The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mrclose on May 24, 2020, 03:47:12 pm
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Charlie Kirk gives a 'fire hose' list of reasons Trump is so effective. :yowsa:
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TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of reasons not to.
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:amen:
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There isn't any.
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TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of reasons not to.
And it would be different with a dim?
How?
Pelosi wants three trillion even now!
You gotta do better!
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And it would be different with a dim?
How?
Pelosi wants three trillion even now!
You gotta do better!
You may not have noticed, but I ain't voting for the Democrat either.
No, I do not have to do better. There ain't a damn thing he's done that compares to his ability to spend us into the poorhouse.
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All us Trump supporters (we spawns of Satan) have made these arguments—not nearly with such brevity or precision as Kirk has done here. But, we’ve all tried our best, only to be met by emotional counter arguments. “I don’t like the way he talks,†“He’s so unpresidential,†“He’s a racist,†“He hates immigrants,†on and on.
A point some of his harshest critics here should keep in mind and give a good ponder:
If you find yourself making the same arguments as CNN, MSNBC and Adam Schiff, it’s time to question your assumptions and purpose. You might be a democrat.
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All us Trump supporters (we spawns of Satan) have made these arguments—not nearly with such brevity or precision as Kirk has done here. But, we’ve all tried our best, only to be met by emotional counter arguments. “I don’t like the way he talks,†“He’s so unpresidential,†“He’s a racist,†“He hates immigrants,†on and on.
A point some of his harshest critics here should keep in mind and give a good ponder:
If you find yourself making the same arguments as CNN, MSNBC and Adam Schiff, it’s time to question your assumptions and purpose. You might be a democrat.
If you can't see the emotionalism in that vid, it might be you who should reconsider.
And my argument has been the spending and nearly only the spending for some time, because it is all one should need, and because it is not emotional. Strictly by the numbers, it's all about the Benjamins.
And in that alone Tumpy has failed so completely as to put our grandchildren, maybe even great grandchildren into servitude. Unconscionable and utterly unforgivable.
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If you can't see the emotionalism in that vid, it might be you who should reconsider.
And my argument has been the spending and nearly only the spending for some time, because it is all one should need, and because it is not emotional. Strictly by the numbers, it's all about the Benjamins.
And in that alone Tumpy has failed so completely as to put our grandchildren, maybe even great grandchildren into servitude. Unconscionable and utterly unforgivable.
Here’s a shock for you, I disagree. Kirk rattled off facts. Not one thing he said was untrue. Trump faced unrelenting opposition and yes, persecution by the most powerful forces of stasis in America: the Washington elite personal get-rich-quick entrenched establishment. I’d like to see you manage the transformations of government that Trump has accomplished in three short years. Oh, that’s right, you can’t. All you can do is throw stones.
If you like the “Kingdom of DC†don’t vote for Trump in November. Your prerogative.
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If you can't see the emotionalism in that vid, it might be you who should reconsider.
And my argument has been the spending and nearly only the spending for some time, because it is all one should need, and because it is not emotional. Strictly by the numbers, it's all about the Benjamins.
And in that alone Tumpy has failed so completely as to put our grandchildren, maybe even great grandchildren into servitude. Unconscionable and utterly unforgivable.
Not all of us are machines. Some of us have emotions especially when we believe in something.
IT everything else was good (no wars, no socialists trying to take over, no threats to the constitution, closed borders, etc) then yes, the money is top priority.
We just disagree on where the greatest threat to the future of the country is and like it or not, Trump is the greatest ally we have in the preservation of our society.
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Here’s a shock for you, I disagree. Kirk rattled off facts. Not one thing he said was untrue. Trump faced unrelenting opposition and yes, persecution by the most powerful forces of stasis in America: the Washington elite personal get-rich-quick entrenched establishment. I’d like to see you manage the transformations of government that Trump has accomplished in three short years. Oh, that’s right, you can’t. All you can do is throw stones.
If you like the “Kingdom of DC†don’t vote for Trump in November. Your prerogative.
Right... Facts or a martyr complex. The ol persecution con... So friggin what? You gotts to vote for him because the other guys are meanies? For cryin out loud.
And what transformation? The one that costs way more in four years than his liberal predecessor spent in eight? That sounds like big.gov on crack to me, no matter what the spinmeisters say.
And no, I won't be voting for Tumpy for King of DC... The only difference I can see is whose a$$ is on the golden throne.
Show me the friggin money.
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Best argument for Trump re-election?
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Trump Pence 2020!!!!!
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Not all of us are machines. Some of us have emotions especially when we believe in something.
IT everything else was good (no wars, no socialists trying to take over, no threats to the constitution, closed borders, etc) then yes, the money is top priority.
We just disagree on where the greatest threat to the future of the country is and like it or not, Trump is the greatest ally we have in the preservation of our society.
I see that entirely differently - I see him as the greatest threat. All y'all are in effect, literally taking the money off the table. Kickin out the chocks and giving the beast all it will ever need.
A dire mistake of epic proportions. And I will be proven right in that.
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Right... Facts or a martyr complex. The ol persecution con... So friggin what? You gotts to vote for him because the other guys are meanies? For cryin out loud.
And what transformation? The one that costs way more in four years than his liberal predecessor spent in eight? That sounds like big.gov on crack to me, no matter what the spinmeisters say.
And no, I won't be voting for Tumpy for King of DC... The only difference I can see is whose a$$ is on the golden throne.
Show me the friggin money.
At least get the name right. It’s not Trumpy, it’s ‘spawn of Satan’.
We’re done.
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At least get the name right. It’s not Trumpy, it’s ‘spawn of Satan’.
We’re done.
persecution complex complete.
:beer: :seeya:
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All us Trump supporters (we spawns of Satan) have made these arguments—not nearly with such brevity or precision as Kirk has done here. But, we’ve all tried our best, only to be met by emotional counter arguments. “I don’t like the way he talks,†“He’s so unpresidential,†“He’s a racist,†“He hates immigrants,†on and on.
A point some of his harshest critics here should keep in mind and give a good ponder:
If you find yourself making the same arguments as CNN, MSNBC and Adam Schiff, it’s time to question your assumptions and purpose. You might be a democrat.
Wow!
Well said.
FWIW, my response to all the emotional reasons to not support Trump is what policies has he pursued that are not in America's best interest.
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Wow!
Well said.
FWIW, my response to all the emotional reasons to not support Trump is what policies has he pursued that are not in America's best interest.
Some people seem to think Trump writes the spending bills and can dictate to the legislature what measures to put in or leave out. According to them, it’s all about the Benjamin’s...all of a sudden—when it’s Trump.
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Some people seem to think Trump writes the spending bills and can dictate to the legislature what measures to put in or leave out. According to them, it’s all about the Benjamin’s...all of a sudden—when it’s Trump.
When have I not defended fiscal conservatism? That's a wholly disingenuous charge.
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Wow!
Well said.
FWIW, my response to all the emotional reasons to not support Trump is what policies has he pursued that are not in America's best interest.
The ones that cost what, THREE TIMES MORE than has ever been spent before in the history of mankind?
But, but, butt... Look at all the CANDY he's throwin! *****rollingeyes*****
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Some people seem to think Trump writes the spending bills and can dictate to the legislature what measures to put in or leave out. According to them, it’s all about the Benjamin’s...all of a sudden—when it’s Trump.
The Pubs have been pounded on their heads for years for being uncaring because they were attempting to be fiscally responsible. Until the Rats get serious about fiscal restraint it makes no sense to try and fix the problem.
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We've already spent ourselves into oblivion thanks to Congress and the Presidency. That cake was baked by the time Obama left office.
While Trump hasn't helped, we've seen nothing like the nation-ending virulent and voilent radicalism the commie leftist Dems want to visit upon us.
If my only option is to delay that for 4 more years, then I'll gladly vote Trump.
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We've already spent ourselves into oblivion thanks to Congress and the Presidency. That cake was baked by the time Obama left office.
While Trump hasn't helped, we've seen nothing like the nation-ending virulent and voilent radicalism the commie leftist Dems want to visit upon us.
If my only option is to delay that for 4 more years, then I'll gladly vote Trump.
:amen:
Also, as Kirk correctly points out Trump has done a lot of great things.
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We got an autographed copy of Charlie Kirk's latest book as a gift from a fellow who was running for National Committeeman from AZ. He won the election at the State Convention a couple weeks ago.
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:amen:
Also, as Kirk correctly points out Trump has done a lot of great things.
A Biden presidency means that the odds increase 10X for Peolsi's $3T folly.
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:amen:
Also, as Kirk correctly points out Trump has done a lot of great things.
I agree. There are many things I've agreed with. More than disagree.
I used the firewall argument for those who think it will be the 'uniparty' sameness if the Dems sweep the govt, because it absolutely won't.
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I agree. There are many things I've agreed with. More than disagree.
I used the firewall argument for those who think it will be the 'uniparty' sameness if the Dems sweep the govt, because it absolutely won't.
Same here. The stars are aligning for a far left takeover of government. After what we have been through the past few months, its the last thing we need.
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We've already spent ourselves into oblivion thanks to Congress and the Presidency. That cake was baked by the time Obama left office.
While Trump hasn't helped, we've seen nothing like the nation-ending virulent and voilent radicalism the commie leftist Dems want to visit upon us.
If my only option is to delay that for 4 more years, then I'll gladly vote Trump.
That's just it. You delay nothing. You're funding it.
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That's just it. You delay nothing. You're funding it.
@roamer_1
Your solution to our fiscal excess seems to be:
1. Hand the Supreme Court and all the other courts over to the far left.
2. Advance a wildly liberal social agenda with unlimited abortion, 62 different bathroom facilities for each gender in all facilities, and taxation of churches, synagogues and other religious institutions.
3. Flood the nation with illegal immigrants and legalize all of them.
4. Impose 90% taxation on the middle and upper classes and give everyone else free money, free housing, free food, free college and absolution from any debts.
5. Impose rigid limits on free speech banning any words that anyone deems offensive...to include words that argue for free speech, criticize amnesty for illegals, claim that men and women are different, and the utterance of anything counter to the far left's social justice agenda.
Good plan. Your vote for anyone other than President Trump in this coming election will be sure to make all those things reality. You've left common sense far behind and substituted ideological blindness.
You seem to have lost the ability to discern the difference between principle...and utter stupidity. Principle is fighting for what you believe...utter stupidity, on the other hand, is defined by taking an action that leads to the complete destruction of any possibility of ever enacting said principle (spending restraint) while guaranteeing the destruction of every other conservative principle/concept (Free speech, religious practice, right to bear arms, etcetera).
You seem to see yourself as more principled than those of us who despise the wanton spending of our government but still vote for President Trump. Let me assure you, you're not. We simply are not dumb enough to advocate for the destruction of every other principle and freedom for the sake of appearing "pure" on fiscal policy.
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You may not have noticed, but I ain't voting for the Democrat either.
No, I do not have to do better. There ain't a damn thing he's done that compares to his ability to spend us into the poorhouse.
Yes, You Must do better!
First of all, Spending bills start In The House where the Dims are in charge!
Saying that, the same dims understood that Trump had no way out of the trap that they set!
If Trump were to veto the House created mess, well then .. Trump is a "meany" and wants people to starve.
If Trump allows it to pass, (which as you know, he did), well Trump is Spending us into hell and that makes him a "meany" ... sending us all to the poorhouse!
And as usual, with the media in the pocket of the dims .. Trump can't and will never look any better than the media and the dims wish him to look!
Did we hear any outrage over the House putting the spending bill together in the first place?
As I said .. You Must do better!
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@roamer_1
Your solution to our fiscal excess seems to be:
1. Hand the Supreme Court and all the other courts over to the far left.
2. Advance a wildly liberal social agenda with unlimited abortion, 62 different bathroom facilities for each gender in all facilities, and taxation of churches, synagogues and other religious institutions.
3. Flood the nation with illegal immigrants and legalize all of them.
4. Impose 90% tax on the middle and upper classes and give everyone else free money, free housing, free food, free college and absolution from any debts.
5. Impose rigid limits on free speech banning any words that anyone deems offensive...to include words that argue for free speech, criticize amnesty for illegals, claim that men and women are different, and the utterance of anything counter to the far left's social justice agenda.
Good plan. Your vote for anyone other than President Trump in this coming election will be sure to make all those things reality.
You seem to have lost the ability to discern the difference between principle...and utter stupidity. Principle is fighting for what you believe...utter stupidity, on the other hand, is defined by taking an action that leads to the complete destruction of any possibility of ever enacting said principle (spending restraint) while guaranteeing the destruction of every other conservative principle/concept (Free speech, religious practice, right to bear arms, etcetera).
You seem to see yourself as more principled than those of us who despise the wanton spending of our government but still vote for President Trump. Let me assure you, you're not. We simply are not dumb enough to advocate for the destruction of every other principle and freedom for the sake of appearing "pure" on fiscal policy.
Riiiiight. Because you get MORE of what you vote FOR. If you continue to vote for the wanton spending, then who the hell is going to do otherwise? Certainly not the dems...
So in typical fashion, yet ANOTHER immovable Conservative principle gets removed from the board, never to rise again. All y'all ain't serious. Call it what you will, but it sure as hell ain't conservative.
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Yes, You Must do better!
First of all, Spending bills start In The House where the Dims are in charge!
His signature is his endorsement The administration is involved in those bills at the committee level. He knew what he was signing, mostly without even whining about it.
Saying that, the same dims understood that Trump had no way out of the trap that they set!
If Trump were to veto the House created mess, well then .. Trump is a "meany" and wants people to starve.
If Trump allows it to pass, (which as you know, he did), well Trump is Spending us into hell and that makes him a "meany" ... sending us all to the poorhouse!
Poor Tumpy... Not too bright with the Dems always putting one over on him like that...
And as usual, with the media in the pocket of the dims .. Trump can't and will never look any better than the media and the dims wish him to look!
So as much as y'all keep saying otherwise, SOSDD.
Hell no I need do no better, HE needs to damn well do better to warrant my endorsement. And the way he spends money, there ain't a single shot in hell of that happening. PERIOD.
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Riiiiight. Because you get MORE of what you vote FOR. If you continue to vote for the wanton spending, then who the hell is going to do otherwise? Certainly not the dems...
So in typical fashion, yet ANOTHER immovable Conservative principle gets removed from the board, never to rise again. All y'all ain't serious. Call it what you will, but it sure as hell ain't conservative.
Yep, it sucks that even a strong Republican president cannot stop the current spending spree...yet strangely...I'm unwilling to cede all of my constitutional rights to the Left by standing back and letting them take over the Presidency, the Senate, the House, the courts, the military, and to impose the abolition of all the other freedoms I hold dear. The pursuit of fiscal responsibility will not be advanced by losing my rights to free speech, to bear arms, to practice my religious beliefs and to prevent 20 million illegal invaders from being granted amnesty.
You are willing to surrender every other right you have...because that is the fruit of your current stance and actions...because you're angry that spending is out of control (which it is). That's just plain wrong...if you were to lose your right to bear arms, would you then toss your right to free speech on the garbage heap as well?
What you're doing is not principle, its surrender that "feels" like resistance...but ain't.
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Yep, it sucks that even a strong Republican president cannot stop the current spending spree...yet strangely...I'm unwilling to cede all of my constitutional rights to the Left by standing back and letting them take over the Presidency, the Senate, the House, the courts, the military, and to impose the abolition of all the other freedoms I hold dear. The pursuit of fiscal responsibility will not be advanced by losing my rights to free speech, to bear arms, to practice my religious beliefs and to prevent 20 million illegal invaders from being granted amnesty.
You are willing to surrender every other right you have...because that is the fruit of your current stance and actions...because you're angry that spending is out of control (which it is). That's just plain wrong...if you were to lose your right to bear arms, would you then toss your right to free speech on the garbage heap as well?
What you're doing is not principle, its surrender that "feels" like resistance...but ain't.
Right. Typical scare voting. Bullcrap.
You gotta vote for us no matter HOW BAD WE STINK, because otherwise... :terror:
Total unmitigated bullcrap.
Your sh*t sandwich tastes no different than their turd burger. End of story.
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The Sunday Urinary Contest in full swing. Predictable!
Both candidates are trash, worthy of the index finger rather than a vote.
Biden is a doddering old fool, a fraud and huster all his life and a core lefty.
Trump is a compulsive Narcissist, has no core conservative principles and
cannot judge character be it Sessions or Xi Jinping.
We are in this severe malaise because we have been tolerating the likes of
these two buffoons for most of the last century.
These two represent the choice between Howdy Doody and Clarabelle Cow!
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A Biden presidency means that the odds increase 10X for Peolsi's $3T folly.
And with the institutionalized ballot harvesting that it will include the end of the republic will follow.
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That's just it. You delay nothing. You're funding it.
I guess I just don't see that.
No I'm not a fan of the runaway spending, but as we have already seen, the liberals during the Obama admin have already got their people and apparatus in place to do whatever they want, whenever they want.
We've seen it doubly with these blue state governors acting like tinpot tyrants, regardless of budget.
If they do get total hold over the FedGov, it will take an insurrection to deal with them.
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Riiiiight. Because you get MORE of what you vote FOR. If you continue to vote for the wanton spending, then who the hell is going to do otherwise? Certainly not the dems...
So in typical fashion, yet ANOTHER immovable Conservative principle gets removed from the board, never to rise again. All y'all ain't serious. Call it what you will, but it sure as hell ain't conservative.
There are only 2 ways the excessive spending of the federal govt ends; one, the bond traders stop buying treasury bonds; two, the House is controlled by and led by a speaker with a mandate to cut spending and cap entitlement growth to 1% less than inflation. Neither of these things is going to occur. Insisting that a POTUS commit political suicide by taking on spending when it has no hope of being changed and there are more immediate issues to deal with is not smart, or practical.
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@roamer_1
Your solution to our fiscal excess seems to be:
1. Hand the Supreme Court and all the other courts over to the far left.
2. Advance a wildly liberal social agenda with unlimited abortion, 62 different bathroom facilities for each gender in all facilities, and taxation of churches, synagogues and other religious institutions.
3. Flood the nation with illegal immigrants and legalize all of them.
4. Impose 90% taxation on the middle and upper classes and give everyone else free money, free housing, free food, free college and absolution from any debts.
5. Impose rigid limits on free speech banning any words that anyone deems offensive...to include words that argue for free speech, criticize amnesty for illegals, claim that men and women are different, and the utterance of anything counter to the far left's social justice agenda.
Good plan. Your vote for anyone other than President Trump in this coming election will be sure to make all those things reality. You've left common sense far behind and substituted ideological blindness.
You seem to have lost the ability to discern the difference between principle...and utter stupidity. Principle is fighting for what you believe...utter stupidity, on the other hand, is defined by taking an action that leads to the complete destruction of any possibility of ever enacting said principle (spending restraint) while guaranteeing the destruction of every other conservative principle/concept (Free speech, religious practice, right to bear arms, etcetera).
You seem to see yourself as more principled than those of us who despise the wanton spending of our government but still vote for President Trump. Let me assure you, you're not. We simply are not dumb enough to advocate for the destruction of every other principle and freedom for the sake of appearing "pure" on fiscal policy.
Thank you. It’s just common sense, something in short supply with some folks.
In just three years Trump has proved his value to conservatives in so many areas. On rebuilding the military, boosting troop pay; economy and job creation and bringing businesses back to America; on immigration (the southern border!); on trimming fat in the bureaucracy; on Middle East foreign entanglements; creation of the Space force; international trade and China policy; reforms in the VA; a showdown with sanctuary cities is coming, rescinded DACA, deportations up, ending catch and release; on the drug epidemic; human trafficking; the list is longer than I have time to list. And, if and when he’s re-elected imagine what he can continue doing!
It’s absurd that we’re still having to have this conversation.
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There are only 2 ways the excessive spending of the federal govt ends; one, the bond traders stop buying treasury bonds; two, the House is controlled by and led by a speaker with a mandate to cut spending and cap entitlement growth to 1% less than inflation. Neither of these things is going to occur. Insisting that a POTUS commit political suicide by taking on spending when it has no hope of being changed and there are more immediate issues to deal with is not smart, or practical.
Right. Always a justification. He can't help it.
But he fights, right? :silly:
*****rollingeyes*****
Y'all are living in lala land/
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Yep, it sucks that even a strong Republican president cannot stop the current spending spree...yet strangely...I'm unwilling to cede all of my constitutional rights to the Left by standing back and letting them take over the Presidency, the Senate, the House, the courts, the military, and to impose the abolition of all the other freedoms I hold dear. The pursuit of fiscal responsibility will not be advanced by losing my rights to free speech, to bear arms, to practice my religious beliefs and to prevent 20 million illegal invaders from being granted amnesty.
You are willing to surrender every other right you have...because that is the fruit of your current stance and actions...because you're angry that spending is out of control (which it is). That's just plain wrong...if you were to lose your right to bear arms, would you then toss your right to free speech on the garbage heap as well?
What you're doing is not principle, its surrender that "feels" like resistance...but ain't.
If I ever fall overboard in the middle of the ocean I hope very much I will not cease treading water in protest over the likelihood of my drowning.
I’d look around for something to sustain me until I’m rescued. If rescue never comes then so be it.
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I guess I just don't see that.
No I'm not a fan of the runaway spending, but as we have already seen, the liberals during the Obama admin have already got their people and apparatus in place to do whatever they want, whenever they want.
We've seen it doubly with these blue state governors acting like tinpot tyrants, regardless of budget.
If they do get total hold over the FedGov, it will take an insurrection to deal with them.
You're kidding right? THE WHOLE DANG SHOW just got shut down by a REPUBLICAN president and a REPUBLICAN senate, and you can't see?
Stop thinking in terms of dem/pub and start thinking Hegelian dialectic.
Left foot... right foot... It don't matter. Always and ever slouching toward Gomorrah.
The only thing y'all can't deny is the money, which is ever flowing...
That should tell you how to stop it.
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If I ever fall overboard in the middle of the ocean I hope very much I will not cease treading water in protest over the likelihood of my drowning.
:thumbsup:
Nick Adams, author of Trump and Churchill, Defenders of Western Civilization, makes a cogent argument comparing Donald Trump and Winston Churchill, their personal and political lives.
You will be surprised and amazed by their similarities.
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You're kidding right? THE WHOLE DANG SHOW just got shut down by a REPUBLICAN president and a REPUBLICAN senate, and you can't see?
Stop thinking in terms of dem/pub and start thinking Hegelian dialectic.
Left foot... right foot... It don't matter. Always and ever slouching toward Gomorrah.
The only thing y'all can't deny is the money, which is ever flowing...
That should tell you how to stop it.
Trump and the GOP Senate have been pretty light handed in all this, other than the spending. Even then they may not act on the Dems further nutty proposals in the wings.
They could have been alot more jackboot and drunken sailor about things.
Further contrast the GOP v. Dem governors. The only thing that have stopped the Dem loons from total commie takover is that they aren't the FedGov.
As I've said, the fiscal cake was baked by the time Obama was out of office, but we still have our civil liberties and don't have the FedGov marching us off to camps. Yet.
I can only go with the army I got, not what I want.
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Trump and the GOP Senate have been pretty light handed in all this, other than the spending. Even then they may not act on the Dems further nutty proposals in the wings.
They could have been alot more jackboot and drunken sailor about things.
Further contrast the GOP v. Dem governors. The only thing that have stopped the Dem loons from total commie takover is that they aren't the FedGov.
As I've said, the fiscal cake was baked by the time Obama was out of office, but we still have our civil liberties and don't have the FedGov marching us off to camps. Yet.
I can only go with the army I got, not what I want.
Y'all will forgive him of anything. There ain't no thinking left. *****rollingeyes*****
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Y'all will forgive him of anything. There ain't no thinking left. *****rollingeyes*****
My thinking is that we must avoid seating Biden or the eventual DEM nominee in order to keep our Republic in tact.
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My thinking is that we must avoid seating Biden or the eventual DEM nominee in order to keep our Republic in tact.
The single most draconian act ever on this shore, and spending three times what has ever been spent before in the history of man... And you're worried about democrats.
You want your republic intact, you'd best worry about cleaning up your own house, and not worry about the other guy. Because it is YOUR HOUSE that is charged with conserving this Republic, and it sure as hell ain't. AT ALL.
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I see that entirely differently - I see him as the greatest threat. All y'all are in effect, literally taking the money off the table. Kickin out the chocks and giving the beast all it will ever need.
A dire mistake of epic proportions. And I will be proven right in that.
Oh, for cripes sake stop the friggin' drama. So you're not going to vote for the President because ... well, the orange man's bad. I assume, though am not convinced, you're not going to vote for Joe Biden.
So, you're left with writing in the name of your horse for President. Please, take a moment and explain how this helps the nation and prevents apocalypse from descending upon the fruits of your loins.
Be specific.
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@roamer_1
Your kvetching schtick is getting old; lots of stone throwing, zero plans or practical solutions for fixing. Emphasis on practical, because the election is in six months and your solution is what? Not voting. Great plan, Mervin.
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So, you're left with writing in the name of your horse for President. Please, take a moment and explain how this helps the nation and prevents apocalypse from descending upon the fruits of your loins.
Be specific.
The apocalypse is already descending upon the fruit of my loins in the actions of your dear leader and in the bills he is signing.
You really don't expect for me to vote for their servitude do you?
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Y'all will forgive him of anything. There ain't no thinking left. *****rollingeyes*****
That is not a fair observation. How many Briefers can you count that will "forgive him anything?" I think I can do it on one hand, and have fingers left over. "Y'all" is too broad a brush. Just my 2¢.
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Right. Always a justification. He can't help it.
But he fights, right? :silly:
*****rollingeyes*****
Y'all are living in lala land/
Right, he does fight!
We have seen more advances for conservatism in 3 yrs than we've seen in a generation.
I'll take an imperfect man who gets things done anytime over the perfectly principled man who doesn't accomplish anything.
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Right, he does fight!
We have seen more advances for conservatism in 3 yrs than we've seen in a generation.
I'll take an imperfect man who gets things done anytime over the perfectly principled man who doesn't accomplish anything.
Now, wait. Give @roamer_1 a chance. In six months he’ll have us all voting for his horse (HT, @Right_in_Virginia ).
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@roamer_1
Your kvetching schtick is getting old; lots of stone throwing, zero plans or practical solutions for fixing. Emphasis on practical, because the election is in six months and your solution is what? Not voting. Great plan, Mervin.
All I have left is to withhold my endorsement. That is all I ever have. To lend my endorsement or not. Ain't any different than ever. That does not require a plan. All it requires is an informed choice.
I am informed.
And I will choose.
And it won't be for Tumpy.
And how the hell is it merely kvetching? I am shouting at the betrayal. The monumental betrayal. The biggest betrayal I have ever seen.
And all y'all are asleep.
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Nick Adams, author of Trump and Churchill, Defenders of Western Civilization, makes a cogent argument comparing Donald Trump and Winston Churchill, their personal and political lives.
You will be surprised and amazed by their similarities.
Looks like it’s available on kindle. I’ll check it out.
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That is not a fair observation. How many Briefers can you count that will "forgive him anything?" I think I can do it on one hand, and have fingers left over. "Y'all" is too broad a brush. Just my 2¢.
Any that would vote for him are lending their endorsement to him... After a draconian shutdown of the nation over something akin to the flu that has destroyed whole sectors of the economy, and ruined countless lives. That on top of more spending than ever before (by nearing an order of magnitude)
But you'll still pull the lever.
What the hell else is that?
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My thinking is that we must avoid seating Biden or the eventual DEM nominee in order to keep our Republic in tact.
You're right.
The way the leftists and the propagandists have revealed themselves the last 3 yrs should convince everyone that the Rats are an existential threat to the Republic and individual rights.
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Now, wait. Give @roamer_1 a chance. In six months he’ll have us all voting for his horse (HT, @Right_in_Virginia ).
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88devil
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Right, he does fight!
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And it's never his fault.
We have seen more advances for conservatism in 3 yrs than we've seen in a generation.
Having your liberty removed and your livelihood taken away pretty well 'trumps' anything else, with the exception of course of the monumental spending...
But wait! More destruction awaits! Vote for more!!!
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Now, wait. Give @roamer_1 a chance. In six months he’ll have us all voting for his horse (HT, @Right_in_Virginia ).
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LOL, that's good.
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Now, wait. Give @roamer_1 a chance. In six months he’ll have us all voting for his horse (HT, @Right_in_Virginia ).
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My horse, or part of another... Not a lot of difference in that @aligncare
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And it's never his fault.
Having your liberty removed and your livelihood taken away pretty well 'trumps' anything else, with the exception of course of the monumental spending...
But wait! More destruction awaits! Vote for more!!!
I can see why he won't give an inch after watching the media lie about him for the last 3 years.
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Any that would vote for him are lending their endorsement to him... After a draconian shutdown of the nation over something akin to the flu that has destroyed whole sectors of the economy, and ruined countless lives. That on top of more spending than ever before (by nearing an order of magnitude)
But you'll still pull the lever.
What the hell else is that?
Nope. Unfair. "Pulling the lever" != "Supports everything he does and says." Most people consider that vote as an effort to move the ball in the right direction down the field, not a philosophical statement of what's ideal. It's the difference between Tactical and Strategic.
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I can see why he won't give an inch after watching the media lie about him for the last 3 years.
Aww... Sympathy vote....
Nope.
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Nope. Unfair. "Pulling the lever" != "Supports everything he does and says." Most people consider that vote as an effort to move the ball in the right direction down the field, not a philosophical statement of what's ideal. It's the difference between Tactical and Strategic.
Bullcrap.
Your vote is an endorsement. That is all it is. That is all it will ever be.
You are voting FOR big.gov.
You are voting FOR monumental spending.
You are voting FOR the ridiculous shutdown happening again.
There is nothing else. For or abstain... That's all you get.
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Bullcrap.
Your vote is an endorsement. That is all it is. That is all it will ever be.
You are voting FOR big.gov.
You are voting FOR monumental spending.
You are voting FOR the ridiculous shutdown happening again.
There is nothing else. For or abstain... That's all you get.
In the end you and I end up living under the same result.
The difference being semantic - I will have done what I thought I could to slow/stop the slide, and you will have bragging rights.
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In the end you and I end up living under the same result.
The difference being semantic - I will have done what I thought I could to slow/stop the slide, and you will have bragging rights.
Nonsense. By NOT endorsing big.gov Republicanism, I am precisely trying to stop the slide.
Go along with it if you want. but don't think you're stopping it. You're voting FOR it.
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Nonsense. By NOT endorsing big.gov Republicanism, I am precisely trying to stop the slide.
Go along with it if you want. but don't think you're stopping it. You're voting FOR it.
And you've lost what little influence you might have had by taking yourself out of the contest.
Which delights the State, by the way. They wish all like minded would do the same.
Because while there may be enough principled conservatives to eventually steer the GOP there certainly will never be enough to stand and compete by themselves. There weren't in 1775 and there're even fewer today.
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President Trump is a gift from God.
If you stand against Trump, then you stand against God.
More power to you, but at the same time, may God have mercy on your soul.
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And you've lost what little influence you might have had by taking yourself out of the contest.
You're kidding right? What contest is that? It's all the same dang thing.
Which delights the State, by the way. They wish all like minded would do the same.
I don't give a rip about the state. Give me something to vote FOR and I will come arunnin.
Why the hell should I vote FOR what I am primarily, fundamentally against? How the heck does that help my cause at all?
And I think you are exactly wrong wrt the state. They would much rather have this nifty 'vote against' thing they've sold y'all... doesn't matter to them who wins, the money keeps flowing like 2 dollar wine. And they are free to do anything they like.
Because while there may be enough principled conservatives to eventually steer the GOP there certainly will never be enough to stand and compete by themselves. There weren't in 1775 and there're even fewer today.
Baloney. Not if everyone who claims it would start voting for it.
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Bullcrap.
Your vote is an endorsement. That is all it is. That is all it will ever be.
You are voting FOR big.gov.
You are voting FOR monumental spending.
You are voting FOR the ridiculous shutdown happening again.
There is nothing else. For or abstain... That's all you get.
What are you talking about, endorsement? Trump’s not a politician. He’s a practical, no nonsense manager of a successful corporation owning over 500 companies, including large real estate holdings around the world.
He’s not building a career in politics. He’s capping off a career in the private sector giving back to the country he loves that’s given him so much. For him it’s one and done. That alone should clue you in that it’s not about politics. It’s about his seeing his country faltering over the last 30-40 years and being in a financial position to do something about it and giving back to America.
You do know this job, because of dirty, rotten, stinking political attacks has cost his company and personal wealth around $2 billion in value since becoming president.
You’ve got no business bringing politics in to his goals and intentions for fixing, with his abilities, what he can for America.
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What are you talking about, endorsement? Trump’s not a politician. He’s a practical, no nonsense manager of a successful corporation owning over 500 companies, including large real estate holdings around the world.
He’s not building a career in politics. He’s capping off a career in the private sector giving back to the country he loves that’s given him so much. For him it’s one and done. That alone should clue you in that it’s not about politics. It’s about his seeing his country faltering over the last 30-40 years and being in a financial position to do something about it and giving back to America.
You do know this job, because of dirty, rotten, stinking political attacks has cost his company and personal wealth around $2 billion in value since becoming president.
You’ve got no business bringing politics in to his goals and intentions for fixing, with his abilities, what he can for America.
What bloody pap is this?
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Well, again, for me, and I've stated it several times before; I will vote for the person who will move this country in the most positive direction. Basically it will boil down to Trump v. Biden. Your pick. If you choose not to vote, what does that really accomplish? Voting 3rd party also accomplishes nothing because a 3rd party's chance of winning is just about impossible.
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TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of reasons not to.
@roamer_1
And NONE for rational people.
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Well, again, for me, and I've stated it several times before; I will vote for the person who will move this country in the most positive direction. Basically it will boil down to Trump v. Biden. Your pick. If you choose not to vote, what does that really accomplish? Voting 3rd party also accomplishes nothing because a 3rd party's chance of winning is just about impossible.
There ain't a dimes worth of difference between the two... At best by not contributing to the problem, I am absolved of it. Voting 3rd is a long shot toward fixing the problem. If neither of the main parties are fundamentally responsible, I can lend my endorsement to a party coming up that promises to be. The more that party grows, the more political power it gains, with the hope one day of overriding those who neglect their duty.
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Well, again, for me, and I've stated it several times before; I will vote for the person who will move this country in the most positive direction. Basically it will boil down to Trump v. Biden. Your pick. If you choose not to vote, what does that really accomplish? Voting 3rd party also accomplishes nothing because a 3rd party's chance of winning is just about impossible.
Thing is, in his four years as president, Trump has done little to "move this country forward" or -- this is my favorite reason -- "save us" from the Democrats. As far as I can tell, there is little difference between Trump and Biden just as there is little difference between their respective parties.
I don't know what I will do in November (or whenever the general election is held), but I will not vote for either of two lousy choices. You can say I'm wasting my vote if I vote third party, or I accomplish nothing by not voting at all. But whatever I do, it will be done with a clear conscience. I'm not so sure those who hold their noses and vote for Trump can honestly say that.
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There ain't a dimes worth of difference between the two... At best by not contributing to the problem, I am absolved of it. Voting 3rd is a long shot toward fixing the problem. If neither of the main parties are fundamentally responsible, I can lend my endorsement to a party coming up that promises to be. The more that party grows, the more political power it gains, with the hope one day of overriding those who neglect their duty.
If you don't see any difference between the two, then absolutely abstain. I am not against voting 3rd party, unfortunately, unless they can get onto the ballot in all states, they have zero chances of winning. IMHO, more than anything 3rd party entities need $$$....a better way to endorse them (for now). They just can't compete financially because big money always seems to back either the GOP or DEMS. I've been watching the Constitution Party for quite some time and unfortunately even they have decided to veer more to the middle in order to get votes ....the wrong thing to do. IF they had the financial backing and IF they had some candidates with name recognition, they'd have a chance. That's a tall order.
Peace @roamer_1
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Peace @roamer_1
Peace always @libertybele
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Thing is, in his four years as president, Trump has done little to "move this country forward" or -- this is my favorite reason -- "save us" from the Democrats. As far as I can tell, there is little difference between Trump and Biden just as there is little difference between their respective parties.
I don't know what I will do in November (or whenever the general election is held), but I will not vote for either of two lousy choices. You can say I'm wasting my vote if I vote third party, or I accomplish nothing by not voting at all. But whatever I do, it will be done with a clear conscience. I'm not so sure those who hold their noses and vote for Trump can honestly say that.
Nope, I don't see that Trump has saved us from Democrats and the swamp remains deep. I will be the first to admit that I still find it unsettling that he appointed Sessions and Rosenstein and now Barr. He's made a lot of poor choices. Not a one of them has done squat to help.
I can sit and rattle off some positive things that Trump has done and I can also rattle off some negatives. However, I feel that the positives outweigh the negatives. He has exuded patriotism more often than not.
Bottom line; I see Trump continuing to try to restore this county. I see Biden (or whoever is the nominee) leading us to socialism. I will willingly pull the lever for Trump. Yes, I do have some doubts about Trump, but I see much more hope on the horizon with him and I see no hope with Biden.
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Nick Adams, author of Trump and Churchill, Defenders of Western Civilization, makes a cogent argument comparing Donald Trump and Winston Churchill, their personal and political lives.
You will be surprised and amazed by their similarities.
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Similarities?........ SIMILARITIES!!!
Are you auditioning for some sorta clown/farce movie?????
Otherwise, get back on your medication, IMMEDIATELY!!!!!
Winston Churchill was married once and never declared bankruptcy.
Trumpet was married 3 times and declared bankruptcy 4 times.
That's the about as similar as they ever were.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! GET REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of reasons not to.
Absolutely.. :beer:
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Absolutely.. :beer:
Hiya @montanajoe
Nice to seeya
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Thing is, in his four years as president, Trump has done little to "move this country forward".
Interesting @Applewood May I ask what -- just two -- things you're disappointed with the President for not doing to move the country forward? This is a sincere question.
Thanks.
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Similarities?........ SIMILARITIES!!! Are you auditioning for some sorta clown/farce movie????? Otherwise, get back on your medication, IMMEDIATELY!!!!! Winston Churchill was married once and never declared bankruptcy. Trumpet was married 3 times and declared bankruptcy 4 times. That's the about as similar as they ever were. Jesus, Mary and Joseph!
Why are you always focused on activities between the sheets and the size of a man's wallet? This raises interesting questions about what's not happening for *you*.
But be that as it may, let me help you raise your gaze a bit. Believe it or not, there really is more to life -- especially among those with the power to influence.
Trump and Churchill both fought valiantly to protect Western Civilization, and while fighting different forms of tyranny, Trump could very well be to the twenty-first century what Churchill was to the twentieth.
What do Winston Churchill—the eloquent, eternally quotable wordsmith, pudgy politician of fifty years, wealthy aristocrat, war-time Prime Minister of England—and Donald Trump, the 6’3â€, brash, Twitter happy, political neophyte, billionaire entrepreneur—have in common?
In his new book, complete with never-before-told anecdotes, bestselling author Nick Adams explores how both leaders, with seemingly nothing in common, turned their day’s prevailing politics on its head.
In doing so, they both endured shockingly similar battles instigated by the political establishment seeking their destruction.
Trump and Churchill’s unorthodox approach to both domestic and international relations has rescued Western Civilization from the brink.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Trump-and-Churchill/Nick-Adams/9781642934694 (https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Trump-and-Churchill/Nick-Adams/9781642934694)
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President Trump is a gift from God.
If you stand against Trump, then you stand against God.
More power to you, but at the same time, may God have mercy on your soul.
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Hmm.........any gift from the Almighty would be a Saint; so let's measure the real Trump!
* a crony capitalist in the Casino Industry (a business of sleazy frauds and hustlers) who
has declared bankruptcy 4 times.
* a compulsive womanizer who has been divorced 3 times.
* a sleazy draft-dodger during the Vietnam War.
Assigning the Almighty responsibility for Trump is beyond blasphemy cuz Trump owns himself!!!
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Currently I can think of only one real reason to vote for Trump - and that will be if Barr brings charges against high level people in the FBI and elsewhere prior to the election. If he were to do that, then Barr needs the means to continue. Otherwise it will all be washed under the rug - and may be anyway. So far Barr has not proven he's serious about it.
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Still can't think of a reason. If I was into cheap, sleazy trash comedy maybe.
Only if I was into Q?
If I was a conspiracy theorist?
If I love trash tweeting?
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President Trump is a gift from God.
If you stand against Trump, then you stand against God.
More power to you, but at the same time, may God have mercy on your soul.
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I don't care who you are that's funny.... :shrug:
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Hiya @montanajoe
Nice to seeya
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@roamer_1
Good to see you to.. don't have time to drop by very often but glad to see you are keeping up the Conservative cause and the fight for sanity in a Trump world... :patriot:
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Why are you always focused on activities between the sheets and the size of a man's wallet? This raises interesting questions about what's not happening for *you*.
But be that as it may, let me help you raise your gaze a bit. Believe it or not, there really is more to life -- especially among those with the power to influence.
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Whenever the subject is relatively serious, you compulsively revert to your infantile abuse.
Anyway, equalizing Trump to Churchill doesn't even rise to the level of absurdity, even for you.
Churchill, despite his warts, was First Lord of the Admiralty in the Royal Navy.
In 1915, he orchestrated the British sea-land assault at Gallipoli on the Dardanelles Peninsula;
the objective being to drive the Ottoman Empire out of the Great War, taking pressure of Russia.
While the landing was unsuccessful, it kept Czarist Russian in the war against Germany.
Some 25 years later, Churchill, as PM, led Great Britain through WW2.
In contrast, Trump is a sleaze bag who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War.
So much for their shared attitudes, behaviors, sensibilities and values!!!!!
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Similarities?........ SIMILARITIES!!!
Are you auditioning for some sorta clown/farce movie?????
Otherwise, get back on your medication, IMMEDIATELY!!!!!
Winston Churchill was married once and never declared bankruptcy.
Trumpet was married 3 times and declared bankruptcy 4 times.
That's the about as similar as they ever were.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! GET REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’re free to ignore authors whose theses offend You. Or, you could read and learn. Of course, you’re too brilliant to learn anything new except your own delusions. You are what’s known in the biz as a highly educated idiot.
By the way, the author contrasts as well as compares. Be afraid, be very afraid you might learn something new.
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Whenever the subject is relatively serious, you compulsively revert to your infantile abuse.
Please don't disrespect me simply because I responded to what you, in your infinite wisdom, posted.
If you don't like my reaction to your comments, please, try posting something that isn't vacuous.
Thanks. :beer:
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Whenever the subject is relatively serious, you compulsively revert to your infantile abuse.
Anyway, equalizing Trump to Churchill doesn't even rise to the level of absurdity, even for you.
Churchill, despite his warts, was First Lord of the Admiralty in the Royal Navy.
In 1915, he orchestrated the British sea-land assault at Gallipoli on the Dardanelles Peninsula;
the objective being to drive the Ottoman Empire out of the Great War, taking pressure of Russia.
While the landing was unsuccessful, it kept Czarist Russian in the war against Germany.
Some 25 years later, Churchill, as PM, led Great Britain through WW2.
In contrast, Trump is a sleaze bag who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War.
So much for their shared attitudes, behaviors, sensibilities and values!!!!!
Gallipoli was an abject failure in nearly every conceivable way. "Czarist" Russia surrendered, essentially, to the Germans in 1917 and collapsed under the weight of internal revolution thereafter...if anything, the failure at Gallipoli hastened that process.
That said, while I wouldn't compare the two men in terms of public service prior to assuming the mantle of national leadership...their actions and strength while IN office do bear some similarities though the contexts of their terms were radically different.
Both men are/were fighting a national tide of progressivism and a tendency towards national weakness in the face of enemies abroad. Both men stood up to the entrenched powers within their respective governments and societies, and were condemned as "rogues" against those elite powers and internal state apparatus. And both men display a wit and determination, and a willingness to provoke their political enemies into acts of self-destructive hysteria, that exhibits a political skill that is a true rarity...almost Caesarian, if you will.
And both men were noted "scoundrels" when it comes to the ladies...see Churchill and his alleged affair with Doris Castleross. Both men, frequently left the elites appalled by their "low brow" comments directed towards ladies they did not like. That said, while Churchill was a drinker and a smoker, Trump is quite the tea totaler...in great part due to losing a brother to addiction.
And lastly, anyone who can't see the radical differences between a Trump administration and the policies of a Biden presidency...is a peawit. They are different on nearly every issue, would appoint radically different cabinet and department heads with radically different political views and agendas. The political distance between the two men and those they lead is greater than at any time in the US since the Civil War itself. The only thing they sure, and this infects nearly every politician in America, is a willingness towards profligate spending...yet even THAT bad tendency differs broadly in how that spending is allocated.
Anyone with an iota of intellect can list the huge array of policy differences between Biden and President Trump and their parties...and many here have done so with exhaustive lists...so someone claiming they are "the same" is either a liar or a fool...or both. The liars ignore these differences because they don't fit the narrative they want to believe...the fools won't see the differences because they are blinded by their own rigidity and Trump hate.
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Please don't disrespect me simply because I responded to what you, in your infinite wisdom, posted.
If you don't like my reaction to your comments, please, try posting something that isn't vacuous.
Thanks. :beer:
Good luck with that...vacuous seems to be the "go to" for NT's.
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President Trump is a gift from God.
If you stand against Trump, then you stand against God.
More power to you, but at the same time, may God have mercy on your soul.
I am not going to laugh. That isn't funny.
Trumps Spiritual Adviser Paula White said that too.
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump
Televangelist Paula White said that Christians who don't support President Donald Trump will have to answer to God.
White, who serves as spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump and chairs the president’s evangelical advisory board, made the comments during a Friday appearance on the “The Jim Bakker Show†where she was promoting her latest book, Something Greater, in which she discusses intimate details of her life including her relationship with Trump.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html)
On the Jim Baker show none the less. The woman who was appointed to Faith Outreach. I think that people should be testing everything that comes from the White House with their Bible's and that will be the truth. And I have already seen that my soul could be in jeopardy if I do vote for Trump
Ask Chuck Grassley about Paula White.
Televangelists Escape Penalty in Senate Inquiry
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/ (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/ (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/)
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I am not going to laugh. That isn't funny.
Trumps Spiritual Adviser Paula White said that too.
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump
Televangelist Paula White said that Christians who don't support President Donald Trump will have to answer to God.
White, who serves as spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump and chairs the president’s evangelical advisory board, made the comments during a Friday appearance on the “The Jim Bakker Show†where she was promoting her latest book, Something Greater, in which she discusses intimate details of her life including her relationship with Trump.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html)
On the Jim Baker show none the less. The woman who was appointed to Faith Outreach. I think that people should be testing everything that comes from the White House with their Bible's and that will be the truth. And I have already seen that my soul could be in jeopardy if I do vote for Trump
Ask Chuck Grassley about Paula White.
Televangelists Escape Penalty in Senate Inquiry
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/ (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/ (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40960871/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/televangelists-escape-penalty-senate-inquiry/)
Jennifer, do you buy tinfoil in bulk?
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All us Trump supporters (we spawns of Satan) have made these arguments—not nearly with such brevity or precision as Kirk has done here. But, we’ve all tried our best, only to be met by emotional counter arguments. “I don’t like the way he talks,†“He’s so unpresidential,†“He’s a racist,†“He hates immigrants,†on and on.
A point some of his harshest critics here should keep in mind and give a good ponder:
If you find yourself making the same arguments as CNN, MSNBC and Adam Schiff, it’s time to question your assumptions and purpose. You might be a democrat.
:yowsa: :amen: :patriot:
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Interesting @Applewood May I ask what -- just two -- things you're disappointed with the President for not doing to move the country forward? This is a sincere question.
Thanks.
@Right_in_Virginia
Not going to rehash what I've already said about him. The man is a failure as president. Just too bad that you and other Trump supporters are so easily entertained by his incessant realty tv show presidency to realize what a failure he is.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Not going to rehash what I've already said about him. The man is a failure as president. Just too bad that you and other Trump supporters are so easily entertained by his incessant realty tv show presidency to realize what a failure he is.
Hogwash!
Just by winning in 2016, he proved a success. If he had lost to Clinton...well, why waste any time with you? You just don't get it.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Not going to rehash what I've already said about him. The man is a failure as president. Just too bad that you and other Trump supporters are so easily entertained by his incessant realty tv show presidency to realize what a failure he is.
Please tell me why he's such a disappointment for you ... and give me more of a reason than style.
Come on @Applewood I'm trying to understand why you use the label "failure". There's got to be more to your opinion than your delight in ridiculing my support of the President.
And don't fall back on not wanting to rehash what you've said. Obviously, I missed it, so, please, try again.
Why do you believe Donald Trump is a failure as POTUS?
Thanks.
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Hogwash!
Just by winning in 2016, he proved a success. If he had lost to Clinton...well, why waste any time with you? You just don't get it.
Thank God, Trump is President to lead us through this pandemic.
Prayers up for this country and our President on this Memorial Day!! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Hogwash!
Just by winning in 2016, he proved a success.
And what did he do with that win? He didn't keep his campaign promises. He will not curb runaway spending; in fact, he's adding to it. He has a wall started, which will be useless so long as our immigration system continues to let in illegals and so-called refugees. And the federal response to COVID 19 consists of him conducting COVID 19 daily briefings like a campaign rally, arguing with reporters, governors and critics, promoting a yet to be proven remedy for COVID, lying and blaming others. He's a failure and he knows it. His supporters know it too, but they will continue to vote for him because doing so "saves us" from the Democrats. What a crock!
If he had lost to Clinton...well, why waste any time with you? You just don't get it.
I get what a terrible failure he is. It's a shame Trump has so many bamboozled into believing he is some sort of a god or savior.
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Thank God, Trump is President to lead us through this pandemic.
Prayers up for this country and our President on this Memorial Day!! :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Thanks for the positive, uplifting message. So appropriate today and much more appealing than it's opposite.
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Thanks for the positive, uplifting message. So appropriate today and much more appealing than it's opposite.
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And what did he do with that win? He didn't keep his campaign promises. He will not curb runaway spending; in fact, he's adding to it. He has a wall started, which will be useless so long as our immigration system continues to let in illegals and so-called refugees. And the federal response to COVID 19 consists of him conducting COVID 19 daily briefings like a campaign rally, arguing with reporters, governors and critics, promoting a yet to be proven remedy for COVID, lying and blaming others. He's a failure and he knows it. His supporters know it too, but they will continue to vote for him because doing so "saves us" from the Democrats. What a crock!
I get what a terrible failure he is. It's a shame Trump has so many bamboozled into believing he is some sort of a god or savior.
Sorry ... but to slam our President on Memorial Day as he visits Arlington is quite inappropriate. Just sayin' :patriot: :patriot:
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I think one of the problems we’re having here is that the Office Of Presidency over the years has been imbued with an almost mythical status, and people tend to put the presidency, if not the president himself, on a pedestal.
How can a position that is embraced with such reverence be occupied by anyone less than perfect? Well, no one human really can measure up to that. And as a supporter of President Trump, I can see where this could be problematic for some critics.
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Sorry ... but to slam our President on Memorial Day as he visits Arlington is quite inappropriate. Just sayin' :patriot: :patriot:
Actually, according to Trump fans, I'm not allowed to "slam" Trump on any other day either. Pffft!
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Actually, according to Trump fans, I'm not allowed to "slam" Trump on any other day either. Pffft!
You should it double today, then.
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I get what a terrible failure he is. It's a shame Trump has so many bamboozled into believing he is some sort of a god or savior.
A god or savior? This is coming from you and you alone.
We supporters of the President see a kid from Queens, NY who gave up a life of private luxury because he loves this country and believes in her people, her vision, her right to exist as a sovereign state ---- and who always, always puts America and our interests first.
We really value having a President of the United States in the Oval Office, not a global citizen.
And what's more, we happen to like the guy. :patriot:
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I think one of the problems we’re having here is that the Office Of Presidency over the years has been imbued with an almost mythical status, and people tend to put the presidency, if not the president himself, on a pedestal.
How can a position that is embraced with such reverence be occupied by anyone less than perfect? Well, no one human really can measure up to that. And as a supporter of President Trump, I can see where this could be problematic for some critics.
I don't expect perfection. No one should. After all, the president is human like everyone else and like everyone else, he makes mistakes.
I just expected that this president would have at least made an effort to keep his campaign promises and do his job. I've said this before -- I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I had hoped he would prove me wrong, keep his promises and do great things. He didn't, that's all.
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A god or savior? This is coming from you and you alone.
We supporters of the President see a kid from Queens, NY who gave up a life of private luxury because he loves this country and believes in her people, her vision, her right to exist as a sovereign state ---- and who always, always puts America and our interests first.
We really value having a President of the United States in the Oval Office, not a global citizen.
And what's more, we happen to like the guy. :patriot:
And you are allowed to support him. But I am allowed to give my opinion of him which may be contrary to yours. Apparently, some Trump supporters have forgotten we do have freedom of speech in this country.
And as for Trump being designated some sort of god or savior -- well, you might want to look at what some of those religious leaders have said about him. And how often have I read and heard Trump supporters call him a "savior" -- as in saving us from the Democrats? No, it's not coming from me.
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I don't expect perfection. No one should. After all, the president is human like everyone else and like everyone else, he makes mistakes.
I just expected that this president would have at least made an effort to keep his campaign promises and do his job. I've said this before -- I didn't vote for him in 2016, but I had hoped he would prove me wrong, keep his promises and do great things. He didn't, that's all.
You forgot to add the qualifier, “in my humble opinion.†That usually helps to calm the waters.
In my opinion, we’re lucky to have him. The right man, at the right time in history. Sorry you can’t see that.
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I just expected that this president would have at least made an effort to keep his campaign promises and do his job.
Ah, more nonsense from the uninformed. God bless America --- especially today --- when we remember the men and women who gave the ultimate sacrifice for your right to spew it.. happy77
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Hogwash!
Just by winning in 2016, he proved a success. If he had lost to Clinton...well, why waste any time with you? You just don't get it.
There are a few here, that ignore Trump's accomplishments. Pre-virus roaring economy-stock market, conservative judges, regulatory reductions, foreign affairs changes, winding down wars etc.
Esteemed real scholar historians like Victor Davis Hanson, and Newt Gingrich write and speak very favorably about Trump.
Seldom mentioned, the fact he won--breaking the streak of dismal Republicans like McCain and Romney.
Hapy Memorial Day, to other vets on the site (and their families).
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You should it double today, then.
Right.
Prayers up for Donald Trump; may the Lord God bless him and continue to lead him as he takes this country in a much more positive direction to save our Republic. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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I think one of the problems we’re having here is that the Office Of Presidency over the years has been imbued with an almost mythical status, and people tend to put the presidency, if not the president himself, on a pedestal.
How can a position that is embraced with such reverence be occupied by anyone less than perfect? Well, no one human really can measure up to that. And as a supporter of President Trump, I can see where this could be problematic for some critics.
Its like the day you realize your parents aren't perfect. Usually around 12 or 13 years old.
It takes another decade or two before you appreciate them as imperfect human beings doing the best they can to be parents.
And you realize they didn't do a half bad job.
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There are a few here, that ignore Trump's accomplishments. Pre-virus roaring economy-stock market, conservative judges, regulatory reductions, foreign affairs changes, winding down wars etc.
Esteemed real scholar historians like Victor Davis Hanson, and Newt Gingrich write and speak very favorably about Trump.
Seldom mentioned, the fact he won--breaking the streak of dismal Republicans like McCain and Romney.
Hapy Memorial Day, to other vets on the site (and their families).
Great post! :patriot:
I respect both the historians you mentioned. They know that flawed people can and have made great presidents.
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I think one of the problems we’re having here is that the Office Of Presidency over the years has been imbued with an almost mythical status, and people tend to put the presidency, if not the president himself, on a pedestal.
How can a position that is embraced with such reverence be occupied by anyone less than perfect? Well, no one human really can measure up to that. And as a supporter of President Trump, I can see where this could be problematic for some critics.
And it is not just with the presidency... sports figure and hollywierds... anything they say/do is gold..
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Its like the day you realize your parents aren't perfect. Usually around 12 or 13 years old.
It takes another decade or two before you appreciate them as imperfect human beings doing the best they can to be parents.
And you realize they didn't do a half bad job.
My father was terribly, verbally and physically abusive to mom and my brothers and me. I came to terms with it later on in his life. But, he was a hard man and in some ways, a good man, worked hard to provide for us. But it wasn’t until after he died, laid out on that hospital bed, that I forgave him everything.
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My father was terribly, verbally and physically abusive to mom and my brothers and me. I came to terms with it later on in his life. But, he was a hard man and in some ways, a good man, worked hard to provide for us. But it wasn’t until after he died, laid out on that hospital bed, that I forgave him everything.
Thankfully I went through that process awhile before mine passed.
Today my daughter in law tells me middle aged white males - meaning me - are 'insensitive'. The cycle continues.
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You’re free to ignore authors whose theses offend You. Or, you could read and learn. Of course, you’re too brilliant to learn anything new except your own delusions. You are what’s known in the biz as a highly educated idiot.
By the way, the author contrasts as well as compares. Be afraid, be very afraid you might learn something new.
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During my time at Trinity in Dublin, I became intimately familiar w/the Churchill Family
and their legacy, dating back to Lord Randolph.
Comparing any of them to a buffoon like Trump, is a farce beneath absurd.
Suggest you get back on your donkey and rejoin the clown posse.
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Please don't disrespect me simply because I responded to what you, in your infinite wisdom, posted.
If you don't like my reaction to your comments, please, try posting something that isn't vacuous.
Thanks. :beer:
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Deal; no vacuity, just the record of history!
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Currently I can think of only one real reason to vote for Trump - and that will be if Barr brings charges against high level people in the FBI and elsewhere prior to the election. If he were to do that, then Barr needs the means to continue. Otherwise it will all be washed under the rug - and may be anyway. So far Barr has not proven he's serious about it.
I see where you are going with that.
But nope. Just on the fiscal matters - completely oh hell no... If the fiscal were not so egregious, I could fall back into other principle things and still be oh hell no.. Maybe five times over.
Nope.
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I am not going to laugh. That isn't funny.
Trumps Spiritual Adviser Paula White said that too.
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump
I know, right?
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@Right_in_Virginia
Not going to rehash what I've already said about him. The man is a failure as president. Just too bad that you and other Trump supporters are so easily entertained by his incessant realty tv show presidency to realize what a failure he is.
That's right. :beer:
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Hogwash!
Just by winning in 2016, he proved a success. If he had lost to Clinton...well, why waste any time with you? You just don't get it.
That depends entirely upon your definition of 'winning'.
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I think one of the problems we’re having here is that the Office Of Presidency over the years has been imbued with an almost mythical status, and people tend to put the presidency, if not the president himself, on a pedestal.
How can a position that is embraced with such reverence be occupied by anyone less than perfect? Well, no one human really can measure up to that. And as a supporter of President Trump, I can see where this could be problematic for some critics.
I wouldn't respect him if he was the CEO of any company I work for either. Disgusting, and non professional.
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And what did he do with that win? He didn't keep his campaign promises. He will not curb runaway spending; in fact, he's adding to it. He has a wall started, which will be useless so long as our immigration system continues to let in illegals and so-called refugees. And the federal response to COVID 19 consists of him conducting COVID 19 daily briefings like a campaign rally, arguing with reporters, governors and critics, promoting a yet to be proven remedy for COVID, lying and blaming others. He's a failure and he knows it. His supporters know it too, but they will continue to vote for him because doing so "saves us" from the Democrats. What a crock!
I get what a terrible failure he is. It's a shame Trump has so many bamboozled into believing he is some sort of a god or savior.
Post of the day. True^
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My father was terribly, verbally and physically abusive to mom and my brothers and me. I came to terms with it later on in his life. But, he was a hard man and in some ways, a good man, worked hard to provide for us. But it wasn’t until after he died, laid out on that hospital bed, that I forgave him everything.
@aligncare
I heard that... Likewise... The very hard way. But by the grace of YHWH, we were settled the day before he died. And he died unexpectedly. The very last words I said to my father, the final words left from a tumultuous relationship were 'I love ya dad.' We broke even that night. the balance sheet cleared off. The next morning I got the word.
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Thankfully I went through that process awhile before mine passed.
Today my daughter in law tells me middle aged white males - meaning me - are 'insensitive'. The cycle continues.
HA! I've heard that song before. :beer:
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Sorry ... but to slam our President on Memorial Day as he visits Arlington is quite inappropriate. Just sayin' :patriot: :patriot:
Hmm, you should visit Trumps twitter page for a dose of your own medicine.
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I think one of the problems we’re having here is that the Office Of Presidency over the years has been imbued with an almost mythical status, and people tend to put the presidency, if not the president himself, on a pedestal.
How can a position that is embraced with such reverence be occupied by anyone less than perfect? Well, no one human really can measure up to that. And as a supporter of President Trump, I can see where this could be problematic for some critics.
I wouldn't respect him if he was the CEO of any company I work for either. Disgusting, and non professional.
The charge of perfectionism is absurd. No one is expecting perfection. In fact, I will deny @aligncare 's reasoning entirely. I am the last person to be impressed by putting on airs. The very last to expect a political messiah. In fact, IMHO, that charge can be fully turned around and fired back at the Tumpsters... 'Style' is what I see out of him, more than substance... and that style, being unorthodox, seems to be all that draws them.
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The charge of perfectionism is absurd. No one is expecting perfection. In fact, I will deny @aligncare 's reasoning entirely. I am the last person to be impressed by putting on airs. The very last to expect a political messiah. In fact, IMHO, that charge can be fully turned around and fired back at the Tumpsters... 'Style' is what I see out of him, more than substance... and that style, being unorthodox, seems to be all that draws them.
Style unbecoming of Commander In Chief.
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Style unbecoming of Commander In Chief.
Sorry if I'm not for style over substance.
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Why are you always focused on activities between the sheets and the size of a man's wallet? This raises interesting questions about what's not happening for *you*.
@Right_in_Virginia @Absalom
RIV,in truth,I think it tells us more about them than it does about Trump.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Not going to rehash what I've already said about him. The man is a failure as president. Just too bad that you and other Trump supporters are so easily entertained by his incessant realty tv show presidency to realize what a failure he is.
@Applewood
So,you are now getting your philosophical insigh/ts from Goober Gore,and declaring "Whut's sposta be up iz doawn,and whut's suposta be doawn,iz up!"
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Hogwash!
Just by winning in 2016, he proved a success. If he had lost to Clinton...well, why waste any time with you? You just don't get it.
@DCPatriot
I think they really DO "get it",and that's what has them so pissed off. They dreamed of a Christian Saint coming down from Heaven to save us all,and got stuck with a human.
HOW are they going to justify his successes to themselves? They aren't because they CAN'T without overturning their belief systems.
De Nial ain't just a river.
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@DCPatriot
I think they really DO "get it",and that's what has them so pissed off. They dreamed of a Christian Saint coming down from Heaven to save us all,and got stuck with a human.
HOW are they going to justify his successes to themselves? They aren't because they CAN'T without overturning their belief systems.
De Nial ain't just a river.
Success? WHAT SUCCESS? What has he ever done that can possibly justify the lost trillions? The lost liberty?
FAILURE. Utter, abject failure, and that is being kind.
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Success? WHAT SUCCESS? What has he ever done that can possibly justify the lost trillions? The lost liberty?
FAILURE. Utter, abject failure, and that is being kind.
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@Right_in_Virginia @Absalom
RIV,in truth,I think it tells us more about them than it does about Trump.
I see your point @sneakypete ... and it's a damn good one.
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Sorry if I'm not for style over substance.
Please, don't apologize :thumbsup:
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Gallipoli was an abject failure in nearly every conceivable way. "Czarist" Russia surrendered, essentially, to the Germans in 1917 and collapsed under the weight of internal revolution thereafter...if anything, the failure at Gallipoli hastened that process.
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The fundamental objective of the Gallipoli Campaign was to force the Ottomans to
divert troops from the Crimea, then threatening Russia; the secondary objective being
to force the Ottoman Empire out of the War.
Gallipoli commenced in Feb 1915 and Czarist Russian signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
in Feb 1918, which kept Russia fighting Germany till then.
That required Von Hindenburg and a million German soldiers to defend Berlin which is
but 40 miles from the Russian border, as Poland did not then exist; for 3 years longer.
This prevented them from overwhelming the French on the western front.
By that measure Gallipoli was an obvious success notwithstanding the needless casualties.
The campaign failed tactically because of British Commander Sir Ian Hamilton's ineptitude,
and not of Winston Churchill, which Sir John Keegan noted in his epic "First World War".
Never leaving his ship stateroom, Hamilton did not survey the landing sites which was disastrous.
As a result, the ANZAC forces came ashore on lateral beaches of some 250 meters in length which then rose sharply at an angle of some 30 to 45 degrees representing hillsides filled w/Turkish machine gun nests and snipers. The consequence were casualties of 200 thousand w/45,000 dead.
Also, Gallipoli had nothing to do w/the overthrow of the Czar.
As for Trump/Churchill, any similarity is ludicrous fantasy of those who get history from comic books.
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Success? WHAT SUCCESS? What has he ever done that can possibly justify the lost trillions? The lost liberty?
FAILURE. Utter, abject failure, and that is being kind.
@roamer_1
WHAT "lost trillions and lost liberty"? TRY being honest by telling us about a budget HE proposed that is filled with waste and spending for the destruction of America?
While you are at it,tell us all about the loss of liberty due to Trump's policy decrees.
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@Chosen Daughter
Your feet stink and Jesus doesn't love you.
Just saying.......
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@roamer_1
WHAT "lost trillions and lost liberty"? TRY being honest by telling us about a budget HE proposed that is filled with waste and spending for the destruction of America?
@sneakypete
What friggin budget?
While you are at it,tell us all about the loss of liberty due to Trump's policy decrees.
REALLY? Almost three months shut down. REALLY?
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@Applewood
So,you are now getting your philosophical insigh/ts from Goober Gore,and declaring "Whut's sposta be up iz doawn,and whut's suposta be doawn,iz up!"
@sneakypete
One of the things I admire about you -- you never fail to counter my reasonable, well thought out posts with bullshit. :silly:
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@Chosen Daughter
Your feet stink and Jesus doesn't love you.
Just saying.......
If your saying that because you have been speaking to Jesus I would be happy. Are you?
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@sneakypete
What friggin budget?
@roamer_1
That's MY line. YOU are the one always whining about his excess spending.
REALLY? Almost three months shut down. REALLY?
And HOW is Trump responsible for that? Tell us a Fairy Tale,gramps!
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@sneakypete
What friggin budget?
REALLY? Almost three months shut down. REALLY?
Trump administration budget proposal. The Trump administration proposed its 2018 budget on February 27, 2017, ahead of his address to Congress, outlining $54 billion in cuts to federal agencies and an increase in defense spending.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_federal_budget
It includes proposals to cut deficits by more than $3 trillion over a decade and lower debt levels as a percentage of the gross domestic product, but does not balance by doing away with annual deficits.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373413-trump-releases-2019-budget
The 2017 budget was prior to Trump taking office.
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@sneakypete
One of the things I admire about you -- you never fail to counter my reasonable, well thought out posts with bullshit. :silly:
@Applewood
That's some funny stuff right there,I don't care who you are!
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If your saying that because you have been speaking to Jesus I would be happy. Are you?
@Chosen Daughter
Sorta. He told me he doesn't like you in a email.
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And HOW is Trump responsible for that? Tell us a Fairy Tale,gramps!
I guess you didn't see the historic declaration of emergency which for the first time in history involved ALL 50 states. That's FEMA power pal. HE shut it all down.
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I guess you didn't see the historic declaration of emergency which for the first time in history involved ALL 50 states. That's FEMA power pal. HE shut it all down.
I would be interested a link showing Trump ordered a nationwide shutdown... the President cannot, but the governors did...
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@Applewood
That's some funny stuff right there,I don't care who you are!
@sneakypete
Glad I could bring a ray of sunshine into your dark world. *****rollingeyes*****
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The 2017 budget was prior to Trump taking office.
Yes it was. And that sure as hell ain't what happened where the rubber hit the road.
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I would be interested a link showing Trump ordered a nationwide shutdown... the President cannot, but the governors did...
I suggest you look at FEMA powers under a declared emergency.
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I suggest you look at FEMA powers under a declared emergency.
@roamer_1
I have never read or heard of Trump ORDERING a shutdown... he suggested but Never ordered.Unless you have evidence to the contrary....
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Yes it was. And that sure as hell ain't what happened where the rubber hit the road.
At least Trump tried, congress are the ones that dropped the ball so you need to yell at them.
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@roamer_1
I have never read or heard of Trump ORDERING a shutdown... he suggested but Never ordered.Unless you have evidence to the contrary....
https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/
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https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/ (https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/)
Trump said, “My administration is recommending that all Americans, including the young and healthy, work to engage in schooling from home when possible, avoid gathering in groups of more than ten people, avoid discretionary travel and avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts.â€
All the rest is liberal speak...
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All the rest is liberal speak...
How dishonest of you. Pick out a sentence.
President Donald J. Trump continues to take coronavirus seriously, which has done since his travel ban to infected countries, which were largely castigated as “racist†and “xenophobic†by the nation’s Democrats. And less than an hour ago, President Trump issued a directive to the country to ban gatherings over ten people, most commerce, and discretionary travel.
https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/
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https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/
Your link does not support your assertion. In fact, it goes to some lengths explaining how he can't order things that can't be enforced. He didn't "order" Governors to be tyrants, they did that on their own to varying degrees, and we've seen which party has the greatest lust for power at the State level.
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How dishonest of you. Pick out a sentence.
President Donald J. Trump continues to take coronavirus seriously, which has done since his travel ban to infected countries, which were largely castigated as “racist†and “xenophobic†by the nation’s Democrats. And less than an hour ago, President Trump issued a directive to the country to ban gatherings over ten people, most commerce, and discretionary travel.
https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/ (https://pulpitandpen.org/2020/03/16/trump-orders-total-shut-down-restrictions-on-gatherings-commerce-and-travel/)
lol... I picked out what Trump actually said, all the rest is the liberal swing on what they wanted him to say.... click bait headline...
You picked out the statement that included the word RACIST and xenophobic... talk about dishonesty...
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lol... I picked out what Trump actually said, all the rest is the liberal swing on what they wanted him to say.... click bait headline...
You picked out the statement that included the word RACIST and xenophobic... talk about dishonesty...
:mauslaff:
That was referring to liberals being racist and xenophobic. LOL! Trump shutdown to make liberals happy so they wouldn't call him racist or xenophobic.
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@Chosen Daughter
Sorta. He told me he doesn't like you in a email.
Well I know He loves you so I am glad.
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@roamer_1
I have never read or heard of Trump ORDERING a shutdown... he suggested but Never ordered.Unless you have evidence to the contrary....
@EdinVA
Riiiight. With FEMA supplying 3 dollars for every one from the states', You think 'federal guidelines' WON'T be followed? Only a handful of states didn't comply. SoDak, Neb, and Fla, with Desantis finally caving, as I recall, due to influence by Tump.
OF COURSE they are going to follow the guidelines, and more. They are incentivized to get at that fat FEMA money.
You don't get to claim clean hands. I saw his dumb ass standing up there with WHO and CDC. Dang near every day.
And note: I was *for* him in this at the beginning, when he called it bullcrap. Should have stuck to his gut. But he didn't. He folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair.
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At least Trump tried, congress are the ones that dropped the ball so you need to yell at them.
Tried my butt. Any moron can get out his crayons and make a picture. That's all that budget was. Campaign bullcrap.
In the mean time, what REALLY happened, was a pretty much rubber stamp factory for every single continuing resolution AND MORE. AND MORE. AND MORE.
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Tried my butt. Any moron can get out his crayons and make a picture. That's all that budget was. Campaign bullcrap.
In the mean time, what REALLY happened, was a pretty much rubber stamp factory for every single continuing resolution AND MORE. AND MORE. AND MORE.
Hmmm. Lemme think. :pondering:
The will to spend is provided by the "peoples house," and the only thing standing in the way is one President. (The Senate is inconsequential since the 17th Amendment.) No power imbalance in that equation at all. None.
The President can veto to his heart's content, but 2/3 of the Peoples House can override and spend it all anyway. That's the wildcard in the mix. The massive spending of the past few months all passed with extremely veto-proof majorities, so that looks like an ant trying to stop a steamroller.
Damn You, Donald Trump!! You are such a spendthrift! Off with your head. :pootrump:
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Hmmm. Lemme think. :pondering:
The will to spend is provided by the "peoples house," and the only thing standing in the way is one President. (The Senate is inconsequential since the 17th Amendment.) No power imbalance in that equation at all. None.
The President can veto to his heart's content, but 2/3 of the Peoples House can override and spend it all anyway. That's the wildcard in the mix. The massive spending of the past few months all passed with extremely veto-proof majorities, so that looks like an ant trying to stop a steamroller.
Damn You, Donald Trump!! You are such a spendthrift! Off with your head. :pootrump:
If he wants credz as a fiscal conservative, he can't have a rubber stamp. It is HIS JOB. That is why his signature is required. The minute he signs it, he OWNS it.
Don't sign it. table it. veto it. Let em override. Then I would not have the point. But you can't have it both ways.
And I will take exception wrt the senate. Senate Republicans are every bit as at fault. Including Cruz.
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If he wants credz as a fiscal conservative, he can't have a rubber stamp. It is HIS JOB. That is why his signature is required. The minute he signs it, he OWNS it.
Don't sign it. table it. veto it. Let em override. Then I would not have the point. But you can't have it both ways.
And I will take exception wrt the senate. Senate Republicans are every bit as at fault. Including Cruz.
:thumbsup:
I'm tired of Trump being absolved of all blame for the feds spending us into bankruptcy. He shares the blame with the rest of them -- Republican and Democrat.
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:thumbsup:
I'm tired of Trump being absolved of all blame for the feds spending us into bankruptcy. He shares the blame with the rest of them -- Republican and Democrat.
That's right. and this is no small thing - This is DEVASTATING debt.
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If he wants credz as a fiscal conservative, he can't have a rubber stamp. It is HIS JOB. That is why his signature is required. The minute he signs it, he OWNS it.
Don't sign it. table it. veto it. Let em override. Then I would not have the point. But you can't have it both ways.
And I will take exception wrt the senate. Senate Republicans are every bit as at fault. Including Cruz.
So you want it shut down.... for how long?
It has been shut down for over 2 months now and you are leading the screaming for it to open again... cannot have it both ways
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Don't sign it. table it. veto it. Let em override. Then I would not have the point. But you can't have it both ways.
I'm searching the Constitution for the "table it" option. Nope. Either Veto, Sign, or allow to become law without a signature.
No Tabling option there. Sorry. Congress would have overridden.
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So you want it shut down.... for how long?
It has been shut down for over 2 months now and you are leading the screaming for it to open again... cannot have it both ways
How am I screaming to open up the government? That ain't me. Though if it is truly shut off, we should be saving money, not spending like a drunken sailor.
I am screaming to open the NATION. Business. Travel. Industry. Get the heck out of the dang way.
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How am I screaming to open up the government? That ain't me. Though if it is truly shut off, we should be saving money, not spending like a drunken sailor.
I am screaming to open the NATION. Business. Travel. Industry. Get the heck out of the dang way.
I don't want "government" opened either.
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I'm searching the Constitution for the "table it" option. Nope. Either Veto, Sign, or allow to become law without a signature.
No Tabling option there. Sorry. Congress would have overridden.
Look up the pocket veto. If he does not sign, and Congress is adjourned, the bill is effectively tabled.
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:thumbsup:
I'm tired of Trump being absolved of all blame for the feds spending us into bankruptcy. He shares the blame with the rest of them -- Republican and Democrat.
No one is absolving him. He’s no more innocent than he is guilty for the whole mess. Trump is responsible insofar as he became president, as would anyone else assuming his position. He sought the position so he gets the Executives portion of the blame.
Although I recall him leading the longest budget shutdown in the nations history a year or two ago, you can credit him for that, or not.
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Look up the pocket veto. If he does not sign, and Congress is adjourned, the bill is effectively tabled.
As if Congress was "Adjourned." It was not. It was Sign, or Don't Sign and be overridden by 90-10 in the Senate.
Obviously Trump's fault.
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So you want it shut down.... for how long?
It has been shut down for over 2 months now and you are leading the screaming for it to open again... cannot have it both ways
Nothing has been shut down as far as government goes. They all got pay checks. Every one of them uninterrupted even though they didn't show up for work.
As far as not trying, you are all ready defeated. You excuse not doing something because you say it can't be done - and therefore it will never be done. And if it will never be done then train wreck is coming - period. What difference does it make if he's at the helm or not if he can't do jack about the most destructive thing government is doing to everyone's future? And the truth is Trump cares little about massive deficit spending. He never has. He's been the leverage king all his adult life. He only cares about who gets and doesn't get the money. Just a different flavor of big government who knows best while obliterating our financial future.
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As if Congress was "Adjourned." It was not. It was Sign, or Don't Sign and be overridden by 90-10 in the Senate.
Obviously Trump's fault.
Then veto and let them override.
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No one is absolving him. He’s no more innocent than he is guilty for the whole mess. Trump is responsible insofar as he became president, as would anyone else assuming his position. He sought the position so he gets the Executives portion of the blame.
And the buck stops here.
Although I recall him leading the longest budget shutdown in the nations history a year or two ago, you can credit him for that, or not.
I would laud that action, honestly I would... but he blinked.
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Then veto and let them override.
Other than making you happy, what would that accomplish?
What would it cost politically?
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Then veto and let them override.
Sure, if you want to elect the rotten politician of the Democrats' choice in November.
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Other than making you happy, what would that accomplish?
What would it cost politically?
He could honestly claim he actually couldn't help it, and he could claim fiscal prudence.
That's what he gets with a veto.
If he signs, he endorses. Either that means he is FOR it, or it means he is rubber-stamping and avoiding his JOB... while claiming to be the most conservative EVAH. To Tumpster applause. *****rollingeyes*****
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Sure, if you want to elect the rotten politician of the Democrats' choice in November.
Then what the hell's the difference?
AT LEAST have the courage of your convictions, rather than doing like a Democrat to avoid election of Democrats. But that would require those actual convictions in the first place.
There it is. Goes to the definition of 'winning'.
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He could honestly claim he actually couldn't help it, and he could claim fiscal prudence.
That's what he gets with a veto.
If he signs, he endorses. Either that means he is FOR it, or it means he is rubber-stamping and avoiding his JOB... while claiming to be the most conservative EVAH. To Tumpster applause. *****rollingeyes*****
So, if I understand, your saying he should always vote even if he will lose... got it.. :seeya:
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So, if I understand, your saying he should always vote even if he will lose... got it.. :seeya:
You meant 'veto' I assume, and YES. Not to say every time. but certainly there will be no budget if everybody knows the rubber stamp will happen.
ALL the power of the President's pen is made naught.
Losing is bending to their will and endorsing what is obviously wrong..
If Republicans will not stand for Conservatism, who will?
Good Lord but we need grownups back in charge.
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You meant 'veto' I assume, and YES. Not to say every time. but certainly there will be no budget if everybody knows the rubber stamp will happen.
ALL the power of the President's pen is made naught.
Losing is bending to their will and endorsing what is obviously wrong..
If Republicans will not stand for Conservatism, who will?
Good Lord but we need grownups back in charge.
Geeez @roamer_1 .. I was trying to bust your chops for refusing to vote...
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Geeez @roamer_1 .. I was trying to bust your chops for refusing to vote...
@EdinVA
Who is refusing to vote?
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And the buck stops here.
I would laud that action, honestly I would... but he blinked.
I am fantasizing him going on a kamikaze mission to cut spending in his second term, should he get one. Although it will mean a battle royale with his own party in addition to the rats, and probably mean losing both houses of Congress and the WH in the next term. So I’m not really sure what would be accomplished in the end.
But blaming the president or a Congress really oversimplifies the issue. No one person or group can fix the problem. It’s our fault. Americans love the spending. It will take a paradigm shift in the thinking of the entire population for it to change.
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I am fantasizing him going on a kamikaze mission to cut spending in his second term, should he get one. Although it will mean a battle royale with his own party in addition to the rats, and probably mean losing both houses of Congress and the WH in the next term. So I’m not really sure what would be accomplished in the end.
That friend, is a fevered dream suitable for a romance novel. As @DB stated upthread... He's a big spender and always has been. He has spent himself into a hole many times. That's the thing I don't get in all y'all... Expecting an international globalist and proponent of Big.gov with a convenient Road to Damascus conversion to lead the Conservative charge... Y'all just eat that sh*t up.
But blaming the president or a Congress really oversimplifies the issue. No one person or group can fix the problem. It’s our fault. Americans love the spending. It will take a paradigm shift in the thinking of the entire population for it to change.
Right... SO throw the principles of fiscal conservatism under the bus... Under the plow... never to rise again... No sense in trying right?
The problem with that is the same as with gravity. Mess with it, you die. Sooner, rather than later, the celestial bean counter will come calling. and the books WILL be balanced.
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That friend, is a fevered dream suitable for a romance novel. As @DB stated upthread... He's a big spender and always has been. He has spent himself into a hole many times. That's the thing I don't get in all y'all... Expecting an international globalist and proponent of Big.gov with a convenient Road to Damascus conversion to lead the Conservative charge... Y'all just eat that sh*t up.
Right... SO throw the principles of fiscal conservatism under the bus... Under the plow... never to rise again... No sense in trying right?
The problem with that is the same as with gravity. Mess with it, you die. Sooner, rather than later, the celestial bean counter will come calling. and the books WILL be balanced.
Is that what you’re doing -“trying� Not impressed.
We may have the same idea of how this will all end, and we’ll certainly never agree what should be done, or more specifically, how to deal with what clearly is reality.
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8888mistltoe
HA! I've heard that song before. :beer:
I’m happy we have something in common. 888high58888
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Sorry if I'm not for style over substance.
:amen:
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The fundamental objective of the Gallipoli Campaign was to force the Ottomans to
divert troops from the Crimea, then threatening Russia; the secondary objective being
to force the Ottoman Empire out of the War.
Gallipoli commenced in Feb 1915 and Czarist Russian signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
in Feb 1918, which kept Russia fighting Germany till then.
That required Von Hindenburg and a million German soldiers to defend Berlin which is
but 40 miles from the Russian border, as Poland did not then exist; for 3 years longer.
This prevented them from overwhelming the French on the western front.
By that measure Gallipoli was an obvious success notwithstanding the needless casualties.
The campaign failed tactically because of British Commander Sir Ian Hamilton's ineptitude,
and not of Winston Churchill, which Sir John Keegan noted in his epic "First World War".
Never leaving his ship stateroom, Hamilton did not survey the landing sites which was disastrous.
As a result, the ANZAC forces came ashore on lateral beaches of some 250 meters in length which then rose sharply at an angle of some 30 to 45 degrees representing mountainsides filled w/Turkish machine gun nests and snipers. The consequence were casualties of 200 thousand w/45,000 dead.
Also, Gallipoli had nothing to do w/the overthrow of the Czar.
As for Trump/Churchill, any similarity is ludicrous fantasy of those who get history from comic books.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/9-reasons-why-gallipoli-was-one-of-the-worst-fighting-fronts-of-the-first-world-war (https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/9-reasons-why-gallipoli-was-one-of-the-worst-fighting-fronts-of-the-first-world-war)
The men WASTED at Gallipoli could have impacted the war in far better and much more effective ways...pretending this ugly defeat was some sort of victory is entirely unjustified. Trying to divert resources from other fronts...yes. Wasting that effort in an ugly defeat that drew deeply on the allies own resources...not a good idea.
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The other guy is a liberal too?
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Is that what you’re doing -“trying� Not impressed.
We may have the same idea of how this will all end, and we’ll certainly never agree what should be done, or more specifically, how to deal with what clearly is reality.
The reality is what you've been doing and the the vast majority of the GOP has been doing isn't working.
And if you keep doing what your doing it will only end in economic collapse.
Until enough people have the courage to leave the plantation and not reward those who are destroying us nothing will change for the better in any real lasting sense.
Your only answer is the other side is worse. So you are stuck in fear trying to hold on to what little you have left accepting whatever morsels offered to avoid that worse alternative. Essentially owning you and your vote no matter what they do - because you say you have no other choice and will vote for them... In the mean time it is all slipping away.
And as long as you and others accept that bargain, we all lose. As demonstrated year after year. Decade after decade. What cannot continue will not continue. Time is running out if it hasn't already.
That's the hard cold reality of the situation.
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The other guy is a liberal too?
@Chosen Daughter
Please post a video of yourself doing your little "Superiority Dance" if Trump looses and Biden,your preference,wins.
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The reality is what you've been doing and the the vast majority of the GOP has been doing isn't working.
And if you keep doing what your doing it will only end in economic collapse.
Until enough people have the courage to leave the plantation and not reward those who are destroying us nothing will change for the better in any real lasting sense.
Your only answer is the other side is worse. So you are stuck in fear trying to hold on to what little you have left accepting whatever morsels offered to avoid that worse alternative. Essentially owning you and your vote no matter what they do - because you say you have no other choice and will vote for them... In the mean time it is all slipping away.
And as long as you and others accept that bargain, we all lose. As demonstrated year after year. Decade after decade. What cannot continue will not continue. Time is running out if it hasn't already.
That's the hard cold reality of the situation.
I understand the argument. I even agree to a point. What you guys don't seem to understand is that most Americans do not agree with us. So the real choice is participate and try to influence things or drop out and watch. Fact.
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I understand the argument. What you guys don't seem to understand is that it will take decades to build another party to the point it can compete with the other two. That is a fact, as well. We no longer have the time.
From another perspective, the mean, median, mode (whatever) of the exact political center has shifted left for a long time now. Only an early 1860's type jolt is going to realign that. We are getting pretty damned close to where 50% + 1 voter has their lips surgically attached to the left hind teat of the US Taxpayer funded Sow. Those voters are not going to vote away their "gubmit checks", and other giveaways. We are closing in on the Point of no Return sadly.
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From another perspective, the mean, median, mode (whatever) of the exact political center has shifted left for a long time now. Only an early 1860's type jolt is going to realign that. We are getting pretty damned close to where 50% + 1 voter has their lips surgically attached to the left hind teat of the US Taxpayer funded Sow. Those voters are not going to vote away their "gubmit checks", and other giveaways. We are closing in on the Point of no Return sadly.
That jolt is coming regardless of whom is in charge. I kind of look at whats going on now as buying time by controlling the descent and pray for a miracle.
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@Chosen Daughter
Please post a video of yourself doing your little "Superiority Dance" if Trump loses and Biden,your preference,wins.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY_DF2Af3LM#)
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I understand the argument. I even agree to a point. What you guys don't seem to understand is that most Americans do not agree with us. So the real choice is participate and try to influence things or drop out and watch. Fact.
If republicans lose it all in November...well...
Well...Just let that sink in.
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If republicans lose it all in November...well...
Well...Just let that sink in.
I make no apology for believing they cannot be allowed.
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Right... SO throw the principles of fiscal conservatism under the bus... Under the plow... never to rise again... No sense in trying right?
Voting (straight-ticket) Republican in November, as flawed as this is, is the only way to keep the principles of fiscal conservatism alive.
Giving the House, the Senate and the WH to the Socialist-Democrats is the surest way to bury any glimmer of conservatism through your grandchildren's lifetimes.
I know you rage against this .... but sometimes truth does hurt.
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I make no apology for believing they cannot be allowed.
Some people around here seem not to care about stopping the democrats. They’re gonna vote the way they’re gonna vote. Period.
They must believe that if it all blows up and democrats take all three branches, that things in America will get so bad that somehow a Conservative Star will rise from the ashes to save their sorry butts.
...they also must believe they’ll win the mega millions lottery.
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Voting (straight-ticket) Republican in November, as flawed as this is, is the only way to keep the principles of fiscal conservatism alive.
Analogy in my mind, is that the choices are:
(1) Torch the Garden (unprincipled non-conservative GOP)
(2) Salt the Garden (allow unilateral control by dims)
At least with scenario 1, the sub-surface seeds live, and there's hope for return.
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Some people around here seem not to care about stopping the democrats. They’re gonna vote they way they’re gonna vote. Period.
They must believe that if it all blows up and democrats take all three branches, that things in America will get so bad that somehow a Conservative Star will rise from the ashes to save their sorry butts.
...they also must believe they’ll win the mega millions lottery.
At this point I do not think it’s possible for us to agree on the direction forward.
I do very much resent being told I’m part of the problem though.
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I do very much resent being told I’m part of the problem though.
I agree. Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him. After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.
So believe me..... I am not voting for this jerk. I am voting for our country's survival,and Trump happens to be the "R there", and I am voting that way... Biden is not the solution.
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Analogy in my mind, is that the choices are:
(1) Torch the Garden (unprincipled non-conservative GOP)
(2) Salt the Garden (allow unilateral control by dims)
At least with scenario 1, the sub-surface seeds live, and there's hope for return.
Oh, blah , blah, blah. The choice is unchanged and remains yours .... vote to keep conservatism alive or ego vote to kill it off for good. :shrug:
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Oh, blah , blah, blah. The choice is unchanged and remains yours .... vote to keep conservatism alive or ego vote to kill it off for good. :shrug:
Read my last post... You are the poster boy of that club.
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I agree. Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him. After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.
So believe me..... I am not voting for this jerk. I am voting for our country's survival. Biden is not the solution.
You're a funny guy, @catfish1957
After seeing firsthand what the man has accomplished facing insurmountable attacks by an adversarial media...all in 3 years??
They manufactured a phony bank crisis to give us Barack Obama. And then they got in cahoots with the Chinese Communist Party to serve up a pandemic.
...and he's STILL going to kick their ass come November.
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You're a funny guy, @catfish1957
After seeing firsthand what the man has accomplished facing insurmountable attacks by an adversarial media...all in 3 years??
They manufactured a phony bank crisis to give us Barack Obama. And then they got in cahoots with the Chinese Communist Party to serve up a pandemic.
...and he's STILL going to kick their ass come November.
I hope Trump wins. But that still the hell means I don't have to like the jerk. Or point out the stupid shit he says.
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I hope Trump wins. But that still the hell means I don't have to like the jerk. Or point out the stupid shit he says.
Don't have any problem with that my friend.
Was responding to your suggestion that if we "Trumpians" had taken the time to engage you in a less mocking and more persuasive tone, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Now, that is funny! :laugh:
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I agree. Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him. After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.
So believe me..... I am not voting for this jerk. I am voting for our country's survival,and Trump happens to be the "R there", and I am voting that way... Biden is not the solution.
So all of this "I hate Trump" crap is over the fact that Trump beat Cruz??
Politics is a winner take all battle, Cruz knew this....
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So all of this "I hate Trump" crap is over the fact that Trump beat Cruz??
Politics is a winner take all battle, Cruz knew this....
99% of the time I'd agree. In this particular case, lines were crossed.....................
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Don't have any problem with that my friend.
Was responding to your suggestion that if we "Trumpians" had taken the time to engage you in a less mocking and more persuasive tone, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Now, that is funny! :laugh:
Not as much as squelching the conversation, but it seems this NT v. AT thing has gotten out of hand, and if some common ground (any) can be reached, the better chance Trump has. Principled Conservatives need to vote for Trump for him to win.... Like it or not, the local AT's habits of poking the stick in the tiger's cage doesn't help matters.
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Read my last post... You are the poster boy of that club.
You think Trump’s a jerk but you’ll reluctantly vote for him. I think he’s the greatest president since RR and will happily vote for him.
1. If Trump wins, you, I and conservatives and regular Americans win and reap the benefits. Leftists lose. What difference, if any, does that make?
2. If Trump loses and Biden wins, conservatives and regular Americans lose and reap no benefits. In that event, what difference does that make?
Hint: there’s some differences with outcome 2.
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Read my last post... You are the poster boy of that club.
Which last post? Don't play scan the forum with me. If you have something to say, say it.
But stop with the damn insults repeated ad nauseam. My point is not voting Republican in November will help turn the WH, Senate, House over to the Socialist-Democrats where they will remain in power through the lifetimes of your grandchildren. Put another way, if you don't actively vote for Republicans in November you will be actively choosing to bury conservatism, not save it.
If you disagree with this, state why ... like an adult.
@catfish1957
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I agree. Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him. After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.
So believe me..... I am not voting for this jerk. I am voting for our country's survival,and Trump happens to be the "R there", and I am voting that way... Biden is not the solution.
I hated Trump at the outset. But one facet of conservatives is the capacity for rational thought.
Ego aside, principled conservatives should be able to figure the situation out for themselves, regardless of what anyone else says.
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Not as much as squelching the conversation, but it seems this NT v. AT thing has gotten out of hand, and if some common ground (any) can be reached, the better chance Trump has. Principled Conservatives need to vote for Trump for him to win.... Like it or not, the local AT's habits of poking the stick in the tiger's cage doesn't help matters.
Just how nice do Trump supporters need to be to you for you to do what's right for the country?
Tell us. Spell it out, or forever hold your peace.
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You think Trump’s a jerk but you’ll reluctantly vote for him. I think he’s the greatest president since RR and will happily vote for him.
1. If Trump wins, you, I and conservatives and regular Americans win and reap the benefits. Leftists lose. What difference, if any, does that make?
2. If Trump loses and Biden wins, conservatives and regular Americans lose and reap no benefits. In that event, what difference does that make?
Hint: there’s some differences with outcome 2.
I think the discussion has drifted a tad. The intent was expounding upon how some of the resentment being harbored as many in the Trump camp are villifying principled conservatives for not actively supporting Trump. When in essence that same anger should be directed toward the dimocrats. Rather than trying to build a bridge, many are throwing rockets. Want to aid in the outcome of a scenario 1? Quit pissing off people that should be on your same side.
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The intent was expounding upon how some of the resentment being harbored as many in the Trump camp are villifying principled conservatives
You might want to consider dropping this virtue signal. It condemns damn near everyone reading it as an ill-informed troglodyte.
And I'm sure this isn't your intent.
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You might want to consider dropping this virtue signal. It condemns damn near everyone reading it as an ill-informed troglodyte.
And I'm sure this isn't your intent.
Yep. Virtually guarantees a counterpunch.
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You might want to consider dropping this virtue signal. It condemns damn near everyone reading it as an ill-informed troglodyte.
And I'm sure this isn't your intent.
Just in case anyone forgot, millions of principled and religious conservatives voted for Trump in ’16 and helped him get elected, and even more of them will vote for him in ‘20 based on Trump’s pro-life agenda in office.
So, yeah, I have issues with “principled†conservatives saying they need an incentive to re-elect Trump.
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Dow Jones Industrials, the day after Memorial Day weekend, corner is (hopefully) turned, lock-down is ending,
UP over 600, to over 25,000
Are wee home free? Heck no. Are things trending solidly better? You betcha.
This is very, very good for Americans.
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I just keep getting more reason to vote Nevada's "None of These Candidates" option for the presidency every day. It's the choice I've made in every presidential and Congressional election since I moved here in 2007. (Nevada's congressional delegation and its challengers have been no prize packages, either.) I haven't regretted it yet, and I'm sure I won't regret it again in November.
There is no need to be 'with' history when history is headed toward an abyss.---John Chamberlain.
Now, back to my regularly scheduled listening . . . (if there's one thing the pandemic and its closures have blessed me with, it's catching up to an awful lot of blues and jazz, not to mention a lot of my own music work.)
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Just in case anyone forgot, millions of principled and religious conservatives voted for Trump in ’16 and helped him get elected, and even more of them will vote for him in ‘20 based on Trump’s pro-life agenda in office.
So, yeah, I have issues with “principled†conservatives saying they need an incentive to re-elect Trump.
We have more than a couple "one-trick ponies" on the forum, where any deficit spending gets one's ass dismissed as Conservative.
Oy vey!! It's their Safe Space, I suppose. :laugh:
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I just keep getting more reason to vote Nevada's "None of These Candidates" option for the presidency every day.
I don't know what impresses me more about the words above pointing-up @EasyAce ... the depth of the navel gazing or how crisp and white the flag is.
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I don't know what impresses me more about the words above pointing-up @EasyAce ... the depth of the navel gazing or how crisp and white the flag is.
Baseball addict suffering acute withdrawal. Give him a pass! :laugh:
@EasyAce
@Right_in_Virginia
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Voting (straight-ticket) Republican in November, as flawed as this is, is the only way to keep the principles of fiscal conservatism alive.
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Look RIV, you're earnest and well meaning but you gotta get real.
The Republicans were errand boys for the NE Mercantile Class before the
Civil War and an anti-slavery party. Post war they championed industrialism.
They had nothing to do w/principled conservatism, not even for a day;
as it was a campaign slogan to round up votes and campaign dollars!
During the 75 years from Johnson to Hoover, they were politically ascendant promoting:
* centralized government and opposing states rights,
* trade protectionist duties and tariffs rather than free trade,
* judicial activism rather than restraint and original intent.
When FDR assumed office in 1933, the Democrats adopted this program which
has us where we are at this moment.
If we have a future, it lies w/Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, so please alert me
when their clones are located!!!
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@EasyAce
I wish we had a "none of the above" option in Pennsylvania. I promised my father I would always vote and except for illness, I have kept that promise. This year I am leaning toward not voting at all and for no good reason other than I don't want any of the candidates from the president on down. If PA had a "none of the above" option, I could still vote and keep my promise to Dad.
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@Applewood
I got a laugh out of your tagline. A Rodney Dangerfield joke wouldn’t be funny if I told it. But he was a master of delivery
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The reality is what you've been doing and the the vast majority of the GOP has been doing isn't working.
And if you keep doing what your doing it will only end in economic collapse.
Until enough people have the courage to leave the plantation and not reward those who are destroying us nothing will change for the better in any real lasting sense.
Your only answer is the other side is worse. So you are stuck in fear trying to hold on to what little you have left accepting whatever morsels offered to avoid that worse alternative. Essentially owning you and your vote no matter what they do - because you say you have no other choice and will vote for them... In the mean time it is all slipping away.
And as long as you and others accept that bargain, we all lose. As demonstrated year after year. Decade after decade. What cannot continue will not continue. Time is running out if it hasn't already.
That's the hard cold reality of the situation.
pointing-up :yowsa:
QFT.
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That jolt is coming regardless of whom is in charge. I kind of look at whats going on now as buying time by controlling the descent and pray for a miracle.
Goin on THREE TIMES the money Obummer spent, and that in only for years...
That is 'controlled descent?
Where I come from, that's drivin her home with a 20 lb jack!
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@Applewood
I got a laugh out of your tagline. A Rodney Dangerfield joke wouldn’t be funny if I told it. But he was a master of delivery
@LMAO
Thank you. While I was in isolation, I dug up You Tube videos of Dangerfield, particularly a few of his appearances on the Tonight Show. Those videos kept me from going completely insane. I miss Dangerfield. He was one of my favorite comedians.
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If republicans lose it all in November...well...
Well...Just let that sink in.
@aligncare
They don't care. They will just hug themselves as they scream "I told you so!" in orgamasic joy.
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Some people around here seem not to care about stopping the democrats.
@aligncare
They don't WANT to stop the Dims. What they want is to do their little superiority dances as they scream "I told you so! I was right,I was right,I was right!"
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Voting (straight-ticket) Republican in November, as flawed as this is, is the only way to keep the principles of fiscal conservatism alive.
@Right_in_Virginia
What bullcrap!
All y'all, YOU personally say those principles don't matter anymore.
If not by any other means, then with your votes. And BELIEVE me there are many other means. The arguments I have endured as y'all try to justify it are manifold.
Screw you Lucy! I know what you're going to do with the ball. *****rollingeyes*****
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I agree. Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him.
@catfish1957
You misspelled "pompous asses".
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Some people around here seem not to care about stopping the democrats. They’re gonna vote the way they’re gonna vote. Period.
They must believe that if it all blows up and democrats take all three branches, that things in America will get so bad that somehow a Conservative Star will rise from the ashes to save their sorry butts.
...they also must believe they’ll win the mega millions lottery.
No, I believe it doesn't matter which side you choose. It's the same thing. And Tump is doing nothing but proving it.
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I hope Trump wins. But that still the hell means I don't have to like the jerk. Or point out the stupid shit he says.
@catfish1957
I have never understood why it was necessary to personally like ANY politician in order to vote for them. We are electing these people,not marrying them.
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Analogy in my mind, is that the choices are:
(1) Torch the Garden (unprincipled non-conservative GOP)
(2) Salt the Garden (allow unilateral control by dims)
At least with scenario 1, the sub-surface seeds live, and there's hope for return.
You forgot 3:
Go build another garden. Because all y'all (they) are never ever gonna set the fire.
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So all of this "I hate Trump" crap is over the fact that Trump beat Cruz??
@EdinVA
No,just most of it. Some are mad because we didn't elect Jebbie,or one of the other usual suspects.
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Oh, blah , blah, blah. The choice is unchanged and remains yours .... vote to keep conservatism alive or ego vote to kill it off for good. :shrug:
This is not Conservatism.
And you can't kill TRUTH.
But you can suffer the consequences of trying to.
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Baseball addict suffering acute withdrawal. Give him a pass! :laugh:
@EasyAce
@Right_in_Virginia
Oh, okay.
Damn lockdown! happy77
@EasyAce
@DCPatriot
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You forgot 3:
Go build another garden. Because all y'all (they) are never ever gonna set the fire.
I'm afraid all the land has been taken, so there's nowhere to pack up and move to in order to build another garden. :shrug:
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You're a funny guy, @catfish1957
After seeing firsthand what the man has accomplished facing insurmountable attacks by an adversarial media...all in 3 years??
They manufactured a phony bank crisis to give us Barack Obama. And then they got in cahoots with the Chinese Communist Party to serve up a pandemic.
...and he's STILL going to kick their ass come November.
@DCPatriot
They could have never done it without the help of the Bush Crime Family working as the middlemen through their "Chinese Chamber of Commerce" to broker the deals.
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You might want to consider dropping this virtue signal. It condemns damn near everyone reading it as an ill-informed troglodyte.
And I'm sure this isn't your intent.
RIIIIGHT. Drop the term 'principled'... It's divisive.
Guess what? It is supposed to be.
It cuts like a knife, like all truth does.
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We have more than a couple "one-trick ponies" on the forum, where any deficit spending gets one's ass dismissed as Conservative.
Oy vey!! It's their Safe Space, I suppose. :laugh:
ANY DEFICIT SPENDING??? Whadderya stupid?
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RIIIIGHT. Drop the term 'principled'... It's divisive.
Guess what? It is supposed to be.
It cuts like a knife, like all truth does.
If one is not using the word "principled" to establish oneself as a cut above the others, then why use it in a forum of other supposedly principled participants? It won't win any converts.
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Look RIV, you're earnest and well meaning but you gotta get real.
The Republicans were errand boys for the NE Mercantile Class before the
Civil War and an anti-slavery party. Post war they championed industrialism.
They had nothing to do w/principled conservatism, not even for a day;
Hey perfesser, what about you, now, here?
Biden or Trump?
Pelosi or McCarthy?
Shumer or McConnell
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I'm afraid all the land has been taken, so there's nowhere to pack up and move to in order to build another garden. :shrug:
Then time to take it back from the other two, which all y'all will not do.
So screw your garden altogether... time to walk off in the sticks and let y'all have at it... I have every chance of still being there (me and mine) when the smoke clears.
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@aligncare
They don't WANT to stop the Dims. What they want is to do their little superiority dances as they scream "I told you so! I was right,I was right,I was right!"
Yeah, yeah Sneaky. Jesus doesn't use email. You got texts from your new religion.
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If one is not using the word "principled" to establish oneself as a cut above the others, then why use it in a forum of other supposedly principled participants? It won't win any converts.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... then it's a duck.
There's a whole lotta turkeys and Republicans that think they're ducks.
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ANY DEFICIT SPENDING??? Whadderya stupid?
Funniest thing. Yes, I think so.
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@aligncare
They don't care. They will just hug themselves as they scream "I told you so!" in orgamasic joy.
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Congratulations! @sneakypete You got the answer to the outcome #2 question from post #218!
If Trump wins, the country prospers with greater liberty and greater economic growth; and they’ll be like “I voted for Trump!â€
But, if he losses and socialists win the day, people like you and me will be the targets of their scorn for backing a candidate who lost an election that got us socialist rule and fundamental change in America. And it was all ours, and Trump’s fault! Get how that game’s played...?
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RIIIIGHT. Drop the term 'principled'... It's divisive.
Guess what? It is supposed to be.
It cuts like a knife, like all truth does.
@roamer_1
Ain't YOU "special"!
"Principled truth" my big red ass! You may need to tell that lie to yourself to get through the day,but nobody else believes it. You are just sulking and vindictive.
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Congratulations! @sneakypete You got the answer to the outcome 2 question from post #218!
If Trump wins, the country prospers with greater liberty and greater economic growth; and they’ll be like “I voted for Trump!â€
But, if he losses and socialists win the day, people like you and me will be the targets of their scorn for backing a candidate that resulted in an election with socialist rule and fundamental change in America. And it was all ours, and Trump’s fault! Get how that game’s played...?
Good Lord y'all... Look at the sign on the dang ground.
Spending us into oblivion is not prosperity.
It is the single most egregious act against prosperity ever done. And you are cheering,
Shutting the country off for three months is NOT liberty.
It's the single most egregious act against our liberty that's been done in generations.
And again you're cheering.
*****rollingeyes*****
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:beer:
Congratulations! @sneakypete You got the answer to the outcome 2 question from post #218!
If Trump wins, the country prospers with greater liberty and greater economic growth; and they’ll be like “I voted for Trump!â€
But, if he losses and socialists win the day, people like you and me will be the targets of their scorn for backing a candidate that resulted in an election with socialist rule and fundamental change in America. And it was all ours, and Trump’s fault! Get how that game’s played...?
If one side wins, hope stays alive, and if the other wins, the only hope will be to burn the whole thing down and start over. That's where I see a lot of people standing. Are we getting what we want? Not that I can see in the long run, but I'm not ready to burn it all down just yet. As the wag said, It's too late to work within the system, and too early to shoot the bastards.
I'm not going to complain about folks wanting to keep their powder dry in the meantime.
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Stop the insults...
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@roamer_1
Ain't YOU "special"!
"Principled truth" my big red ass! You may need to tell that lie to yourself to get through the day,but nobody else believes it. You are just sulking and vindictive.
Bullshit. I am directly opposed, and I always have been BECAUSE those principles are all I am interested in wrt politics. This, that y'all are hawking is not principled, nor is it conservative. and what is incredibly ironic, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
So y'all are just pissed that I will not willingly throw down the truth and follow the rah-rah crowd.
It ain't EVER gonna happen.
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Shutting the country off for three months is NOT liberty.
It's the single most egregious act against our liberty that's been done in generations.
And again you're cheering.
Damn right!
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Spending us into oblivion is not prosperity.
That is what they said, when Reagan increaased deficifits.
"Yeah, but this time we really mean it, because Trump is not Reagan."
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That is what they said, when Reagan increaased deficifits.
"Yeah, but this time we really mean it, because Trump is not Reagan."
But but butt... Reagan did it... *****rollingeyes*****
We are exponential orders of magnitude beyond what Reagan did.
Not even in the same ballpark.
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But but butt... Reagan did it... *****rollingeyes*****
We are exponential orders of magnitude beyond what Reagan did.
Not even in the same ballpark.
It seemed large at the time, and I didn't appreciate it a bit when Reagan caved on amnesty for illegal aliens. :chairbang: :shrug:
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Trump's coattails... if Trump loses, the GOP loses everything, Senate and House, and some down ballot too.
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Americans Don’t Get Ruled’ – Illinois Judge Unloads on Pritzker’s Stay-at-Home Order
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,403210.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,403210.0.html)
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RIIIIGHT. Drop the term 'principled'... It's divisive.
Guess what? It is supposed to be. It cuts like a knife, like all truth does.
My, you think highly of yourself. Pretty ironic considering your political opinion mimics a toddler who's caught his zipper on a baton from 1980. This is not principle; this is stuck, this is trapped, this is pretty damn funny to watch. 88devil
This election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
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My, you think highly of yourself. Pretty ironic considering your political opinion mimics a toddler who's caught his zipper on a baton from 1980. This is not principle; this is stuck, this is trapped, this is pretty damn funny to watch. 88devil
This election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
On the contrary. Children ignore consequences chasing their desires because they don't think it will happen to them. That they are the exception. Eventually reality strikes. The more extreme the risk the more extreme the consequences. The consequences are coming. Big time.
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Look RIV, you're earnest and well meaning but you gotta get real.
The Republicans were errand boys for the NE Mercantile Class before the
Civil War and an anti-slavery party. Post war they championed industrialism.
They had nothing to do w/principled conservatism, not even for a day;
as it was a campaign slogan to round up votes and campaign dollars!
During the 75 years from Johnson to Hoover, they were politically ascendant promoting:
* centralized government and opposing states rights,
* trade protectionist duties and tariffs rather than free trade,
* judicial activism rather than restraint and original intent.
When FDR assumed office in 1932, the Democrats adopted this program which
has us where we are at this moment.
If we have a future, it lies w/Jefferson, Madison and Monroe, so please alert me
when their clones are located!!!
How long were you a middle school librarian before you retired?
Asking for a friend. :laugh:
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My, you think highly of yourself. Pretty ironic considering your political opinion mimics a toddler who's caught his zipper on a baton from 1980. This is not principle; this is stuck, this is trapped, this is pretty damn funny to watch. 88devil
This election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
And your complicity in accepting $30T in debt is pretty damned telling too bubba. Keep leading us off that cliff.
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And your complicity in accepting $30T in debt is pretty damned telling too bubba. Keep leading us off that cliff.
Oh, stop the nonsense. If I wanted to point fingers ... why I could go all the way back to Ronald Maximus. :laugh:
Again, this election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
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Oh, stop the nonsense. If I wanted to point fingers ... why I could go all the way back to Ronald Maximus. :laugh:
Again, this election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
You’re right, the election isn’t a referendum on the deficit.
But, it’s a convenient talking point for Trump’s critics on the right.
How do I know that? Because the people using it were running around here all supportive of Trump’s re-election until the economy got all blown up by the Wuhan flu fiasco. Right? *****rollingeyes***** :silly:
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It seemed large at the time, and I didn't appreciate it a bit when Reagan caved on amnesty for illegal aliens. :chairbang: :shrug:
I opposed Reagan just as loudly as I do Tump on immigration. Not for the immigration itself, but rather for believing Congress on its word.
I was fine with a one time citizen fix, tied to border control. I saw those cat-fed-bird congressional leaders right on the TV making that promise. As with Abortion, Reagan's fault was in taking those folks at their word.
As we know now, they were lying through their teeth. the citizenship happened and the border control didn't.
And that's a big dang reason I will NOT budge now.
Edit to add: Not that I oppose Tumpy on immigration. That I opposed Reagan just as loudly.
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Trump's coattails... if Trump loses, the GOP loses everything, Senate and House, and some down ballot too.
And rightly so. Had they done as they are supposed to do, they wouldn't have that problem.
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I opposed Reagan just as loudly as I do Tump on immigration. Not for the immigration itself, but rather for believing Congress on its word.
I was fine with a one time citizen fix, tied to border control. I saw those cat-fed-bird congressional leaders right on the TV making that promise. As with Abortion, Reagan's fault was in taking those folks at their word.
As we know now, they were lying through their teeth. the citizenship happened and the border control didn't.
And that's a big dang reason I will NOT budge now.
Edit to add: Not that I oppose Tumpy on immigration. That I opposed Reagan just as loudly.
And how did you and I know they were lying through their teeth to Reagan? Because we knew the character of the Rats who said the lies.
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My, you think highly of yourself. Pretty ironic considering your political opinion mimics a toddler who's caught his zipper on a baton from 1980. This is not principle; this is stuck, this is trapped, this is pretty damn funny to watch. 88devil
This election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
No, I think highly of those principles. Always have, and always will.
Going against the truth has never bought me anything but pain... and I am capable of learning.
Thus I do not mess with gravity.
And all other truth has similar consequence.
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You’re right, the election isn’t a referendum on the deficit.
But, it’s a convenient talking point for Trump’s critics on the right.
How do I know that? Because the people using it were running around here all supportive of Trump’s re-election until the economy got all blown up by the Wuhan flu fiasco. Right? *****rollingeyes***** :silly:
Nope. I was screaming bloody murder all the way along.
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And how did you and I know they were lying through their teeth to Reagan? Because we knew the character of the Rats who said the lies.
SOSDD. :shrug: :whistle:
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I opposed Reagan just as loudly as I do Tump on immigration. Not for the immigration itself, but rather for believing Congress on its word.
I was fine with a one time citizen fix, tied to border control. I saw those cat-fed-bird congressional leaders right on the TV making that promise. As with Abortion, Reagan's fault was in taking those folks at their word.
As we know now, they were lying through their teeth. the citizenship happened and the border control didn't.
And that's a big dang reason I will NOT budge now.
The facts and the metrics just don’t support you on that.
Trump’s immigration agenda are producing real change in the numbers. Ronaldus Reagan, lord knows I love him, blew it all up and the numbers of illegal immigrants have only gone up since then...until Trump. Same with the border wall. Real improvements are happening under the Trump administration, both in replacing exiting fences with real wall, and adding miles of new wall.
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Bullshit. I am directly opposed, and I always have been BECAUSE those principles are all I am interested in wrt politics. This, that y'all are hawking is not principled, nor is it conservative. and what is incredibly ironic, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
So y'all are just pissed that I will not willingly throw down the truth and follow the rah-rah crowd.
It ain't EVER gonna happen.
Us all would be fine with anyone going off into the sticks till the smoke clears. If they would leave it at that.
Its when they start with the 'its your fault crap' I get cheesed off.
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The facts and the metrics just don’t support you on that.
Trump’s immigration agenda are producing real change in the numbers. Ronaldus Reagan, lord knows I love him, blew it all up and the numbers of illegal immigrants have only gone up since then...until Trump. Same with the border wall. Real improvements are happening under the Trump administration, both in replacing exiting fences with real wall, and adding miles of new wall.
You missed the edit on the bottom of that post.
I do not exactly oppose Tumpy on immigration per se.
I think rather that he is ineffective.
At the expense of some precedents that I absolutely oppose (how he got the money)
The wall itself, a good thing, if it is ever built, and only if it is properly patrolled.
It is worthless without armed garrisons guarding it.
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Us all would be fine with anyone going off into the sticks till the smoke clears. If they would leave it at that.
Its when they start with the 'its your fault crap' I get cheesed off.
I WILL PREACH ON.
Lest you (all) forget. Which y'all seem to do easily.
Whose fault is it that Republicans own the biggest spending ever in history?
Whose fault is it that Republicans stand in authority when the greatest assault against our liberty was committed?
Whose fault is it that you're voting for more?
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Yep. Virtually guarantees a counterpunch.
Most threads on TBR end up being pages of counterpunching. To put it another way, it's reminiscent of trench warfare during WWI.
No new discussion, just the same old jabs between Trumpers and Non-Trumpers. Doesn't it get boring after awhile? I sure think so.
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@LMAO
Thank you. While I was in isolation, I dug up You Tube videos of Dangerfield, particularly a few of his appearances on the Tonight Show. Those videos kept me from going completely insane. I miss Dangerfield. He was one of my favorite comedians.
Rodney was awesome, and one of the best things he ever did for me was to introduce Sam Kinison.
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My, you think highly of yourself. Pretty ironic considering your political opinion mimics a toddler who's caught his zipper on a baton from 1980. This is not principle; this is stuck, this is trapped, this is pretty damn funny to watch. 88devil
This election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
Just 8 posts after @mystery-ak exhorted us to stop the personal attacks, you're at it again!
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/5770237184/hD83CA0EC/really-just-couldnt-help-yourself-could-you)
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Hey perfesser, what about you, now, here?
Biden or Trump?
Pelosi or McCarthy?
Shumer or McConnell
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Fair enough.
Principled conservatism is/was never dependent on economics, politics or religion.
Created in Ancient Greece and articulated by Plato, it is a body of unchanging precepts,
derived from the Natural Law, governing Man's conduct, through his attitudes,
behaviors and impulses in life, which encourage culture/society to survive and thrive.
From the Garden of Eden till the French Enlightenment, spanning thousands of years,
principled conservatism was the anchor of the village/town/city/state/nation where
Monarchy was the norm of rule.
Then some 300 years past, the Enlightenment dawned, ushering in a revolutionary
and radical notion that material betterment was Man's higher calling replacing his
earlier adherence to custom, convention and continuity.
But how could Man be seduced into accepting material betterment as a replacement
for the earlier values which contained a powerful spiritual component???
Because in the back-pack of the Enlightenment lurked Capitalism which upon emerging
changed the World and Man dramatically to this very moment.
Anyone doubting this, compare the Art produced before and after the Enlightenment.
Wise Men such as Edmund Burke and Adam Smith understood this and called attention to it.
As for your question, I have absolutely no interest in any politician as my well being is my responsibility and in my hands.
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Most threads on TBR end up being pages of counterpunching. To put it another way, it's reminiscent of trench warfare during WWI.
No new discussion, just the same old jabs between Trumpers and Non-Trumpers. Doesn't it get boring after awhile? I sure think so.
IKR?
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IKR?
2 or 3 pages ago, I had delusions of maybe some common ground could be reached in this "trench warfare". Not sure there is any hope.
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Just 8 posts after @mystery-ak exhorted us to stop the personal attacks, you're at it again!
Should I know you?
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2 or 3 pages ago, I had delusions of maybe some common ground could be reached in this "trench warfare". Not sure there is any hope.
It was 2 or 3 years ago I thought that...I got used to it. I think it would be boring otherwise.
Maybe I need a new hobby?
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It was 2 or 3 years ago I thought that...I got used to it. I think it would be boring otherwise.
Maybe I need a new hobby?
It is kinda funny, the concept of politics being fought above the belt. :silly:
Hello? Anyone notice the last oh, I don’t know, the last 250 years or so of American (and doubtless world) politics?
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It was 2 or 3 years ago I thought that...I got used to it. I think it would be boring otherwise.
Maybe I need a new hobby?
Sports look like they'll be returning soon.
While doing my patriotic sheltering in place, I've played quite a bit of Civilization V. I discovered a mod with civilization-specific Generals and Admirals, rekindling my interest in American Military History. When I came across a name that I didn't recognize, I researched it. It's been a great learning experience, reading about these great men from the past.
As a last resort, may I suggest having a few glasses of wine every day? lol, we've been slowly clearing out space in our wine cooler.
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While doing my patriotic sheltering in place, I've played quite a bit of Civilization V. I discovered a mod with civilization-specific Generals and Admirals, rekindling my interest in American Military History. When I came across a name that I didn't recognize, I researched it. It's been a great learning experience, reading about these great men from the past.
Speaking of... Did you catch Episode 1 of Grant last night? Fairly good, and they have kept the SJW hogwash to 10%.
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Sports look like they'll be returning soon.
While doing my patriotic sheltering in place, I've played quite a bit of Civilization V. I discovered a mod with civilization-specific Generals and Admirals, rekindling my interest in American Military History. When I came across a name that I didn't recognize, I researched it. It's been a great learning experience, reading about these great men from the past.
As a last resort, may I suggest having a few glasses of wine every day? lol, we've been slowly clearing out space in our wine cooler.
I've been taking my empty beer kegs into town and swapping them out for full ones. I keep a spare, so I don't care if it takes them a week or more to turn my order around, I can just swap in a fresh one when the tap blows dry. Last week was a bad week to need one, because all the bars are swamping the distributors for their kegs. Every keg they had tapped at the start of the tyranny has gone bad, so they all needed fresh kegs at once. A keg goes bad in 4-6 weeks, even when kept under CO2 pressure.
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A keg goes bad in 4-6 weeks, even when kept under CO2 pressure.
Good thing they didn't show up at my dorm room 40 years ago. 4-6 hours would have been more of an issue.
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My, you think highly of yourself. Pretty ironic considering your political opinion mimics a toddler who's caught his zipper on a baton from 1980. This is not principle; this is stuck, this is trapped, this is pretty damn funny to watch. 88devil
This election is not a referendum on the deficit.
Period.
What is funny is people like you pretending Trump is Conservative. The only thing this election is about is transforming the Republican party into Trumps party of misfit liberals.
I remember when Republican party defended Christian family values. It was Republican to fight for family values and marriage between a man and a woman. Now we have Trump fighting against Biblical values and we make him out to be a hero. He has transformed the presidency with his phony spiritual advisors the rich ones that bilk widows of their savings.
Trump signs prison reform and lets criminals out early and its some kind of great thing? Trump signs legislation that puts the country trillions more in debt and we shouldn't mention it.
Why don't we turn it around and ask what has Trump done that makes him Conservative? Planned parenthood makes off like a bandit in COVID bill......
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Speaking of... Did you catch Episode 1 of Grant last night? Fairly good, and they have kept the SJW hogwash to 10%.
No, I missed it, but E-1 is on in a few minutes...the DVR's been set to record all 3 episodes.
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No, I missed it, but E-1 is on in a few minutes...the DVR's been set to record all 3 episodes.
I'm recording it too...I think I will watch the first episode now..starting here in 2mins.
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Planned parenthood makes off like a bandit in COVID bill......
AGAIN. *****rollingeyes*****
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It seemed large at the time, and I didn't appreciate it a bit when Reagan caved on amnesty for illegal aliens. :chairbang: :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty
To be fair to Reagan,those were earlier,more innocent time,and the deal was if he would sign off on it one time to clear up a "temporary problem",they would never ask for it again. He believed them because up to that time,the politicians kept their word to each other,even if they didn't keep it to the voters.
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@Cyber Liberty
To be fair to Reagan,those were earlier,more innocent time,and the deal was if he would sign off on it one time to clear up a "temporary problem",they would never ask for it again. He believed them because up to that time,the politicians kept their word to each other,even if they didn't keep it to the voters.
@sneakypete
He got suckered in, by people we all knew were suckering him in. It's as if he was the last to know.
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@sneakypete
He got suckered in, by people we all knew were suckering him in. It's as if he was the last to know.
@Cyber Liberty
Well,he had been a well-know movie star for decades,as well as a registered Dim. He knew and was friends with a lot of those people for decades.
Or at least that is what he thought.
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And it would be different with a dim?
How?
Pelosi wants three trillion even now!
You gotta do better!
Maybe Trump will give it to her. He hasn't ever said no so far.
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On the contrary. Children ignore consequences chasing their desires because they don't think it will happen to them. That they are the exception. Eventually reality strikes.
Those traits are not unique to just children
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Baseball addict suffering acute withdrawal. Give him a pass! :laugh:
@EasyAce
@Right_in_Virginia
@DCPatriot
I assure you I've had plenty other ways to occupy my time that don't begin and end with watching or listening to vintage ball games. (On its anniversary yesterday, I listened to Harvey Haddix's broken 12-inning perfecto from 1959.) Catching up with my reading, with some newly acquired blues and jazz discs, working on new music (and re-tooling some of my older material) for a new improvisational blues group I hope to put together when this shutdown stuff finally dissipates in earnest (the guitar in my avatar isn't just for show, and it's one of four Gibson Les Pauls I'm fortunate enough to own), assures that I suffer no withdrawal pains, mere regret. :tongue2:
And I'm still voting "None of These Candidates" in November . . .
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@DCPatriot
I assure you I've had plenty other ways to occupy my time that don't begin and end with watching or listening to vintage ball games. (On its anniversary yesterday, I listened to Harvey Haddix's broken 12-inning perfecto from 1959.) Catching up with my reading, with some newly acquired blues and jazz discs, working on new music (and re-tooling some of my older material) for a new improvisational blues group I hope to put together when this shutdown stuff finally dissipates in earnest (the guitar in my avatar isn't just for show, and it's one of four Gibson Les Pauls I'm fortunate enough to own), assures that I suffer no withdrawal pains, mere regret. :tongue2:
And I'm still voting "None of These Candidates" in November . . .
Just a reminder: we're about five weeks from the anniversary of what I consider THE best pitched game in MLB history. July 2, 1963, Giants v. Braves, Candlestick Park. Giants won 1-0 on a Willie Mays homer in the bottom of the 16th inning. Both starting pitchers, Warren Spahn and Juan Marichal, pitched complete games.
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@DCPatriot
I assure you I've had plenty other ways to occupy my time that don't begin and end with watching or listening to vintage ball games. (On its anniversary yesterday, I listened to Harvey Haddix's broken 12-inning perfecto from 1959.) Catching up with my reading, with some newly acquired blues and jazz discs, working on new music (and re-tooling some of my older material) for a new improvisational blues group I hope to put together when this shutdown stuff finally dissipates in earnest (the guitar in my avatar isn't just for show, and it's one of four Gibson Les Pauls I'm fortunate enough to own), assures that I suffer no withdrawal pains, mere regret. :tongue2:
And I'm still voting "None of These Candidates" in November . . .
LOL! Sometimes I hate this venue. Didn't mean to impugn you in any way.
I miss the hell out of baseball. :beer:
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Just a reminder: we're about five weeks from the anniversary of what I consider THE best pitched game in MLB history. July 2, 1963, Giants v. Braves, Candlestick Park. Giants won 1-0 on a Willie Mays homer in the bottom of the 16th inning. Both starting pitchers, Warren Spahn and Juan Marichal, pitched complete games.
@Night Hides Not
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Only one game was ever pitched better: Sandy Koufax's September 1965 perfect game---not only did Koufax nail the perfecto (and, since it was his fourth no-no in four tries in four straight seasons, you could call it practise makes perfect), but Chicago Cubs pitcher Bob Henley got thatclose to pitching a no-hitter on the backside of the game: the game's only hit (a two-double by Dodger outfielder Lou Johnson in the seventh, followed at once by an inning-ending ground out) didn't factor in the 1-0 final score---the Dodgers scored the game's only run in the fifth on a walk (Johnson leading off), a sacrifice bunt (Ron Fairly), a stolen base (Johnson stealing third), and a throwing error (Cubs catcher Chris Krug, the future designer of the Field of Dreams field overthrew third base trying to get Johnson). Not to mention Koufax striking out the eighth and ninth innings in order, a called strikeout followed by five straight swinging strikeouts.
Postscript to that game: Decades later, Sandy Koufax received an old newspaper clipping including a photograph from the game, courtesy of Bob Hendley's son. Koufax sent it back signed and attached a note, "Say hello to your father." On a subsequent anniversary of the game, Hendley was stunned to receive a package: a 1965 National League baseball inscribed WHAT A GAME! on the meat of the hide, and a handwritten note included: "We had a moment, a night, a career. I hope life has been good to you. Sandy." It's why, to this day, when he's asked about how it felt to lose a game like that, Bob Hendley will tell you, "It's no disgrace to be beaten by class."