GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers

[christian]

Reality is a Twilight zone script.  THAT DOES EXPLAIN A LOT!
       

Figure out what the never Trumpers are telling you.  Defeat Trump and that will make things better,giving the democrats a near one party government, but keep blaming Republicans,giving democrats a pass.  We now know how that worked from last election, and the massive bitching that has gone on since.  So now they believe people are amazingly too stupid to have learned anything from that, they want Republicans to be to blame for everything until only Democrats rule, failing to learn 1+1=2 keep making the same mistake until 0nly demorats govern.  Idiots are supposed to think and believe that's the only way Conservatives can win.  The IQ level has dropped significantly!  You see the results, you know the results, don't believe them!  The cuckoos flew over this nest!
Tea Party bad, the democrats and RINO's can attest to that too!  What do they have to do to convince you of the obvious, whose side they are really on?

[roamer_1]

Politics is astonishingly simple when one only needs to consider a single issue. Everything is cut and dried.

First, do no harm... And it ain't but one issue- It is many - This one is just so very indefensible.

[roamer_1]

A single issue, inaccurately framed in a manner convenient to an opinion they already have.

Nothing inaccurate about it at all. That y'all would vote for ANYONE that signed onto that fiscal debacle is simply an astonishment to me... Such a mindset will justify nearly anything, it seems to me.

This is a HUGE issue - Might have destroyed us all already, and turned our grandchildren into paupers - But still y'all go on, like it never happened at all.

[roamer_1]

That is my main concern as well, taking the situation and conditions as they are. Keeping in mind the perfect should not be made the enemy of the good.

TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. And y'all will vote for more. There ain't a damn thing 'good for America' in that at all. That is our very DOOM.

[roamer_1]

Reality is a Twilight zone script.  THAT DOES EXPLAIN A LOT!
       

Figure out what the never Trumpers are telling you.  Defeat Trump and that will make things better,giving the democrats a near one party government, but keep blaming Republicans,giving democrats a pass.  We now know how that worked from last election, and the massive bitching that has gone on since.  So now they believe people are amazingly too stupid to have learned anything from that, they want Republicans to be to blame for everything until only Democrats rule, failing to learn 1+1=2 keep making the same mistake until 0nly demorats govern.  Idiots are supposed to think and believe that's the only way Conservatives can win.  The IQ level has dropped significantly!  You see the results, you know the results, don't believe them!  The cuckoos flew over this nest!
Tea Party bad, the democrats and RINO's can attest to that too!  What do they have to do to convince you of the obvious, whose side they are really on?

There's the problem right there - NEVER blame the Republicans for ANYTHING... Because Democrats.

How friggin DUMB is that? Never any consequence. None. And then you wonder why your fetid party is full of RINOs (with a bottomless credit card).

Republicans have always been the only throttle on spending - They are no more.
Absolutely ridiculous that this conversation even has to happen.

[skeeter]

Nothing inaccurate about it at all. That y'all would vote for ANYONE that signed onto that fiscal debacle is simply an astonishment to me... Such a mindset will justify nearly anything, it seems to me.

This is a HUGE issue - Might have destroyed us all already, and turned our grandchildren into paupers - But still y'all go on, like it never happened at all.

Another mischaracterization. I care a great deal about the debt, I just have a more realistic view on how we got here, who's responsible and what can be done about it.

And I still haven't heard a workable solution to the problem from you.

[roamer_1]

Another mischaracterization. I care a great deal about the debt, I just have a more realistic view on how we got here, who's responsible and what can be done about it.

And I still haven't heard a workable solution to the problem from you.

Right. Because it's not workable or realistic to require Republicans to STOP SPENDING MONEY and put forward balanced budgets that reduce the size and reach of government... You know... That sh*t you're supposed to be standing for...

This is not just failing to reduce the size of government... kinda missing and spending a few hundred billion more than they should have... This is friggin spending WORSE than Democrats with the knobs all the way to the wood.

They need to go. ALL of them. That y'all aren't SEETHING at this blatant disregard of basic fiscal sense - And the impact it will have on your very own pocketbooks... And MORE THAN THAT, willing to vote for MORE. There is a terrible, terrible reckoning coming. And y'all are on the wrong side of it.

[roamer_1]

But when you think about it...the massive spending isn't just a single issue.  It affects every aspect of policy making.

That is exactly right, and the very same can be said of every principle thing.

[Cyber Liberty]

That is exactly right, and the very same can be said of every principle thing.

My boss once asked me to prioritize everything #1, across the board.

[Mesaclone]

That is exactly right, and the very same can be said of every principle thing.

Let me clue you in. Ted Cruz would not have cut spending either...nor would he have reduced it in any way. In fact, that is true of every candidate who ran in 2016...including 3rd party candidates. So you are criticizing Trump in particular for having done as any other candidate would have...and that is because there is no support amongst the populace for such cuts at this political moment. I wish that were not the case...and it’s important we fight and try to win the spending argument...but no leader can implement a policy....say, a balanced budget....that would result in the general extinction of his party’s ability to win an election higher than that of dog catcher FOR A GENERATION OR PERHAPS LONGER.

It will take small steps towards fiscal responsibility...and persuading of the populace over time...to win that argument. One cannot walk into the White House and simply order a balanced budget. Doing so would fail AND would end in the Socialists reigning unchallenged.

[roamer_1]

My boss once asked me to prioritize everything #1, across the board.

.. And Mussolini made the trains run on time. 

First do no harm... Do no harm against truth, against principle, and maybe you have an argument. But flagrant abuse is another thing altogether.

[skeeter]

Let me clue you in. Ted Cruz would not have cut spending either...nor would he have reduced it in any way. In fact, that is true of every candidate who ran in 2016...including 3rd party candidates. So you are criticizing Trump in particular for having done as any other candidate would have...and that is because there is no support amongst the populace for such cuts at this political moment. I wish that were not the case...and it’s important we fight and try to win the spending argument...but no leader can implement a policy....say, a balanced budget....that would result in the general extinction of his party’s ability to win an election higher than that of dog catcher FOR A GENERATION OR PERHAPS LONGER.

It will take small steps towards fiscal responsibility...and persuading of the populace over time...to win that argument. One cannot walk into the White House and simply order a balanced budget. Doing so would fail AND would end in the Socialists reigning unchallenged.

thanks @Mesaclone, well said.  Would only add this: no leader can walk into the White House and implement a balanced budget policy, period. The system simply will not allow it. It appears we on this board haven’t moved off square one on this subject, and never will.

[roamer_1]

Let me clue you in. Ted Cruz would not have cut spending either...nor would he have reduced it in any way. In fact, that is true of every candidate who ran in 2016...including 3rd party candidates.

I have likewise accused Ted Cruz. And I have likewise said I will very probably withhold my vote from him. And I have done the very same to Steve Daines. Called him right up on the phone and told him where to stick his election.

So you are criticizing Trump in particular for having done as any other candidate would have...and that is because there is no support amongst the populace for such cuts at this political moment.

No I am not. I have stated, and I will state again: THROW ALL the bastards out. All of them. That includes Tumpy AND that includes Cruz. Any Republican SOB that signed onto all that pork needs to GO. And I would say the very same of Democrats, except that I suppose none of y'all are voting for them anyway.

And I utterly reject the idea that there is no support for fiscal conservatism. There is ALWAYS support for fiscal conservatism. At any time you could run on TEA.

I wish that were not the case...and it’s important we fight and try to win the spending argument...but no leader can implement a policy....say, a balanced budget....that would result in the general extinction of his party’s ability to win an election higher than that of dog catcher FOR A GENERATION OR PERHAPS LONGER.

It will take small steps towards fiscal responsibility...and persuading of the populace over time...to win that argument. One cannot walk into the White House and simply order a balanced budget. Doing so would fail AND would end in the Socialists reigning unchallenged.

Total bullcrap. Spending TWICE (by rate) what Obummer spent removes ANY right to criticize Buydem - Though I see all y'all trying to climb on that high horse, now that it's not your guys doing it.

It is a political convenience to take spending off the table. Just like it was a political convenience to take homo marriage off the table. And guess what: Neither will be revisited again... And that is how the liberal left wins. When you guys quit fighting. Which you always do.

[roamer_1]

thanks @Mesaclone, well said.  Would only add this: no leader can walk into the White House and implement a balanced budget policy, period. The system simply will not allow it. It appears we on this board haven’t moved off square one on this subject, and never will.

Then simply quit calling what y'all do Conservatism.

Because it is not.

[skeeter]

Then simply quit calling what y'all do Conservatism.

Because it is not.

Alright. Frankly I don’t care what it’s called.

We have to operate in the world as it is. Will it all come crashing down eventually? Definitely yes. Will the route you offer lead to salvation? Definitely no. Because it is not possible, given reality.

And I think you know it’s true.

In the meantime I will do what little there is within my pitiful means to preserve the nation I grew up in and love for as long as possible.

[roamer_1]

Alright. Frankly I don’t care what it’s called.

We have to operate in the world as it is. Will it all come crashing down eventually? Definitely yes. Will the route you offer lead to salvation? Definitely no. Because it is not possible, given reality.

And I think you know it’s true.

In the meantime I will do what little there is within my pitiful means to preserve the nation I grew up in and love for as long as possible.

No, I do not think that's true, or I would not be fighting for Conservatism.

[Sled Dog]

Yes.  I'd say he was one of the best Presidents.  The Dems/GOPe formed a coup because he didn't march to the beat of their drums.

He was a messenger for  75 million people.  I believe his time has come and gone and hopefully we'll see a team of leaders emerge to help those millions work towards restoring this country.

Because his second term was stolen from the voters, his time as President will expire with nothing accomplished to benefit America in his second term, yes.

And I agree that he's too old to consider running for a third term in 2024.   

But his "time" is now, and hopefully he started a new American renaissance with his defeat of the Rodents and the 75 MAGA will take his lessons to heart and purge the system of first the RINOs and then the Rodents.   His job for now is to keep the 75 MAGA motivated to accomplish these tasks and to be wise in selecting the next president to succeed President Trump's second term.

Cruz?  DeSantis? 

....Kasick?  ugh.

[DCPatriot]

thanks @Mesaclone, well said.  Would only add this: no leader can walk into the White House and implement a balanced budget policy, period. The system simply will not allow it. It appears we on this board haven’t moved off square one on this subject, and never will.

Absolutely agree, but WTH do you mean, "We", Kemosabe??

Yet, I find it fascinating that the most prolific poster on this thread boasts that they refuse to participate, claiming it's "not my circus...not my monkeys, etc..".

[Sled Dog]

We cannot become like the Dems.  We need to put our conservative heads together and come up with solutions.

Oh, I figure that the current goal of the Rodents is to replace anyone with a job with an illegal alien with a job.

That might finally wake up the Plantation Negros and even some of the House Negros.  These Negros are, of course, metaphorical and come in all colors, mostly pale pink because the majority of the nation is still of caucasian descent, but those poor deluded serfs imprisoned on the Rodents thought-prisons might manage to think new thoughts if we can get messages through the Big Tech Thought Control Wall.

Who ever said "walls don't work", eh?

[Sled Dog]

All gone. All of it. Anything that is left will be gone soon enough... As predicted.
20 FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS for a four year pipe dream.

And off you go, with stars in your eyes to do it all over again.

Mark my words.

Gee, the Rodents just blew 10% of that in less than a month, and less than 10% of that actually went to help people's problems with the Political Flu that swept the nation last year.

What ARE you crying about?

[Sled Dog]

The problem with the Republican Party is that it is no longer a Conservative party.  It has become Democrat-lite and too lazy to fight for anything.

The last time the GOP was a "conservative" party was under Lincoln, and then it's agenda was seriously radical, that of abolition, which Lincoln did not embrace.

The GOP wasn't conservative under Reagan, he had that damned RINO Bush as his VP and that clown acted immediately to shut down Reagan's conservative gains once Bush took the White House.

[Sled Dog]

It has been castrated for decades.

The GOP is the Heaven's Gate of US politics.  It castrates itself for fear of getting power and doing good for the nation and the world.

[Sled Dog]

@roamer_1 he puts up that defense of everything Trump supposedly erased of Obama's...except for the trend of massive spending.  Trump outspent Obama when it came to increasing the national debt and the deficit.

That's what happens when the nation's internal subversive party and one's supposed ally party team together to prevent the elected president from accomplishing anything at all.

The Rodents controlled the budget process from start to finish and Trump could either refuse to fund the military, or sign porkulus bills.

Ronald Reagan had similar problems.   For the  RINOs Bush, it was a feature of their administration, not a bug.

Not once in my lifetime has an American president been coupled with an American Congress to craft pro-American laws and begin undoing the treasons the Rodents and the RINOs have been wreaking on the Republic since President Prog Teddy Roosevelt.

[Sled Dog]

Right. Because it's not workable or realistic to require Republicans to STOP SPENDING MONEY and put forward balanced budgets that reduce the size and reach of government... You know... That sh*t you're supposed to be standing for...

Aren't going to get a balanced budget until the Republicans gain control of House and Senate...real Americans, not RINOs.

Don't blame Trump for that, the US hasn't had an American Congress in our lifetimes.

This is not just failing to reduce the size of government... kinda missing and spending a few hundred billion more than they should have... This is friggin spending WORSE than Democrats with the knobs all the way to the wood.

How much did you do to help re-elect President Trump and defeat the Rodents and RINOs?

I acknowledge that you may not have been able to do much...I live in Hatefilled Harridan Maxine's district and my vote hasn't put a Republican in office since 1996 (?).   But I support the American Majority of the GOP and recognize that Trump did the very best ANYONE could have done in similar circumstances.

Given that no one could have done more for America than Trump did, what exactly is your emotional problem with him?   He tweeted mean things?  That bugging you?   

He signed budgets, which were necessary to advance his agenda items, even though they were loaded with pork that the President is powerless to excise?   

What's your stance on the Line Item Veto?

Trump was only one man...the ONLY time in US history when the President was ONLY ONE MAN.  Every other president had a team helping him advance his goals.

Trump was a citizen, not a politician.

Should we have elected Jeb! because he was a politician, even though he didn't need our votes?

Why are you crying so much?  The people that supported him aren't crying as much as you are.  We are trying instead to find roads to success.

What is your road to success, besides surrendering and letting the Rodents win forever and ever and ever?

They need to go. ALL of them. That y'all aren't SEETHING at this blatant disregard of basic fiscal sense - And the impact it will have on your very own pocketbooks... And MORE THAN THAT, willing to vote for MORE. There is a terrible, terrible reckoning coming. And y'all are on the wrong side of it.

Right.

Surrendering isn't an option for the real Americans.

[Sled Dog]

thanks @Mesaclone, well said.  Would only add this: no leader can walk into the White House and implement a balanced budget policy, period. The system simply will not allow it. It appears we on this board haven’t moved off square one on this subject, and never will.

Square One on the spending issue is simple to state and almost impossible to enact.

Ratify a Line Item Veto Amendment to the Constitution.   The President can line out any spending item on any bill and the Congress can only override that line-item veto with a 2/3 vote in both Chambers.   

This would have to be implemented by an Article V Convention of the States because Congress absolutely would not allow it otherwise.

Square Two would be a Balanced Budget Amendment that requires a 2/3 vote from both Houses to raise any federal tax (or "fee/fine/fo/fum" whatever else that Giant **** Roberts wants to call it).