This is no longer about Trumpers vs NT's or traditional conservatives.

[Right_in_Virginia]

And Conservatism winnowed down to its basic elements is NOT mere common sense.It is a discipline. Not a book club.

We've a tendency to make things way too complicated. 

In the political arena, conservatism IS common sense --- something which we know is right and true.  This, I believe, is the meaning of "common" in "common man".   

Conservatism isn't a discipline requiring training and study; or something so lofty it requires gurus to be understood.  It is common sense at its finest. 

Common sense is the remedy to the center right voter that free stuff is to the democrat-socialist.

[Right_in_Virginia]

FACTS. Tumpy was no friend to Conservatives.

Yes, he is.  And he governed as a conservative. 

I think what trips you up sometimes is Trump doesn't speak conservative in your language.  He speaks conservative for the masses, not the bowties.  The great news is:  75+ million Americans responded to conservatism in the affirmative.

[roamer_1]

We've a tendency to make things way too complicated. 

In the political arena, conservatism IS common sense --- something which we know is right and true.  This, I believe, is the meaning of "common" in "common man".   

Conservatism isn't a discipline requiring training and study; or something so lofty it requires gurus to be understood.  It is common sense at its finest. 

In a perfect world, perhaps...Common Sense dictates staying out of debt and living within your means, yet many, many eschew that very simple thing. So my reply to you would be, OK, but then common sense ain't very common.

And secondly, YES Conservatism must be taught, in it's way... It does not come naturally for one faction to support another... Each only cares for their own respective principles, and there is a direct intent to throw their brethren under the bus, so long as their own needs are met.

Considering the bare fact that libertarianism and  fiscal conservatism went under the bus during this last administration, Tumpy and Friends require remedial training.

Common sense is the remedy to the center right voter that free stuff is to the democrat-socialist.

That sure as hell ain't taught by Tumpy. There ain't a single damn fiscal leg he can stand on at all.

[roamer_1]

Yes, he is.  And he governed as a conservative. 

No he is not, and no, he did not. The very definition of Conservative is found in supporting the factions of Conservatism as found in Goldwater and Reagan. The very fact that libertarians and fiscal conservatives went under the bus is inescapable, and by definition, that is not Conservative.

I think what trips you up sometimes is Trump doesn't speak conservative in your language.  He speaks conservative for the masses, not the bowties.  The great news is:  75+ million Americans responded to conservatism in the affirmative.

BWAHAHAHAHA! I am the farthest thing there is from a 'bowtie'. And that is in fact the problem: Tumpy taught a false conservatism, an hyphenated conservatism that many now think is true.

And it is not.

[sneakypete]

The disease itself is an alliance between the Left, journalism and Big Tech that seeks not to win the political argument...but to, in effect, end it.

@Mesaclone

It is not an allegiance when they all serve the same masters.

Collectivism under a totalitarian government ran by people who have never been and never will be elected to anything is the problem,and it is not going to go away.

The wife of one of my friends was giving me a ride home from the hospital yesterday,and she is the daughter of a retired US Army Lt.Colonel and normally sounds rational. We were talking about stuff in general,and one issue veered into politics,and I started in on Biden,saying he was nothing more than a robot and thoroughly  c.orrupt. Maybe the most corrupt US Senator in US History,and that his election was due to fraud because I honestly don't know anyone that voted for him.

That's when she said SHE voted for him,and so did everybody she knew.

I told her I was shocked that she was so stupid,and that she needed better friends.

She then replied that "we had to get rid of Trump. He was so rude and so crude,and he objectified women."

No shit.

She is not the only one I have heard that from,and IIRC,there has been at least one long-time poster here that claims to be a conservative Republican that wrote the same thing.

There just ain't no fixing dumb-ass. It's forever.

BTW,she said she had never heard of Hunter Biden or Ukrainian mining companies. Or of ANY corruption by Joe Biden.

Not that I am sure it would have made any difference. Like I wrote above,there ain't no fixing dumb-ass.

[Bigun]

Collectivism under a totalitarian government ran by people who have never been and never will be elected to anything is the problem,and it is not going to go away.

   and  Exactly right @sneakypete

[christian]

Trumpy was not a conservative, a Conservative elects Biden, doncha know ?  As NO Conservative will ever be perfect enough, you therefore can only have and accept the worst candidates the Democrat can provide, and it works, its why we are where we are at now !  You can't beat reality, you have seen how it works by the practitioners, and it does work, YOU GET A BIDEN OR HITLERY AND YOU GET JUST WHAT YOU HAVE NOW !  Wheres the mystery, the proof is right before you!  Hate Trump, get Biden, WHERES THE MYSTERY DOLTS!


When an extreme leftist can convince people he's a Conservative and help the worst of the democrats get elected, and people are to blind to see how obvious that is.  They are indeed ready to be fooled by the anti-Christ.

[roamer_1]

Trumpy was not a conservative, a Conservative elects Biden, doncha know ?  As NO Conservative will ever be perfect enough, you therefore can only have and accept the worst candidates the Democrat can provide, and it works, its why we are where we are at now !  You can't beat reality, you have seen how it works by the practitioners, and it does work, YOU GET A BIDEN OR HITLERY AND YOU GET JUST WHAT YOU HAVE NOW !  Wheres the mystery, the proof is right before you!  Hate Trump, get Biden, WHERES THE MYSTERY DOLTS!


When an extreme leftist can convince people he's a Conservative and help the worst of the democrats get elected, and people are to blind to see how obvious that is.  They are indeed ready to be fooled by the anti-Christ.

Seems to me you're chasin after the wrong messiah.... 

[Smokin Joe]

You see?  With the evil Trump defeated, non-stop orgasms, we're livin in the promised land, paradise peace and harmony.  With Trump defeated, Biden is running wild with the blank check provided him!  Some 'Conservative' should be getting a cushy government job for making his election win so easy.  Helping Biden defeat Trump, of course.  And continues to help Biden defeat Trump until even now!  Hero of the revolution! 5 Star Stalin

The Republicans were helping Biden defeat Trump from day one when they failed to use the window where they had the Trifecta to enact some genuinely Conservative legislation.

Didn't happen.

The swamp is deep, the swamp is wide, and it isn't confined to either side.

[Smokin Joe]

We've a tendency to make things way too complicated. 

In the political arena, conservatism IS common sense --- something which we know is right and true.  This, I believe, is the meaning of "common" in "common man".   

Conservatism isn't a discipline requiring training and study; or something so lofty it requires gurus to be understood.  It is common sense at its finest. 

Common sense is the remedy to the center right voter that free stuff is to the democrat-socialist.

Oh, I agree about Common Sense, but the problem is, it isn't very common any more.

Instead it is used as a bullet point description of what Leftists want to enact, an often the antonym is true of that legislation.

[libertybele]

The Republicans were helping Biden defeat Trump from day one when they failed to use the window where they had the Trifecta to enact some genuinely Conservative legislation.

Didn't happen.

The swamp is deep, the swamp is wide, and it isn't confined to either side.

 

[sneakypete]

When an extreme leftist can convince people he's a Conservative and help the worst of the democrats get elected, and people are to blind to see how obvious that is. They are indeed ready to be fooled by the anti-Christ.

@christian

Religion has nothing to do with it. They vote Dim to get all the "free stuff",including actual money.

[christian]

roamer:
Seems to me you're chasin after the wrong messiah....

christian:
I seek and serve a God of truth, justice, morality, certainly not the god of a CONSERVATIVE who displays he is anything but, and serves deceits and insists he is not who he obviously is. By their deeds they shall be known, (by their double speak too.)

[Smokin Joe]

@christian

Religion has nothing to do with it. They vote Dim to get all the "free stuff",including actual money.

They have traded their birthright for a mass of pottage...

[roamer_1]

christian:
I seek and serve a God of truth, justice, morality, certainly not the god of a CONSERVATIVE who displays he is anything but, and serves deceits and insists he is not who he obviously is. By their deeds they shall be known, (by their double speak too.)

It is YOU who lies. You are a liar. You accuse me, yet you don't know me from a hole in the ground. MANY here have known me on two major websites across twenty years of participation. I have not wavered an inch in all that time, standing squarely on principle.

You might remember the Christian LAW against bearing false witness - A witness you are wholly incapable of being in your testimony - before accusing me.

[Hoodat]

You might remember the Christian LAW against bearing false witness -

Jewish law, actually.  But your point is correct.

[roamer_1]

Jewish law, actually.  But your point is correct.

YHWH's Law actually... Yeshua sad, "Not one jot or tittle..." You know the drill...
So yes, Christian Law too.

[Hoodat]

He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Romans 8

[roamer_1]

He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Romans 8

If that is so, then you do not sin anymore... which most certainly is not true.   

[MOD4]

If this thread doesn't go back on topic it will be closed.

[Hoodat]

Trump v. NT

Round 2

[Cyber Liberty]

Trump v. NT

Round 2

I usually Pie threads that go South, but @MOD4 is more direct in her approach.

[Hoodat]

Mod4 is in need of some Valium.

[libertybele]

Our political struggle has now moved on to a new phase in which it is genuinely the Fascism and censorship of the Left vs the belief in Free speech and fair elections on the Right. The article below is one of the best I've read since the election laying out just how the electoral system was corrupted to steal it from the President. But that, as grievous as it was, is no more than a symptom of the real disease. The disease itself is an alliance between the Left, journalism and Big Tech that seeks not to win the political argument...but to, in effect, end it. Their means is the controlling of information in terms of what is released, how it is presented, and the means by which some information is ignored and "debunked. It is brutally effective.

While we quibble over the import of balanced budgets and presidential tone...the Left is establishing a real world Oceania that controls all information via a Big Tech Ministry of Information. Individual issues matter, and balanced budgets are important...please do not think I'm dismissing such things...but they pale in magnitude next to the ongoing destruction of our Bill of Rights. All other fights must now take a back seat...the fight for our core rights is underway and Conservatives/Republicans cannot be fractured, distracted, nor can we aim our fire at one another. This is the fight of our generation...and we are losing, though I will not accept that we have yet lost.

For my part I'd like to extend an olive branch to folks like roamer...and even Jazz...and say that we must find a way to hang together...or Ben Franklin's old axiom will certainly apply to us all (If we do not hang together, we shall most assuredly hang separately!).

There has to be a way to unite the Right in the face of this kind of Socio-fascism...if Trump is not the answer as our 2024 candidate (though in any case his influence and contribution will be unavoidably important to whomever we do nominate for 2024), I'm open to anyone who might be able to bring our side together to defeat this Socio-fascistic tyranny. But who would that be?

Is Ted Cruz the answer?

https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/29/caught-with-their-hands-in-the-cookie-jar/

I think Cruz has the absolute ground game and knowledge of the Constitution to create and lead a new party and insert a renewed government, but it's going to take a team of people, much like our founding fathers and a commitment from supporters to fund this effort and those that are able to physically participate to make it work. 

I think we have a one time shot at succeeding and the longer we wait the less chance we have.

Cruz, Jordan, Paul, Noem and other conservatives need to be willing to walk away from their current seats and go for a long shot.

This IS about saving our Republic.

[christian]

The truth shall set you free roamer, not lies.

http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/time-magazine-youre-gdamn-right-we-ordered-the-code-red-on-rigging-the-election-and-we-should-get-medals-for-it/



Time Magazine: You're G**damn Right We Ordered the Code Red on Rigging the Election.
And We Should Get Medals for It.  Febr 5th 2021
Leftwing “journalist” — really, a Democrat operative with a press pass — Molly Ball brags about how she and her friends rigged an election to ensure the “proper outcome,” as one of her buddies says.

The election wasn't just rigged, there was plenty of false witness too.  The DIRTY FILTHY tricks to defeat Trump were massive indeed, aided by some fanatics.  Your part in "the proper outcome" noted.