Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days

[Mesaclone]

A correction is in order.  Here goes:


Kevin McCarthy sucks!


Are we back on point now?

Finally we take back the House, and a handful of buffoons ruin any chance to hold the Left accountable for all of the lies,cheating and dishonest of the past two years. As importantly, the rest of the nation now sees Conservatives as incompetent morons who can't even rally behind a Speaker. The people will forgive much, but incompetence at this level is long remembered...way to go idiots, you've tarnished conservatism and damaged the only party that has a chance to hold the Dems accountable.

[roamer_1]

Finally we take back the House, and a handful of buffoons ruin any chance to hold the Left accountable for all of the lies,cheating and dishonest of the past two years. As importantly, the rest of the nation now sees Conservatives as incompetent morons who can't even rally behind a Speaker. The people will forgive much, but incompetence at this level is long remembered...way to go idiots, you've tarnished conservatism and damaged the only party that has a chance to hold the Dems accountable.

With McCarthy as Speaker, they will not hold the Democrats accountable. They will not rein in spending, they will not move rightward. It will simply be more of the same.

BRAVO to those few willing to try to tear the RINO hand from the throat of America.

[DB]

Finally we take back the House, and a handful of buffoons ruin any chance to hold the Left accountable for all of the lies,cheating and dishonest of the past two years. As importantly, the rest of the nation now sees Conservatives as incompetent morons who can't even rally behind a Speaker. The people will forgive much, but incompetence at this level is long remembered...way to go idiots, you've tarnished conservatism and damaged the only party that has a chance to hold the Dems accountable.

LOL... Like all the times they did before... They give intense talk with furry actually doing nothing. Over and over. The IRS going after Obama opponents in an election and no one was fired. Now the federal agencies do whatever they like because the Republicans do nothing to stop them.

[Mesaclone]

With McCarthy as Speaker, they will not hold the Democrats accountable. They will not rein in spending, they will not move rightward. It will simply be more of the same.

BRAVO to those few willing to try to tear the RINO hand from the throat of America.

And yet no one else has anywhere near enough support to be Speaker. McCarthy at least has the support of 203 fellow Republicans...if not him, then who should be the Speaker. Can't be Jordan, he's turned it down and is endorsing McCarthy. So how does this end, genius?  Let me guess...not your problem.

[BellyAche]

This really is embarrassing. They should adjourn and figure things out behind closed doors instead of having this public spectacle! 

[Hoodat]

With McCarthy as Speaker, they will not hold the Democrats accountable. They will not rein in spending, they will not move rightward. It will simply be more of the same.

BRAVO to those few willing to try to tear the RINO hand from the throat of America.

Ditto.  And shame on the members here for backing Democrat-lite.

[Hoodat]

And yet no one else has anywhere near enough support to be Speaker. McCarthy at least has the support of 203 fellow Republicans...if not him, then who should be the Speaker. Can't be Jordan, he's turned it down and is endorsing McCarthy. So how does this end, genius?  Let me guess...not your problem.

Well let's see.  Jordan is steadily gaining ground while McCarthy is losing ground.  Maybe McCarthy is the one who should save us from this by withdrawing his name from consideration.

[Free Vulcan]

This really is embarrassing. They should adjourn and figure things out behind closed doors instead of having this public spectacle! 

McCarthy won't do that. He's trying to beat on the locked door like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. He's a three time loser now and won't pass the torch to someone else.

[BellyAche]

And with each round he lost votes because of his egotistical stubbornness.   

Of course CNN is having a field day!!! 

They're adjourning until noon tomorrow....

[catfish1957]

Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days

"Rep. Scott Perry, a conservative Republican from Pennsylvania, outlined the demands Mr. McCarthy has so far rejected, including commitments to consider term limits for members of Congress, a balanced budget measure and legislation to replace income taxes with a national sales tax.

“Kevin McCarthy had an opportunity to be speaker of the House,” Rep. Mr. Perry said Tuesday. “He rejected it.”"

Okay, I'm not sure I've ever heard of Scott Perry before this, but now I know I absolutely despise him because performative crap isn't a valid reason to have chaos over the speakership.

The Supreme Court already has held that the Constitutional requirements to hold office are the only ones that can be imposed by states (U.S. v. Thorton), and that reasoning is just as applicable to Congress setting limits that go beyond the Constitution.  So voting on term limits is pointless.  There also is absolutely zero chance that you'd get Constitutional Amendments -- because that's what it would take -- on a balanced budget or national sales tax through the Senate, much less through 38 states.  So those other two demands are purely performative as well.

This isn't about actually changing anything.  It's basically just conservative virtue signaling, and Perry and his ilk know it.  They're just pandering to their base because they lack the courage to say "Sorry guys, I agree with you on these issues but they can't go anywhere and here is why"  I can't stand that kind of condescending crap regardless of whether it comes from the left or right.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Gaetz had a presser, and simply stated that all McCarthy had to do, to get their endorsement for speaker was:

1. Agree to term limits vote on the House Floor
2. Bring up Balanced Budget provisons up from committe for review, and conferencing.
3. Bring up Border Protection Plan developed by the Texas Delegate for floor vote.

Please let me know exactly which of those 3 that you find unacceptable or unreasonable.....

Under the same condtions and terms, I wouldn't vote for this dim capitulating RINO either

[catfish1957]

McCarthy won't do that. He's trying to beat on the locked door like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. He's a three time loser now and won't pass the torch to someone else.

McCarthy went scorched earth today and was quoted saying he'll press on as long as there are 4 people (inferred majority) standing with him, no matter what.

[catfish1957]

You didn't answer the question again.  What good does it do to ask for a term limits bill when the Supreme Court already has held that they are unconstitutional? 

Last I looked Congress formulates, and passes laws, even when they are of new precedence, or precedent changing.  SCOTUS just interprets.

The Supreme Court once ruled slavery was not only legal, but debated its expansion.  With your rationale it'd still be legal.

[DB]

McCarthy went scorched earth today and was quoted saying he'll press on as long as there are 4 people (inferred majority) standing with him, no matter what.

It's his turn damn it.

[catfish1957]

K Street in Washington is filled with people who spend all of their time working to "refine" the definition of "INCOME"!

Yep, their next step is redefine capital gains as income.

Government wealth confiscation is well underway, and with our feckless GOP, I doubt they'll put up much of a fight.

[Fishrrman]

"Kevin McCarthy’s fate on the line, House conservatives warn speaker’s election could take days..."

I'm disgusted with the "republican" party.
Let the Speaker votes go on for a couple of WEEKS, with nobody winning.

Really, folks...
Who cares any more?

The more that is done to keep Congress "incapacitated", the better off ordinary Americans are.

[Hoodat]

You didn't answer the question again.  What good does it do to ask for a term limits bill when the Supreme Court already has held that they are unconstitutional?

The first step to implementing term limits requires a two-thirds vote of both houses.  Then it goes to the States.

[catfish1957]

Hope Kevie has a better plan than his 1855 predecessor.....

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/this-day-in-politics-dec-3-1855-084492

2 months and 133 ballots....     

[catfish1957]

Ditto.  And shame on the members here for backing Democrat-lite.

lol...they might question you level of "comprehension". 

[roamer_1]

And yet no one else has anywhere near enough support to be Speaker. McCarthy at least has the support of 203 fellow Republicans...if not him, then who should be the Speaker. Can't be Jordan, he's turned it down and is endorsing McCarthy. So how does this end, genius?  Let me guess...not your problem.

I doubt it would be Jordan. Though his endorsements mean nothing. He could still step up. But it won't be him. It won't be anyone from the right wing.

I thought this was a plan for concessions, but it looks now like outright rebellion. which makes me a  happy camper.
Probably Scalise, with major favors owed.

[roamer_1]

This really is embarrassing. They should adjourn and figure things out behind closed doors instead of having this public spectacle! 

The public spectacle is the point. That's why they are doing it now.

[roamer_1]

McCarthy went scorched earth today and was quoted saying he'll press on as long as there are 4 people (inferred majority) standing with him, no matter what.

I would laugh and laugh if he got to pack up his sh*t and move out of that office he was so confident was his. 

Today has been a great ride. 

[Mesaclone]

The public spectacle is the point. That's why they are doing it now.

So a spectacle that does nothing but ensure increasing Left wing power in all branches of government…for a generation…that’s the plan? A “spectacle” that sets back conservatism and ensures liberal predominance for decades. What a bunch of utter morons if that’s the goal.

I agree that all of the clowns involved in this “liberal helping fiasco” be banned from committee assignments entirely.

[Mesaclone]

I would laugh and laugh if he got to pack up his sh*t and move out of that office he was so confident was his. 

Today has been a great ride. 

This is the liberals wet dream. I guess y’all can celebrate together.

[EdinVA]

I doubt it would be Jordan. Though his endorsements mean nothing. He could still step up. But it won't be him. It won't be anyone from the right wing.

I thought this was a plan for concessions, but it looks now like outright rebellion. which makes me a  happy camper.
Probably Scalise, with major favors owed.

The speaker does not have to be a member of the house... 

[roamer_1]

So a spectacle that does nothing but ensure increasing Left wing power in all branches of government…for a generation…that’s the plan? A “spectacle” that sets back conservatism and ensures liberal predominance for decades. What a bunch of utter morons if that’s the goal.

I agree that all of the clowns involved in this “liberal helping fiasco” be banned from committee assignments entirely.

Well that's pretty hysterical. And I see that quite the other way around - This is probably the most conservative thing I have seen in years.

By the way, which liberals are you speaking of? The democrat ones or the Republican ones? Because less the facade of partisanship, this congress just gave the liberals everything they wished for in the next year -  And these are the same people expecting to ascend to leadership.... How is that advancing conservatism?