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If only he had the power to pass legislation in other countries to stop the persecution of Christians.  He does not, nor do any of the 535 members of Congress.  Nor can he pass legislation over their to stop the persecution of homosexuals.  Again, he is not promoting homosexuality but trying to preserve life.   

Perhaps write him an e-mail or call to voice concern; along with asking those countries to stop murdering homosexuals to stop the persecution of Christians as well.  My hunch is that they will continue regardless of what Trump asks; they've been doing so since the beginning.

Promoting Human rights for LGBT is also nothing new.  https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2017/10/02/death-penalty-for-same-sex-relations-denounced-by-united-nations/#261e390c2b77

Apparently in 2017 we voted against it.  But we are becoming more progressive now.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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   You paint with a Broad Brush @truth_seeker

   The few remaining #Never's here can not be characterized by the likes of Kristol, Flake and/or a member that's been gone since the election: @sinkspur

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Come on @Chosen Daughter who is praising Putin??  I think Putin and Trump have mutual respect for each other -- I don't think they are what you and I would call friends, but close enemies that keep an eye on each other.

Come on to you.  Trump is friends with anyone who says nice things that he likes.  He hasn't hid it ever.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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   You paint with a Broad Brush @truth_seeker

   The few remaining #Never's here can not be characterized by the likes of Kristol, Flake and/or a member that's been gone since the election: @sinkspur

   Yes, the hitler remark earlier was unfortunate, I don't believe it is a policy of this site to allow that.


    Put your big boy panties on and try again to smear 'Real' Conservatives here and TBR.

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Come on to you.  Trump is friends with anyone who says nice things that he likes.  He hasn't hid it ever.

Took your Trump hate booster pill tonight I see.  You are an addict.
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It's ok if the press lies about him, it's ok if the left obstructs everything he does and it's ok if he was impeached without proof of committing high crimes and misdemeanors, yet when he responds; he is the immoral one and labeled as someone who is unconcerned with righteousness.

No, it is not alright.
But neither is it cause to defend him, nor is it cause to overlook his warts and vote for him in some misguided retribution against the Rats.

All of that is incidental to the fact of his poor character, and changes nothing.

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#nevertrump Briefers, can find a video about their latest hero, Galli, at CNN.

He's Pelosi's and Sinkspur's biggest star, this weekend.




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No surprise.  Doesn't make him liberal.  Just means that they love it when Trumps warts are revealed.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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No, it is not alright.
But neither is it cause to defend him, nor is it cause to overlook his warts and vote for him in some misguided retribution against the Rats.

All of that is incidental to the fact of his poor character, and changes nothing.

Considering just the fact ...that compared to all the others that are running for president next year, Trump's warts are mere minescule specs...

and considering the fact that his track record for the past three years has been to help America, not destroy it....then...

HELL YES, it is cause to vote for him, as things stand currently.   Big damned cause!   And I posit that most Americans will vote accordingly next year because they see it the way I do.   Especially if/when the rats keep sinking their own torpedo sub.

So gird your loins!!!   You've got eleven months to prepare.  :silly:
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No, it is not alright.
But neither is it cause to defend him, nor is it cause to overlook his warts and vote for him in some misguided retribution against the Rats.

All of that is incidental to the fact of his poor character, and changes nothing.

Simply pointing out the absurdity of some in here to attack Trump when he's defending himself.

Nope, not overlooking his faults (and we all have faults) and certainly would never proclaim he is perfect.

Yes at times he is of poor character.  So Biden? Buttgig?  Warren?  No thanks.  No one has stepped up who is any better than Trump.  Anyone running 3rd party or considering a run needs to qualify and get onto the ballot in all 50 states -- not going to happen at this late juncture.

Gee, I don't know voting for him in order to stop the Rats from heading us into full blown socialism is a valid reason to me.  As long as I continue to see that he is taking this country in a more conservative and positive direction, he will get my vote.
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Considering just the fact ...that compared to all the others that are running for president next year, Trump's warts are mere minescule specs...

MEH. Building a low bar is a poor argument. I don't care what 'the other guy' is. I am not voting for the other guy. I care about what I am going to vote *FOR*.

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and considering the fact that his track record for the past three years has been to help America, not destroy it....then...

I see very little of that. And frankly, it doesn't matter to me. Mussolini made the trains run on time.
I care about Conservative principles, and the application thereof. And in that, he is bereft. And in that, fixing nothing.

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So gird your loins!!!   You've got eleven months to prepare.  :silly:

For what? I have no dog in this hunt.

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Gee, I don't know voting for him in order to stop the Rats from heading us into full blown socialism is a valid reason to me.  As long as I continue to see that he is taking this country in a more conservative and positive direction, he will get my vote.

And there it is. The lesser evil wins again. To triumphant acclaim.  **nononono* :whistle:

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And there it is. The lesser evil wins again. To triumphant acclaim.  **nononono* :whistle:

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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And there it is. The lesser evil wins again. To triumphant acclaim.  **nononono* :whistle:

Yes, there it is.  I'm waiting for that round of applause. Ok ... so what do you suggest @roamer_1 ?  Abstain from voting which is basically doing nothing in my books.  I've considered just voting down ballot but that certainly won't stop the left from being seated in the oval office.

Yes, it would be absolutely wonderful if we had a candidate that had a higher moral compass than Trump and is a conservative.  But the reality of the matter is, that person hasn't come forward. In fact, no one has come forward to challenge Trump.  So ... again ... I'm asking what do you suggest?
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Yes, there it is.  I'm waiting for that round of applause. Ok ... so what do you suggest @roamer_1 ?  Abstain from voting which is basically doing nothing in my books.  I've considered just voting down ballot but that certainly won't stop the left from being seated in the oval office.

Yes, it would be absolutely wonderful if we had a candidate that had a higher moral compass than Trump and is a conservative.  But the reality of the matter is, that person hasn't come forward. In fact, no one has come forward to challenge Trump.  So ... again ... I'm asking what do you suggest?

No, that kind of person WON'T come forward BECAUSE of the insistence of the Republican electorate *FOR* the lesser evil. Sooner or later y'all have to stop doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Maybe start insisting on character driven statesmen, steeped in Conservative thought and action instead.

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Yes, there it is.  I'm waiting for that round of applause. Ok ... so what do you suggest @roamer_1 ?  Abstain from voting which is basically doing nothing in my books.  I've considered just voting down ballot but that certainly won't stop the left from being seated in the oval office.

Yes, it would be absolutely wonderful if we had a candidate that had a higher moral compass than Trump and is a conservative.  But the reality of the matter is, that person hasn't come forward. In fact, no one has come forward to challenge Trump.  So ... again ... I'm asking what do you suggest?
Sure seems like a lot of real bi___ting going on pointing out deficiencies rather than positive attributes.

We ALL have deficiencies.

Here's an idea: why don't you pray for him to overcome those deficiencies?

I prefer keeping his good traits and working on improving the others.

C'mon @Chosen Daughter , you seem to have it in you.
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@libertybele

Understand me: You are one of my favorite people. I have no doubt as to your Conservatism, as I have stood with you over and over in many Conservative battles...

This is about the argument, not about !YOU!

@XenaLee too.

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No, that kind of person WON'T come forward BECAUSE of the insistence of the Republican electorate *FOR* the lesser evil. Sooner or later y'all have to stop doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Maybe start insisting on character driven statesmen, steeped in Conservative thought and action instead.

Um.... with all due respect here.... we can "insist" until the pigs fly and the cows come home.   The reality is.... unless ""character driven statesmen"" actually run for GOP office....and have what it takes to run and campaign for president.....(and in this current toxic political climate, that's a helluva lot more than merely being statesmanlike)...

that is not a valid or realistic plan.  JS...

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Um.... with all due respect here.... we can "insist" until the pigs fly and the cows come home.   The reality is.... unless ""character driven statesmen"" actually run for GOP office....and have what it takes to run and campaign for president.....(and in this current toxic political climate, that's a helluva lot more than merely being statesmanlike)...

that is not a valid or realistic plan.  JS...

Why would they run without the hue and cry? How can they win when lesser evil is considered good, or at least good enough??

This is Bush II all over again. Just wait till he no longer needs to bow and scrape for votes.

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@libertybele

Understand me: You are one of my favorite people. I have no doubt as to your Conservatism, as I have stood with you over and over in many Conservative battles...

This is about the argument, not about !YOU!

@XenaLee too.

I feel the same.  I have no doubt about @libertybele Conservatism.  I understand her argument but don't agree with it.
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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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No, that kind of person WON'T come forward BECAUSE of the insistence of the Republican electorate *FOR* the lesser evil. Sooner or later y'all have to stop doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Maybe start insisting on character driven statesmen, steeped in Conservative thought and action instead.

Wrong.  The electorate isn't insisting on a lesser evil. It is very unfortunate that more conservative candidates haven't come forward and in some cases when conservatives do come forward, they aren't supported by congressional leaders in order.  Those seats are reserved for the incumbents to keep the country club alive. That situation is out of our control.  All I can do is select the candidates that are on the ballot.  I spent several election cycles working to promote candidates that I felt were better  --- well, they didn't make it.  I also refused to vote one election cycle for the lesser of the two evils and voted 3rd party, well, the more evil of the two won, so, that obviously didn't work out.

No, I am certainly not expecting a different result; as the RINO's in the Senate still exist.  Demographics are changing. Pelosi and Schumer aren't going to change and certainly their base feels that Clinton lost unfairly.

Again, I am making a decision based on the hand that we've been dealt. 

By the way, you never replied as to your suggestion as to what you think can be done.  I see the choices as refrain from voting and do nothing.  Vote down ballot only.  Vote Dem.  If you see some other choice, let me know.
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@libertybele

Understand me: You are one of my favorite people. I have no doubt as to your Conservatism, as I have stood with you over and over in many Conservative battles...

This is about the argument, not about !YOU!

@XenaLee too.

 :beer:   I fully understand your point of view in this argument and one that I many times argued.  But as I mentioned I tried not voting for the lesser of the two evils and the more evil won out, so that didn't work.  I also worked several election cycles promoting what I thought were good solid, moral conservatives.  They didn't win.  Certainly very little has changed in Congress; many of the same do-nothing faces. 

With that being stated ... I'm making a decision and selecting the best candidate who is running that I feel will take this country in a more positive direction.    I'm not as young as I used to be to hit the pavement and knock on doors, walk the gun shows passing out literature or attending conservative groups and promoting a non-RINO candidate.  I also refuse to throw my money away anymore on any political candidate.  All of those efforts were for naught.

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Wrong.  The electorate isn't insisting on a lesser evil. It is very unfortunate that more conservative candidates haven't come forward and in some cases when conservatives do come forward, they aren't supported by congressional leaders in order.  Those seats are reserved for the incumbents to keep the country club alive. That situation is out of our control.  All I can do is select the candidates that are on the ballot.  I spent several election cycles working to promote candidates that I felt were better  --- well, they didn't make it.  I also refused to vote one election cycle for the lesser of the two evils and voted 3rd party, well, the more evil of the two won, so, that obviously didn't work out.

 

Good people simply don't want to get involved in the sewer that's known as politics in this country.  That's why I give Trump credit.  He didn't need this,  he had the ultimate kick-ass life,     and in the 80s, everybody loved him, especially black people.   He gave all that up, to become the ultimate lightning rod.   I know I wouldn't do it, if I were in his position.

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Good people simply don't want to get involved in the sewer that's known as politics in this country.  That's why I give Trump credit.  He didn't need this,  he had the ultimate kick-ass life,     and in the 80s, everybody loved him, especially black people.   He gave all that up, to become the ultimate lightning rod.   I know I wouldn't do it, if I were in his position.

Everybody loved him right up until the presidential election. In fact the rats loved him during the campaign because they thought because Trump is Trump Hillary would be a sho-in.