GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers

[sneakypete]

True enough. But there is a third element - the marxist wing of the rat party.

 

@skeeter

There is nothing new about any of this. To simplify it even more,think "Pro Rasslin",with the candidates being the rasslers,and the bankers that pull their strings being the rasslin managers who show up occasionally in order to make things explode and get people too fired up to do anything but react.

[libertybele]

Trump was one of the best presidents in American history.  Right up there with Lincoln and Washington and Reagan.   Except Trump didn't give amnesty to an invading army of illegal aliens.

He accomplished vast things, not the least of which was totally unhinging the Rodents and making them reveal to the public what disgusting animals they and their media hacks truly are.

75 million people voted for Trump, officially, more than any other candidate ever received in an American election.   

Wait for it....

Yes.  I'd say he was one of the best Presidents.  The Dems/GOPe formed a coup because he didn't march to the beat of their drums.

He was a messenger for  75 million people.  I believe his time has come and gone and hopefully we'll see a team of leaders emerge to help those millions work towards restoring this country.

[Sled Dog]

It's not contradictory at all. Results matter, not talk and not intentions. I credit Trump with good intentions. His results sucked.

Yeah, millions of new jobs, energy independence, bringing manufacturing back to the US, no new wars in Idontcarestan, tax cuts, border fence, shifted the balance of the Supreme Court in America's direction, good Kung Flu response, deported Invaders, Hillary isn't president, Rush Limbaugh's Medal of Freedom, NATO paying their fair share, America First, China Last lots and lots of successes, despite the efforts of the terrorists aka the Rodents and RINOs to defeat his agenda.

We need more presidents exactly like him.   He even won the 2020 election in a landslide.

[roamer_1]

Trump was one of the best presidents in American history.  Right up there with Lincoln and Washington and Reagan.   Except Trump didn't give amnesty to an invading army of illegal aliens.

He accomplished vast things, not the least of which was totally unhinging the Rodents and making them reveal to the public what disgusting animals they and their media hacks truly are.

75 million people voted for Trump, officially, more than any other candidate ever received in an American election.   

Wait for it....

He accomplished almost literally nothing. And cost 20 trillion dollars. More money than anyone, anywhere, in the entire history of mankind.

[sneakypete]

Sure it's about the $$ and getting donations; dangling the proverbial carrot in front of the voters. I quit donating years ago and refuse to put any $$ towards any candidate.

As for Trump, sorry, he's dangling that carrot just as much. He proclaimed no 3rd party and is focusing on GOP candidates in '22 -- nothing more than fundraising. Meanwhile the GOPe and DEMS will make sure that Trump candidates don't have a chance. That's that way I see it.

Same ole same ole and this time the ballot box is completely worthless.

You'd be better off using your $$ to get a fire started.

@libertybele   yada,yada,yada.  Nobody and nothing is ever going to satisfy you. You will always find SOME reason to condemn them all in your quest for perfection.
 

[libertybele]

Yeah, millions of new jobs, energy independence, bringing manufacturing back to the US, no new wars in Idontcarestan, tax cuts, border fence, shifted the balance of the Supreme Court in America's direction, good Kung Flu response, deported Invaders, Hillary isn't president, Rush Limbaugh's Medal of Freedom, NATO paying their fair share, America First, China Last lots and lots of successes, despite the efforts of the terrorists aka the Rodents and RINOs to defeat his agenda.

We need more presidents exactly like him.   He even won the 2020 election in a landslide.

 Yes, and most of what he did is unfortunately already being undone. As for the SCOTUS; they blinked and are part of the swamp.

What is needed is a viable conservative GOP and a DOJ that isn't corrupt.                                                                                             

[Sled Dog]

I would agree with you that now is a good time to focus on primary-ing RINOs. But I'd like to see that take the form of finding and supporting good alternative candidates instead of driving RINOs even farther towards the Dems by threatening them. Talk softly and carry a big stick versus shoot your mouth off and write checks your butt can't cash.

Threaten the RINOs with career termination by voting in Americans to be the candidate in the general election.

If the RINOs manages to make it through the primary, ensure his career extinction by deliberately voting for the Rodent to remove the disgusting RINO from office the hard way.

Then in the next cycle, push the primary towards the American and away from the RINO.

Painful, but so is cancer. 

People frequently die of cancer, but millions upon millions die if a RINO infestation is not stopped.

[libertybele]

@libertybele   yada,yada,yada.  Nobody and nothing is ever going to satisfy you. You will always find SOME reason to condemn them all in your quest for perfection.

Perfection?  The GOP needs to nominate and seat conservatives. Continuing to seat RINO's is futile. Expecting a fair election when nothing is changed is absurd and throwing $$ at MAGA candidate that you think that the DEMS won't steal the election from is a waste of $$.

[libertybele]

Threaten the RINOs with career termination by voting in Americans to be the candidate in the general election.

If the RINOs manages to make it through the primary, ensure his career extinction by deliberately voting for the Rodent to remove the disgusting RINO from office the hard way.

Then in the next cycle, push the primary towards the American and away from the RINO.

Painful, but so is cancer. 

People frequently die of cancer, but millions upon millions die if a RINO infestation is not stopped.

That's all fine and good but keep in mind that the DEMS control the elections and they are going to seat who they want.

[skeeter]

 


@skeeter

There is nothing new about any of this. To simplify it even more,think "Pro Rasslin",with the candidates being the rasslers,and the bankers that pull their strings being the rasslin managers who show up occasionally in order to make things explode and get people too fired up to do anything but react.

Add to your example a particular wrestling division allowed to show up to matches armed with knives, brass knucks and pepper spray and I'd say you've got something there.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

Wait, I thought Trump was going to be inaugurated on March 4, 2021....

[Sled Dog]

Yes, and most of what he did is unfortunately already being undone. As for the SCOTUS; they blinked and are part of the swamp.

What is needed is a viable conservative GOP and a DOJ that isn't corrupt.                                                                                             

Yup.

So the goal must be, in 2021, 2022, and 2023, to eradicate lower level RINOs from state houses and from the House and Senate so the presidential race can show traction before presidential primaries in 2024.   

This whole push at this time by the Whiners and RINOs Against Trump (wRAT) is to discredit any American candidate that will try to compete against Jeb!    So why are the state elections so important now?   The Americans need to regain control of their party or Team wRAT is going to try to rig the primaries for the RINO like they did in 2016.   The only reason we can joke about President Hillary is because Trump stopped Jeb! from not needing the voters to get nominated.

Don't forget that was a real thing then, and it still is now.   We don't have to worry only about the Rodents stealing the 2024 election, we need to worry about the RINOs behind the scenes stealing the GOP primary in the first place.

[libertybele]

Yup.

So the goal must be, in 2021, 2022, and 2023, to eradicate lower level RINOs from state houses and from the House and Senate so the presidential race can show traction before presidential primaries in 2024.   

This whole push at this time by the Whiners and RINOs Against Trump (wRAT) is to discredit any American candidate that will try to compete against Jeb!    So why are the state elections so important now?   The Americans need to regain control of their party or Team wRAT is going to try to rig the primaries for the RINO like they did in 2016.   The only reason we can joke about President Hillary is because Trump stopped Jeb! from not needing the voters to get nominated.

Don't forget that was a real thing then, and it still is now.   We don't have to worry only about the Rodents stealing the 2024 election, we need to worry about the RINOs behind the scenes stealing the GOP primary in the first place.

Absolutely the only recourse that we have right now is at the local and state levels.  The question and the  problem is HOW do we keep elections from being stolen, especially with a bill like HR1???

[Sled Dog]

There have been a few minor victories scattered here and there, but overall this argument is correct.  2017-18 is a prime example.  Republicans controlled the White House and both Houses of Congress.  Yet the national debt increased by $2 trillion.  And Planned Parenthood received over $1 billion in taxpayer funding - a record amount for any two-year period.

Wrong.

"Republicans" did not control House or Senate.

The Speaker of the House was RINO Ryan, a disgusting turn-coat who did everything he could to impede American progress.

In the Senate there was that disgusting Turtle as Majority Leader, and, even worse, McStain wasn't dead.  McStain is the reason the Senate couldn't repeal that abomination called MessiahCare.   McStain stood in the way of Bush's tax cuts back in 2001, if you'll also recall.

So, no, the GOP as the Party of Americans did not control either House or Senate in the 2017-2019 term, the RINOs did and colluded with the socialist terrorists to harm America.

NEVER let a RINO get into office again, even if that means voting for Rodents to stop them.  They're filthy disgusting things that vacuum up Rodent droppings like tilapia on a feeding frenzy.

[Sled Dog]

@BassWrangler

You don't understand anything. I wouldn't let him in my house if he came and knocked on the door.

I would.

I think it would be fascinating to see how he reacted to five huskies checking him out.

Trump's ego is a HUGE turn-off for me personally,but in THIS particular case,it makes him the perfect candidate for President. His ego is tied to how he goes down in the history books as either a good president or a bum,and nothing is more important to him that how he will be seen by historians in the years to come.

Actually history books will record Trump as being a very good and very devoted American president.

The propaganda the Rodents and RINOs will use in the classrooms will say something else.

So teach your children well.

[Sled Dog]

100% agree, but with Trump it's always about him. I love the message, but would like to see a fresh face carrying it forward. From someone who doesn't step on his Johnson on a daily basis.

That is the thing that bugs the Rodents and RINOs most of all.

That Trump really could step on his own pecker, and they needed forceps when they urinated if they didn't want to pull a Nadler.

[Sled Dog]

You got it backwards.  The GOP commandeered Trump.  They were able to consolidate their power like never before at the 2016 Convention.  And they used that power to wrest control at the State Party level and dump Trump four years later.  The very idea of Reince Priebus becoming Trump's chief of staff and being replaced with a Romney should scare the hell out of anyone.  Except an AT zealot.

Say what?

The RINO's had it all planned out, with extensive polling in the years following the Disaster Commonly Known As Romney.  They determined that their next preferred meat-puppet candidate, Jeb! could not win the nomination in any reasonable campaign, so they undertook to change the rules and then game the system.  Many state GOP rules moved to "winner takes all" delegate snatches, going to the candidate who got the plurality of the votes.  And then they started adding candidates to the national slate until they could reliably predict that Please Give Me The Clap would gain the most votes in enough states to secure the nomination....thus Jeb!'s idiotic public remark that he didn't need votes to get the nomination.

The GOPe had determined by 2015 that they would need 16 candidates on the beginning Republican lineup to foist Jeb! onto the public.

Oops.  Trump came in and there were 17 candidates on the slate.  And Trump didn't take mere pluralities, he took solid majorities, trouncing badly everyone but Cruz, who remained as a contender until it was mathematically impossible for him to win.

It's guaranteed that the RINOs are planning on pulling this same gag in 2024.   

[Sled Dog]

True enough. But there is a third element - the marxist wing of the rat party. If the DNC thinks they've got that tiger by the tail they are badly miscalculating. It will eat them last.

?

There is no Marxist wing of the  Rodent party.

Outside of the one or two skin tags, and I can't even name one, the entire Rodent Party is pure fascist, which is Marxism on a Orwellian Twenty-Year Hate.

[Sled Dog]

Sure it's about the $$ and getting donations; dangling the proverbial carrot in front of the voters. I quit donating years ago and refuse to put any $$ towards any candidate.

As for Trump, sorry, he's dangling that carrot just as much. He proclaimed no 3rd party and is focusing on GOP candidates in '22 -- nothing more than fundraising. Meanwhile the GOPe and DEMS will make sure that Trump candidates don't have a chance. That's that way I see it.

Same ole same ole and this time the ballot box is completely worthless.

You'd be better off using your $$ to get a fire started.

What Trump is recommending is scaring the skirts off the RINOs.

Trump wants to start a PAC and have all the former GOP donors, whose money would be used to protect RINOs, give their campaign contributions to his new PAC instead.   Draining the GOP money-grubbers of RINO-food is an important thing if we're going to starve the RINOs to extinction.

[Sled Dog]

Yes.  I'd say he was one of the best Presidents.  The Dems/GOPe formed a coup because he didn't march to the beat of their drums.

He was a messenger for  75 million people.  I believe his time has come and gone and hopefully we'll see a team of leaders emerge to help those millions work towards restoring this country.

I believe his time in office has passed, even though his term was stolen from us.

Trump's utility now is best as a motivator and a spot-light, informing the public of which enemies are most in need of electoral erasure.   He can become the GOPs leading statesman to the Americans now living in exile in their own country.

Don't fall for any of that Turd Party crap, what needs to happen is for the 75 MAGA to stay active and punish the RINO traitors that stole their president from them.

[Sled Dog]

He accomplished almost literally nothing. And cost 20 trillion dollars. More money than anyone, anywhere, in the entire history of mankind.

Really?

The Rodents since Johnson (the Lyin' Warmongering Bastard Johnson) have spent some thirty trillion on welfare, and accomplished only a captive slave camp of (b)lack voters.

Trump has a wall.

The Rodents and RINOs have spent ten trillion or so on pointless wars in Trashcanistan, and accomplished dead Americans, but no so many as the hundred of billions spent murdering babies in America and abroad.

Trump forced our NATO cling-ons to start paying their fair share of the costs of defending their sorry asses.

Trump stopped Kung Flu infected wetbacks from entering the US.   How much did that save us in lives and dollars?

Trump reversed the Kenyan's efforts to impoverish America, how much money did that bring into US households?

Trump made America energy independent, and that cost benefit can hardly be estimated.

Is it Trump's fault he, and America, was betrayed on every level by self-serving traitors who hate America, like the people who still claim he accomplished nothing? 

There is no doubt that his accomplishments were phenomenal and that he is one of the greatest presidents in US history.

And since when have people who hate America cared about money wasted, anyway?   

[Sled Dog]

That's all fine and good but keep in mind that the DEMS control the elections and they are going to seat who they want.

Ever watch Breaking Bad?

There's  line Walt Jr. says that pertains to this attitude.

Quitters can't be winners, which is not what Walt Jr. said.

[Sled Dog]

Absolutely the only recourse that we have right now is at the local and state levels.  The question and the  problem is HOW do we keep elections from being stolen, especially with a bill like HR1???

Damn if I know.

By using the same rules the Rodents play by, of course.

Our dead grandparents used to vote Republican, is there any reason they shouldn't resume the habit?

More to the point, check the voting rolls for dear departed Aunt Emily's cat, and if Fluffy is registered to vote, complain.

[libertybele]

Damn if I know.

By using the same rules the Rodents play by, of course.

Our dead grandparents used to vote Republican, is there any reason they shouldn't resume the habit?

More to the point, check the voting rolls for dear departed Aunt Emily's cat, and if Fluffy is registered to vote, complain.

We cannot become like the Dems.  We need to put our conservative heads together and come up with solutions.

[roamer_1]

Really?

The Rodents since Johnson (the Lyin' Warmongering Bastard Johnson) have spent some thirty trillion on welfare, and accomplished only a captive slave camp of (b)lack voters.

Trump has a wall.

The Rodents and RINOs have spent ten trillion or so on pointless wars in Trashcanistan, and accomplished dead Americans, but no so many as the hundred of billions spent murdering babies in America and abroad.

Trump forced our NATO cling-ons to start paying their fair share of the costs of defending their sorry asses.

Trump stopped Kung Flu infected wetbacks from entering the US.   How much did that save us in lives and dollars?

Trump reversed the Kenyan's efforts to impoverish America, how much money did that bring into US households?

Trump made America energy independent, and that cost benefit can hardly be estimated.

Is it Trump's fault he, and America, was betrayed on every level by self-serving traitors who hate America, like the people who still claim he accomplished nothing? 

There is no doubt that his accomplishments were phenomenal and that he is one of the greatest presidents in US history.

And since when have people who hate America cared about money wasted, anyway?

All gone. All of it. Anything that is left will be gone soon enough... As predicted.
20 FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS for a four year pipe dream.

And off you go, with stars in your eyes to do it all over again.

Mark my words.