Trump responds to Christianity Today: No president has done what I’ve done for religion itself

[Chosen Daughter]

AllahpunditPosted at 8:01 pm on December 20, 2019

Excerpt:

Ted Olsen, the editorial director at Christianity Today, called for prayers today on Twitter for some of the people who emailed the magazine after Galli’s editorial went live. Some, he said, had walked away from Christianity because they were disgusted at evangelical leaders for having made a moral bargain with Trump. Others had walked away from the faith by deciding that Trump was more important than Christ. He quoted one email: “You, as a believer, will crucify his messenger, and our modern day savior, President Trump? Who then will save us from the tyranny that will befall us? Jesus? Where is he now, when freedom depends on him?” The idea that Jesus is a RINO who doesn’t fight is an exciting new frontier in Christian theology.
Galli makes no bones about the fact that CT is a centrist magazine, not a right-wing one, admitting that in an interview today with the Atlantic. Even so, Franklin Graham felt moved to disassociate himself from the magazine his father founded in a Facebook post today, revealing for the first time that Billy Graham voted for Trump in 2016. Which is nice but doesn’t contradict Galli, who never claimed that Trump shouldn’t have been elected. He said that the benefit of the doubt evangelicals have given to the president on his personal behavior has clearly been exhausted after nearly three years in office. Graham then goes on to … completely prove Galli’s point that evangelical leaders don’t seriously engage with Trump’s amorality:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2019/12/20/trump-responds-christianity-today-editorial-no-president-done-ive-done-religion/

[Absalom]

As time passes, what Trump has "done for........" will be virtually non-existent
yet what Trump has "done to.........." will be the talk of the serious!!!

[PeteS in CA]

At least near-Never-Trumper "Allahpundit" included Trump's Tweets in his post, unlike Galli, who declined to quote which parts of the phone call he was condemning:

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
 Â· Dec 20, 2019
 A far left magazine, or very “progressive,” as some would call it, which has been doing poorly and hasn’t been involved with the Billy Graham family for many years, Christianity Today, knows nothing about reading a perfect transcript of a routine phone call and would rather.....

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
....have a Radical Left nonbeliever, who wants to take your religion & your guns, than Donald Trump as your President. No President has done more for the Evangelical community, and it’s not even close. You’ll not get anything from those Dems on stage. I won’t be reading ET again!

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
 I guess the magazine, “Christianity Today,” is looking for Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, or those of the socialist/communist bent, to guard their religion. How about Sleepy Joe? The fact is, no President has ever done what I have done for Evangelicals, or religion itself!

One can argue how much of that last Tweet is hyperbole or fact - Christianity and religion have only recently come under attack the way it is in the US fairly recently, so his claim could be fact - but the other realistic 2016 candidate had made her hostility to Evangelicals and theologically conservative religious folks very clear.

Galli didn't to quote which parts of the phone call he was condemning, because the phone call transcript shows Trump did not do what Galli condemned.

[Victoria33]

IMPOTUS said, "I have never asked God for forgiveness because I've never done anything wrong."  He is amoral - "Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something."

[libertybele]

IMPOTUS said, "I have never asked God for forgiveness because I've never done anything wrong."  He is amoral - "Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something."

I don't judge him as some do as being completely immoral; yes he says some immoral things and is not refined as polished as many would like.  I strongly disagree that he lacks moral sense and is unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something; his actions to me have proved otherwise.  As one small example, if he wasn't concerned for this country and right or wrong he would have kept all the Obama mandates and certainly he would have appointed very liberal justices to the Supreme Court.    Something to consider:

President Trump Has Been a Champion for Religious Freedom

Law & Justice

Issued on: February 8, 2018

   
Faith breathes life and hope into our world. We must diligently guard, preserve, and cherish this unalienable right.

President Donald J. Trump

STANDING UP FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM: In his first year in office, President Trump has taken strong action to restore the foundational link between freedom and faith in the United States of America.

    On May 4, 2017, the President signed an executive order to greatly enhance religious freedom and freedom of speech:
        taking action to ensure that religious institutions may freely exercise their First Amendment right to support and advocate for candidates and causes in line with their values; and
        ensuring that religious Americans and their organizations, such as the Little Sisters of the Poor, would not be forced to choose between violating their religious beliefs by complying with Obamacare’s contraceptive mandate or shutting their doors.
    The President has announced a reversal of the Obama administration’s policy denying disaster aid to houses of worship, allowing houses of worship to receive crucial aid in times of crisis.
    The Trump administration has taken a stand on behalf of religious liberty in the courts:
        supported students declared ineligible for a scholarship because they attended a religious school;
        supported the Archdiocese of Washington in its effort to buy ads for the holidays on public transportation; and
        supported baker Jack Phillips’s right to operate his bakery in accordance with his religious beliefs.
    In January 2018, the Trump administration took a stand for international religious freedom by placing Pakistan on a “Special Watch List” for severe violations of religious freedom and designated 10 others as countries of particular concern.
    The President declared January 18, 2018 to be Religious Freedom Day to “celebrate the many faiths that make up our country.”

PRIORITIZING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN THE ADMINISTRATION: President Trump has issued new policies to ensure religious freedom is a priority throughout the Federal Government.

    In October 2017, the Department of Justice issued twenty principles of religious liberty to guide the Administration’s litigation strategy to protect religious freedom.
    In January 2018, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced three major policy changes to protect freedom of religion:
        forming a new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division, providing HHS with the focus it needs to more vigorously and effectively enforce existing laws protecting the rights of conscience and religious freedom; and
        proposing to more vigorously enforce 25 existing statutory conscience protections for Americans involved in HHS programs, protecting Americans who have religious or moral convictions related to certain health care services.

PRESERVING THE SANCTITY OF LIFE: President Trump has stopped the attack on pro-life policies, implementing policies to enshrine sanctity of life as an American value.

    Within a week of taking office, President Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy, which protects $9 billion in foreign aid from being used to fund the global abortion industry and its advocates.
    President Trump cut off taxpayer funding for the U.N. Population Fund.
    President Trump signed H.J. Res. 43 into law, overturning a midnight regulation by the Obama Administration, which prohibited States from defunding certain abortion facilities in their Federally funded family planning programs.
    President Trump expressed strong support for the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would have stopped late-term abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy—the point at which science tells us that an unborn child can experience pain.
    President Trump’s Administration issued guidance to enforce the requirement that taxpayer dollars not support abortion coverage in Obamacare exchange plans.
    President Trump rescinded an Obama-era policy that hindered States in their efforts to direct Medicaid funding away from abortion facilities that violate the law or fail to meet relevant standards of care.

BRINGING RELIGIOUS GROUPS BACK INTO THE FOLD: President Trump has made a consistent effort to reach out to religious groups and partners to bring them back into the policy making process.

    On February 2, 2017, just two weeks into his first term in office, President Trump spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast.
    On June 8, 2017, President Trump spoke at the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s Road to Majority Conference.
    On October 13, 2017, President Trump spoke at the Value Voters Summit.
    On January 19, 2018, President Trump became the first President to address the March for Life rally live via satellite.
        Vice President Mike Pence addressed the March for Life in 2017, becoming the first sitting Vice President to do so in person.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-champion-religious-freedom/

[PeteS in CA]

IMPOTUS said, "I have never asked God for forgiveness because I've never done anything wrong."  He is amoral - "Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something."

So what? How is that relevant to Trump's Tweets?

[libertybele]

So what? How is that relevant to Trump's Tweets?

Relevancy doesn't seem to matter.  Trumps accomplishments don't matter.  He has no morals.  He has no goodness in his heart.  It has been determined that he is  unfit to remain sitting in the White House by various groups.

It's ok if the press lies about him, it's ok if the left obstructs everything he does and it's ok if he was impeached without proof of committing high crimes and misdemeanors, yet when he responds; he is the immoral one and labeled as someone who is unconcerned with righteousness.

When you figure this all out, please let me know and kindly explain it to me.  I'm done trying to make sense of all this.

[Chosen Daughter]

I don't judge him as some do as being completely immoral; yes he says some immoral things and is not refined as polished as many would like.  I strongly disagree that he lacks moral sense and is unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something; his actions to me have proved otherwise.  As one small example, if he wasn't concerned for this country and right or wrong he would have kept all the Obama mandates and certainly he would have appointed very liberal justices to the Supreme Court.    Something to consider:

President Trump Has Been a Champion for Religious Freedom

Law & Justice

Issued on: February 8, 2018

   
Faith breathes life and hope into our world. We must diligently guard, preserve, and cherish this unalienable right.

President Donald J. Trump

STANDING UP FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM: In his first year in office, President Trump has taken strong action to restore the foundational link between freedom and faith in the United States of America.

    On May 4, 2017, the President signed an executive order to greatly enhance religious freedom and freedom of speech:
        taking action to ensure that religious institutions may freely exercise their First Amendment right to support and advocate for candidates and causes in line with their values; and
        ensuring that religious Americans and their organizations, such as the Little Sisters of the Poor, would not be forced to choose between violating their religious beliefs by complying with Obamacare’s contraceptive mandate or shutting their doors.
    The President has announced a reversal of the Obama administration’s policy denying disaster aid to houses of worship, allowing houses of worship to receive crucial aid in times of crisis.
    The Trump administration has taken a stand on behalf of religious liberty in the courts:
        supported students declared ineligible for a scholarship because they attended a religious school;
        supported the Archdiocese of Washington in its effort to buy ads for the holidays on public transportation; and
        supported baker Jack Phillips’s right to operate his bakery in accordance with his religious beliefs.
    In January 2018, the Trump administration took a stand for international religious freedom by placing Pakistan on a “Special Watch List” for severe violations of religious freedom and designated 10 others as countries of particular concern.
    The President declared January 18, 2018 to be Religious Freedom Day to “celebrate the many faiths that make up our country.”

PRIORITIZING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN THE ADMINISTRATION: President Trump has issued new policies to ensure religious freedom is a priority throughout the Federal Government.

    In October 2017, the Department of Justice issued twenty principles of religious liberty to guide the Administration’s litigation strategy to protect religious freedom.
    In January 2018, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced three major policy changes to protect freedom of religion:
        forming a new Conscience and Religious Freedom Division, providing HHS with the focus it needs to more vigorously and effectively enforce existing laws protecting the rights of conscience and religious freedom; and
        proposing to more vigorously enforce 25 existing statutory conscience protections for Americans involved in HHS programs, protecting Americans who have religious or moral convictions related to certain health care services.

PRESERVING THE SANCTITY OF LIFE: President Trump has stopped the attack on pro-life policies, implementing policies to enshrine sanctity of life as an American value.

    Within a week of taking office, President Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy, which protects $9 billion in foreign aid from being used to fund the global abortion industry and its advocates.
    President Trump cut off taxpayer funding for the U.N. Population Fund.
    President Trump signed H.J. Res. 43 into law, overturning a midnight regulation by the Obama Administration, which prohibited States from defunding certain abortion facilities in their Federally funded family planning programs.
    President Trump expressed strong support for the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would have stopped late-term abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy—the point at which science tells us that an unborn child can experience pain.
    President Trump’s Administration issued guidance to enforce the requirement that taxpayer dollars not support abortion coverage in Obamacare exchange plans.
    President Trump rescinded an Obama-era policy that hindered States in their efforts to direct Medicaid funding away from abortion facilities that violate the law or fail to meet relevant standards of care.

BRINGING RELIGIOUS GROUPS BACK INTO THE FOLD: President Trump has made a consistent effort to reach out to religious groups and partners to bring them back into the policy making process.

    On February 2, 2017, just two weeks into his first term in office, President Trump spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast.
    On June 8, 2017, President Trump spoke at the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s Road to Majority Conference.
    On October 13, 2017, President Trump spoke at the Value Voters Summit.
    On January 19, 2018, President Trump became the first President to address the March for Life rally live via satellite.
        Vice President Mike Pence addressed the March for Life in 2017, becoming the first sitting Vice President to do so in person.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-trump-champion-religious-freedom/

He is not a champion of religious freedom.  He is a champion of political church.  Removing the Johnson Amendment turns churches into lobbyists for political campaigns.  It allows politicians to bilk taxpayers of their Tithes by giving it to political campaigns without their consent.  It divides the church.  The Bible is the guiding Word to who a person should vote for.  A Christians conscious drives them to vote according to principles set in the Bible.  And just like how the church has turned into Trump idol worship many Americans are forced to leave their churches if they don't agree with its politics.  Of course they are free to do that.  But how many realize that the EO allows your church to give your money to political campaigns?

And it is an EO.  Any new president can do away with it. 

The law says: "Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jul/18/donald-trump/trump-claims-he-got-rid-johnson-amendment-true/

All Trump has done is nothing different than Hitler did in Germany.  He opened the path to have political control over the church.  Most of the Evangelical church is now a mouthpiece for President Trump.  That is the sound of a dying church.

Did you also know that Trump is an global advocate for LGBT?

US urges 69 nations, including Iran, to decriminalize homosexuality
Grenell, the most senior openly gay member of the Trump administration, launched the unprecedented international campaign in February to decriminalize homosexuality across the world.
By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL   DECEMBER 21, 2019 17:22

US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell and American Ambassador to the United Nations Kelly Craft used the UN bully pulpit on Wednesday to call on 69 nations, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Algeria, to stop their criminalization of homosexuality.

Grenell, the most senior openly gay member of the Trump administration, launched the unprecedented international campaign in February to decriminalize homosexuality across the world.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/US-urges-69-nations-including-Iran-Yemen-decriminalize-homosexuality-611618

I of course do not wish to see gays executed but many of these countries also execute Christians and anyone who denies Islam.  So we are putting homosexuality as a priority over religious freedom.  And how far are we going to push homosexuality?  We can see what it has done for this country.

[PeteS in CA]

Relevancy doesn't seem to matter.  Trumps accomplishments don't matter.  He has no morals.  He has no goodness in his heart.  It has been determined that he is  unfit to remain sitting in the White House by various groups.

It's ok if the press lies about him, it's ok if the left obstructs everything he does and it's ok if he was impeached without proof of committing high crimes and misdemeanors, yet when he responds; he is the immoral one and labeled as someone who is unconcerned with righteousness.

When you figure this all out, please let me know and kindly explain it to me.  I'm done trying to make sense of all this.

I hates Trumpses, Precious, I hates them! Ssss! Ssss!

[Chosen Daughter]

Here is a great example of the Trump church.  This is Bethel Redding.  A huge church that practically controls Redding California and is tied to the Global World with connections to probably nearly 90% of the Evangelical Church in the United States.

Bethel Church: God is Not in the Mood for Trump’s Impeachment

By Annelise Pierce December 20, 2019

A few days ago I read an article titled God is Angry and Will Put an End to Impeachment about a recent Bethel Church sermon. Since the article was posted by Right Wing Watch, not exactly the most unbiased news source, I read it with a grain of salt. I then went to the source, clicking on the link to listen to Pastor Kris Vallotton’s sermon for myself.

I listened at double speed because I know from experience that Kris’s sermons are mostly comprised of personal anecdotes coupled with “get ‘er done” and, “are you getting this?” — two of his favorite sayings. I wasn’t wrong about the anecdotes, though disappointingly there was no “get ‘er done”. There was a whole lot of skipping from Bible passage to Bible passage, prefaced by the statement that while Pastor Kris’s sermons are all prophetic (meaning that they offer supernatural insight into the future or the unknown) this one is significantly more prophetic than usual. In fact, he tells us, it’s the direct word of God to us, a message he was instructed to give.

It was approximately 45 minutes long, but fortunately I’m slightly more direct than Kris is, so I can give you the message a whole lot more quickly and in bullet points:

We are in a sovereign moment in time when we are to follow God unquestioningly.
Do not go against God in the sovereign times (some people died when they did so).
God says that every tongue that accuses Trump will be condemned.
God will step into the impeachment process and bring it to a close.
God will give Trump another term.
Don’t resist God’s will in this or he will be angry (some people died when they did so).

While these bullet points may appear political, Kris was quick to preface some of his most partisan statements with the words, “This is not about politics.”

“This is not about Republicans or Democrats . . it’s time to step up and have our loyalty to the Kingdom. If you have a political spirit you will miss this . . . moment.”

Meaning, I infer, that if your politics differ from the ones espoused in this sermon you have a political spirit, are disloyal to God’s Kingdom, and have missed God’s moment. And remember now, this isn’t Mr. Vallotton’s message, this is God’s message.

“You don’t want to be the one resisting a movement,” Kris said, sounding as if he was about to cry with the intensity of his words. “When a dad gets angry, a good dad, you don’t want that. There is something about finding the mood of God and adjusting for it.” My children know what I mean, he said, sounding both apologetic and ominous...…………

https://anewscafe.com/2019/12/20/redding/bethel-church-god-is-not-in-the-mood-for-trumps-impeachment/

Gag me!  This is idol worship!!!!!  And they might as well put the Trump Logo above their church.  Trump did keep the Hitler book on his nightstand for reading.

[libertybele]

He is not a champion of religious freedom.  He is a champion of political church.  Removing the Johnson Amendment turns churches into lobbyists for political campaigns.  It allows politicians to bilk taxpayers of their Tithes by giving it to political campaigns without their consent.  It divides the church.  The Bible is the guiding Word to who a person should vote for.  A Christians conscious drives them to vote according to principles set in the Bible.  And just like how the church has turned into Trump idol worship many Americans are forced to leave their churches if they don't agree with its politics.  Of course they are free to do that.  But how many realize that the EO allows your church to give your money to political campaigns?

And it is an EO.  Any new president can do away with it. 

The law says: "Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jul/18/donald-trump/trump-claims-he-got-rid-johnson-amendment-true/

All Trump has done is nothing different than Hitler did in Germany.  He opened the path to have political control over the church.  Most of the Evangelical church is now a mouthpiece for President Trump.  That is the sound of a dying church.

Did you also know that Trump is an global advocate for LGBT?

US urges 69 nations, including Iran, to decriminalize homosexuality
Grenell, the most senior openly gay member of the Trump administration, launched the unprecedented international campaign in February to decriminalize homosexuality across the world.
By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL   DECEMBER 21, 2019 17:22

US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell and American Ambassador to the United Nations Kelly Craft used the UN bully pulpit on Wednesday to call on 69 nations, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Algeria, to stop their criminalization of homosexuality.

Grenell, the most senior openly gay member of the Trump administration, launched the unprecedented international campaign in February to decriminalize homosexuality across the world.

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/US-urges-69-nations-including-Iran-Yemen-decriminalize-homosexuality-611618

I of course do not wish to see gays executed but many of these countries also execute Christians and anyone who denies Islam.  So we are putting homosexuality as a priority over religious freedom.  And how far are we going to push homosexuality?  We can see what it has done for this country.

His stance on not executing members of the LGBT group should be applauded not scorned.  He wasn't in office when same sex marriage and the rest of the gay crap was voted on by SCOTUS.  You can't place that push on him.  I don't see him as promoting homosexuality, only advocating to countries to refrain from their execution.  No different than advocating to other countries to abstain from genital mutilation, ethnic cleansing, etc.  IMHO, with that in mind, he would do this country a tremendous service to pull us completely out of the U.N.; a good move on behalf of this country -- the leftists would never allow it.  Yes that is more of a political move rather than religious; but that is his role in our country.  He is a president, he is not a pastor.

You see him as an advocate for political church, I see him as an advocate for religious freedom and right to life.  (I'm waiting though for the shoe to drop against him when those that worship Sharia demand their religious freedom.) 

There are several issues that you and I are passionate about -- we share some similarities and also some difference on those same issues.  I don't consider myself a Trump lover and have never proclaimed that he should be given a free pass, but I also see much hatred and disparity in his treatment though coming from members of his own party and certainly from the left.  I still maintain that he has much more morality and has done much more for religious freedom than anyone in line vying for the Presidency. 

As I've stated before; we have to made decisions based on the hand that we've been dealt.  Not on what we want to happen, or think should happen as quite frankly, that doesn't do anyone any good unless you are willing to step up and actively select, support and push another candidate to run against Trump.  Most of us don't have that kind of money nor the power needed.

[XenaLee]

IMPOTUS said, "I have never asked God for forgiveness because I've never done anything wrong."  He is amoral - "Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something."

First of all... that's not what he said.   More leftist propaganda and lies.  Hell, even CNN got the quote correct ...

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

Secondly... it's really not very Christian to judge someone else's "Christianity"... now, is it.  That's up to God.   Certainly not up to hyper-partisan Trump haters.

Thirdly....  Trump is in direct opposition to the godless heathen anti-Christian, one world order open borders globalist, pro-abortion, pro-same sex marriage leftists..... so guess what.   I'll stand with him and support him in that endeavor (to defeat them) every damned time.

[PeteS in CA]

First of all... that's not what he said.   More leftist propaganda and lies.  Hell, even CNN got the quote correct ...
...

@Victoria33 didn't include a link. Was the fake-quote her original? Or from some Hate-Trumper like George Conway (who seems to have coined the childish pejorative "IMPOTUS")?

[libertybele]

First of all... that's not what he said.   More leftist propaganda and lies.  Hell, even CNN got the quote correct ...

Secondly... it's really not very Christian to judge someone else's "Christianity"... now, is it.  That's up to God.   Certainly not up to hyper-partisan Trump haters.

Thirdly....  Trump is in direct opposition to the godless heathen anti-Christian, one world order open borders globalist, pro-abortion, pro-same sex marriage leftists..... so guess what.   I'll stand with him and support him in that endeavor (to defeat them) every damned time.

   Very well stated.

[dfwgator]

IMPOTUS said, "I have never asked God for forgiveness because I've never done anything wrong."  He is amoral - "Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something."

So?  At least Trump is no Pharisee, like Jimmy Carter is.

[XenaLee]

@Victoria33 didn't include a link. Was the fake-quote her original? Or from some Hate-Trumper like George Conway (who seems to have coined the childish pejorative "IMPOTUS")?

Dunno.  Misquoting Trump is a favorite past-time of Trump-hating leftists.  That much I do know.

Trump also said that he figures (or assumes?) that taking communion is maybe a form of asking for forgiveness.   I wonder how many of these "so-called" Christians that bash Trump take communion  like he does.   

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"

One thing's for sure, at least in my mind and belief.   God is using Trump against the anti-Christian, anti-God left in the world (not just in this country).   And I am all FOR anything that God does in that respect.   Can't imagine any real Christian OR any patriotic American not feeling the same.   

[Chosen Daughter]

His stance on not executing members of the LGBT group should be applauded not scorned.  He wasn't in office when same sex marriage and the rest of the gay crap was voted on by SCOTUS.  You can't place that push on him.  I don't see him as promoting homosexuality, only advocating to countries to refrain from their execution.  No different than advocating to other countries to abstain from genital mutilation, ethnic cleansing, etc.  IMHO, with that in mind, he would do this country a tremendous service to pull us completely out of the U.N.; a good move on behalf of this country -- the leftists would never allow it.  Yes that is more of a political move rather than religious; but that is his role in our country.  He is a president, he is not a pastor.

You see him as an advocate for political church, I see him as an advocate for religious freedom and right to life.  (I'm waiting though for the shoe to drop against him when those that worship Sharia demand their religious freedom.) 

There are several issues that you and I are passionate about -- we share some similarities and also some difference on those same issues.  I don't consider myself a Trump lover and have never proclaimed that he should be given a free pass, but I also see much hatred and disparity in his treatment though coming from members of his own party and certainly from the left.  I still maintain that he has much more morality and has done much more for religious freedom than anyone in line vying for the Presidency. 

As I've stated before; we have to made decisions based on the hand that we've been dealt.  Not on what we want to happen, or think should happen as quite frankly, that doesn't do anyone any good unless you are willing to step up and actively select, support and push another candidate to run against Trump.  Most of us don't have that kind of money nor the power needed.

Oh, exactly what about Sharia Law?  And I think you were the one that brought up the fact that the church (political church) were the ones funding and helping the invasion last summer of illegal immigrants into this country. 

I said in my post that I don't want to see people executed for homosexuality.  I don't want to see them executed for having a Bible either.  Or witnessing to Jews or Muslims.  In these countries when you start advocating for LGBTQ you are advocating for exactly what has happened here.  Trump is partnering with LGBT on this and they are the ones who have ruined this country.  Why we have to have undressed people parading in the streets saying its their right to solicit sex openly and in the view of little children.  It isn't about the freedom to choose what sex you have in the bedroom. 

These countries he is talking about are ruled by Sharia Law.  So to single out homosexuality is to say its OK, though to execute Christians.

I guess you missed how Trump lumped Christians together right here with LGBT rights also?

[libertybele]

Oh, exactly what about Sharia Law?  And I think you were the one that brought up the fact that the church (political church) were the ones funding and helping the invasion last summer of illegal immigrants into this country. 

I said in my post that I don't want to see people executed for homosexuality.  I don't want to see them executed for having a Bible either.  Or witnessing to Jews or Muslims.  In these countries when you start advocating for LGBTQ you are advocating for exactly what has happened here.  Trump is partnering with LGBT on this and they are the ones who have ruined this country.  Why we have to have undressed people parading in the streets saying its their right to solicit sex openly and in the view of little children.  It isn't about the freedom to choose what sex you have in the bedroom. 

These countries he is talking about are ruled by Sharia Law.  So to single out homosexuality is to say its OK, though to execute Christians.

I guess you missed how Trump lumped Christians together right here with LGBT rights also?

Big difference between trying to stop the execution of members of the LGBT group and saying you approve of their behavior.

I don't ever remember Trump approving of people dancing naked in the streets, and saying its ok to solicit sex in front of children.  Because he doesn't want to see a group of people executed, all of a sudden he is to blame for all of their actions? 

I have never heard Trump say its ok to execute Christians; quite the opposite. 

Your posts come across full of hatred for Trump @Chosen Daughter.  You have every right to post whatever you want and to voice your opinions.

The attack on religious freedom and Christianity has been going on since the beginning.  I don't see Trump promoting that assault; rather he's trying to curtail it.  You see all of his actions as immoral and purely politically motivated.  I don't.

[truth_seeker]

Nice to see @Chosen Daughter likening Trump to Hitler, in spite of many previous attempt by #nevertrumpers like her to do so with little/no cnsequence.

Site-owner and mods ought to deal with the Hitler thing, which is NOT a bug with this site, but IS a feature.

[Chosen Daughter]

Big difference between trying to stop the execution of members of the LGBT group and saying you approve of their behavior.

I don't ever remember Trump approving of people dancing naked in the streets, and saying its ok to solicit sex in front of children.  Because he doesn't want to see a group of people executed, all of a sudden he is to blame for all of their actions? 

I have never heard Trump say its ok to execute Christians; quite the opposite. 

Your posts come across full of hatred for Trump @Chosen Daughter.  You have every right to post whatever you want and to voice your opinions.

The attack on religious freedom and Christianity has been going on since the beginning.  I don't see Trump promoting that assault; rather he's trying to curtail it.  You see all of his actions as immoral and purely politically motivated.  I don't.

It is simple.  The thread is about what Trump has done for religious liberty.  He is promoting in Sharia Law countries for them to change their laws to accommodate homosexuality.  In those same countries Christians are being executed and imprisoned for their faith.

[Chosen Daughter]

Nice to see @Chosen Daughter likening Trump to Hitler, in spite of many previous attempt by #nevertrumpers like her to do so with little/no cnsequence.

Site-owner and mods ought to deal with the Hitler thing, which is NOT a bug with this site, but IS a feature.

Historical facts.  And Trumps ex did say he kept the book for night reading.

What is also very telling is that praising Putin on this site is totally acceptable even though he is bombing civilians in Syria.  Even though he has kind words for Trump and must be a great guy.

[skeeter]

Nice to see @Chosen Daughter likening Trump to Hitler, in spite of many previous attempt by #nevertrumpers like her to do so with little/no cnsequence.

Site-owner and mods ought to deal with the Hitler thing, which is NOT a bug with this site, but IS a feature.

Its possible to become so predictable with one’s posts that they become unreadable. Her’s are a fine example, even evoking Hitler can’t make them more interesting.

[libertybele]

It is simple.  The thread is about what Trump has done for religious liberty.  He is promoting in Sharia Law countries for them to change their laws to accommodate homosexuality.  In those same countries Christians are being executed and imprisoned for their faith.

If only he had the power to pass legislation in other countries to stop the persecution of Christians.  He does not, nor do any of the 535 members of Congress.  Nor can he pass legislation over their to stop the persecution of homosexuals.  Again, he is not promoting homosexuality but trying to preserve life.   

Perhaps write him an e-mail or call to voice concern; along with asking those countries to stop murdering homosexuals to stop the persecution of Christians as well.  My hunch is that they will continue regardless of what Trump asks; they've been doing so since the beginning.

[truth_seeker]

Its possible to become so predictable with one’s posts that they become unreadable. Her’s are a fine example, even evoking Hitler can’t make them more interesting.

Much to the diminishment, of the site's interest.

On the day-to-day basis, the #nevertrump message, bears close rewemblance to the democrat  message.

Witness, Flake, Kristol, Sinkspur, etc.

Today it is a flakey "Christian" magazine.

 

[libertybele]

Historical facts.  And Trumps ex did say he kept the book for night reading.

What is also very telling is that praising Putin on this site is totally acceptable even though he is bombing civilians in Syria.  Even though he has kind words for Trump and must be a great guy.

Come on @Chosen Daughter who is praising Putin??  I think Putin and Trump have mutual respect for each other -- I don't think they are what you and I would call friends, but close enemies that keep an eye on each other.