Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter   I believe you may be mistaken.  Trump does not cave very often.  In fact, almost never.  In this instance, he was aware of the political reality that this issue was resonating with a wide variety of people who had no idea of the true situation.

I think he made a wise decision to eliminate this part of the equation in order to reach his goal.

If you are going to base your opinions on 'media celebration faces' you need to re-evaluate.

Oh he caves alright.  He caved on the spending bill.  Strapped the next generation with a load of debt.  I don't think it was wise at all.  The zero tolerance policy with children separated from parents was a huge deterrent to illegal immigration.  I posted a link about families who were waiting in Mexico for resolution to child separation so that they could cross illegally.  And it didn't do anything to stop the liberal criticism.  Now Trump is imprisoning them as families.  And that is harmful to the child now also.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Uh... yeah.  We are.  It's just a question of to what degree.  Meanwhile.... the infestationinvasion continues unabated.

I say stop ALL immigration until this current wave of illegals is halted.  If that sounds harsh, so be it.  We're under assault here.... from without AND from within.

It doesn't sound harsh, but it does sound like you'll need to convince a lot of people.



The number who say *legal* immigration is a good thing is even higher at 84%, including 80% GOP and 92% of Democrats

[edpc]

And if the GOP deserves any blame here, it is for CAVING to the idiot left.  (just my 2 cents worth)

They did cave, but don't worry too much about it.  The left is entirely predictable and will overplay the hand, beat the issue into the ground, and create public resentment towards them.  This mag cover is an example.

[dfwgator]

They did cave, but don't worry too much about it.  The left is entirely predictable and will overplay the hand, beat the issue into the ground, and create public resentment towards them.  This mag cover is an example.

But you're assuming the Republicans oppose the Democrats on this.

[XenaLee]

It doesn't sound harsh, but it does sound like you'll need to convince a lot of people.



The number who say *legal* immigration is a good thing is even higher at 84%, including 80% GOP and 92% of Democrats

Problem is... in order to stop the illegal immigration swarm/wave.... you have to stop ALL immigration temporarily.  It's a reality.  Legal immigration could be resumed once this threat is over.  It's a tool and a tactic.  It should be used .... now.  But it won't be.  I can already see the caving on the wall (pardon pun).

[GrouchoTex]

@GrouchoTex   You are not usually so gullible.  This was a rational decision to remove the emotional aspect of border control that had people weeping over The Children.  These included people who are generally more sensible but overcome by sympathy for the kiddies.  Sympathy which trumped reality.

Trump made the only decision possible under the circumstances.  It took the legs out from under the fake sympathy generated by kiddie pictures.

Don't worry about it.

 if I am not usually so gullible, you must think that I am sometimes so gullible, LOL

As you say, "Sympathy which trumped reality"

It sounds like the opposition has a template, and we don't seem to have the backbone to stand up to it, especially if it involves Children.

Remember, he talked about doing away with due process after the Parkland shooting, until cooler heads prevailed.

I don't see this as being gullible.

[XenaLee]

They did cave, but don't worry too much about it.  The left is entirely predictable and will overplay the hand, beat the issue into the ground, and create public resentment towards them.  This mag cover is an example.

Let's hope!   

[Sanguine]

Time cover

Is it really?

[Silver Pines]

dead has a good one over a

@dfwgator

Ugh, lol.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon both sides need to stop.  But they won't because as we've seen in the last 24+ hours it's only an outrage when it's NOT your particular political party exploiting the child.

@txradioguy

Agreed.

[XenaLee]

But you're assuming the Republicans oppose the Democrats on this.

The RINOs are all for letting as many illegals in, just as the Democrats are.  But there are some GOPers that are against it.... and most of Trump's base is against it (one of the main reasons he was elected, in fact).  If it appears that Trump is caving in to the rats over illegal immigration (and it does appear that way).... Trump will lose a huge chunk of his voter base over this.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon
Thats why I don't do it, and I wish you would stop.

@driftdiver

Number three.  You do you.

[skeeter]

It doesn't sound harsh, but it does sound like you'll need to convince a lot of people.



The number who say *legal* immigration is a good thing is even higher at 84%, including 80% GOP and 92% of Democrats

Not a problem. The only thing required to convince more people is to flesh the question 'is immigration a good thing' out with a little detail.

Just toss in a few facts reqarding immigrant vs native relative consumption of social services, or levels of incarceration of illegals, etc and then you might find those numbers changing.

[Emjay]

Thanks, @Emjay . And it's a lot more than sometimes.    (wink)

Yep, I know.

[Emjay]

if I am not usually so gullible, you must think that I am sometimes so gullible, LOL

As you say, "Sympathy which trumped reality"

It sounds like the opposition has a template, and we don't seem to have the backbone to stand up to it, especially if it involves Children.

Remember, he talked about doing away with due process after the Parkland shooting, until cooler heads prevailed.

I don't see this as being gullible.

Sorry, wrong word maybe.  But I see it as leaning toward the worst interpretation of Trump's actions.

His actions won't always please you, but they are generally the right thing to do at the right time.

[Sanguine]

Not a problem. The only thing required to convince more people is to flesh the question 'is immigration a good thing' out with a little detail.

Just toss in a few facts reqarding immigrant vs native relative consumption of social services, or levels of incarceration of illegals, etc and then you might find those numbers changing.

And, the assumption would be legal, meritorious immigration. 

[Emjay]

Oh he caves alright.  He caved on the spending bill.  Strapped the next generation with a load of debt.  I don't think it was wise at all.  The zero tolerance policy with children separated from parents was a huge deterrent to illegal immigration.  I posted a link about families who were waiting in Mexico for resolution to child separation so that they could cross illegally.  And it didn't do anything to stop the liberal criticism.  Now Trump is imprisoning them as families.  And that is harmful to the child now also.

I shouldn't reply to you because you are implacable in your sense of right which often doesn't make sense at all.  The spending bill was inevitable and Trump recently planned to drastically reduce government agencies and useless spending.  He was thwarted by two brainless Republicans in a 48 vote.

The families are not imprisoned.  That is a liberal word to describe a legal place of holding applicants for crossing the border.  If they won't go back and they can't get in, what do you propose?

Please do not answer.  I can't take any more today.

[musiclady]

comfortablysmug/Twitter


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321240.0/topicseen.html

Oh, that's GREAT!

Too bad it isn't real.   

@CatherineofAragon

[mystery-ak]

The latest cover of The New Yorker magazine takes on President Trump's immigration policies, showing migrant children hiding at the feet of the State of Liberty.

The issue, which is slated to hit shelves on July 2, features artwork showing five migrant children hiding underneath the robe of Lady Liberty, gripping her legs.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/393526-new-yorker-cover-shows-migrant-children-hiding-at-statue-of

[skeeter]

And, the assumption would be legal, meritorious immigration.

Which we know constitutes only a fraction of current levels.

The best thing that will come out of all of this 'controversy' is Americans are learning there's more to the issue than 'give me your huddled masses' happy talk of the state media.

[edpc]

But you're assuming the Republicans oppose the Democrats on this.

I'm just looking at it from a public point of view.  People generally don't like being lambasted with a topic.

[driftdiver]

Simple.  When it's their declared strategy as a deterrent, they're making it clear.  When you find a soft spot in the opposition's approach, you use your available tools to - wait for it - exploit their weakness.  That's exactly what they did with the law and they know it.  Worst of all, Neilsen attempt to deny it was a deterrent and feigned outrage during the press conference, when it has been stated before by CoS Kelly, AG Sessions, and others.

@edpc
So the real issue as far as you're concerned is that Trump gives preference to Americans over people from other countries?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Not a problem. The only thing required to convince more people is to flesh the question 'is immigration a good thing' out with a little detail.

Just toss in a few facts reqarding immigrant vs native relative consumption of social services, or levels of incarceration of illegals, etc and then you might find those numbers changing.

Simple like a bumper sticker.  build the wall. lock her up. drain the swamp.

When I see that graph it says public support falls for immigration when the economy tanks and people need a scapegoat.  It is hard to make the case "the economy is great...we need to protect it from those filthy Latino children."

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Number three.  You do you.

@CatherineofAragon
I've noticed that women always have to have the last word.

[GrouchoTex]

Sorry, wrong word maybe.  But I see it as leaning toward the worst interpretation of Trump's actions.

His actions won't always please you, but they are generally the right thing to do at the right time.

The gullible thing didn't bother me. I thought it was funny, which is why I put the "LOL" in there.

Here is what worries me, from my previous post:

“We’re suspending prosecutions of adults who are members of family units until ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) can accelerate resource capability to allow us to maintain custody,” the official said.

"Because ICE lacks the detention capacity to increase the number of families it holds in detention, the official acknowledged that many migrant parents and children will likely be released from custody while they await court hearings.

Top CBP officials did not know what the executive order would ask them to do until its release Wednesday, the official said. The decision to cease prosecutions of parents with children was made by the Department of Homeland Security for logistical purposes because the official said it would not be “feasible” to bring children to federal courtrooms while their parents go before a judge."

So, the decision has been made to keep the families together while they wait for their court date.
According to ICE and CBP, and Homeland Security, what is missing are the facilities to do so.
Until they are built, if they ever are, we are right back to "catch and release", which is a step backwards, in my opinion.