Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Wingnut on October 02, 2023, 11:33:44 pm
What a puss. He thinks he is hot shit. But this guy just stepped in it.
Title: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2023, 11:37:25 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: mystery-ak on October 02, 2023, 11:38:22 pm
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 12:13:27 am
Matt Gaetz introduces motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy 'Bring it on,' McCarthy said on X post following Gaetz's motion By Brandon Gillespie , Tyler Olson , Chad Pergram , Kelly Phares Fox News Published October 2, 2023 7:26pm EDT
Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., has followed through on his renewed threat to introduce a motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
Gaetz, a frequent McCarthy critic, introduced the motion Monday evening on the House floor.
"Mr. Speaker, pursuant to clause two A1 of Rule nine, I rise to give notice of my intent to raise a question of the privileges of House," Gaetz said. "Declaring the office Speaker of the House of Representatives to be vacant. Resolved that the office of Speaker of the House Representatives is hereby declared to be vacant."
Gaetz's move will force the House to take a vote on whether to keep McCarthy as speaker within two legislative days.
There are a number of members undecided on how they would vote on such a measure, but it's likely McCarthy will need at least some Democrat votes to keep his job. Democrats could be in a position to try and extract concessions from McCarthy for their votes.
Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., told Fox News following Gaetz's move that he believes a motion to vacate at this time is "a bad idea." Additionally, Rep. Andy Ogles, R-Tenn., told Fox he was undecided.
more https://www.foxnews.com/politics/matt-gaetz-introduces-motion-vacate-against-house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 12:22:55 am
So, who are they going to vote out of their seat? Gaetz or McCarthy? McCarthy has the GOPe and the DEMS behind him. I'm saying Gaetz is going to wind up losing his seat.
IF in the event McCarthy loses his seat, who will they replace him with??
It is unfortunate; a House divided never wins.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 12:30:53 am
Better to file this than to run his mouth endlessly. Either way, we'll know something in two days.
Said it before, but I suspect the "party line" from Democrats is going to be to abstain and let the GOP fight it out.
If the Motion then fails, Gaetz will look like a complete putz.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: Wingnut on October 03, 2023, 12:47:45 am
If the Motion then fails, Gaetz will look like a complete putz.
Fail or no fail. The boy is like Fartwell.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 03, 2023, 12:59:52 am
Better to file this than to run his mouth endlessly. Either way, we'll know something in two days.
Said it before, but I suspect the "party line" from Democrats is going to be to abstain and let the GOP fight it out.
If the Motion then fails, Gaetz will look like a complete putz.
It will fail. McCarthy had 90% of the GOP caucus even after 15 rounds in January. If they wouldn't abandon him then, they won't now. Especially when Gaetz tried to nominate Trump as speaker even though he's not even a House member, apparently based on a half-baked idea from Internet message boards (like us!).
Gaetz already looks like a putz to everyone outside Trumpland.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 01:13:18 am
So, who are they going to vote out of their seat? Gaetz or McCarthy? McCarthy has the GOPe and the DEMS behind him. I'm saying Gaetz is going to wind up losing his seat.
IF in the event McCarthy loses his seat, who will they replace him with??
It is unfortunate; a House divided never wins.
. The only threat I've heard about Gaetz is what they might do if the ethics investigation comes back negative. But we don't even know when that would be - almost certainly not within the next two days.
If the Motion to Vacate fails, Gaetz will be completely neutered, and there will be no reason to remove him. If it succeeds, he wouldn't get the boot anyway.
The obvious problem is if the Motion does succeed, it may be extraordinarily difficult to elect a new Speaker.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 01:15:02 am
It will fail. McCarthy had 90% of the GOP caucus even after 15 rounds in January. If they wouldn't abandon him then, they won't now. Especially when Gaetz tried to nominate Trump as speaker even though he's not even a House member, apparently based on a half-baked idea from Internet message boards (like us!).
Gaetz already looks like a putz to everyone outside Trumpland.
Well, if the Democrats join the Motion, 10% of the GOP caucus is more than enough to vacate the chair. That may happen, though I'm personally betting it won't.
Democrats are in a weird position. I'm sure they'd love to sink McCarthy and celebrate at the chaos that ensues, but that might earn them a lot of blame for that chaos. Plus, if they vacate it now and there is chaos, it might make it even more difficult to pass something when this temporary CR runs out in a month and a half. And ultimately, that might get blamed on them too.
I think the more moderate ones will abstain, and the AOC-type radicals vote to vacate. Question is going to be what Jeffries does.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 01:31:13 am
I set up a poll so we can all take a guess at the outcome. My first one so I hope I did it right.
Also hope I'm not the only one who votes. Lol
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Gefn on October 03, 2023, 01:41:36 am
bkmk
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on October 03, 2023, 01:51:22 am
:bkmk:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 01:57:19 am
Kind of curious what the various GOP candidates will have to say about this. Some of them wanted a shutdown, which would put them on Gaetz' side, but they also supported McCarthy. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. Gaetz being from Florida adds a wrinkle as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 02:18:01 am
So, who are they going to vote out of their seat? Gaetz or McCarthy? McCarthy has the GOPe and the DEMS behind him. I'm saying Gaetz is going to wind up losing his seat.
IF in the event McCarthy loses his seat, who will they replace him with??
It is unfortunate; a House divided never wins.
The Pubs were never united. McCarthy is an Establishment Loyalist just as 120+ other House Pubs. At least we will see who the Pub leadership works for when McCarthy gets bailed out by the Rats.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 02:28:17 am
It will fail. McCarthy had 90% of the GOP caucus even after 15 rounds in January. If they wouldn't abandon him then, they won't now. Especially when Gaetz tried to nominate Trump as speaker even though he's not even a House member, apparently based on a half-baked idea from Internet message boards (like us!).
Gaetz already looks like a putz to everyone outside Trumpland.
No he doesn't.
It may seem that way from the Establishment Loyalist bubble.
McCarthy agreed to follow certain rules and practices to be Speaker. He didn't live up to his word. Gaetz calling him out for being the liar he is does not reflect badly on Gaetz. The mess that exists right now is McCarthy's doing.
McCarthy sent the House home for 6 weeks in the summer instead of working on appropriation bills. McCarthy gave away all leverage in the debt ceiling agreement and got nothing. McCarthy has sold out conservatives and the country at every turn.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 04:16:26 am
It may seem that way from the Establishment Loyalist bubble.
McCarthy agreed to follow certain rules and practices to be Speaker. He didn't live up to his word. Gaetz calling him out for being the liar he is does not reflect badly on Gaetz. The mess that exists right now is McCarthy's doing.
McCarthy sent the House home for 6 weeks in the summer instead of working on appropriation bills. McCarthy gave away all leverage in the debt ceiling agreement and got nothing. McCarthy has sold out conservatives and the country at every turn.
Sorry but Matt has been a putz
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: RetBobbyMI on October 03, 2023, 12:11:18 pm
It will fail. McCarthy had 90% of the GOP caucus even after 15 rounds in January. If they wouldn't abandon him then, they won't now. Especially when Gaetz tried to nominate Trump as speaker even though he's not even a House member, apparently based on a half-baked idea from Internet message boards (like us!).
Gaetz already looks like a putz to everyone outside Trumpland.
The Speaker does not have to be a member of the House.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 12:46:09 pm
The Speaker does not have to be a member of the House.
I think that's correct. Constitution says only "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers", but doesn't state that they must be members. Without that language, it's pretty certain that require doesn't exist.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 03, 2023, 03:55:24 pm
I think that's correct. Constitution says only "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers", but doesn't state that they must be members. Without that language, it's pretty certain that require doesn't exist.
I believe the requirement of it being another Representative comes from the word "THEIR speaker." It did not say "A speaker." "Their" implies it must be one of them, not some outside appointee.
Title: Re: BREAKING: Congressman Matt Gaetz files motion to vacate against House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 04:29:21 pm
I believe the requirement of it being another Representative comes from the word "THEIR speaker." It did not say "A speaker." "Their" implies it must be one of them, not some outside appointee.
Well, he's "their" Speaker whether he's a Member or not, so I personally don't believe the use of "their" is relevant. It would have been extraordinarily simple for the Constitution to have said they shall "chuse a Member" to be Speaker, but it doesn't. I don't think the Supreme Court would want to open the Pandora's Box of unwritten qualifications for offices or elected positions under the Constitution because that's kind of a slippery slope. "If it isn't there, it isn't a requirement" is more objective and consistent.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 04:54:03 pm
Majority of Freedom Caucus Opposes Matt Gaetz’s Motion to Oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy
The majority of Freedom Caucus members oppose Rep. Matt Gaetz’s (R-FL) motion to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 04:55:26 pm
Democrats say they won’t save McCarthy Speakership by Mychael Schnell and Miranda Nazzaro - 10/03/23 11:29 AM ET
House Democrats said Tuesday they do not plan to save Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) when a vote on ousting him from the top spot hits the floor later in the day.
Emerging from a closed-door meeting in the Capitol that lasted more than two hours, House Democrats said they will vote to oust McCarthy from the Speakership.
“We are following our leader, and we are not saving Kevin McCarthy,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told reporters.
Asked whether a decision was made as a caucus not to support McCarthy, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) responded, “Yes.”
The news comes hours before the House is set to vote on an effort to oust McCarthy as Speaker after Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) set the process in motion Monday night. There will likely be a procedural vote to table the resolution to oust McCarthy or refer it to committee before the chamber weighs in on whether to boot the Speaker.
more https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4235808-democrats-say-they-wont-save-mccarthy-speakership/
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 04:57:25 pm
We may have Jeffries as the new Speaker before this is all over...
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on October 03, 2023, 04:57:44 pm
Matt Gaetz ... a one-man House GOP Kamikaze Caucus.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bigheadfred on October 03, 2023, 04:57:53 pm
It is a tradition and not a requirement. Gaetz voted for Trump to be Speaker. The thing stopping it is not getting the votes for it to happen. I don't think that would give a not elected by the people Speaker a vote on legislation and would only be a glorified cat herder. It would be an interesting test overall.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:00:17 pm
11:52 AM October 3, 2023 - What happens if McCarthy is ousted?
If McCarthy is ousted, an acting Speaker would be appointed — chosen from a list of five names designated by McCarthy and shared with the House clerk, in a process implemented for continuity of government reasons after 9/11.
What exactly would happen would throw the House into uncharted territory, but those in both parties expect that the acting Speaker would have the chief responsibility of presiding over a new Speaker’s election.
House Rules Committee Chairman Tom Cole (R-Okla.) said the House would likely recess, and each party would likely meet in a closed-door meeting to again designate a nominee for Speaker.
“I have no doubt in a situation like that Kevin McCarthy would be renominated right away,” Cole said.
per Fox..Jeffries has told the Dems to vote to vacate the chair...
Then it will only take a handful of GOP to remove McCarthy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:23:47 pm
01:18 PMOctober 3, 2023 - Democratic leadership will vote to oust McCarthy
Democratic leadership in the House will vote to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said.
Jeffries said in a “dear colleagues” letter that “Democrats remain willing to find common ground on an enlightened path forward.”
“Unfortunately, our extreme Republican colleagues have shown no willingness to do the same. It is now the responsibility of the GOP members to end the House Republican Civil War. Given their unwillingness to break from MAGA extremism in an authentic and comprehensive manner, House Democratic leadership will vote yes on the pending Republican Motion to Vacate the Chair,” he wrote.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:24:21 pm
We better not lose the House over this... 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 05:25:11 pm
They should kick him out for causing all this chaos!
The chaos is from McCarthy making a back room deal, primarily agreeing to find Ukraine after the resolution was passed and we still get no border security....at least that is my understanding.
Gaetz is standing for a more conservative budget resolution without handing the Dems what they want. Yes it is problematic that it is being done now.
Who replaces McCarthy should he be ousted? I think in the end Gaetz will lose his seat...then the Rino's continue to win. Conservatives lose again.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:28:57 pm
The chaos is from McCarthy making a back room deal, primarily agreeing to find Ukraine after the resolution was passed and we still get no border security....at least that is my understanding.
Gaetz is standing for a more conservative budget resolution without handing the Dems what they want. Yes it is problematic that it is being done now.
Who replaces McCarthy should he be ousted? I think in the end Gaetz will lose his seat...then the Rino's continue to win. Conservatives lose again.
I think McCarthy stabbed us conservatives in the back, but throwing a bomb blowing up this whole thing at our most politically vunerable point is a losing strategy. The MSM loves to paint the GOP as inept and destructive grandstanders......
This just gives them a whole extra box of ammo.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:29:44 pm
Rep. Victoria Spartz @RepSpartz · 20m I will not table @RepMattGaetz ’s Motion to Vacate @SpeakerMcCarthy and allow it to proceed to the floor but I will not vote to vacate the speaker at this time and will give him one last chance to deliver on:
1) National Debt;
2) Border Security; and
3) 12 Appropriations.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:30:30 pm
It's just all about him, isn't it? Basically flat-out admitting that he's virtue-signalling.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 05:31:53 pm
I just hope the rest of the conferences refuses to vote for anyone else but McCarthy for Speaker. And he shouldn't agree to any concessions, either. If that means no Speaker...no Speaker.
Can't let a tiny minority bully everyone else.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:32:09 pm
DC_Draino @DC_Draino Vacating McCarthy - My analysis:
I stand with Rep @mattgaetz
McCarthy agreed to rules when he was voted in as Speaker that he is not following
Now he gets punished, simple as that
If Gaetz and others don’t hold him accountable, KM will continue to steamroll Republican voters with Uniparty concessions
Yes, I’d prefer to continue investigating the Biden crime family and fight as a unified front against the Democrats, but at a certain point, we have to put our foot down and say “enough is enough”
That time is now
Here’s what I think will happen:
McCarthy will be vacated from the Speaker position and we’ll return to endless rounds of Speaker votes
Do we have an heir apparent? No
I frankly expect McCarthy to be voted back in as Speaker after an extensive public humiliation exercise, but only after more concessions are made to Gaetz and crew
And that’s what why we should all support Gaetz
Democracy is ugly, messy, and uncertain, but real change can only happen when courageous Patriots take a firm stand
Gaetz and crew are the Patriots taking that stand and returning even more power back to the People 12:15 PM · Oct 3, 2023 · 43.1K Views
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:33:57 pm
It's just all about him, isn't it? Basically flat-out admitting that he's virtue-signalling.
If Gaetz doesn't get his 4 or 5 votes, he will go down as one of the biggest laughing stocks in the Congressional GOP in years. Can he wedge off another 4 from the FC?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:35:29 pm
Sean Davis @seanmdav Every conservative lawmaker I’ve talked to points to the debt limit deal as the moment when trust was broken between McCarthy and conservatives who backed him in January. That lack of trust—not any specific policy item in the CR/shutdown fight—is what paved the way to this afternoon’s vote.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 05:35:59 pm
If Gaetz doesn't get his 4 or 5 votes, he will go down as one of the biggest laughing stocks in the Congressional GOP in years. Can he wedge off another 4 from the FC?
I think he'll get them. Enough of the "burn it all down" types for that. It'll at least provide some entertainment.
My guess is to how all this goes down is that if there are eventually enough votes for someone else to be Speaker, that person will refuse to make any promises to Gaetz' crowd.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 05:38:13 pm
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Nick Sorter @nicksortor
JUST IN: Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries says "House Democratic leadership will vote YES on the pending Republican motion to vacate the chair" and remove @SpeakerMcCarthy
McCarthy was banking on some support from Democrats in order to maintain his position.
If all Democrats vote in favor of vacating, McCarthy can only afford to lose FIVE Republicans.
The Speaker does not have to be a member of the House.
Maybe so, maybe not. There are arguments on both sides and, to-date, it has not been resolved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#Eligibility_of_non-members
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 05:39:06 pm
It's Gaetz, not McCarthy, who needs Democrat votes.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:39:41 pm
I think McCarthy stabbed us conservatives in the back, but throwing a bomb blowing up this whole thing at our most politically vunerable point is a losing strategy. The MSM loves to paint the GOP as inept and destructive grandstanders......
This just gives them a whole extra box of ammo.
Exactly....I never wanted McCarthy to begin with and would love to see him go but not this way..
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 05:41:15 pm
I think he'll get them. Enough of the "burn it all down" types for that. It'll at least provide some entertainment.
My guess is to how all this goes down is that if there are eventually enough votes for someone else to be Speaker, that person will refuse to make any promises to Gaetz' crowd.
I agree.
When we got to the point of the 15th ballot back in January in the Speakers race , there were 21 opposed to McCarthy at the onset of voting. , and looking at the roster of those 21, I can easily see 5 supporting Gaetz.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:43:18 pm
Pelosi: House Republicans responsible for electing Speaker
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Tuesday there is “no justification” to depart from the tradition of the House majority party choosing the Speaker.
“The Speaker of the House is chosen by the Majority Party,” Pelosi wrote in a post on X.
“In this Congress, it is the responsibility of House Republicans to choose a nominee & elect the Speaker on the Floor. At this time there is no justification for a departure from this tradition. The House will be in order.”
Pelosi did not reveal how she plans to vote on the motion to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif).
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 05:44:00 pm
When we got to the point of the 15th ballot back in January in the Speakers race , there were 21 opposed to McCarthy at the onset of voting. , and looking at the roster of those 21, I can easily see 5 supporting Gaetz.
Here's the problem:
I think the hardliners are going to demand that the new Speaker agrees not to support any continuing resolution. It all seems pointless if they don't. But I also think there are a lot of GOP reps who will refuse to support any speakership candidate who essentially promises that we're in for a very long shutdown. So they won't vote for anyone who meets the criteria being demanded by the hardliners.
I really don't know how to the around that unless the hardliners suddenly decide that a continuing resolution is acceptable, which would make them look pretty silly.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 05:44:56 pm
Pelosi: House Republicans responsible for electing Speaker
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Tuesday there is “no justification” to depart from the tradition of the House majority party choosing the Speaker.
“The Speaker of the House is chosen by the Majority Party,” Pelosi wrote in a post on X.
“In this Congress, it is the responsibility of House Republicans to choose a nominee & elect the Speaker on the Floor. At this time there is no justification for a departure from this tradition. The House will be in order.”
Pelosi did not reveal how she plans to vote on the motion to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif).
Gaetz has made Pelosi sound statesmanlike. Great move.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:45:08 pm
🇺🇸Travis🇺🇸 @Travis_in_Flint Watching these Republicans come out and attack Matt Gaetz is laughable.
We, the voters, are sick and tired of a GOP that constantly loses. We don’t want this leadership anymore. Bending over and letting McCarthy remain Speaker just because it keeps the dems out of the role is laughable.
What’s the difference between Speaker McCarthy and Speaker Jeffries? It’ll have the same result for us.
At least Matt Gaetz has the guts to stand up and finally say enough!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 05:45:53 pm
I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 @ImMeme0 Kevin McCarthy…
- Stroked a deal with Biden to send more money to Ukraine - Blocking the subpoena to Hunter Biden - Sold us out on the debt ceiling - Didn’t secure the border - Didn’t release the Jan6 tapes - Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents - Hasn’t helped J6 political prisoners - Refuses to hold anyone accountable - Keeps voting with Democrats
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 05:46:51 pm
I think McCarthy stabbed us conservatives in the back, but throwing a bomb blowing up this whole thing at our most politically vulnerable point is a losing strategy. The MSM loves to paint the GOP as inept and destructive grandstanders...
This just gives them a whole extra box of ammo.
Please remember that "strategy" should Donald Trump become the GOP Nominee? :laugh:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 05:58:41 pm
- Stroked a deal with Biden to send more money to Ukraine - Blocking the subpoena to Hunter Biden - Sold us out on the debt ceiling - Didn’t secure the border - Didn’t release the Jan6 tapes - Kept 87,000 New IRS Agents - Hasn’t helped J6 political prisoners - Refuses to hold anyone accountable - Keeps voting with Democrats
That is why McCarthy needs to go -- he's a RINO, always has been and always will be. I'm glad to see Gaetz stand up against him -- BUT again, the magic question is, who would replace him? That's the danger here, we don't need another liberal in place.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 05:59:36 pm
🇺🇸Travis🇺🇸 @Travis_in_Flint Watching these Republicans come out and attack Matt Gaetz is laughable.
We, the voters, are sick and tired of a GOP that constantly loses. We don’t want this leadership anymore. Bending over and letting McCarthy remain Speaker just because it keeps the dems out of the role is laughable.
What’s the difference between Speaker McCarthy and Speaker Jeffries? It’ll have the same result for us.
At least Matt Gaetz has the guts to stand up and finally say enough!
This person clearly doesn't understand what the democrats are capable of.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 06:03:02 pm
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Sean Davis @seanmdav
Every conservative lawmaker I’ve talked to points to the debt limit deal as the moment when trust was broken between McCarthy and conservatives who backed him in January. That lack of trust—not any specific policy item in the CR/shutdown fight—is what paved the way to this afternoon’s vote. https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/01/democrats-victory-lap-over-mccarthys-debt-ceiling-surrender-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-compromise/
11:14 AM · Oct 3, 2023
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:07:01 pm
I think McCarthy stabbed us conservatives in the back, but throwing a bomb blowing up this whole thing at our most politically vunerable point is a losing strategy. The MSM loves to paint the GOP as inept and destructive grandstanders......
This just gives them a whole extra box of ammo.
Absolutely, McCarthy stabbed us conservatives in the back!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:08:43 pm
This person clearly doesn't understand what the democrats are capable of.
Clearly.
Gaetz is like a kid of a working class family who is mad his parents didn't by him the spaceship trip he wanted for Christmas. The votes in Congress are not there to force what the hardliners are trying to force. The refusal to acknowledge that reality is at the root of all of this.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:09:29 pm
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Why is it that Republicans are always fighting among themselves, why aren’t they fighting the Radical Left Democrats who are destroying our Country?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:10:09 pm
Well, almost time to see if Gaetz has enough Democrat allies to win his motion....
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:11:55 pm
Real Mac Report @RealMacReport Reporters ask Rep. Matta Gaetz about his motion to remove Kevin McCarthy as House Speaker.
Rep. Matt Gaetz: "Biden says there's a deal with the Speaker on Ukraine. The Speaker just stood up in front of us and said there's no deal on Ukraine. Someone's lying about whether or not in this CR negotiation there was a secret side deal on Ukraine funding."
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Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:12:09 pm
Gingrich said: "Gaetz is violating the House Republican Conference rule that states the motion to vacate “should only be available with the agreement of the Republican Conference so as to not allow Democrats to choose the Speaker."
Is that true, or not?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:13:08 pm
Rep. Ken Buck @RepKenBuck · 6m Kevin McCarthy has repeatedly broken his word both to the American people and to members of Congress.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on October 03, 2023, 06:15:13 pm
I'm not necessarily against what Gaetz is doing, I just question his plan here. Does he have a next move?
And I feel no sympathy for McCarthy, he did this to himself.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 06:15:30 pm
Why is it that Republicans are always fighting among themselves, why aren’t they fighting the Radical Left Democrats who are destroying our Country?
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Gavin Mario Wax @GavinWax
I wish House Republicans fought as hard for everyday Americans as they do for Kevin McCarthy.
They never show this level of passion when it comes to the border, the opioid pandemic, the housing crisis, the nationwide crime wave, the trade imbalance, inflation, or anything else.
10:45 AM · Oct 3, 2023
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:17:59 pm
Nick Sortor @nicksortor 🚨 JUST IN: Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries says "House Democratic leadership will vote YES on the pending Republican motion to vacate the chair" and remove @SpeakerMcCarthy
McCarthy was banking on some support from Democrats in order to maintain his position.
If all Democrats vote in favor of vacating, McCarthy can only afford to lose FIVE Republicans.
Things are NOT looking good for the Speaker.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 03, 2023, 06:20:51 pm
Why is it then that McCarthy has not shown the same passion when it comes to the border, the opioid pandemic, the housing crisis, the nationwide crime wave, the trade imbalance, inflation, or anything else???
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 06:23:19 pm
Says the guy who has been fighting Republican Ron DeSantis for the past nine months straight.
Trump being hypocritical once again.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 06:23:37 pm
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Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
From colleague Kelly Phares. Democrats have officially been told by leadership per their whip notice to vote NO on motion to table and YES on the motion to vacate.
1:45 PM · Oct 3, 2023
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 06:26:01 pm
Nick Sortor @nicksortor 🚨 JUST IN: Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries says "House Democratic leadership will vote YES on the pending Republican motion to vacate the chair" and remove @SpeakerMcCarthy
McCarthy was banking on some support from Democrats in order to maintain his position.
If all Democrats vote in favor of vacating, McCarthy can only afford to lose FIVE Republicans.
Things are NOT looking good for the Speaker.
I am not familiar enough with the House GOP members - other than Greene and Gaetz I don't know who else is going to vote against McCarthy.
I would like to see McCarthy ousted, but I don't want someone in there who is going to be even worse, so I really hope Gaetz has someone in mind.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:26:06 pm
Ann Coulter @AnnCoulter · 6m It would appear to be time for Kevin McCarthy to run around the Capitol pulling some fire alarms.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 06:27:07 pm
I am not familiar enough with the House GOP members - other than Greene and Gaetz I don't know who else is going to vote against McCarthy.
I would like to see McCarthy ousted, but I don't want someone in there who is going to be even worse, so I really hope Gaetz has someone in mind.
It doesn't matter who Gaetz has in mind. It matters if he can get someone for whom 216 other Republicans will vote, and he cannot know at this point whether that is possible.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:33:15 pm
Voting now to table the motion
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 06:34:13 pm
It doesn't matter who Gaetz has in mind. It matters if he can get someone for whom 216 other Republicans will vote, and he cannot know at this point whether that is possible.
I think Gaetz is right to call a vote to remove McCarthy, but it should have been done awhile ago and definitely with some plan to move forward. This could backfire.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Sighlass on October 03, 2023, 06:35:34 pm
I think Gaetz is right to call a vote to remove McCarthy, but it should have been done awhile ago and definitely with some plan to move forward. This could backfire.
I don't think he should have called it unless a majority of House Republicans supported it. At that point, I have zero problem with removing the Speaker. But when you have a tiny minority of the caucus uniting with the Democrats to get rid of a Republican Speaker, it just stinks.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Gefn on October 03, 2023, 06:37:17 pm
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Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:37:17 pm
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 06:37:44 pm
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:40:45 pm
Rep. Ken Buck @RepKenBuck · 18m - Single subject bills - Vote on balanced budget amendment - Commitment to hold hearings on unauthorized gov programs - Task force focused on controlling federal spending
What do these things have in common? They were all commitments that Speaker McCarthy made, then broke.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:42:34 pm
Carmine Sabia @CarmineSabia · 42m McCarthy will be voted out.
Then he will be Speaker again.
Matt Gaetz needs to be removed from Congress after this. He is one person of 435. And he is costing us the House in 2024.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:43:15 pm
If there truly is no plan, then this was stupid on Gaetz's part. At this point -- Maybe Green to be speaker?
Lord help us...
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:45:48 pm
Looks like Gaetz and a grand total of 10 other Republicans are going to unite with 200+ Democrats to defeat a Speaker supported by 200+ Republicans.
Gee, I wonder why the Democrats would vote in favor of Gaetz' motion? I mean, what's in it for them if the result of this is really going to be a "more conservative" Speaker?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:46:09 pm
Nay 218 Yea 206
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Kamaji on October 03, 2023, 06:47:04 pm
Looks like Gaetz and a grand total of 10 other Republicans are going to unite with 200+ Democrats to defeat a Speaker supported by 200+ Republicans.
Gee, I wonder why the Democrats would vote in favor of Gaetz' motion. I mean, what's in it for them if the result of this is really going to be a "more conservative" Speaker?
The democrats are allowing the republicans to build for them the argument that the GOP is wholly disfunctional and shouldn't be allowed to retain control of the House in 2024.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 06:47:32 pm
That's technically not the vote to remove the Speaker but it is the vote to have the vote to remove the Speaker, so it likely will be the same. Although I do thinks Sparks said she would vote yes on this but no on the actual Motion.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:48:07 pm
The democrats are allowing the republicans to build for them the argument that the GOP is wholly disfunctional and shouldn't be allowed to retain control of the House in 2024.
They are creating campaign ads as we speak...
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 06:49:44 pm
Rep. Ken Buck @RepKenBuck · 18m - Single subject bills - Vote on balanced budget amendment - Commitment to hold hearings on unauthorized gov programs - Task force focused on controlling federal spending
What do these things have in common? They were all commitments that Speaker McCarthy made, then broke.
Where's the outrage over this from fiscal conservatives who believe the national debt is the country's single, overarching concern?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:51:03 pm
Kyle Becker @kylenabecker · 4m JUST IN: Speaker Kevin McCarthy has *LOST* the vote to dismiss a motion to vacate the chair.
His Speakership is now in jeopardy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:51:34 pm
The democrats are allowing the republicans to build for them the argument that the GOP is wholly disfunctional
The legacy GOP *IS* wholly dysfunctional ----- how else do you think we are trillions in debt, have no borders, have institutionalized election and voter fraud, and lost control of all our institutions ---- from the DOJ to the FBI to education and health care??
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 06:58:13 pm
Hodgetwins @hodgetwins · 14m If Republicans had any balls they would remove McCarthy and vote Trump in as speaker
People who say things like that just amaze me. Are they truly that insular in assuming everyone shares their POV about Trump?
It's not a lack of "balls" that explains why House Republicans don't vote for Trump as speaker. It's that a majority of them don't want Trump as Speaker. "Balls" have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:58:39 pm
Bo Snerdley @BoSnerdley · 6m The motion to table is NOT adopted. It moves to the next phase - 11 Republicans voted to allow this process to move forward. Not done yet - there is a chance that McCarthy holds on. This is uncharted territory!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 06:58:46 pm
Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray · 3m Replying to @stillgray For those who don't understand, tabling the vote means delaying the vote. They had the opportunity to delay the vote and the Democrats and 11 Republicans voted to keep going with the ouster of Kevin McCarthy. Now they're having a 1hr debate about whether he stays or goes.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 07:01:55 pm
Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 @julie_kelly2 · 36m Why does it feel like we’re being played
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 07:03:49 pm
People who say things like that just amaze me. Are they truly that insular in assuming everyone shares their POV about Trump?
It's not a lack of "balls" that explains why House Republicans don't vote for Trump as speaker. It's that a majority of them don't want Trump as Speaker. "Balls" have nothing to do with it.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 07:14:48 pm
I'm just going to say that whatever the end result of this entire process is, responsibility lies solely at the feet of Gaetz and his allies. They get no points for their intention, desires, goals, etc.. All that matters is whether or not Gaetz's Motion puts us in a better or worse position.
They get elected for results, not for grandstanding.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 07:16:50 pm
Biggs is doing his best to show some level headed balance to Gaetz' mouth frothing.
My take? Mc Carthy 100% needs to go, but do it January 3, 2025.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 07:17:38 pm
Philip Klein @philipaklein · 16m Gaetz says that he is mad at McCarthy for passing a bill that was supported by 126 Republicans and 209 Democrats, and so he is aiming to oust him by having ~6 Republicans vote with every Democrat.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 07:18:31 pm
Unbelievable!
Jake Sherman @JakeSherman · 12m Gaetz is being forced to speak from the Democratic side of the House chamber because allies of Kevin McCarthy blocked all the other microphones.
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Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 07:19:55 pm
Jake Sherman @JakeSherman · 12m Gaetz is being forced to speak from the Democratic side of the House chamber because allies of Kevin McCarthy blocked all the other microphones.
Well, Gaetz has allied himself with the entire Democratic caucus, so it seems rather fitting to me.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 07:20:27 pm
Rep. Matt Gaetz @RepMattGaetz I don’t think voting against @SpeakerMcCarthy is chaos.
I think $33 Trillion in debt is chaos.
I think not passing single-subject spending bills is chaos.
I think being governed by continuing resolutions and omnibus bills is chaos.
Chaos is somebody we cannot trust with their word.
That’s why I’ve moved to vacate the chair.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 07:21:47 pm
Rep. Matt Gaetz @RepMattGaetz I don’t think voting against @SpeakerMcCarthy is chaos. I think $33 Trillion in debt is chaos. I think not passing single-subject spending bills is chaos. I think being governed by continuing resolutions and omnibus bills is chaos. 1Chaos is somebody we cannot trust with their word.
That’s why I’ve moved to vacate the chair.
So the question is: does this Motion make that chaos worse, or better?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 07:23:21 pm
Rep. Matt Gaetz @RepMattGaetz I don’t think voting against @SpeakerMcCarthy is chaos.
I think $33 Trillion in debt is chaos.
I think not passing single-subject spending bills is chaos.
I think being governed by continuing resolutions and omnibus bills is chaos.
Chaos is somebody we cannot trust with their word.
That’s why I’ve moved to vacate the chair.
Just want to drop this here... you Never Trumpers have railed for years about deficits.
Anyone of you folks could have written this post by Gaetz.
And one particular gentleman already posted a "Pontius Pilate - wash my hands of the entire mess
Been telling you...live in the REAL world.
On one hand, Gaetz' post is noble and truthful. Compliments to him for putting it out there just how all you deficit hawks are...shrieking pansies who think by holding a moral high ground will somehow get you reelected.
BTW... I love the idea of Donald Trump as Speaker of the House.
He'd be 3rd in line. :laugh:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 07:31:30 pm
Just want to drop this here... you Never Trumpers have railed for years about deficits.
Anyone of you folks could have written this post by Gaetz.
And one particular gentleman already posted a "Pontius Pilate - wash my hands of the entire mess
Been telling you...live in the REAL world.
You fail to see the forest from trees. No one is arguing the Gaetz' point of how badly the fiscal house has been run. But... Before blowing it up, have to have a Plan B. That is why this ouster vote needs to be defered to January 3, 2025.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 07:36:20 pm
Matt Couch @RealMattCouch · 12m Now Congressman Thomas Massie is standing with Kevin McCarthy, saying the best Speaker he's ever served under...
The Fix is in... the GOP is done... It's a joke.. They're all Uniparty Pieces of Trash..
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 07:41:27 pm
You fail to see the forest from trees. No one is arguing the Gaetz' point of how badly the fiscal house has been run. But... Before blowing it up, have to have a Plan B. That is why this ouster vote needs to be defered to January 3, 2025.
Pray tell...then what? What's the plan to keep the House in November, 2026? With a rabid media complex chewing you up 24/7?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 07:41:57 pm
Gaetz' is about to hyperventilate from bloviation.
Take it down a notch Matt. :cool:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 07:44:47 pm
Is it just me, or are some of the people here advocating the hardest against McCarthy because he isn't doing more to cut the deficit the same people who argue in favor of Trump not cutting the deficit because it would be bad politically?
There certainly seems to be at least some overlap there....
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 07:47:20 pm
Pray tell...then what? What's the plan to keep the House in November, 2026? With a rabid media complex chewing you up 24/7?
2026?
2026 won't mean shit if this thing unravels, and we don't have a working viable Speaker the rest of the term. That same MSM that you rightfully villify 5X more if the GOP come across utterly inept and disorganized.
2026 is eons away and more problemtic , if we seal our fate this week.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 07:49:34 pm
You fail to see the forest from trees. No one is arguing the Gaetz' point of how badly the fiscal house has been run. But... Before blowing it up, have to have a Plan B. That is why this ouster vote needs to be defered to January 3, 2025.
In reality, who the Speaker is makes very little difference. What is needed is a larger GOP caucus with a clear House majority willing to control spending. Absent a majority of House members being willing to do that (ignoring the Senate and Presidency for the moment...), who the Speaker is won't make a damn bit of difference.
That's what Gaetz & Co. either don't understand, or deliberately ignore.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 07:57:55 pm
I think Acme Inc. has offical sponsorship of today's proceedings. Today's flamethrowing has had the intellectual value of a Road Runner v. Coyote cartoon marathon. What a shit show.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 07:59:11 pm
2026 won't mean shit if this thing unravels, and we don't have a working viable Speaker the rest of the term. That same MSM that you rightfully villify 5X more if the GOP come across utterly inept and disorganized.
2026 is eons away and more problemtic , if we seal our fate this week.
Seems we're talking about two different things here... :shrug:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 07:59:16 pm
In reality, who the Speaker is makes very little difference. What is needed is a larger GOP caucus with a clear House majority willing to control spending. Absent a majority of House members being willing to do that (ignoring the Senate and Presidency for the moment...), who the Speaker is won't make a damn bit of difference.
That's what Gaetz & Co. either don't understand, or deliberately ignore.
Fully agree, positionally, but no one wants the job, and how is the House going to operate without formal leadership?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 08:01:10 pm
Here we go.....
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:02:23 pm
Rep Andy Biggs @RepAndyBiggsAZ · 15m I support Motion to Vacate.
Speaker McCarthy has failed to demonstrate himself as an effective leader who will change the status quo.
He has gone against many of the promises he made in January and can no longer be trusted at the helm.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:02:42 pm
Voting to vacate the chair..
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 08:03:42 pm
I'm just going to say that whatever the end result of this entire process is, responsibility lies solely at the feet of Gaetz and his allies. They get no points for their intention, desires, goals, etc.. All that matters is whether or not Gaetz's Motion puts us in a better or worse position.
They get elected for results, not for grandstanding.
Playing insider games, jockeying for position and seeking incremental gains has gotten us nothing.
Isn't there anyone in leadership who can be trusted to keep their word?
If the Pubs can't come up with a Speaker that can be trusted then why vote for them?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:05:07 pm
Fully agree, positionally, but no one wants the job, and how is the House going to operate without formal leadership?
Oh, I agree completely. Vacating the Speakership when the Speaker still has the overwhelming support of the GOP caucus, and when there is no plan on how to proceed or consensus alternative candidate, is just asinine.
I'm just pointing out that everyone directing their ire at McCarthy for not being conservative enough aren't taking into account that there are not enough votes among Republicans for the kind of things Gaetz & Co are demanding, plus the willingness to endure a long shutdown to try to force the House and President to accept them. That's not McCarthy's fault. That's just who the voters sent to Washington this time around.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Kamaji on October 03, 2023, 08:08:29 pm
You fail to see the forest from trees. No one is arguing the Gaetz' point of how badly the fiscal house has been run. But... Before blowing it up, have to have a Plan B. That is why this ouster vote needs to be defered to January 3, 2025.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:09:17 pm
Playing insider games, jockeying for position and seeking incremental gains has gotten us nothing.
Isn't there anyone in leadership who can be trusted to keep their word?
If the Pubs can't come up with a Speaker that can be trusted then why vote for them?
Maybe the republicans should relearn the lessons they used to know under Reagan about how to get things accomplished legislatively. Hint: it has nothing to do with making bombastic empty threats, grandstanding, or demanding all-or-nothing.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:10:20 pm
Citizen Free Press @CitizenFreePres · 7m "Boo all you want!"
Matt Gaetz goes off on RINOs complaining that Gaetz and others are asking for financial support from small donors.
"I'll be happy to fund my political operation through hardworking Americans and y'all keep showing up at the lobbyist fundraisers!"
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:10:59 pm
Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer · 4m Disgusting. @Jim_Jordan just gave a speech in support of @SpeakerMcCarthy .
Sell out!
So now Jim Jordan, @RepDonaldsPress @mtgreenee and @chiproytx have all said they won’t vote to remove @SpeakerMcCarthy .
These people are obstructionists to MAGA victories. We deserve better.
My only disagreement with her post.
It's not about MAGA victories, it's about having an open legislative process and ending the middle of the night backroom deals that everyone votes for and only a few know what's in the bill. I don't expect conservatives to get everything they want in a bill, but I want to know what's in it and what were the compromises.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:12:23 pm
Rep. Matt Gaetz @RepMattGaetz · 1m I take no lecture from those who would grovel and bend knee for the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership, hollow out this town, and borrow against the future of our future generations.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:13:02 pm
I'll say this -- the emotions are very high among both those attacking McCarthy, and those defending him. Assuming this Motion succeeds, the issue of the Speakership is not going to be resolved quickly. McCarthy has more than enough strong supporters to kill the election of any alternative.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 08:13:04 pm
Just want to drop this here... you Never Trumpers have railed for years about deficits.
Anyone of you folks could have written this post by Gaetz.
And one particular gentleman already posted a "Pontius Pilate - wash my hands of the entire mess
Been telling you...live in the REAL world.
On one hand, Gaetz' post is noble and truthful. Compliments to him for putting it out there just how all you deficit hawks are...shrieking pansies who think by holding a moral high ground will somehow get you reelected.
BTW... I love the idea of Donald Trump as Speaker of the House.
He'd be 3rd in line. :laugh:
Other than Trump as Speaker, I'm with you!
888high58888
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:13:25 pm
Rep. Ken Buck @RepKenBuck · 7m Yea.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Kamaji on October 03, 2023, 08:15:20 pm
Rep. Matt Gaetz @RepMattGaetz · 1m I take no lecture from those who would grovel and bend knee for the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership, hollow out this town, and borrow against the future of our future generations.
But, since nobody else is going to kow-tow to his bullying, he's going to blow it all up instead and hand the reins back to the democrats. Please explain to us how having the democrats back in charge is going to do anything positive for future generations?
It's very nice that that is his stated intention, but his actions are not putting that into practice.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:15:35 pm
Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer · 5m JUST IN: @laurenboebert just voted against the Motion to Vacate @SpeakerMcCarthy .
Another sell out. She was originally against McCarthy being speaker in January. Now she’s caved again…
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:16:34 pm
Maybe the republicans should relearn the lessons they used to know under Reagan about how to get things accomplished legislatively. Hint: it has nothing to do with making bombastic empty threats, grandstanding, or demanding all-or-nothing.
But yet you are missing the key element, trustworthiness.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 08:21:36 pm
Off topic, but on Fox RDS has claimed Trump has spent $25M specifically attacking him. I was wonder how much Tumpy would fleece and waste on this attack. I hope his donors are happy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:22:01 pm
No, that's the look of a woman staring at a man with real courage.
How does that take courage?
Instead of being a minor, relatively junior member of Congress, he's now a far more well known leader of a faction within the House. Even if more people hate him, so what? As long as he's the darling of a certain segment of voters, he'll be able to raise tons of money and try to use it as a springboard.
Purely in terms of his personal fortunes, it's incredibly self-serving. That doesn't take courage.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:22:12 pm
Instead of being a minor, relatively junior member of Congress, he's now a far more well known leader of a faction within the House. Even if more people hate him, so what? As long as he's the darling of a certain segment of voters, he'll be able to raise tons of money and try to use it as a springboard.
Purely in terms of his personal fortunes, it's incredibly self-serving. That doesn't take courage.
Cruz has taken similar approaches in his senate tenure, maybe not as nuclear as this but.....
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Sighlass on October 03, 2023, 08:24:19 pm
I guess I will be the sore thumb, Go Gaetz, teach the RINOs that they can be supplanted. Yes, I wish there was someone up to take the reins.... no I am not a fan of disrupting without a plan of solid leadership in reserve, but right now, I want the message out... no more lying RINOs thinking they are above being called out.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 08:24:45 pm
But, since nobody else is going to kow-tow to his bullying, he's going to blow it all up instead and hand the reins back to the democrats. Please explain to us how having the democrats back in charge is going to do anything positive for future generations?
It's very nice that that is his stated intention, but his actions are not putting that into practice.
So your saying there is no one in Pub leadership that can be trusted to keep their word?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 08:28:02 pm
Instead of being a minor, relatively junior member of Congress, he's now a far more well known leader of a faction within the House. Even if more people hate him, so what? As long as he's the darling of a certain segment of voters, he'll be able to raise tons of money and try to use it as a springboard.
Purely in terms of his personal fortunes, it's incredibly self-serving. That doesn't take courage.
Instead of submitting to all the Establishment Loyalists in the Pub party he is willing to fight and say no.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:28:58 pm
Instead of submitting to all the Establishment Loyalists in the Pub party he is willing to fight and say no.
Not really sure that grandstanding in a suit while you have a bunch of fans tell you how wonderful you are, and you suddenly become much more important and powerful than you were before constitutes "fighting", but opinions differ, I suppose.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 08:30:19 pm
I guess I will be the sore thumb, Go Gaetz, teach the RINOs that they can be supplanted. Yes, I wish there was someone up to take the reins.... no I am not a fan of disrupting without a plan of solid leadership in reserve, but right now, I want the message out... no more lying RINOs thinking they are above being called out.
:amen:
Maybe if the liars are called out more often they wouldn't be so quick to be backstabbing liars.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:30:54 pm
Rep. Matt Gaetz @RepMattGaetz · 1m I take no lecture from those who would grovel and bend knee for the lobbyists and special interests who own our leadership, hollow out this town, and borrow against the future of our future generations.
I respect him for that. Because he's right.
I understand why Republicans don't agree with Gaetz's strategy and timing.
But also: at some point, most of us have figured out that our "leadership" has been playing us for suckers for a long, long time now.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:35:02 pm
183 yes, 172 no at this point.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 08:37:02 pm
With 3 absent, I think the magic number is 217.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:37:20 pm
But yet you are missing the key element, trustworthiness.
:facepalm2:
You don't get anything or anywheres by throwing bombs. You do get places if, like Reagan, you prioritize your interests, figure out which ones you cannot live with, and which you can, and the extent to which you are willing to log-roll - to give something to get something you want.
That is something that these so-called conservatives with Gaetz simply do not seem to understand. They are acting like spoilt children, who are going to take their ball and go home - and give the game to the democrats - because they won't be able to get 100% of what they've demanded.
Spoilt little children.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:40:38 pm
216-205
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 08:40:39 pm
I guess I will be the sore thumb, Go Gaetz, teach the RINOs that they can be supplanted. Yes, I wish there was someone up to take the reins.... no I am not a fan of disrupting without a plan of solid leadership in reserve, but right now, I want the message out... no more lying RINOs thinking they are above being called out.
I absolutely agree with you @Sighlass I just afraid of the possibility that they could insert a DEM as Speaker. Then all of this is for naught. But even at that, I agree with Gaetz.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:41:12 pm
216 yes, 206 no right now. Bunch of Dems passing right now because they don't want to be the ones who put it over the top. Pelosi just passed.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:41:15 pm
McCarthy shouldn't have been so confident
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:43:31 pm
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DB on October 03, 2023, 08:54:27 pm
Be careful of what you wish for... We now find out if there's any plan in place or just more shitshow.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on October 03, 2023, 08:54:35 pm
Most people need to check their credit limits prior to spending.
The Federal Government checks their credit limits after spending. The existential threat of a US default requires the Debt Ceiling to be increased 100% of the time.
There's no structural mechanism nor incentive to decrease appropriations.
If there's 100% chance my credit limit will be raised, why not keep spending? It's only when the monthly minimum credit card payment becomes unsustainble or unmanageable, that I might consider reducing spending.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 08:55:36 pm
I feel some sort of encouragement that a step forward was taken and succeeded.
The House is now in recess. I sure the heck they come up with a plan and a new Speaker, ASAP. This is where things could turn very sour for conservatives.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:55:54 pm
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 08:56:41 pm
There is a temporary Speaker per rule (selected by McCarthy), though he doesn't have the Constitutional status of the Speaker. But he obviously didn't have to make any promises to Gaetz & Co. to get that job. My guess is that he's probably going to keep it for the rest of the term because there won't be the ability to elect anyone else.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 08:57:37 pm
Jake Sherman @JakeSherman · 10m 🚨🚨 BREAKING -- THE HOUSE HAS VOTED TO REMOVE KEVIN MCCARTHY AS SPEAKER.
8 Republicans and all Democrats present voted to oust McCarthy after 269 days as speaker.
216-210
The House, once again, is in a state of chaos.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:00:27 pm
Tara Setmayer 🌻 @TaraSetmayer · 47s Once again, Republicans making history for all the wrong reasons in the Trump era.
McCarthy deserves this embarrassing demise. Unworthy of the gavel from the beginning.
But, it’s another sad day for the institution of Congress. This dysfunction is a disservice to the country.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:01:51 pm
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:03:04 pm
Bonchie @bonchieredstate · 2h Matt Gaetz joining with Hakeem Jeffries and Liz Cheney. Incredible.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 09:03:25 pm
I really don't want to hear anything again from Gaetz & Co. about voting with Democrats. Fortunately, though, we won't have to. Patrick McHenry, the Speaker pro tem, is a strong ally of McCarthy, and will remain in that position unless/until someone else is elected to it. Or presumably unless Gaetz & Co. file another Motion to Vacate though I don't know whether than can be done with respect to a Speaker pro tem.
One thing that has happened, though, is that Gaetz and the hardliners have lost every bit of leverage they had, and it is likely that McHenry and the rest of McCarthy's allies will tell them to go copulate with themselves moving forward. No need to compromise. So if the goal of this was to force the Speaker and GOP conference to be more deferential to the hardliners, it likely backfired.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 03, 2023, 09:05:04 pm
This could have been avoided in 2016, after he lost the first time. He never should have been allowed to retain his spot next in line after he lost to Paul Ryan, knowing full well that this would happen again.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:05:53 pm
Trump is right when he asked *Why are Repubs fighting with ea other*...
WOW Judge Jeanne just nailed it on The Five...I need to find her quote
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bigheadfred on October 03, 2023, 09:06:33 pm
I really don't want to hear anything again from Gaetz & Co. about voting with Democrats. Fortunately, though, we won't have to. Patrick McHenry, the Speaker pro tem, is a strong ally of McCarthy, and will remain in that position unless/until someone else is elected to it. Or presumably unless Gaetz & Co. file another Motion to Vacate though I don't know whether than can be done with respect to a Speaker pro tem.
One thing that has happened, though, is that Gaetz and the hardliners have lost every bit of leverage they had, and it is likely that McHenry and the rest of McCarthy's allies will tell them to go copulate with themselves moving forward. No need to compromise. So if the goal of this was to force the Speaker and GOP conference to be more deferential to the hardliners, it likely backfired.
No gain more pain
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:06:42 pm
Ari Fleischer @AriFleischer · 18m Unbelievable. The Democrats, with the help of Matt Gaetz and a handful of GOP Members, just ousted the Republican Speaker of the House. What a mess. This is so foolish. Why would anyone want to be Speaker of the House.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:07:37 pm
Senator John Cornyn @JohnCornyn · 20m A handful House members just want to blow up the institution and themselves in the process. Sad.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:08:12 pm
Rep. Nancy Mace @RepNancyMace · 32m Today I voted for the Motion to Vacate and remove the Speaker.
This isn’t about left vs right.
This isn’t about ideology.
This is about trust and keeping your word.
This is about making Congress do it’s job.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 09:09:10 pm
I think this is what confirms it was personal. They gained nothing. McCarthy's gone, but one of his strongest allies is now Speaker pro tem and has absolutely zero reason to show any consideration to the hardliners. They've lost whatever leverage they may have had, and are now just kind of irrelevant. And if they threaten McHenry with "We'll just file another motion to vacate and get rid of you!", he'd likely response with "Go ahead. I didn't want the job anyway." They had one bullet in their gun, used it, and now...nothing.
The group that has gained the most of out of this is House Democrats. Because with the hardliners now being alienated from the rest of the caucus, they'll be the ones with whom deals have to be made.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 09:09:22 pm
Tara Setmayer 🌻 @TaraSetmayer · 47s Once again, Republicans making history for all the wrong reasons in the Trump era.
McCarthy deserves this embarrassing demise. Unworthy of the gavel from the beginning.
But, it’s another sad day for the institution of Congress. This dysfunction is a disservice to the country.
I disagree. The true dysfunction and disservice to this country are the RINO's who keep siding with the liberals and making closed doors deals. While this upset could make matters worse, it IMHO was a warning shot to the RINO's in Congress. It put the McCarthys and McConnells on notice.
I also believe Gaetz needs to be given a pat on the back for having the courage to go up against RINO McCarthy. It was a bold move, a gamble with his political career which is probably on the line, but he had the guts to do it. Bravo!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:09:27 pm
Rep. Lauren Boebert @RepBoebert No for now.
Now is not the time to remove the Speaker and I have decided to vote against the motion to vacate the chair.
I too am frustrated by the broken promises, secret deals, and failed leadership. Time and time again we have seen legislation come to the floor that the majority of Republicans do not support. From using Democrats to pass a CR, to a debt ceiling deal endorsed by Democratic leadership, to even promising different topline budgets to Joe Biden and House conservatives, I am sick and tired of business as usual in the Swamp.
My focus right now is on getting the federal government funded through 12 individual spending bills like we promised everyone in January, delivering on the priorities of the Third District, and moving forward on the Oversight and Accountability Committee’s impeachment inquiry.
Another Speaker fight right now, in my opinion, undermines those priorities at the worst possible time. It would delay the hard work and important fights necessary to get this country back on track. We need to finish the job the American people elected us to do, and I’m here to ensure that happens. 3:44 PM · Oct 3, 2023 · 63.1K Views The Briefing Room
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 03, 2023, 09:10:03 pm
Trump is right when he asked *Why are Repubs fighting with ea other*...
WOW Judge Jeanne just nailed it on The Five...I need to find her quote
Excuse me? Trump is running as a Republican. I don't see him bowing out to unify the party, because he thinks he's entitled to the Presidency. And that's the problem.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 09:10:21 pm
I think this is what confirms it was personal. They gained nothing. McCarthy's gone, but one of his strongest allies is now Speaker pro tem and has absolutely zero reason to show any consideration to the hardliners. They've lost whatever leverage they may have had, and are now just kind of irrelevant. And if they threaten "We'll just file another motion to vacate and get rid of you", he'd likely response with "Go ahead. I didn't want the job anyway." They had one bullet in their gun, used it, and now...nothing.
The group that has gained the most of out of this is House Democrats. Because with the hardliners now being alienated from the rest of the caucus, they'll be the ones with whom deals have to be made.
That is right.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 09:12:19 pm
Excuse me? Trump is running as a Republican. I don't see him bowing out to unify the party, because he thinks he's entitled to the Presidency. And that's the problem.
I agree. Trump thinking that he is 'entitled' is a huge problem and his supporters that feel he is entitled is problematic.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: berdie on October 03, 2023, 09:13:26 pm
I disagree. The true dysfunction and disservice to this country are the RINO's who keep siding with the liberals and making closed doors deals. While this upset could make matters worse, it IMHO was a warning shot to the RINO's in Congress. It put the McCarthys and McConnells on notice.
On notice of what?
A ton of the folks you label RINOs (which apparently is about 210 of the GOP House members....) come from districts that actually like them, and keep re-electing them. They are far more worried about alienating those voters than they are about alienating a small group of hardliners in Congress.
And the same is true for McCarthy and the Speakership. You had the hardliners on the right making demands, but then also representatives on the other end demanding that he not give up too much. As it turns out, there was no way to keep both groups happy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 09:14:01 pm
Lou Dobbs @LouDobbs Conservatives Remove McCarthy as Speaker: Turns out theres very few in the House of Representatives that have a backbone: @RepAndyBiggsAZ , @RepTimBurchett , @RepKenBuck , @RepEliCrane , @mattgaetz , @RepBobGood , @RepNancyMace , and @RepRosendale . It appears the rest of the 200+ Republicans wanted to let @SpeakerMcCarthy continue his backroom deals with the Marxist Dems. #TheGreatAmericaShow #MotionToVacate
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:16:50 pm
Trump is right when he asked *Why are Repubs fighting with ea other*...
Guess you didn't see the RDS interview today with Cavuto. RDS has data that shows Trump spent $25M in negative campaign ads toward him. Fighting each other? lol
Orange Tumpy can at least keep hypocricy out of few of his "Untruthful Social" posts at least once in awhile/
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:19:03 pm
I think this is what confirms it was personal. They gained nothing. McCarthy's gone, but one of his strongest allies is now Speaker pro tem and has absolutely zero reason to show any consideration to the hardliners. They've lost whatever leverage they may have had, and are now just kind of irrelevant. And if they threaten McHenry with "We'll just file another motion to vacate and get rid of you!", he'd likely response with "Go ahead. I didn't want the job anyway." They had one bullet in their gun, used it, and now...nothing.
The group that has gained the most of out of this is House Democrats. Because with the hardliners now being alienated from the rest of the caucus, they'll be the ones with whom deals have to be made.
???? No, I don't think so. I believe that they perhaps realize that they need to listen to the hard line conservatives AND they also need to realize that they can't lie and make 'hidden' deals just because they have always gotten away with it. I am hoping that this has put a dent in the Country Club that so needs to be done away with.
It is time to either stand for conservatism or keep with the status quo and continue to let our country die. Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 09:21:16 pm
A ton of the folks you label RINOs (which apparently is about 210 of the GOP House members....) come from districts that actually like them, and keep re-electing them. They are far more worried about alienating those voters than they are about alienating a small group of hardliners in Congress.
And the same is true for McCarthy and the Speakership. You had the hardliners on the right making demands, but then also representatives on the other end demanding that he not give up too much. As it turns out, there was no way to keep both groups happy.
On notice that is time to unite as conservatives and quit siding with the Dems!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 09:22:16 pm
I disagree. The true dysfunction and disservice to this country are the RINO's who keep siding with the liberals and making closed doors deals. While this upset could make matters worse, it IMHO was a warning shot to the RINO's in Congress. It put the McCarthys and McConnells on notice.
I also believe Gaetz needs to be given a pat on the back for having the courage to go up against RINO McCarthy. It was a bold move, a gamble with his political career which is probably on the line, but he had the guts to do it. Bravo!
LOL! I wouldn't be surprised if Scott Boras already reached out to Matt Gaetz. happy77
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:24:10 pm
Guess you didn't see the RDS interview today with Cavuto. RDS has data that shows Trump spent $25M in negative campaign ads toward him. Fighting each other? lol
Orange Tumpy can at least keep hypocricy out of few of his "Untruthful Social" posts at least once in awhile/
Yes I listened to him..I always have FOX News on.
LOL at the hypocrisy of Trump's statement...but it doesn't take away the fact that Repubs NEVER stand together and seem to always appear to foment chaos. jmo
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 09:25:39 pm
LOL at the hypocrisy of Trump's statement...but it doesn't take away the fact that Repubs NEVER stand together and seem to always appear to foment chaos. jmo
Spot On.... :beer:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 09:26:07 pm
Guess you didn't see the RDS interview today with Cavuto. RDS has data that shows Trump spent $25M in negative campaign ads toward him. Fighting each other? lol
Orange Tumpy can at least keep hypocricy out of few of his "Untruthful Social" posts at least once in awhile/
Apples/Oranges.
Don't be a stoonaad! RDS fired the 1st shot by declaring his candidacy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:27:16 pm
???? No, I don't think so. I believe that they perhaps realize that they need to listen to the hard line conservatives AND they also need to realize that they can't lie and make 'hidden' deals just because they have always gotten away with it. I am hoping that this has put a dent in the Country Club that so needs to be done away with.
It is time to either stand for conservatism or keep with the status quo and continue to let our country die. Just my humble opinion.
So basically your way or the highway? That is not how things are supposed to work in this country. THE SYSTEM THAT OUR FOUNDERS SET UP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT BOTH SIDES FIND COMMON GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNING IN THIS COUNTRY! THAT IS THE STATUS QUO!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 09:28:42 pm
Don't be a stoonaad! RDS fired the 1st shot by declaring his candidacy.
Does that also apply to Trump's recent suggestion that the RNC cease debates? Trump's a hypocrite no matter which angle you slice those apples and oranges
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:31:17 pm
On notice that is time to unite as conservatives and quit siding with the Dems!
Well, they tried to cut a deal with the hardliners. The "Main Street Caucus" agreed to Chip Roy's plan for 8% cuts and a border bill. But the hardliners rejected that.
Here's reality -- the rest of the GOP caucus is not willing to go with the long-term shutdown demanded by the hardliners. They won't do it because their voters would kill them. So they've now learned that dealmaking with the hardliners doesn't work. That leaves working with Dems as their only option if they want to avoid long shutdowns.
Just watch. Anyone thinking this actions is going to cause a shift to the right is going to be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:33:54 pm
Excuse me? Trump is running as a Republican. I don't see him bowing out to unify the party, because he thinks he's entitled to the Presidency. And that's the problem.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 09:35:53 pm
Does that also apply to Trump's recent suggestion that the RNC cease debates? Trump's a hypocrite no matter which angle you slice those apples and oranges
You slice an apple. You peel an orange. :laugh:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 09:40:02 pm
Quote
The Spectator Index @spectatorindex
BREAKING: Acting House Speaker Patrick McHenry angrily slams the gavel after Kevin McCarthy's removal as speaker.
They aren’t going to like McHenry any better. Cue the circus music.
I think this is going to end up about as well as it did when leftists vented their emotions by pushing for defunding the police, no bail, etc.. Lots of folks not thinking through the full consequences of the actions they support.
We should start hearing leaks in the next day or so about what is going on behind closed doors in the GOP caucus. I'll bet it's fun!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:43:54 pm
I feel some sort of encouragement that a step forward was taken and succeeded.
The House is now in recess. I sure the heck they come up with a plan and a new Speaker, ASAP. This is where things could turn very sour for conservatives.
All they have to do is ask who in leadership is trustworthy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 09:50:02 pm
"Tumpy"'s running up deficits continues to be the #1 reason he provides for withholding his vote.
And frankly, I think the cognitive dissonance around here when it comes to reining in spending without negative ramifications at the ballot box just 24 months after beginning your noble 'crusade' shows how unrealistic and unworkable it is .... at this point in time.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:50:05 pm
And does anyone other than me notice that @roamer_1 seems to be hiding from this thread like the plague.
It serves as EXHIBIT A that he's a fringe character not able to function in the real world.
Nope @DCPatriot ... Just watching the fun. And it is fun to watch y'all praise the RINOs, when the Conservative guy is the one REALLY trying to drain the swamp.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 09:51:35 pm
I disagree. The true dysfunction and disservice to this country are the RINO's who keep siding with the liberals and making closed doors deals. While this upset could make matters worse, it IMHO was a warning shot to the RINO's in Congress. It put the McCarthys and McConnells on notice.
I also believe Gaetz needs to be given a pat on the back for having the courage to go up against RINO McCarthy. It was a bold move, a gamble with his political career which is probably on the line, but he had the guts to do it. Bravo!
Spot on!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2023, 09:52:47 pm
Nope @DCPatriot ... Just watching the fun. And it is fun to watch y'all praise the RINOs, when the Conservative guy is the one REALLY trying to drain the swamp.
Uh-huh.... you're too damned chicken to stick your head up when there's live fire.
You had no idea how this was going to shake out.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:53:14 pm
Nope @DCPatriot ... Just watching the fun. And it is fun to watch y'all praise the RINOs, when the Conservative guy is the one REALLY trying to drain the swamp.
So they drained the swamp by working with the Democrats...
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: roamer_1 on October 03, 2023, 09:54:43 pm
"Tumpy"'s running up deficits continues to be the #1 reason he provides for withholding his vote.
And frankly, I think the cognitive dissonance around here when it comes to reining in spending without negative ramifications at the ballot box just 24 months after beginning your noble 'crusade' shows how unrealistic and unworkable it is .... at this point in time.
HISTORIC, MONUMENTAL spending... Not that it matters... I wouldn't vote for him even if he was merely 'running up deficits'. If he held the line, or got it going the other way, well then he'd catch my eye... which is an exponential opposite of Tumpy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 09:56:20 pm
Lou Dobbs @LouDobbs Conservatives Remove McCarthy as Speaker: Turns out theres very few in the House of Representatives that have a backbone: @RepAndyBiggsAZ , @RepTimBurchett , @RepKenBuck , @RepEliCrane , @mattgaetz , @RepBobGood , @RepNancyMace , and @RepRosendale . It appears the rest of the 200+ Republicans wanted to let @SpeakerMcCarthy continue his backroom deals with the Marxist Dems. #TheGreatAmericaShow #MotionToVacate
Thank you posting this. I wanted to be sure who I donate to. I know these 8 won't get any DC insider money.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 09:56:28 pm
You mean like the RINOs just passed the CR by working with the Democrats?
They tried to work with the hardliners, but they refused to consider even a 30 days CR plus spending cuts. So there was no option left to avoid a shutdown but to pass the Senate bill and its 45 day CR. And given the number of Republican members who were not going to vote for a long-term shutdown when there wasn't even a GOP alternative, that was inevitable.
And if you think removing McCarthy is going to make it less likely that there will full CR after that 45 days expires...guess again. The hardliners fired the only bullet in their gun, and have now made themselves irrelevant.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 10:07:31 pm
They tried to work with the hardliners, but they refused to consider even a 30 days CR plus spending cuts. So there was no option left to avoid a shutdown but to pass the Senate bill and its 45 day CR. And given the number of Republican members who were not going to vote for a long-term shutdown when there wasn't even a GOP alternative, that was inevitable.
And if you think removing McCarthy is going to make it less likely that there will full CR after that 45 days expires...guess again. The hardliners fired the only bullet in their gun, and have now made themselves irrelevant.
Disagree. Now's the time to fire that only bullet, during the election season, where the RINOs, winnowed out in this process, are revealed. That bullet is irrelevant otherwise.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 10:12:58 pm
Yup. Doesn't need to be any secret deal because the new Speaker isn't bound by promises McCarthy made. They'll just ignore the hardliners because...why not? You can't work with them anyway.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: roamer_1 on October 03, 2023, 10:16:34 pm
Yup. Doesn't need to be any secret deal because the new Speaker isn't bound by promises McCarthy made. They'll just ignore the hardliners because...why not? You can't work with them anyway.
What's the difference when McCarthy didn't honor the promise anyway? That's what this is about.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 10:17:32 pm
Disagree. Now's the time to fire that only bullet, during the election season, where the RINOs, winnowed out in this process, are revealed. That bullet is irrelevant otherwise.
Ok which party controls the Senate and THE WHITE HOUSE?????
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: libertybele on October 03, 2023, 10:19:39 pm
What's the difference when McCarthy didn't honor the promise anyway? That's what this is about.
Exactly. McCarthy lied (and this isn't the first time) and thought that he could get away with it. Again, either conservatives take back control over the RINO ridden House and Senate or we lose our Republic.
Yes, perhaps this wasn't the best time to make this move and it is disturbing that there are so few true conservatives in the House, but, if not now, then when? After the can is kicked down the road again???
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 03, 2023, 10:19:42 pm
Disagree. Now's the time to fire that only bullet, during the election season...
Now what happens? They can't threaten the Speaker pro tem, they can't force the rest of the GOP conference to do anything, and they have no leverage at all. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if what is happening right now behind closed doors is the rest of the conference telling those folks to 'F off". Because...why not? They don't need the hardliners.
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....where the RINOs, winnowed out in this process, are revealed. That bullet is irrelevant otherwise.
How are they "winnowed out"? There are 210 of them, and one of them is now the Speaker pro tem. All the other leadership positions are the same, so the same folks are still in charge.
And in terms of voters, those folks voted the way they did because they knew they'd be voted out of office if they were responsible for a long shutdown in support of a GOP bill that literally does not exist. They weren't defying "the voters" by voting for that CR. They were listening to them.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 03, 2023, 10:19:53 pm
Now what happens? They can't threaten the Speaker pro tem, they can't force the rest of the GOP conference to do anything, and they have no leverage at all. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if what is happening right now behind closed doors is the rest of the conference telling those folks to 'F off". Because...why not? They don't need the hardliners.
How are they "winnowed out"? There are 210 of them, and one of them is now the Speaker pro tem. All the other leadership positions are the same, so the same folks are still in charge.
And in terms of voters, those folks voted the way they did because they knew they'd be voted out of office if they were responsible for a long shutdown in support of a GOP bill that literally does not exist. They weren't defying "the voters" by voting for that CR. They were listening to them.
We shall see.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 03, 2023, 10:25:02 pm
A new Speaker who is trustworthy embraces the rules that were agreed to in Jan and when dealing with the Rats actually fights for conservative goals. We won't get everything we want, but at least we won't have a knife in our backs.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: catfish1957 on October 03, 2023, 10:34:50 pm
Ok which party controls the Senate and THE WHITE HOUSE?????
So what, the pressure is just as much on them to work something out as it is on the House. If the House makes it clear it will only be individual appropriation bills that get sent to them in the end they will negotiate. If they know that on the last minute the House will pass a CR and then an omnibus they won't. You can't force change if you surrender before the fight has started.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 03, 2023, 10:37:51 pm
A lot of people here need to learn Civics 101 AGAIN:
Yes it comes FROM THE HOUSE, but it needs to pass the FULL HOUSE, and then PASS THE SENATE WITH 60 VOTES and SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT to make it official!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVKvqTItto
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on October 03, 2023, 10:48:27 pm
What part of fiscal conservatism and fiscal discipline don't Establishment Republicans understand?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Sighlass on October 03, 2023, 10:51:27 pm
Nope @DCPatriot ... Just watching the fun. And it is fun to watch y'all praise the RINOs, when the Conservative guy is the one REALLY trying to drain the swamp.
Yep, lot of wagons being circled here.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: cato potatoe on October 03, 2023, 10:53:08 pm
Yes fringe. About a dozen house members think they can just SHUT EVERTHANG DAYOWN and the voters will reward them for bringing chaos into their lives. Their plans are unrealistic. What happened today will not lead to a reduction in spending. It just proves the republicans are less capable of governing than democrats.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Sighlass on October 03, 2023, 10:54:09 pm
Yes fringe. About a dozen house members think they can just SHUT EVERTHANG DAYOWN and the voters will reward them for bringing chaos into their lives. Their plans are unrealistic. What happened today will not lead to a reduction in spending. It just proves the republicans are less capable of governing than democrats.
Please, stop making excuses for the status quo Republicans who always serve as assistant democrats. Opposition to the Uniparty is desperately needed. It won't be easy and it won't be pretty, but it is the key to this nation's survival.
At least try to embrace this fight!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 03, 2023, 11:24:18 pm
Yes fringe. About a dozen house members think they can just SHUT EVERTHANG DAYOWN and the voters will reward them for bringing chaos into their lives. Their plans are unrealistic. What happened today will not lead to a reduction in spending. It just proves the republicans are less capable of governing than democrats.
It's not a matter of thinking that they can shut everything down and voters will rejoice, it is though a matter of not allowing the liberals to continue to walk all over us. We need some fiscal responsibility and border security. IF we don't get those two things under control, we're not going to have a country left.
The GOP is in shambles and for once someone is trying to get the party back in line. We cannot have the liberals continue to run us over allowing endless funding of Ukraine and allowing millions more of ILLEGALS into this country. Their end goal is to bring this country to its knees under their marxist/communist rule. ILLEGALS = majority votes for DEMS for an indefinite time. I don't want my grandchildren and great grandchildren to be endured servants because we opted to support Ukraine with continued billions. Nor do I want them fighting in their own back yards because we failed to secure our own border.
We should have held every single Republican in Congress accountable a very long time ago!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 03, 2023, 11:27:01 pm
On principle, Gaetz is correct. There has to be a consequence to breaking one's promise.
That's. right.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:29:28 pm
Kevin McCarthy @SpeakerMcCarthy · 42s I will not seek to run again for Speaker of the House. I may have lost a vote today, but I fought for what I believe in—and I believe in America. It has been an honor to serve.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:30:25 pm
Chuck Callesto @ChuckCallesto · 9m BREAKING REPORT: Rep Troy Nehls just nominated DONALD TRUMP for Speaker of the House..
THOUGHTS?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:31:35 pm
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Dan Bongino @dbongino · 1h Fed up with all this bullshit. They all suck. All of them. Country is collapsing, in real time, right now, and no one in that Capitol Hill shithole gives a shit.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:32:22 pm
Erick Erickson @EWErickson · 2h McCarthy whored himself for Trump and Trump stays silent.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:33:15 pm
Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 The press wants you to think the only story in Washington is a fight amongst Republicans. But over the past 10 days:
- The Democrat chair of the foreign affairs committee was charged with taking bribes from a foreign country - The DC attorney general has sent subpoenas to Democrat dark money giant Arabella Advisors over possible illegal activity - A House Democrat stalled a house proceeding by pulling a fire alarm, a felony. - Biden’s envoy to Iran was outed as an Iranian spy - Gavin Newsom appointed a Marylander to be California’s senator - Hunter Biden pleaded not guilty to a felony gun charge - Hunter was also caught listing his dad’s home address as the beneficiary on a wire transfer from Communist China. - A Democrat House member was carjacked thanks to an explosion of predatory criminal behavior sparked by Democrats' pro-crime policies.
Oh, and Joe Biden is still an utter disaster of a president, too. 6:14 PM · Oct 3, 2023 ·
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bigheadfred on October 03, 2023, 11:33:36 pm
Chuck Callesto @ChuckCallesto · 9m BREAKING REPORT: Rep Troy Nehls just nominated DONALD TRUMP for Speaker of the House..
THOUGHTS?
There is no room in the tent for another clown.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:34:27 pm
Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 @julie_kelly2 · 2h Just my opinion but my sense is if McCarthy had not embraced Ukraine funding all year; formed a separate J6 committee or at least a highly functioning weaponization committee; and immediately moved to impeach Garland, Wray, and/or Mayorkas, none of this happens.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Sighlass on October 03, 2023, 11:34:49 pm
EX Speaker McCarthy found out he wasn't untouchable... and hopefully others will remember it.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 03, 2023, 11:41:48 pm
I still can't get over the Repubs voting with the Dems...with ACO and the squad....I'm gobsmacked..
They've been voting with the Dems for years now. Judicial appointments, cabinet appointments, omnibus spending bills, debt ceiling hikes, debt ceiling suspensions, etc. The only difference here is that it isn't costing the taxpayer anything.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:49:11 pm
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:50:39 pm
Hugh Hewitt @hughhewitt · 2h Memo to @HouseGOP : Name @SpeakerMcCarthy Speaker Emeritus, keep everything the same, expel the eight from the caucus, recruit primary challengers to them all. Be a party that isn’t controlled by its knuckleheads.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 03, 2023, 11:51:11 pm
EX Speaker McCarthy found out he wasn't untouchable... and hopefully others will remember it.
So who replaces him? And how?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:52:19 pm
Dan Bongino @dbongino · 1h McCarthy sucked. Big time. But if today was so wonderful for conservatism then why did the demonrats vote overwhelmingly for it?
:pondering:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:54:12 pm
Michael Reagan @ReaganWorld · 2h The Maga Republicans will cost us 2024..House,Senate & WH…
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2023, 11:55:00 pm
Chuck Callesto @ChuckCallesto · 9m BREAKING REPORT: Rep Troy Nehls just nominated DONALD TRUMP for Speaker of the House..
THOUGHTS?
Guess folks are running out of things to say about this, but did the fools not learn anything from throwing this against the wall in January? :laugh:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2023, 11:57:42 pm
Brigitte Gabriel @ACTBrigitte · 54m Matt Gaetz may have lost a lot of friends in the halls of Congress today, but he gained more respect from the American voters.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Timber Rattler on October 03, 2023, 11:59:17 pm
Kevin McCarthy @SpeakerMcCarthy · 42s I will not seek to run again for Speaker of the House. I may have lost a vote today, but I fought for what I believe in—and I believe in America. It has been an honor to serve.
I used to be very critical of McCarthy when he was Boehner's hitman, but believe that he ultimately became a decent Speaker, considering the job description and the rowdy caucus he had to manage. With that said, I think this is a smart move, since Gaetz has now broken it, and now gets to buy and own it---lock, stock, and barrel. I'd just sit back and enjoy the popcorn too...
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Timber Rattler on October 03, 2023, 11:59:39 pm
Brigitte Gabriel @ACTBrigitte · 54m Matt Gaetz may have lost a lot of friends in the halls of Congress today, but he gained more respect from the American voters.
Nonsense.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 04, 2023, 12:00:07 am
Dan Bongino @dbongino · 1h McCarthy sucked. Big time. But if today was so wonderful for conservatism then why did the demonrats vote overwhelmingly for it?
Reason number 100 why no one's accused Dan of being a deep thinker. :whistle:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: roamer_1 on October 04, 2023, 12:11:23 am
All bills for the raising of revenue must originate in the House. Spending bills can come from the Senate. And as a practical matter, so can revenue bills. They just take some other bill that originated in the House and amend it in the Senate to raise revenue. So the bill technically originated in the House.
They do it all the time.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Sighlass on October 04, 2023, 12:13:28 am
Yup. And those 30 are not going to vote for long shutdowns. Probably won't vote for even a short one at this point, and they'd likely reject even Chip Roy's bill if it was brought up again. They have no reason at this point to try to compromise with the hardliners any more.
But that's a reality some folks just don't want to acknowledge. They live in a fantasy work where the majority of voters are secretly conservative and will vote out anyone who isn't as soon as they are "exposed".
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: kevindavis007 on October 04, 2023, 12:28:00 am
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: DB on October 04, 2023, 12:28:52 am
Well... If the Democrats all vote for something and they get it, it seems pretty foolish to have any positive expectations of the outcome... Be careful what you wish for...
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:31:16 am
Don't be a stoonaad! RDS fired the 1st shot by declaring his candidacy.
Uh, no. Trump was already trashing DeSantis long before he declared his candidacy. This right here is the downside of spitting out the first emotional thought that pops in your head without considering whether or not it is true.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:34:24 am
Nope @DCPatriot ... Just watching the fun. And it is fun to watch y'all praise the RINOs, when the Conservative guy is the one REALLY trying to drain the swamp.
Damn straight.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:37:44 am
They tried to work with the hardliners, but they refused to consider even a 30 days CR plus spending cuts. So there was no option left to avoid a shutdown but to pass the Senate bill and its 45 day CR.
Not true. There are always options. Chief among them was the option for Kevin McCarthy to keep his word. He didn't. This is 100% on him.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:38:46 am
Dan Crenshaw @DanCrenshawTX If you’re voting with every single Democrat in the House to oust a Republican Speaker, it’s not about winning for your constituents. It’s not about winning for conservatives. Based on all the fundraising emails we are seeing, it’s only about personal attention.
Dan Crenshaw can eat out of the crack of my ass.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: corbe on October 04, 2023, 12:43:06 am
Yes fringe. About a dozen house members think they can just SHUT EVERTHANG DAYOWN and the voters will reward them for bringing chaos into their lives.
These dozen or so members aren't doing it to be rewarded by voters. They are doing it to save America. It is the print-and-spend side that operates solely on keeping their jobs.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2023, 12:46:52 am
Digest this sports fans!
Presidential succession as of today:
1 Vice President Kamala Harris Democratic – Speaker of the House of Representatives Vacant 2 President pro tempore of the Senate Patty Murray Democratic 3 Secretary of State Antony Blinken Democratic 4 Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen Democratic 5 Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin Unknown 6 Attorney General Merrick Garland Unknown 7 Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland Democratic 8 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack Democratic 9 Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo Democratic 10[A] Secretary of Labor Julie Su Democratic 11 Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra Democratic 12 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Marcia Fudge
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:48:43 am
Please, stop making excuses for the status quo Republicans who always serve as assistant democrats. Opposition to the Uniparty is desperately needed. It won't be easy and it won't be pretty, but it is the key to this nation's survival.
This is hilarious coming from you. Let me know if your boy Trump ever decides to switch gears and oppose the Uniparty.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:50:43 am
Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11 The press wants you to think the only story in Washington is a fight amongst Republicans. But over the past 10 days:
- The Democrat chair of the foreign affairs committee was charged with taking bribes from a foreign country - The DC attorney general has sent subpoenas to Democrat dark money giant Arabella Advisors over possible illegal activity - A House Democrat stalled a house proceeding by pulling a fire alarm, a felony. - Biden’s envoy to Iran was outed as an Iranian spy - Gavin Newsom appointed a Marylander to be California’s senator - Hunter Biden pleaded not guilty to a felony gun charge - Hunter was also caught listing his dad’s home address as the beneficiary on a wire transfer from Communist China. - A Democrat House member was carjacked thanks to an explosion of predatory criminal behavior sparked by Democrats' pro-crime policies.
Oh, and Joe Biden is still an utter disaster of a president, too. 6:14 PM · Oct 3, 2023 ·
Yep.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 12:53:34 am
These dozen or so members aren't doing it to be rewarded by voters. They are doing it to save America. It is the print-and-spend side that operates solely on keeping their jobs.
BULLSH*T
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 04, 2023, 01:45:23 am
Right. They're not going to be able to "save America" with a crummy 4 vote margin and a very divided House GOP caucus, and when the Democrats control the Senate and Presidency.
There's the "if we all just stick together..." fantasy, but that ignores that you have several dozen House GOP members who will oppose any lengthy shutdown. That means you cannot use the shutdown as a weapon because the other side knows you can't make it stick.
I think that's the point of logical disconnect. Just a reluctance to acknowledge and address a clearly fatal flaw.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 01:54:26 am
Right. They're not going to be able to "save America" with a crummy 4 vote margin and a very divided House GOP caucus, and when the Democrats control the Senate and Presidency.
Intent and ability are two separate things. With McCarthy in there, America loses. With McCarthy gone, we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 01:56:38 am
If we agree, then it comes down to a matter of probability. What is the likelihood that McCarthy will do this?
Without the guarantees that Conservatives have been pushing for here, I put the likelihood of McCarthy not getting separate appropriations bills passed before the deadline at 100%. Which is why I believe it is important to push for those guarantees.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: jmyrlefuller on October 04, 2023, 02:08:23 am
Yup. And those 30 are not going to vote for long shutdowns. Probably won't vote for even a short one at this point, and they'd likely reject even Chip Roy's bill if it was brought up again. They have no reason at this point to try to compromise with the hardliners any more.
But that's a reality some folks just don't want to acknowledge. They live in a fantasy work where the majority of voters are secretly conservative and will vote out anyone who isn't as soon as they are "exposed".
The other reality is that in one generation, our national debt has risen nearly sevenfold with no relief in sight. That cannot be sustained, and only a hard shutdown with a firm cap on the debt ceiling, coupled with—unfortunately—printing money to cover the interest on existing debt can solve this runaway spending train.
It's a reality that probably zero people in Congress are actually willing to address, nor are probably 95% of Americans who are dependent on this completely unsustainable way of life and envy other countries that are even worse in their largesse.
This is the failure of democracy.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 04, 2023, 02:36:05 am
Hugh Hewitt @hughhewitt · 2h Memo to @HouseGOP : Name @SpeakerMcCarthy Speaker Emeritus, keep everything the same, expel the eight from the caucus, recruit primary challengers to them all. Be a party that isn’t controlled by its knuckleheads.
This is one of the great things that come out of tough times. You learn who wants to fight and who wants to surrender.
Just one more pundit not to listen to.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 04, 2023, 02:37:39 am
Brigitte Gabriel @ACTBrigitte · 54m Matt Gaetz may have lost a lot of friends in the halls of Congress today, but he gained more respect from the American voters.
:amen:
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: bilo on October 04, 2023, 02:47:15 am
Right. They're not going to be able to "save America" with a crummy 4 vote margin and a very divided House GOP caucus, and when the Democrats control the Senate and Presidency.
There's the "if we all just stick together..." fantasy, but that ignores that you have several dozen House GOP members who will oppose any lengthy shutdown. That means you cannot use the shutdown as a weapon because the other side knows you can't make it stick.
I think that's the point of logical disconnect. Just a reluctance to acknowledge and address a clearly fatal flaw.
You must be a lawyer, or have been one.
Lawyers are the last people you bring into a negotiation and when you do it's with instructions to cross the "T's" and dot the "I's" only.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on October 04, 2023, 03:04:37 am
Lawyers are the last people you bring into a negotiation and when you do it's with instructions to cross the "T's" and dot the "I's" only.
Is that so? Interesting. I guess I should defer to your vast experience.
So how would you make the couple of dozen GOP moderates agree to a long-term holdout when it's not what their constituents want?
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: christian on October 04, 2023, 03:24:39 am
If only Trump could be defeated and impeached again, and the entire government given over to the Democrats and Biden so America could survive. You know, much like we have it now. Marching lock-stepping stooges insist this is the way, do what we have been doing and change nothing. Then bawl about how bad everything is, but this is how change will be done, by changing nothing-a one party socialist governing! Then blame the failure on capitalism! RegARDLESS OF IT BEING SOCIALIST IN OUR MIDST WHO MADE THE CHANGES THAT GOT US TO WHERE WE NOW ARE AT. George Soros CZAR GOVERNMENT.
Title: Re: Gaetz Has Filed Motion To Vacate the Chair
Post by: Hoodat on October 04, 2023, 04:22:41 am
Uh, no. Trump was already trashing DeSantis long before he declared his candidacy. This right here is the downside of spitting out the first emotional thought that pops in your head without considering whether or not it is true.