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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2018, 06:07:54 pm »
If it's this easy to manipulate the American people, well then, we are well and truly screwed.

Uh... yeah.  We are.  It's just a question of to what degree.  Meanwhile.... the infestationinvasion continues unabated.

I say stop ALL immigration until this current wave of illegals is halted.  If that sounds harsh, so be it.  We're under assault here.... from without AND from within.
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2018, 06:09:07 pm »
@mystery-ak

They need to stop using that child to make political points.  It's disgusting.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2018, 06:12:55 pm »
Uh... yeah.  We are.  It's just a question of to what degree.  Meanwhile.... the infestationinvasion continues unabated.

I say stop ALL immigration until this current wave of illegals is halted.  If that sounds harsh, so be it.  We're under assault here.... from without AND from within.

I have been saying for over a week that the Repubs answers to this *crisis* was too late and weak. The Dems never let a *crisis* go to waste and took control of this issue and seem to be winning...
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2018, 06:14:43 pm »
I have been saying for over a week that the Repubs answers to this *crisis* was too late and weak. The Dems never let a *crisis* go to waste and took control of this issue and seem to be winning...

The Republicans come off again and as usual as inept.  Question is.... is that by accident....

or is it deliberate?  I posit it's the latter.

They are complicit.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2018, 06:15:32 pm »
The Republicans come off again and as usual as inept.  Question is.... is that by accident....

or is it deliberate?  I posit it's the latter.

They are complicit.


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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2018, 06:16:13 pm »
@mystery-ak

They need to stop using that child to make political points.  It's disgusting.

@CatherineofAragon both sides need to stop.  But they won't because as we've seen in the last 24+ hours it's only an outrage when it's NOT your particular political party exploiting the child.
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2018, 06:16:25 pm »


Time cover

Lessee - a photoshopped image promoting a media manufactured untruth propagated for leftwing political advantage.

The cover is more of an indictment of the modern American MSM than it is of Trump.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2018, 06:19:59 pm »
@CatherineofAragon both sides need to stop.  But they won't because as we've seen in the last 24+ hours it's only an outrage when it's NOT your particular political party exploiting the child.

You do the truth an injustice when you claim an equivalence between the two sides.

There is no equivalence. The American left is breaking new ground here.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2018, 06:29:19 pm »
You do the truth an injustice when you claim an equivalence between the two sides.

There is no equivalence. The American left is breaking new ground here.

@skeeter
Absolutely on point.   American gives more charity BY FAR then any other country.  Encouraging people with small children to risk their lives is horrific but the left and some 'conservatives' are ok with it.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2018, 06:34:30 pm »
@driftdiver
Then what you said makes even less sense.

I just don't see the point of misrepresenting what people say.  It doesn't advance the discussion.

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Thats why I don't do it, and I wish you would stop.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2018, 06:37:14 pm »
@CatherineofAragon both sides need to stop.  But they won't because as we've seen in the last 24+ hours it's only an outrage when it's NOT your particular political party exploiting the child.

Ok... please clear up my confusion here.  How, exactly, is the GOP exploiting the child?
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2018, 06:39:50 pm »
Ok... please clear up my confusion here.  How, exactly, is the GOP exploiting the child?

Because Trump

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Trump said a bad word on twitter
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2018, 06:43:45 pm »
@Jazzhead   Sometimes you're right.  This is one of those times.

Thanks, @Emjay . And it's a lot more than sometimes.  :cool:  (wink)
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2018, 06:45:03 pm »


Time cover

"Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family".

Time makes it look like Trump is villain,which is what the left wanted to do all along.
Unfortunately, his signature issue, the border and the wall,  the one that got him elected, has just been made a prime example of the law of unintended consequences.

President Trump is saying we still must have a wall, and that zero tolerance is not going away.
he may say this, and he may actually believe it, but words (and EO's) indeed, have consequences.

here we go....

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-administration-will-stop-prosecuting-migrant-parents-who-cross-the-border-illegally-with-children-official-says/ar-AAyYaHZ

"The U.S. Border Patrol will no longer refer migrant parents who cross into the United States illegally with children to federal courthouses to face criminal charges, a senior U.S. Customs and Border Protection official told The Washington Post on Thursday.

The about-face comes just one day after President Trump signed an executive order ending his administration’s widely denounced practice of separating parents and children apprehended for illegally crossing the Mexico border. Trump’s order said the government would maintain a “zero tolerance” policy toward those who break the law, but the senior U.S. official, asked to explain how the government would change enforcement practices, said Border Patrol agents were instructed Wednesday evening to stop sending parents with children to federal courthouses for prosecution."


and....

“We’re suspending prosecutions of adults who are members of family units until ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) can accelerate resource capability to allow us to maintain custody,” the official said.


followed by....

"Because ICE lacks the detention capacity to increase the number of families it holds in detention, the official acknowledged that many migrant parents and children will likely be released from custody while they await court hearings.

Top CBP officials did not know what the executive order would ask them to do until its release Wednesday, the official said. The decision to cease prosecutions of parents with children was made by the Department of Homeland Security for logistical purposes because the official said it would not be “feasible” to bring children to federal courtrooms while their parents go before a judge."


It may not be a cave, but the MSM and the left are doing victory laps today.

I have to admit, I had been skeptical of this whole wall idea.
Frankly, because Trump landed on many sides of this issue throughout his campaign, and now in his Presidency.

He is still saying zero tolerance and a wall.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Call a cave or a stroke of genius.
Call it whatever you want, but I can tell you that my own first and current reactions are not  positive ones.
This is a step backwards, my gut tells me.
I hope it is one we can recover from.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2018, 06:46:20 pm by GrouchoTex »

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2018, 06:49:12 pm »
Ok... please clear up my confusion here.  How, exactly, is the GOP exploiting the child?


Trump admin officials openly said the family separation would act as a deterrent.  When it didn’t go as planned as a political and PR move, the EO was signed.  What else would you call it?
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2018, 06:50:27 pm »

Trump admin officials openly said the family separation would act as a deterrent.  When it didn’t go as planned as a political and PR move, the EO was signed.  What else would you call it?

It didn't go as planned because the media found a way through the usual deception to manipulate a gullible public.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2018, 06:55:41 pm »
It didn't go as planned because the media found a way through the usual deception to manipulate a gullible public.


Would that gullible public include his wife, daughter, and Homeland Security Secretary? After all, we’re hearing they pushed him to change his mind on the EO.
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2018, 07:01:03 pm »
If it's this easy to manipulate the American people, well then, we are well and truly screwed.

@dfwgator   It ain't easy, but it's possible.  They'd tried everything and people were 'ho hum' but show them a crying child and instincts kick in.
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2018, 07:02:42 pm »


Time cover

Suddenly, I feel like a shower.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2018, 07:04:47 pm »

Trump admin officials openly said the family separation would act as a deterrent.  When it didn’t go as planned as a political and PR move, the EO was signed.  What else would you call it?

Well... since they were only following THE LAW.... I would call it compliance with THE LAW.

And THE LAW was probably written to be a deterrent.  Since THE LAW wasn't passed by Trump or this Congress, I don't see how you could accuse the GOP of exploiting the child.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2018, 07:05:25 pm »
Suddenly, I feel like a shower.

Yup.  Time's hardly worthy of lining a parakeet's cage
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2018, 07:08:22 pm »
"Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family".


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Top CBP officials did not know what the executive order would ask them to do until its release Wednesday, the official said. The decision to cease prosecutions of parents with children was made by the Department of Homeland Security for logistical purposes because the official said it would not be “feasible” to bring children to federal courtrooms while their parents go before a judge."
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It may not be a cave, but the MSM and the left are doing victory laps today.

I have to admit, I had been skeptical of this whole wall idea.
Frankly, because Trump landed on many sides of this issue throughout his campaign, and now in his Presidency.

He is still saying zero tolerance and a wall.

Time will tell, I suppose.

Call a cave or a stroke of genius.
Call it whatever you want, but I can tell you that my own first and current reactions are not  positive ones.
This is a step backwards, my gut tells me.
I hope it is one we can recover from.

@GrouchoTex   You are not usually so gullible.  This was a rational decision to remove the emotional aspect of border control that had people weeping over The Children.  These included people who are generally more sensible but overcome by sympathy for the kiddies.  Sympathy which trumped reality.

Trump made the only decision possible under the circumstances.  It took the legs out from under the fake sympathy generated by kiddie pictures.

Don't worry about it.
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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2018, 07:11:14 pm »
Well... since they were only following THE LAW.... I would call it compliance with THE LAW.

And THE LAW was probably written to be a deterrent.  Since THE LAW wasn't passed by Trump or this Congress, I don't see how you could accuse the GOP of exploiting the child.

 :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:


Simple.  When it's their declared strategy as a deterrent, they're making it clear.  When you find a soft spot in the opposition's approach, you use your available tools to - wait for it - exploit their weakness.  That's exactly what they did with the law and they know it.  Worst of all, Neilsen attempt to deny it was a deterrent and feigned outrage during the press conference, when it has been stated before by CoS Kelly, AG Sessions, and others.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #73 on: June 21, 2018, 07:19:34 pm »

Simple.  When it's their declared strategy as a deterrent, they're making it clear.  When you find a soft spot in the opposition's approach, you use your available tools to - wait for it - exploit their weakness.  That's exactly what they did with the law and they know it.  Worst of all, Neilsen attempt to deny it was a deterrent and feigned outrage during the press conference, when it has been stated before by CoS Kelly, AG Sessions, and others.

Well, THE LAW was, in fact, a deterrent (which was why it was passed).  But the radical left decided to use it as a political tool with which to trash Trump.  It worked.  He caved.  There was nothing wrong with THE LAW.  The fault belongs with the leftists that used it to manipulate public opinion and ultimately, to manipulate Trump.  And if the GOP deserves any blame here, it is for CAVING to the idiot left.  (just my 2 cents worth)


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Re: Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family
« Reply #74 on: June 21, 2018, 07:20:45 pm »
Ok... please clear up my confusion here.  How, exactly, is the GOP exploiting the child?

Stock response of leftists when confronted with the inexcusable actions of those on their side is to 'admit' that both sides are guilty, and council civility. (not accusing anyone here of being a leftist)

They usually follow this reasonable sounding 'admission' with an explanation of the motives of the left wing goon, exposing their belief that the only difference between us is their side has a good reason for behaving like a brownshirt while, presumably, our's doesn't.

The only problem is they seldom provide one for one examples to compare. Because they can't.

They should be called out every time they try this crap.
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