hand statements from people that were there on election night.
I'm guessing the answer is not one minute.
I'll reiterate what I said above...there's none so blind...
You bet we do, and we also know that "Socialism" is a gateway drug. As PJ O'Rourke has said, "Socialism is Communism sold by the drink. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand conservatives. You have certainly not demonstrated any evidence that you do.
Why do such a "healthy" portion of Republicans label everything on the left as communism. Do you people know what communism is?
CNN slants left but it in no way is communist. Neither were biden, obama, or Clinton.
Labelling everything as communist takes away from reasoned argument. Its like leftists calling Republicans nazis. It's stupid and counterproductive.
But id believe CNN before OAN.
Polls all said biden would win in the EC and popular vote. He did. Its the American voter, not some absurd fraud conspiracy theory. Open your eyes.
Republicans needed to show integrity and come through with health care plans and a stimulus package to win. We didn't. Thats on trump.
Again - the issue isn't that fraud did not occur. It is that there is no credible evidence that it arose to a level that would even come close to changing the result. Biden won. Trump lost. By over 7 million votes. That's not me saying that, or even the WSJ. It is the American people.
You don't have to like it. Just respect their decision. Or be a whining, destructive sore loser like Stacey Abrams.
Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way. Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.
Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy.
We are in a mixed economy. I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism. Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.
Words mean things.
Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way. Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.
Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy.
We are in a mixed economy. I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism. Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.
Words mean things.
As I expected, you took a swing at my point, and whiffed the ball. :rolling:
Again - the issue isn't that fraud did not occur. It is that there is no credible evidence that it arose to a level that would even come close to changing the result. Biden won. Trump lost. By over 7 million votes. That's not me saying that, or even the WSJ. It is the American people.
The Republican poll watchers’ story matches this election night reporting perfectly. And it wasn’t just ABC that reported counting was being delayed. Many media outlets reported on counting delays. See, for example, “Fulton County stopped counting absentee ballots for the night.â€
Local NBC journalists on site that night independently confirmed “they were told counting was done for the night†and given no indication it would continue before the next morning. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution even reported of a “plan†to stop scanning ballots at the same time the poll watchers said things were shut down:
You don't have to like it. Just respect their decision. Or be a whining, destructive sore loser like Stacey Abrams.
No, he hit it out of the park. Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.
No, he hit it out of the park. Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.
@Jazzhead
Here's but one example. You had made the claim that in your own county, voters who voted for Trump in 2016 abandoned him in 2020. But when you were confronted with Montgomery County vote totals from each election showing that support for Trump grew from 2016 to 2020, you suddenly went silent with no acknowledgement that the FACTS presented to you were in conflict with your claim.
A week later, you reappeared, again offering the claim that Montgomery County's 2016 Trump voters abandoned him in 2020. Again, you were confronted with Montgomery vote totals that contradicted your claim, and again you went silent, only to resurface today.
Now step outside of yourself for a moment and consider how others view that behavior. Each time you are confronted with truth, you run away from it, disappear for a few days, and then return with a chronic case of amnesia.
I see you are still making points with the truthfulness and clarity I've come to expect. :seeya:
To be honest, the last time he "disappeared" was Management's doing. **nononono*
Well I see more than one zebra is showing his stripes today. AOC is delighted with this TBR infiltration.
BTW...did you even bother to read the 2020 democratic plank this year? Tell mme how much of that was liberalism, or hinging on socialism
Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way. Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.
Progressive Democrats ramp up attacks on private equityhttps://thehill.com/hilltv (https://thehill.com/hilltv)
Biden retirement proposal would upend traditional 401(k) planshttps://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/24/biden-retirement-proposal-would-upend-traditional-401k-plans/ (https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/24/biden-retirement-proposal-would-upend-traditional-401k-plans/)
Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy
We are in a mixed economy. I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism. Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.
Words mean things.
I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.
I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.
No, he hit it out of the park.
Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.
According to commie-symps, it ain't "socialism" if people ain't being loaded onto cattle-cars on the way to the Gulags. Now, shut up, calm down, knuckle under and hand over your guns like a good boy. 9999hair out0000
I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.
Again - the issue isn't that fraud did not occur. It is that there is no credible evidence that it arose to a level that would even come close to changing the result. Biden won. Trump lost. By over 7 million votes. That's not me saying that, or even the WSJ. It is the American people.
You don't have to like it. Just respect their decision. Or be a whining, destructive sore loser like Stacey Abrams.
Speaking of which.... it's no wonder that Jazzy seems to be on-board with a Biden win... since Biden has said he will "tax" guns owned by Americans....
just like Jazzy has been wanting all along.
Speaking of which.... it's no wonder that Jazzy seems to be on-board with a Biden win... since Biden has said he will "tax" guns owned by Americans....
just like Jazzy has been wanting all along.
Calculate what tabulation machines in 26 states converting every Trump vote to .87 votes and every Biden vote to 1.13 votes can do and get back to me.
You also have to understand that Jazzy...along with his pet puppy Knox aren't even little R republicans.
They are Progressive Democrats through and through.
You wish
How do you tell a Communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
You also have to understand that Jazzy...along with his pet puppy Knox aren't even little R republicans.
They are Progressive Democrats through and through.
You betcha. And considering that this is supposed to be a Conservative forum....
that qualifies them as "troll" status.... eh? It's ok. Every forum has to have at least a few. For diversity.
Calculate what tabulation machines in 26 states converting every Trump vote to .87 votes and every Biden vote to 1.13 votes can do and get back to me.
I don't mind them here at all. It's kind of like Killer Whales playiing toss with a seal.
I don't mind them here at all. It's kind of like Killer Whales playiing toss with a seal.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/3b64c86db139b1b11f097b3055f0ea7b/tenor.gif?itemid=16341785)
In Montgomery County, Pennsylvania alone, correcting this would net Trump over 64,000 votes. Add Chester County, and Trump nets another 40,000 votes. Just those two counties alone are enough for Trump to win Pennsylvania. So when @Jazzhead says that it isn't enough to sway the election, he is lying.
You betcha. And considering that this is supposed to be a Conservative forum....
that qualifies them as "troll" status.... eh? It's ok. Every forum has to have at least a few. For diversity.
In about his 30th post, Knox27 admitted he was a MSM sheeple. So what do you expect from an individual who bases his POV and thoughts around sourcing that is nothing but a packs of lies?
Liberal trolls show up for various reasons. Some do in hopes of getting banned immediately in order to "own the Cons" for being intolerant of other views. DU was good at that when I was at Conservative Underground and Conservative Cave. The Viking Kitties cleaned up a few trolls like that at TOS as well.
Others come here to try and dazzle us with their brilliant thought on why things should be the way they want them...again in order to make you and I out to be intolerant racist bigots/homophobes/xenophobes for not agreeing with them.
The ones we have here right now want to convince us that the party will be better off with a Dem Lite squish like Kasich or Jeb because of their "common sense" approach to working together in DC.
Again...with the end result of making the rest of us appearing intolerant and inflexible.
I think they voted for Shortbus Joe.
California AB 5
Obamacare
They hate private equity firms:
https://thehill.com/hilltv (https://thehill.com/hilltv)
Biden has vowed to repeal the PLCAA
They also want your 401K
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/24/biden-retirement-proposal-would-upend-traditional-401k-plans/ (https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/24/biden-retirement-proposal-would-upend-traditional-401k-plans/)
Except it's not. I've spent my entire life dealing with the media. The majority of them...a good 90-05% hate normal Americans and think AOC's proposals don't go far enough. They believe that any time Republicans score a huge political win (like the 1994 GOP takeover of the House) America...in the words of Peter Jennings is having a "tantrum".
You only have to look at what stories the media promotes and the ones they ignore or spike all together to know what their true feelings are.
And everything they support...is socialist/communist in nature and outcome.
Means to an end. Their goal is Socialist utopia. The Cloward-Piven strategy at work.
And yet you ignore the words that are put out there every day by the media that show what you're denying.
Perhaps you should actually read some of those words.
"Magafanatic" was worse than that. He came on here to convince people to throw both Senate seats in GA away, in order to flip the Senate. He got the bum's rush in less than 10 posts.
Liberal trolls show up for various reasons. Some do in hopes of getting banned immediately in order to "own the Cons" for being intolerant of other views. DU was good at that when I was at Conservative Underground and Conservative Cave. The Viking Kitties cleaned up a few trolls like that at TOS as well.
Others come here to try and dazzle us with their brilliant thought on why things should be the way they want them...again in order to make you and I out to be intolerant racist bigots/homophobes/xenophobes for not agreeing with them.
The ones we have here right now want to convince us that the party will be better off with a Dem Lite squish like Kasich or Jeb because of their "common sense" approach to working together in DC.
Again...with the end result of making the rest of us appearing intolerant and inflexible.
In about his 30th post, Knox27 admitted he was a MSM sheeple. So what do you expect from an individual who bases his POV and thoughts around sourcing that is nothing but a packs of lies?
So to be very clear. Your first two examples of socialism are:
...
@Knox27
Playing with definitions is a refuge of the scoundrels.
Facts too it seems here
So to be very clear. Your first two examples of socialism are:
1. A California bill that reclassifies independent contractors to employees (of the private business). Its close to socialism to be fair, arguably the definition of excessive govt regulation but still only state level. Its a bad law, its highly contested even in super liberal California. Its also the. Only. Thing. You. Found. One thing.
2. Obamacare, an idea that originated in a conservative think tank that requires people to buy private non govt run insurance much the same that you're required to buy car insurance to drive on public roads. Very much not socialism but since the Democrat passed it, you dont care, ipso facto its socialistic to you. Not the best solution to our problems maybe, but not socialism
What else did you mention...ahh biden wants to repeal the law that the government used to shield gun manufacturers. So in your head, the law that the govt enacted that said you couldn't sue a private business was not socialism, but repealing that law is socialism??
Is that right? Is that actually how you see that law? The repeal of which to you is socialism? Seriously that's your best example?
Also also im not saying I agree with the repeal. But that ain't socialism.
Further more you just lie and make up numbers withiut any source about members of the media, who are assuredly more sympathetic to the left than the avg American. But to say most are to the left of the squad is frankly retarded to use a word im hearing I shouldn't use anymore.
The answer to the press’ myopia lies elsewhere, and nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,†Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,†Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no bleep idea what’s going on.â€
Socialism is not imminent, its not even close. Not on the horizon. Read about the definitions of mixed economies, pure capitalism, socialism, state capitalism, welfare capitalism because some aspects of some of those systems are actually a potential concern. Not the socialism one. Is a boogeyman for stupid people here.
I don't mind them here at all. It's kind of like Killer Whales playiing toss with a seal.
Facts too it seems here
"Magafanatic" was worse than that. He came on here to convince people to throw both Senate seats in GA away, in order to flip the Senate. He got the bum's rush in less than 10 posts.
In keeping with that theme, I wonder if @Jazzhead, who claims to be a lawyer in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, would explain to us what the Constitution of his state requires for election law to be changed.
I read msm but you're the one that knows to label people as sheeple. Its beyond my knowledge and imagination to know that I was mindlessly part of a herd lapping up fake news.
Elections 2020 / Re: Donald Trump: ‘Facts Are on Our Side’ in Election Fight, but ‘Time Isn’t’
« on: November 28, 2020, 10:16:37 AM »
"A variety of places. Including places you would scoff at because its not solely epoch times, gateway pundit, or frontpage magazine. Yes that means I'll read the WSJ, NYT, the atlantic, drudge, the AP, the economist, axios, the hill. I know... im a sheep for listening to the lamestream media.
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Your repsonse around your source of news...... Your words not mine......
Lol serves me right for being a sarcastic bleep.
@txradioguy
And that same study had 28 percent identify as democrat and 50 percent self identify as independent yet you claim the vast majority are to the left of the squad. Blather. Cant believe i have to take the medias position. Disgusting. Noteworthy as to who im arguing against though. Thats what I deserve for thinking its stupid and counterproductive to label cnn as communist. But facts are facts and its apparently the hill im dying on.
Of the 430 people CPI identified as "journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism," 96 percent gave money to Clinton, according to federal campaign finance filings. Those 430 journalists gave $382,000 to Clinton and just $14,000 to GOP nominee Donald Trump. CPI identified just 50 journalists who gave to Trump (meaning 380 gave to Clinton.)
CPI noted that the law only obligates candidates to disclose the names of donors giving more than $200 in a single election cycle, meaning many more members of the media could have donated to either campaign, but in smaller amounts.
Journalists dole out cash to politicians (quietly)
Whether you sample your news feed from ABC or CBS (or, yes, even NBC and MSNBC), whether you prefer Fox News Channel or National Public Radio, The Wall Street Journal or The New Yorker, some of the journalists feeding you are also feeding cash to politicians, parties or political action committees.
Msnbc.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
The donors include CNN's Guy Raz, now covering the Pentagon for NPR, who gave to Kerry the same month he was embedded with U.S. troops in Iraq; New Yorker war correspondent George Packer; a producer for Bill O'Reilly at Fox; MSNBC TV host Joe Scarborough; political writers at Vanity Fair; the editor of The Wall Street Journal's weekend section; local TV anchors in Washington, Minneapolis, Memphis and Wichita; the ethics columnist at The New York Times; and even MTV's former presidential campaign correspondent.
Ok well that was 2013 numbers in an article by the heavily biased POLITICO...since you don't like that one...here's some more info.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/what-media-bias-journalists-overwhelmingly-donated-to-hillary-clinton (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/what-media-bias-journalists-overwhelmingly-donated-to-hillary-clinton)
Hmmm there's that percentage again. Pesky little reoccurring thing isn't it?
And then there is this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19113485 (https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna19113485)
If you want to make facts your "hill to die on" then you bette start dealing in facts and drop the fan fiction BS you're currently peddling.
Lol I guess they were better informed of how only a sucker gives money to Donald trump.
Needless to say 96 percent was looking at 2015 16 donations and was the high water mark for partisan contributions.
Like I said most are sympathetic to the left. Thats not communism and thats not left of the squad and thats not indicative of hating America. I can admit people on the other side if the fence love American but have different ideas for how it can prosper. So I stand firmly bu calling cnn commie news network is juvenile and counterproductive
If you were just trying to be sarcastic, you wouldn't have included a good sound reputable source like the WSJ. Blaming this on sarcasm reeks of dishonesty.
That would require doing Arithmetic, and lawyers are notoriously bad at that. :laugh:
No, we're bad at listening to unfettered bullshit.
I trust AG Barr.
No, we're bad at listening to unfettered bullshit. I trust AG Barr.
Screw Barr @Jazzhead Both of Trump's AG Appointments were crap, and for entirely different reasons, yet the same results: Disappointment.
Maybe Barr can meet on a plane with Sally Yates in the near future, in Arizona.
So I wasn't being sarcastic and do genuinely think of myself as sheeple? Is that your implication?
Well I despise Stacy Abrams as a dangerous and destructive sore loser. And you apparently are demanding we replicate her tactics and disrespect for the people.Why?
I don't like it that Biden trounced Trump to the tune of seven million votes. Perhaps we should consider just why that was and how to change things for the future.
And oddly enough, they have only doubled down on their BS. Hmm.....Or they are desperate to downplay the egregious violation of their offices and the public trust
seems that they are desperate to portray Trump as the loser here.
It's like having a bunch of McStain mini-mes.
Who are you referring to specifically? Seemed you got really nasty because I called the forumers in general a bunch of loonies. As you are a mod, you are allowed to do what you want and get away with it. Pretty hypocritical.
Who are you referring to specifically? Seemed you got really nasty because I called the forumers in general a bunch of loonies. As you are a mod, you are allowed to do what you want and get away with it. Pretty hypocritical.
No, we're bad at listening to unfettered bullshit. I trust AG Barr.
Who are you referring to specifically? Seemed you got really nasty because I called the forumers in general a bunch of loonies. As you are a mod, you are allowed to do what you want and get away with it. Pretty hypocritical.
I knew there was a reason I always tiptoed around @catfish1957 He's a GD Moderator.
Lol! This is what is known as..... pushing your luck..... poking the bear.... and cutting one's own cyber throat. But hey... by all means....
carry on. :silly:
I don't mind them here at all. It's kind of like Killer Whales playiing toss with a seal.
Yeah, that one's been shitting on me since I got the red boxes, but I don't care. My skin is thick. If it wasn't, people would have been gone some time ago.
Taking that crap off people comes with the Big Red Chair, and I'm fine with it because I made a solemn promise to the Boss Lady. I'm actually one of the safest people on TBR to antagonize, but just try and tell @Weird Tolkienish Figure and that other guy that. :laugh: :police:
(I only get angry when people personally attack Hero Members with no power.)
Why do such a "healthy" portion of Republicans label everything on the left as communism. Do you people know what communism is?
CNN slants left but it in no way is communist. Neither were biden, obama, or Clinton.
Labelling everything as communist takes away from reasoned argument. Its like leftists calling Republicans nazis. It's stupid and counterproductive.
No, he hit it out of the park. Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.
If Barr was worth a crap as DOJ, he would have been on this election fraud like white on rice November 4. But noooooo......
So anyone that says or thinks Barr is all that is either lying or a moron. :whistle:
I hope you are sitting down when you read this Bubba,but Nazism is a form of Communism. In FACT,the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies right up to the moment Hitler invaded the USSR. Suddenly,like Magic,Nazism became even to the 'murikan left fellow travelers,and since they could no longer associate Nazism as a positive political movement and ally to Communism,Nazism instantly became evil.
So,the communists started calling traditional Americans "Nazi's" to make them look evil in the eyes of the common people in order to help the Communist program to infiltrate American politics and daily life with Communist moles.
The prime difference between Nazism and Communism was that the Nazi's were happy to allow businessmen the freedom to build up businesses,as long as they cut the Nazi Party in on the profits.
They were also happy to close down any business that was failing,and turn it over to a relative or other party member to run.
The Communists were and are insanely jealous of anyone who has anything they don't,so they started working from Day One to destroy any successful business. Everyone would be equal in poverty. Except for the Commisars,of course. They were the ones that really "owned" the USSR. Unless of course one of them pissed off someone in the Politburo. That was a one-way ticket to eventual death at a labor camp,or quick death from a pistol shot to the head.
What it boils down to at the base is both were police states,and America was free. Americans even had the right to fail and just start over again.
@Jazzhead
Buy ya books and send ya to school,and you still don't learn how to think.
@Jazzhead
Buy ya books and send ya to school,and you still don't learn how to think.
Or maybe the fraud meme is well, fraud. The difference between the candidates was 7 million votes. And that doesn't include the Free Americans who voted for Jorgensen.
Why?
You loaded one up there.
Can you say Cheater?
He didn't need to. Folks are sick of Trump. And now we're stuck with the consequences.
I realize that you're fully invested in the BS that the election fraud didn't happen. However....
it did happen. And there is ample proof, video, sworn eye witness testimony, etc., that it happened. As butthole Biden would say.... you might want to gird your loins for your impending disappointment.
I realize that you're fully invested in the BS that the election fraud didn't happen. However....
it did happen. And there is ample proof, video, sworn eye witness testimony, etc., that it happened. As butthole Biden would say.... you might want to gird your loins for your impending disappointment.
The Dems are dishonest arseholes. But this isn't about them. The people rendered their verdict. And it was overwhelming and definitive. This wasn't a rejection of Republicans, or conservatives. It was a rejection of a man-child who refused to grow up.
Somebody has yet to deny he was at the counting center, hip-deep in the fraud. That's a vested interest in perpetuating the narrative.
The Dems are dishonest arseholes. But this isn't about them. The people rendered their verdict. And it was overwhelming and definitive. This wasn't a rejection of Republicans, or conservatives. It was a rejection of a man-child who refused to grow up.
Wow. Nazism was a form of communism? The nazi ideology, explicitly anti Marxist, strongly against labor unions and pro large (nazi supporting) corporations. Nazism, in which there was certainly no ideals or platitudes of a classless society. Nazism a form of Communism....
Who tells you this stuff?
Too many people are educated beyond the grasp of their intelligence.
@Cyber Liberty
I agree,but state it differently. I state it as "Too many people are educated beyond their ability to comprehend."
He didn't need to. Folks are sick of Trump. And now we're stuck with the consequences.
He didn't need to. Folks are sick of Trump. And now we're stuck with the consequences.
I hope you are sitting down when you read this Bubba,but Nazism is a form of Communism. In FACT,the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies right up to the moment Hitler invaded the USSR. Suddenly,like Magic,Nazism became evil to the 'murikan left fellow travelers,and since they could no longer associate Nazism as a positive political movement and ally to Communism,Nazism instantly became evil.
So,the communists started calling traditional Americans "Nazi's" to make them look evil in the eyes of the common people in order to help the Communist program to infiltrate American politics and daily life with Communist moles.
The prime difference between Nazism and Communism was that the Nazi's were happy to allow businessmen the freedom to build up businesses,as long as they cut the Nazi Party in on the profits.
They were also happy to close down any business that was failing,and turn it over to a relative or other party member to run.
The Communists were and are insanely jealous of anyone who has anything they don't,so they started working from Day One to destroy any successful business. Everyone would be equal in poverty. Except for the Commisars,of course. They were the ones that really "owned" the USSR. Unless of course one of them pissed off someone in the Politburo. That was a one-way ticket to eventual death at a labor camp,or quick death from a pistol shot to the head.
What it boils down to at the base is both were police states,and America was free. Americans even had the right to fail and just start over again.
Sorry, @sneakypete
Adolph absolutely hated the Communists with the heat of a thousand suns.
Sorry, @sneakypeteQuoteAdolph absolutely hated the Communists with the heat of a thousand suns.
@DCPatriot
What the HELL does that have to do with anything?
Nazism is nothing more than Communism that has evolved to the next step.
What we are experiencing today is the 3rd step in that evolution,with George Soros as the public face because the international banking families behind all this learned centuries ago to use proxies to do all the fighting and risk taking.
@DCPatriot
What the HELL does that have to do with anything?
Nazism is nothing more than Communism that has evolved to the next step.
What we are experiencing today is the 3rd step in that evolution,with George Soros as the public face because the international banking families behind all this learned centuries ago to use proxies to do all the fighting and risk taking.
What facts do you have to back that up?
80 million people voted for Joe biden because they loved Joe biden?You cannot even lie well, you know.
No, everyone hated trump. And not just them, seems like everyone who is around eventually sees the light and admits what he really is. Lawyer, sister, niece, secretary of state, national security advisor, fbi director, deputy director, communication director...
The Dems are dishonest arseholes. But this isn't about them. The people rendered their verdict. And it was overwhelming and definitive. This wasn't a rejection of Republicans, or conservatives. It was a rejection of a man-child who refused to grow up.We don't know what verdict the people rendered. The voting is compromised by the cheating, vote flipping, ballot box stuffing and other crap the Democrats have pulled. The People have not been heard over that noise, and the babblings of the MSM are meaningless partisan tripe.
80 million people voted for Joe biden because they loved Joe biden?We didn't hire him to be nice. We hired him to do a job. The FBI director was in on the Russia prosecution (persecution), a strictly partisan resistance to a duly elected President. It turns out many others entrenched in the Washington bureaucracies were using their positions to oppose the will of the people also.
No, everyone hated trump. And not just them, seems like everyone who is around eventually sees the light and admits what he really is. Lawyer, sister, niece, secretary of state, national security advisor, fbi director, deputy director, communication director...
We don't know what verdict the people rendered. The voting is compromised by the cheating, vote flipping, ballot box stuffing and other crap the Democrats have pulled. The People have not been heard over that noise, and the babblings of the MSM are meaningless partisan tripe.
If you were in any way a Conservative, you would be for fair and untainted elections.
If you are, well this wasn't one, and perhaps the most tainted national election, ever, here.
This is a shining example of vote fraud, the pride of banana republics everywhere, but hardly in America, unless you are a Communist trying to overthrow our Republic.
We didn't hire him to be nice. We hired him to do a job. The FBI director was in on the Russia prosecution (persecution), a strictly partisan resistance to a duly elected President. It turns out many others entrenched in the Washington bureaucracies were using their positions to oppose the will of the people also.
In the grand calculus of things, I deeply suspect the last election was heavily subject to the ministrations of the same sort of fraud, only without the added smokescreen of millions of mail in ballots which were not apparently as well screened, if at all, as they should have been, at least in the precincts where observers were denied the ability to observe. That accounts for the shock and disbelief among those who did vote for Clinton, who had all been told she had it. They underestimated the support for Trump, especially in key areas.
While determined to repeat the failures of history in re: Socialism, the Democrats learn from their personal failures. Hence the year long campaign to keep the virus in the forefront and the level of panic high to justify all sorts of behaviour which would never have been tolerated in a normal election. From imposing "social distancing" (If masks and partitions work, why six feet? why 30? why more?) No one could rig a camera and monitor so the observers could see what is being done? to mail in voting, no-excuse absentee ballots, ballots summarily mailed out to people on outdated voter rolls, and outright stuffing the box during claimed shutdowns, every possible means of fraudulent voting was apparently applied, right down to weighting the votes using the software in tabulation devices.
We know a minimum number of people who voted for Trump. We do not know how many more had their votes denigrated to a fraction by tabulation equipment, how many ballots from heavily pro Trump precincts were simply discarded, or who had their votes flipped by software.
We definitely do not know how many voted for Biden, legally, actually, voted within the constraints of the law, and how many of the totals we have been given were actually dead, nonexistent, moved outside the jurisdiction, or were "harvested" illegally. Some of those votes may be simple artifacts of fraud, and not connected to any person at all. Especially suspect are the pristine ballots described, mailed in without so much a a crease, and those only voting for the top of the ticket, but not for anyone in any of the other races. Even a president requires the support of a like minded Congress to move their agenda forward.
So you can come up with all sorts of explanations why you think Trump might have not had as many votes as Biden is claimed to have, but I think you are looking at the wrong part of the equation. I know in this area, out in flyover country, Trump garnered 82% of the vote for POTUS in this county, but we aren't typical.
We inherently understand the impact that banning hydraulic fracturing will have on the oil industry, the price of fuel, heating costs, and even electricity because we produce oil and gas here. We know where food comes from, after all we grow it. And we know no windmills will put crops in the ground, nor heat the country.
So while it is remotely possible that the sanctimonious bicoastals, high from huffing unicorn farts, did cast that many ballots for Biden without realizing they were only ensuring their own misery, I have serious and reasonable doubts that that is the case.
This was no triumph for socialism, it was a triumph of ordinary people rising up to demand a little common decency.
Here's what I've never seen - one party turning aside an incumbent in the White House, but utterly failing to achieve its other objectives. This was, in short, an anomalous election.
Trump could have saved his movement if he wanted to. He chose to throw it all away.
You silly little lemon aid from lemons POV doesn't mean jack shit if we lose the senate. A Biden presidency, Peolosi running the house, Schumer the senate, and AOC running the climate change policy? Tell me again about that great trimuph for ordinary people and common decency?
Your delusion is breath taking.
And this pleases me.
We absolutely must retain the Senate. To the extent Trump's and the Trumpsters' hissy fit creates a distraction from that objective, history will judge us harshly.
I am puzzled why you care. Focus your anger where it belongs - on Democrats.
There's no question the prosperity of the pre-pandemic Trump years won't be replicated anytime soon. I think many of us, certainly me, recognize the terrible bargain we've been presented. We will regret a lot of things once Trump is gone. But he had to be gone. The ties that bind have been ripped, replaced by the sorry symbiosis of Dems and Trump all daring the citizenry to reduce this election to a referendum on a man and his madness.This is no bargain, and I do not consent. At a minimum, 70 million (and I'd wager far more) Americans voted AGAINST that doddering crook Biden, and the socialist bitch slavering to take his place, which is the real end game.
And the citizenry obliged. Accept their verdict, and the sooner the pounding agony of the hangover will end.
You silly little lemon aid from lemons POV doesn't mean jack shit if we lose the senate. A Biden presidency, Peolosi running the house, Schumer the senate, and AOC running the climate change policy? Tell me again about that great trimuph for ordinary people and common decency?
Your delusion is breath taking.
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Communist are only 2nd cousins to Socialists.
Hitler wasn't interested to providing free lunch to the citizenry for their votes. He was a staunch Nationalist who believed in Aryan superiority.
Thus, the American Left's penchant to lie in the desire to compare Pres. Trump's MAGA to Germany's Nationalists.
Not the same Church...or pew. Not even the same league, nor sport.
Trump could have saved his movement if he wanted to. He chose to throw it all away.
We absolutely must retain the Senate. To the extent Trump's and the Trumpsters' hissy fit creates a distraction from that objective, history will judge us harshly.
80 million people voted for Joe biden because they loved Joe biden?
No, everyone hated trump. And not just them, seems like everyone who is around eventually sees the light and admits what he really is. Lawyer, sister, niece, secretary of state, national security advisor, fbi director, deputy director, communication director...
Doesn't look like we're retaining the Senate, because of the Jazz-approved cheating. Good work, Comrade!
Watch how quickly 74 million Americans follow him to a new political party, whether in 2021 or 2025.
You'll be left spewing your confused hate at tumbleweeds. And this pleases me.
I’m sure he’s heartbroken.
His hard work at the Philly Tabulating Center paid off. And who says midnight counting is a waste of time?
Quitting...as you have suggested he do for about a year now...doesn’t save anything.
@Right_in_Virginia
The coming death of the alleged Republican Party is the only semi-positive thing to come out of this. I can't wait to see how these selfish,self-centered SOB's react to how they are treated by the career Dims when they are forced to run as Dims in order to stay in office.
We,the people,MUST make sure these traitors are NOT allowed to apologize and join the new conservative party that emerges to replace the Republican's.
The GOP was successful this year up and down the ballot, defying all the polls. The only one who lost was the one who threw it away, and now seeks in a fit of unholy anger to stoke the whirlwind.
@Right_in_Virginia
The coming death of the alleged Republican Party is the only semi-positive thing to come out of this. I can't wait to see how these selfish,self-centered SOB's react to how they are treated by the career Dims when they are forced to run as Dims in order to stay in office.
We,the people,MUST make sure these traitors are NOT allowed to apologize and join the new conservative party that emerges to replace the Republican's.
The GOP was successful this year up and down the ballot, defying all the polls. The only one who lost was the one who threw it away, and now seeks in a fit of unholy anger to stoke the whirlwind.
Only the Republic. This tit for tat where the losing side won't respect the peoples' verdict is corrosive and ultimately destructive. There was a hand recount in Georgia that revealed no evidence of substantial corruption, yet Trump persists at ripping off scabs. Are you really calling on 73 million to wage war on 80 million? Have you lost your mind?
Only the Republic.
This tit for tat where the losing side won't respect the peoples' verdict is corrosive and ultimately destructive.
There was a hand recount in Georgia that revealed no evidence of substantial corruption, yet Trump persists at ripping off scabs.
Are you really calling on 73 million to wage war on 80 million? Have you lost your mind?
The GOP was successful this year up and down the ballot, defying all the polls. The only one who lost was the one who threw it away, and now seeks in a fit of unholy anger to stoke the whirlwind.
Pay attention, this is important. The President answered Senators Kelly's and Dave's clarion calls to hold a rally for their victory. The President and First Lady took Georgia by storm on Saturday and implored Georgians, with true Trump style and enthusiasm, to vote for both of them --- even using the TrumpTron to show the extremism of both democrat candidates.
The President called both Republican candidates to the stage and handed each one the microphone. And, here's the important part--- the crowd chased them off the stage with the spontaneous and raucous chant "Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!" Notice they didn't yell, "Win for Trump" ... but fight for Trump.
So here's who history will judge harshly: Your boy, the corrupt Governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp. I know you fancy yourself more clever than the average Georgian, but you're just more delusional. You can't tell Georgians we won't fight for your vote, you can't tell them their voice doesn't matter, and then turn around and demand they vote in the same election protocols that facilitated the electoral steal of the state from their candidate of choice, the President of the United States. Rational people don't like this.
So if you want to win in Georgia, you best be grabbing your establishment boys and demand they push Kemp to call a special session of Congress and his SOS to authorize a complete audit of signatures to ballots and envelopes ...or Georgia is very likely where your political party dies.
The choice is yours.
Video: https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1335396980806148100
Can you hear them now: Video: https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1335424270973820931
@Right_in_Virginia Jazzy doesn't really want the GOP to hold the Senate. For one if that were true he wouldn't be badmouthing the recount efforts the way he does.
And besides...with a Republican controlled Senate his precious gun grabbing and border opening legislation never gets passed.
So it's not in his best interest for the Republicans to retain the senate.
Jazzy is blowing smoke.
The successful GOP down ticket results indicate how strong and wide the President's coattails were. His 74+ million voters knew the mission was two-fold: Reelect the President and as the President made clear in dozens of rallies throw the Congressional Democrats out of office wherever you had the chance.
BTW, still waiting for you to explain how and what the President "threw away" .... and how he garnered at least 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.
If you won't fight for the President and the sanctity of my vote, you are worse than any Democrat.
@Right_in_Virginia
The steady non-relenting drumbeat of hate toward everything "Trump" for over 4 years essentially hypnotized the common American population.
Not those of us who are politically inclined, but the ones who only pay attention on Election Day.
STILL, it took blatant cheating. The Democrat Deep State might disagree with the adage that "Nothing good happens after midnight".100 MILLION Americans supposedly voted BEFORE Election Day. Only 130 million TOTAL cast ballots in 2016.
But things just took an interesting turn. :crossed: See here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,422131.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,422131.0.html)
I think Americans were watching what was happening these four years --- and saw a President absorb body blows day after day after day and STILL work for the American people, keeping his promises. Another 11+ million Americans decided the President had earned their votes. This election wasn't about tweets or style, no matter what the haters say ... it was about substance @DCPatriot
We would have been celebrating a landslide victory in the wee hours of Nov 4 had four states not (simultaneously) stopped counting to inject phantom votes for Biden into the vote count as part of the most extraordinary, coordinated and blatant election and voter fraud in US history.
But things just took an interesting turn. :crossed: See here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,422131.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,422131.0.html)
@Right_in_Virginia
Last night I posted a thread with a poll showing that 83% of the GOP thinks the election is stolen. This even with 24/7 MSM bombardment that says otherwise. That's a really good sign.
The GOP was successful this year up and down the ballot, defying all the polls. The only one who lost was the one who threw it away, and now seeks in a fit of unholy anger to stoke the whirlwind.
Can I put a couple here on the watch list? happy77 @sneakypete
@Right_in_Virginia
You betcha,but you are the one that is going to have to watch them. I no longer babysit children.
@Jazzhead
Did a photo of Trump scare you when you were a child?
80 million people voted for Joe biden because they loved Joe biden?The answer is simple, really. Eighty Million people did not vote for Joe Biden.
No, everyone hated trump. And not just them, seems like everyone who is around eventually sees the light and admits what he really is. Lawyer, sister, niece, secretary of state, national security advisor, fbi director, deputy director, communication director...