LIVE THREAD...Trump Surrenders

[catfish1957]

Trump will never be acquitted, I'd say that's pretty drastic.

But drastic enough for him to lose the primaries?  This witch hunt has had the opposite effect. $10M in fund raising, and he's rocketing in the polls..  In fact Raz polling yesterday had him beating Pedo Joe by 7 percentage points.

The actual martyr gig is working at least now.

[libertybele]

But drastic enough for him to lose the primaries?  This witch hunt has had the opposite effect. $10M in fund raising, and he's rocketing in the polls..  In fact Raz polling yesterday had him beating Pedo Joe by 7 percentage points.

The actual martyr gig is working at least now.

Will he still be allowed to run if found guilty?  If he has to do time, I don't see that happening.  This indictment is all about preventing him from running.

[catfish1957]

Will he still be allowed to run if found guilty?  If he has to do time, I don't see that happening.  This indictment is all about preventing him from running.

I researched that and found that even if he is convicted, it does not preclude him from gaining the nomination or even become POTUS.

What the slimey dims are banking on, is that a conviction will sway enough swing voters not to vote for him. 

[Kamaji]

I researched that and found that even if he is convicted, it does not preclude him from gaining the nomination or even become POTUS.

What the slimey dims are banking on, is that a conviction will sway enough swing voters not to vote for him. 

Exactly.

[sneakypete]

Will he still be allowed to run if found guilty?  If he has to do time, I don't see that happening.  This indictment is all about preventing him from running.

@libertybele

I disagree. It is about distracting him as well as pissing him off in an effort to get him to blow his top so he loses support.

I don't think it is going to cost him ANY support,but it will distract him at a time when he needs to focus on his campaign.

BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I disagree. It is about distracting him as well as pissing him off in an effort to get him to blow his top so he loses support.

I don't think it is going to cost him ANY support,but it will distract him at a time when he needs to focus on his campaign.

BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

IMHO the NYC court can do whatever they want -- they are liberal and corrupt so I'm not sure that there's any possibility of them being sued.

[LadyLiberty]

@libertybele


BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

It's possible, but is it likely given the location?

Look at what happened to Nifong in the Duke LaCrosse case.

[Kamaji]

@libertybele

I disagree. It is about distracting him as well as pissing him off in an effort to get him to blow his top so he loses support.

I don't think it is going to cost him ANY support,but it will distract him at a time when he needs to focus on his campaign.

BTW,can the NYC court or prosecutor be sued for damages for filing bogus charges?

For the last question: generally no. 

[roamer_1]

IMHO the NYC court can do whatever they want -- they are liberal and corrupt so I'm not sure that there's any possibility of them being sued.

Yeah. But appeal with send it to the state courts, where NYC ain't in control.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yeah. But appeal with send it to the state courts, where NYC ain't in control.

New York Appellate courts generally are pretty good.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Agree.  Unless something drastically happens in the dynamics of this race.  It's over.

I think that may be a bit of "prisoner of the moment".  This case is going to the back burner for the next 8 or so months, during which there will be plenty of opportunities for Trump to remind GOP primary voters why so many of them were looking for alternatives.

I'd love for him to lose, but at a minimum, I want someone to make a serious enough challenge that the idea of the GOP = Trump takes a major hit.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think that may be a bit of "prisoner of the moment".  This case is going to the back burner for the next 8 or so months, during which there will be plenty of opportunities for Trump to remind GOP primary voters why so many of them were looking for alternatives.

I'd love for him to lose, but at a minimum, I want someone to make a serious enough challenge that the idea of the GOP = Trump takes a major hit.

You state facts!  We cannot be a Cult of Personality, and that would be worse than the Democrats.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

We cannot be a Cult of Personality, and that would be worse than the Democrats.

I know I'm not alone in saying this, but the whole "Cult of Personality" aspect of Trump, which is a very real thing in the same way it was with Obama, just really turns me off.   Although even Obama had enough social awareness to slip in some self deprecation once in a while to give the facade of humility.

But our first President - and thank the Lord for blessing us with him - had an inmate sense that the country was much more than just him.  He possessed true humility which is an incredible important quality given the power of political leaders in the modern world.

I have zero freaking doubt that Trump would gladly pop on a crown if one were offered.

[sneakypete]

I know I'm not alone in saying this, but the whole "Cult of Personality" aspect of Trump, which is a very real thing in the same way it was with Obama, just really turns me off.   Although even Obama had enough social awareness to slip in some self deprecation once in a while to give the facade of humility.

But our first President - and thank the Lord for blessing us with him - had an inmate sense that the country was much more than just him.  He possessed true humility which is an incredible important quality given the power of political leaders in the modern world.

I have zero freaking doubt that Trump would gladly pop on a crown if one were offered.

@Maj. Bill Martin

He can't,so why worry about it when there are real problems for everyone to worry  about,including Trump,who KNOWS that as his age this is his last opportunity  to get prominent positive mention in the history books.

Otherwise,he just goes down as a rich guy that was President for one term.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

He can't,so why worry about it when there are real problems for everyone to worry  about,including Trump,who KNOWS that as his age this is his last opportunity  to get prominent positive mention in the history books.

But doesn't that really applies to everyone running for a second term, including Biden?  They're all worried about their legacy at that point because they know they can't run again, and they know they'll never have another opportunity to be impactful historically.  Obama's proud that he got ObamaCare through, but I'm not happy about that.  So the real question isn't whether they want to be successful, but rather whether Trump's (or Biden's) idea of being successful historically is the same as mine.  And I don't feel that way about either Biden or Trump.  That's not just on policy with respect to Trump, because I also believe that he sees one of the ways to be viewed positively is to destroy anyone who might compete against him for that title.  He thinks he'll end up looking good if he destroys other Republicans who might snag some positive attention.

I see one of the hallmarks of great leaders is whether they leave behind people who will do good work after them.  But I see Trump affirmatively tearing down other Republicans I think are good, and promoting others than I think are not good.  DeSantis bad/MTG good is just not a direction I think is a good one, but that's where he'd take us.  And I just can't sign off on that.

 

[sneakypete]

But doesn't that really applies to everyone running for a second term, including Biden?   

 

@Maj. Bill Martin

No. I don't think Biden knows he is running. I think he believes he is just doing his favorite thing,attending fund raisers.

He is just doing what he has done his entire life,trying to scam money out of people by telling them what they want to hear,and denying he ever said anything they don't want to hear.

If he is breathing,he is lying. It is all he has ever done,and I have no doubt he will die with a lie on his lips.

[LMAO]

I know I'm not alone in saying this, but the whole "Cult of Personality" aspect of Trump, which is a very real thing in the same way it was with Obama, just really turns me off.   Although even Obama had enough social awareness to slip in some self deprecation once in a while to give the facade of humility.

But our first President - and thank the Lord for blessing us with him - had an inmate sense that the country was much more than just him.  He possessed true humility which is an incredible important quality given the power of political leaders in the modern world.

I have zero freaking doubt that Trump would gladly pop on a crown if one were offered.

There is a huge cult of personality when it comes to Donald Trump. You see it in their support of his MAGA cities despite their instinct that idea is ridiculous. But he also feeds it. He’s out there claiming that Dan Kelly, in our Wisconsin Supreme Court race, lost because he didn’t seek his endorsement. Yet when he endorsed him in 2020, Kelly lost by something like 10 points. Why would you want someone to endorse you who  cost you the election the first time?

Trump doesn’t realize or believe that he is an election loser. Neither do his MAGA’s.

[MeshugeMikey]

There is a huge cult of personality when it comes to Donald Trump. You see it in their support of his MAGA cities despite their instinct that idea is ridiculous. But he also feeds it. He’s out there claiming that Dan Kelly, in our Wisconsin Supreme Court race, lost because he didn’t seek his endorsement. Yet when he endorsed him in 2020, Kelly lost by something like 10 points. Why would you want someone to endorse you who  cost you the election the first time?

Trump doesn’t realize or believe that he is an election loser. Neither do his MAGA’s.

The TRumpanzee live in that alternate reality of their own making...the one that allows them to believe that thier personalized  DONNY IDOLS  are the real thing.

[sneakypete]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

[GtHawk]

But doesn't that really applies to everyone running for a second term, including Biden?  They're all worried about their legacy at that point because they know they can't run again, and they know they'll never have another opportunity to be impactful historically.  Obama's proud that he got ObamaCare through, but I'm not happy about that.  So the real question isn't whether they want to be successful, but rather whether Trump's (or Biden's) idea of being successful historically is the same as mine.  And I don't feel that way about either Biden or Trump.  That's not just on policy with respect to Trump, because I also believe that he sees one of the ways to be viewed positively is to destroy anyone who might compete against him for that title.  He thinks he'll end up looking good if he destroys other Republicans who might snag some positive attention.

I see one of the hallmarks of great leaders is whether they leave behind people who will do good work after them.  But I see Trump affirmatively tearing down other Republicans I think are good, and promoting others than I think are not good.  DeSantis bad/MTG good is just not a direction I think is a good one, but that's where he'd take us.  And I just can't sign off on that.

See that's the problem, I know anyone who runs for President has a major ego but running so as to have a chance at a place in history is the weakest reason on Earth for anyone to run on. There are countless people who through invention, charity or good works have secured a place in history without running for President. Running for President and winning is just a bigger ego stroke. Before I get mugged, I'm not saying that's Trumps sole reason or any reason of his at all because we can't see the truth in anyone's head, I am commenting the reason posited by another.

[DCPatriot]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

@sneakypete

Waste of time, IMO!

Just bite your lip and as Dionne Warwick might say..."Scroll on by!"   

[Bigun]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

@sneakypete

At the top of the page there are a series of links. Punch the one that says "profile" then click on "summary".  On the left side of the page is a list. Scroll down to "Buddies/Igrore list and punch that.

Select "edit ignore list".

A box will appear that will allow you to add whomever you like to your ignore list.

[Cyber Liberty]

Can someone tell me how to put someone on the "ignore list"

@sneakypete

1.  Click the "Profile" button at the top of every page.
2.  Hover over the "Modify Profile" button  A list of options will pop up.
3.  Hover over "Buddies/Ignore List" and click "Edit Ignore List."
4.  Type the desired screen name. 
5.  Click "Add."'

Done!

[sneakypete]

See that's the problem, I know anyone who runs for President has a major ego but running so as to have a chance at a place in history is the weakest reason on Earth for anyone to run on. There are countless people who through invention, charity or good works have secured a place in history without running for President. Running for President and winning is just a bigger ego stroke. Before I get mugged, I'm not saying that's Trumps sole reason or any reason of his at all because we can't see the truth in anyone's head, I am commenting the reason posited by another.

@GtHawk

When a storm destroys your roof and you need a new roof,what do you  care about,the personality of the roofer,or your roof not leaking the next time it rains?

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

At the top of the page there are a series of links. Punch the one that says "profile" then click on "summary".  On the left side of the page is a list. Scroll down to "Buddies/Igrore list and punch that.

Select "edit ignore list".

A box will appear that will allow you to add whomever you like to your ignore list.

@Bigun

Thank you!