The Best Argument For President Trump's Re-Election

[catfish1957]

I understand the argument. What you guys don't seem to understand is that it will take decades to build another party to the point it can compete with the other two. That is a fact, as well. We no longer have the time.

From another perspective, the mean, median, mode (whatever) of the exact political center has shifted left for a long time now.  Only an early 1860's type jolt is going to realign that.  We are getting pretty damned close to where 50% + 1 voter has their lips surgically attached to the left hind teat of the US Taxpayer funded Sow.  Those voters are not going to vote away their "gubmit checks", and other giveaways. We are closing in on the Point of no Return sadly.

[skeeter]

From another perspective, the mean, median, mode (whatever) of the exact political center has shifted left for a long time now.  Only an early 1860's type jolt is going to realign that.  We are getting pretty damned close to where 50% + 1 voter has their lips surgically attached to the left hind teat of the US Taxpayer funded Sow.  Those voters are not going to vote away their "gubmit checks", and other giveaways. We are closing in on the Point of no Return sadly.

That jolt is coming regardless of whom is in charge. I kind of look at whats going on now as buying time by controlling the descent and pray for a miracle.

[DCPatriot]

@Chosen Daughter

Please post a video of yourself doing your little "Superiority Dance" if Trump loses and Biden,your preference,wins.

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[aligncare]

I understand the argument. I even agree to a point. What you guys don't seem to understand is that most Americans do not agree with us. So the real choice is participate and try to influence things or drop out and watch. Fact.

If republicans lose it all in November...well...

Well...Just let that sink in.

[skeeter]

If republicans lose it all in November...well...

Well...Just let that sink in.

I make no apology for believing they cannot be allowed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Right... SO throw the principles of fiscal conservatism under the bus... Under the plow... never to rise again... No sense in trying right?

Voting (straight-ticket) Republican in November, as flawed as this is, is the only way to keep the principles of fiscal conservatism alive.

Giving the House, the Senate and the WH to the Socialist-Democrats is the surest way to bury any glimmer of conservatism through your grandchildren's lifetimes. 

I know you rage against this .... but sometimes truth does hurt.

[aligncare]

I make no apology for believing they cannot be allowed.

Some people around here seem not to care about stopping the democrats. They’re gonna vote the way they’re gonna vote. Period.

They must believe that if it all blows up and democrats take all three branches, that things in America will get so bad that somehow a Conservative Star will rise from the ashes to save their sorry butts.

...they also must believe they’ll win the mega millions lottery.

[catfish1957]

Voting (straight-ticket) Republican in November, as flawed as this is, is the only way to keep the principles of fiscal conservatism alive.

Analogy in my mind, is that the choices are:

(1) Torch the Garden (unprincipled non-conservative GOP)
(2) Salt the Garden (allow unilateral control by dims)

At least with scenario 1, the sub-surface seeds live, and there's hope for return.

[skeeter]

Some people around here seem not to care about stopping the democrats. They’re gonna vote they way they’re gonna vote. Period.

They must believe that if it all blows up and democrats take all three branches, that things in America will get so bad that somehow a Conservative Star will rise from the ashes to save their sorry butts.

...they also must believe they’ll win the mega millions lottery.

At this point I do not think it’s possible for us to agree on the direction forward.

 I do very much resent being told I’m part of the problem though.

[catfish1957]

 I do very much resent being told I’m part of the problem though.

I agree.   Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him.  After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.

So believe me.....  I am not voting for this jerk.  I am voting for our country's survival,and Trump happens to be the "R there", and I am voting that way...  Biden is not the solution.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Analogy in my mind, is that the choices are:

(1) Torch the Garden (unprincipled non-conservative GOP)
(2) Salt the Garden (allow unilateral control by dims)

At least with scenario 1, the sub-surface seeds live, and there's hope for return.

Oh, blah , blah, blah.  The choice is unchanged and remains yours .... vote to keep conservatism alive or ego vote to kill it off for good.

[catfish1957]

Oh, blah , blah, blah.  The choice is unchanged and remains yours .... vote to keep conservatism alive or ego vote to kill it off for good.

Read my last post...  You are the poster boy of that club.

[DCPatriot]

I agree.   Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him.  After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.

So believe me.....  I am not voting for this jerk.  I am voting for our country's survival.  Biden is not the solution.

You're a funny guy, @catfish1957

After seeing firsthand what the man has accomplished facing insurmountable attacks by an adversarial media...all in 3 years??

They manufactured a phony bank crisis to give us Barack Obama.  And then they got in cahoots with the Chinese Communist Party to serve up a pandemic.

...and he's STILL going to kick their ass come November.

[catfish1957]

You're a funny guy, @catfish1957

After seeing firsthand what the man has accomplished facing insurmountable attacks by an adversarial media...all in 3 years??

They manufactured a phony bank crisis to give us Barack Obama.  And then they got in cahoots with the Chinese Communist Party to serve up a pandemic.

...and he's STILL going to kick their ass come November.

I  hope Trump wins.  But that still the hell means I don't have to like the jerk.  Or point out the stupid shit he says.

[DCPatriot]

I  hope Trump wins.  But that still the hell means I don't have to like the jerk.  Or point out the stupid shit he says.

Don't have any problem with that my friend.

Was responding to your suggestion that if we "Trumpians" had taken the time to engage you in a less mocking and more persuasive tone, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Now, that is funny!   

[EdinVA]

I agree.   Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him.  After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.

So believe me.....  I am not voting for this jerk.  I am voting for our country's survival,and Trump happens to be the "R there", and I am voting that way...  Biden is not the solution.

So all of this "I hate Trump" crap is over the fact that Trump beat Cruz?? 

Politics is a winner take all battle, Cruz knew this....

[catfish1957]

So all of this "I hate Trump" crap is over the fact that Trump beat Cruz?? 

Politics is a winner take all battle, Cruz knew this....

99% of the time I'd agree.  In this particular case, lines were crossed.....................

[catfish1957]

Don't have any problem with that my friend.

Was responding to your suggestion that if we "Trumpians" had taken the time to engage you in a less mocking and more persuasive tone, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Now, that is funny!   

Not as much as squelching the conversation, but it seems this NT v. AT thing  has gotten out of hand, and if some common ground (any) can be reached, the better chance Trump has.  Principled Conservatives need to vote for Trump for him to win....  Like it or not,  the local AT's habits of poking the stick in the tiger's cage doesn't help matters.   

[aligncare]

Read my last post...  You are the poster boy of that club.

You think Trump’s a jerk but you’ll reluctantly vote for him. I think he’s the greatest president since RR and will happily vote for him.

1. If Trump wins, you, I and conservatives and regular Americans win and reap the benefits. Leftists lose. What difference, if any, does that make?

2. If Trump loses and Biden wins, conservatives and regular Americans lose and reap no benefits. In that event, what difference does that make?

Hint: there’s some differences with outcome 2.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Read my last post...  You are the poster boy of that club.

Which last post?   Don't play scan the forum with me.  If you have something to say, say it.

But stop with the damn insults repeated ad nauseam.  My point is not voting Republican in November will help turn the WH, Senate, House over to the Socialist-Democrats where they will remain in power through the lifetimes of your grandchildren.  Put another way, if you don't actively vote for Republicans in November you will be actively choosing to bury conservatism, not save it.

If you disagree with this, state why ... like an adult.

@catfish1957

[skeeter]

I agree.   Just think how successful Trump could be if his most ardent supporters could develop some interpersonal skills in their quest for persuading principled conservatives to vote for him.  After Trump's lackey and hit boys, Manfort-Stone-Pecker wrongly assassinated Cruz character, and reputation, I'd thought I sworn off the color orange forever.

So believe me.....  I am not voting for this jerk.  I am voting for our country's survival,and Trump happens to be the "R there", and I am voting that way...  Biden is not the solution.

I hated Trump at the outset. But one facet of conservatives is the capacity for rational thought.

Ego aside, principled conservatives should be able to figure the situation out for themselves, regardless of what anyone else says.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Not as much as squelching the conversation, but it seems this NT v. AT thing  has gotten out of hand, and if some common ground (any) can be reached, the better chance Trump has.  Principled Conservatives need to vote for Trump for him to win....  Like it or not,  the local AT's habits of poking the stick in the tiger's cage doesn't help matters.   

Just how nice do Trump supporters need to be to you for you to do what's right for the country?

Tell us.  Spell it out, or forever hold your peace.

[catfish1957]

You think Trump’s a jerk but you’ll reluctantly vote for him. I think he’s the greatest president since RR and will happily vote for him.

1. If Trump wins, you, I and conservatives and regular Americans win and reap the benefits. Leftists lose. What difference, if any, does that make?

2. If Trump loses and Biden wins, conservatives and regular Americans lose and reap no benefits. In that event, what difference does that make?

Hint: there’s some differences with outcome 2.

I think the discussion has drifted a tad.  The intent was expounding upon how some of the resentment being harbored as many in the Trump camp are villifying principled conservatives for not actively supporting Trump.  When in essence that same anger should be directed toward the dimocrats. Rather than trying to build a bridge, many  are throwing rockets.  Want to aid in the outcome of a scenario 1?  Quit pissing off people that should be on your same side.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The intent was expounding upon how some of the resentment being harbored as many in the Trump camp are villifying principled conservatives

You might want to consider dropping this virtue signal.  It condemns damn near everyone reading it as an ill-informed troglodyte.

And I'm sure this isn't your intent.

[skeeter]

You might want to consider dropping this virtue signal.  It condemns damn near everyone reading it as an ill-informed troglodyte.

And I'm sure this isn't your intent.

Yep. Virtually guarantees a counterpunch.