Trump caves after negative images, pressure from family

[driftdiver]

The latest cover of The New Yorker magazine takes on President Trump's immigration policies, showing migrant children hiding at the feet of the State of Liberty.

The issue, which is slated to hit shelves on July 2, features artwork showing five migrant children hiding underneath the robe of Lady Liberty, gripping her legs.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/393526-new-yorker-cover-shows-migrant-children-hiding-at-statue-of

Gripping should be replaced with hobbling.

Illegals cost us $135 billion a year.   You could fix a couple bridges with that kinda money.

[Jazzhead]

The RINOs are all for letting as many illegals in, just as the Democrats are. 

Total unmitigated bullshit.  Yes, traditional Republicans (who you call RINOs) differ from the restrictionists in wanting increased legal immigration.  They view increased immigration as essential for the economy to grow.  And most reputable economists agree. 

But Republicans of all stripes are united in wanting to see the laws against illegal immigration enforced.  Most of the differences involve tactics and the issue of what to do with those already here,  who took rational advantage of past administrations' laziness or indifference to enforcing the law.   IMO, such folks, if they've worked hard and kept their noses clean, should be permitted to stay.  That's out of a sense of compassion, although I understand that's a notion that is alien to you.   So then if for nothing else than to serve as a bargaining chip so we can get resources we need to secure the border and enforce the law the way it should have been all along.   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

The zero tolerance policy with children separated from parents was a huge deterrent to illegal immigration.  I posted a link about families who were waiting in Mexico for resolution to child separation so that they could cross illegally.  And it didn't do anything to stop the liberal criticism.  Now Trump is imprisoning them as families.  And that is harmful to the child now also.

I think your observations are mostly correct here.  There are families that will now enter because they know they will not be separated and a roof, bed, and meals, even in a cage, is preferable to dying as a family.

[edpc]

So the real issue as far as you're concerned is that Trump gives preference to Americans over people from other countries?

Go back and follow the full exchange I had with Xena.  She asked a specific question and I attempted to answer it.  If you still arrive at the same conclusion, I doubt anything I say would make a difference in your perception.

[Jazzhead]

I think your observations are mostly correct here.  There are families that will now enter because they know they will not be separated and a roof, bed, and meals, even in a cage, is preferable to dying as a family.

Well, the idea is to detain families together pending a hearing to vet their credentials and determine their status.   The ultimate issue is what our policy should be toward granting asylum to families fleeing intolerable gang violence in Central America.   I know my views on that score differ from most here.   

[XenaLee]

Total unmitigated bullshit.  Yes, traditional Republicans (who you call RINOs) differ from the restrictionists in wanting increased legal immigration.  They view increased immigration as essential for the economy to grow.  And most reputable economists agree. 

But Republicans of all stripes are united in wanting to see the laws against illegal immigration enforced.  Most of the differences involve tactics and the issue of what to do with those already here,  who took rational advantage of past administrations' laziness or indifference to enforcing the law.   IMO, such folks, if they've worked hard and kept their noses clean, should be permitted to stay.  That's out of a sense of compassion, although I understand that's a notion that is alien to you.   So then if for nothing else than to serve as a bargaining chip so we can get resources we need to secure the border and enforce the law the way it should have been all along.

Uh... you want to talk about unmitigated bullshit?  That would be your bullshit claim that RINOs (ie Republicans In Name ONLY) are ""traditional Republicans"".   Traditional Republicans don't vote in sync with the g'damned DemocRats most of the time (frickin duh).

And... you have already outted yourself as what you ARE here.  So please... spare me your endless stream of crappola.  Heard it, read it, ad nauseam.

[XenaLee]

The gullible thing didn't bother me. I thought it was funny, which is why I put the "LOL" in there.

Here is what worries me, from my previous post:

“We’re suspending prosecutions of adults who are members of family units until ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) can accelerate resource capability to allow us to maintain custody,” the official said.

"Because ICE lacks the detention capacity to increase the number of families it holds in detention, the official acknowledged that many migrant parents and children will likely be released from custody while they await court hearings.

Top CBP officials did not know what the executive order would ask them to do until its release Wednesday, the official said. The decision to cease prosecutions of parents with children was made by the Department of Homeland Security for logistical purposes because the official said it would not be “feasible” to bring children to federal courtrooms while their parents go before a judge."

So, the decision has been made to keep the families together while they wait for their court date.
According to ICE and CBP, and Homeland Security, what is missing are the facilities to do so.
Until they are built, if they ever are, we are right back to "catch and release", which is a step backwards, in my opinion.

Only.... it's not just a step backwards.  It's a total cave to the leftist Democrats.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon
I've noticed that women always have to have the last word.

@driftdiver

Damn right.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Well, the idea is to detain families together pending a hearing to vet their credentials and determine their status.   The ultimate issue is what our policy should be toward granting asylum to families fleeing intolerable gang violence in Central America.   I know my views on that score differ from most here.   

@Jazzhead
The saddest thing is we have been arguing this issue all our politically aware lives and nothing gets done about it.  Even when both parties say it's a problem.  I think both parties would rather use the issue to score political points with their base than compromise a solution. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Traditional Republicans don't vote in sync with the g'damned DemocRats most of the time (frickin duh).

Name one Republican who votes in sync with rats most of the time

[XenaLee]

Name one Republican who votes in sync with rats most of the time

I seem to recall McCain siding with the rats more often than not ... one reason why I can't stand his @ss.  I won't waste my time listing the other RINOs that usually put a kink in the voting process by voting against the Republican stance.  You already know them.  Or should.... by now.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
The saddest thing is we have been arguing this issue all our politically aware lives and nothing gets done about it.  Even when both parties say it's a problem.  I think both parties would rather use the issue to score political points with their base than compromise a solution.

@Once-Ler

I agree with you, sir, every last word.   Wasn't there once some quaint notion that politics was a means to an end, that of public service?   When did become just about bloodsport, and to hell with peoples' lives?   

[Jazzhead]

I seem to recall McCain siding with the rats more often than not ... one reason why I can't stand his @ss.  I won't waste my time listing the other RINOs that usually put a kink in the voting process by voting against the Republican stance.  You already know them.  Or should.... by now.

I haven't looked it up,  but I believe it is true that even the most moderate Republican in Congress has a better ACU rating than the most conservative Democrat.   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I seem to recall McCain siding with the rats more often than not ... one reason why I can't stand his @ss.  I won't waste my time listing the other RINOs that usually put a kink in the voting process by voting against the Republican stance.  You already know them.  Or should.... by now.

Your recollection is wrong.  Try again.

[Sanguine]

Name one Republican who votes in sync with rats most of the time

Well, here's a start.  I can post a lot more if the point still hasn't been made.

 
Senator
Susan Collins (ME)
 
Senator
Lamar Alexander (TN)
 
Representative
Dave Reichert (WA)
 
Senator
Lisa Murkowski (AK)
 
Representative
Elise Stefanik (NY)
 
Representative
Daniel Donovan (NY)
 
Senator
Orrin Hatch (UT)
 
Representative
Charlie Dent (PA)
 
Representative
Barbara Comstock (VA)
 
Representative
Ryan Costello (PA)
 
Representative
Tom MacArthur (NJ)
 
Representative
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL)
 
Representative
Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ)
 
Representative
Frank LoBiondo (NJ)
 
Senator
John Hoeven (ND)
 
Representative
Peter King (NY)
 
Representative
Carlos Curbelo (FL)
 
Representative
David Valadao (CA)
 
Senator
Johnny Isakson (GA)
 
Senator
Mike Rounds (SD)
 
Senator
Shelley Capito (WV)
 
Representative
John Faso (NY)
 
Representative
Mike Bost (IL)
 
Representative
Steve Stivers (OH)
 
Representative
Will Hurd (TX)

[Jazzhead]

Uh... you want to talk about unmitigated bullshit?  That would be your bullshit claim that RINOs (ie Republicans In Name ONLY) are ""traditional Republicans"".   Traditional Republicans don't vote in sync with the g'damned DemocRats most of the time (frickin duh).

And... you have already outted yourself as what you ARE here.  So please... spare me your endless stream of crappola.  Heard it, read it, ad nauseam.

RINO is a pejorative.   Traditional Republicans believe in free markets, free minds, free trade, support for the equal protection of the law, and support for civil rights.   And they even see the merit in allowing immigrants to set foot onto our shores. 

There used to be a lot of us.     

[XenaLee]

Your recollection is wrong.  Try again.

Actually... it's spot-on.  Here's a list of 'other' RINOs, if you're interested.

https://www.conservativereview.com/top-25-rinos/

[roamer_1]

Trump caves are the biggest caves.  They're the most beautiful caves.  The best caves.  In Trump caves, the stalactites go up and the stalagmites come down.

I see what you did there :)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler

I agree with you, sir, every last word.   Wasn't there once some quaint notion that politics was a means to an end, that of public service?   When did become just about bloodsport, and to hell with peoples' lives?

@Jazzhead
The art of the possible?  I've heard that too.  Both parties have forgotten the middle and only cater to their base.  I suppose that could have been expected, but both keep their base in line by dehumanizing the other side.  I would welcome a staunchly moderate party.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Well, the idea is to detain families together pending a hearing to vet their credentials and determine their status.   The ultimate issue is what our policy should be toward granting asylum to families fleeing intolerable gang violence in Central America.   I know my views on that score differ from most here.   

Under U.S. law, asylum can only be granted if persecution is “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.”  Being subjected to gang violence from drug cartels almost surely doesn't qualify under U.S. law, which is why the vast majority have been rejected.

If you want that expanded to include being subject just to a drug-related high crime rate, the law would have to be changed.  And tens of millions of people would qualify for asylum under that standard.  Arguably, a great many more than that.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Name one Republican who votes in sync with rats most of the time

Well, here's a start.  I can post a lot more if the point still hasn't been made.

 
Senator
Susan Collins (ME)

https://votesmart.org/interest-group/1481/rating/5397#.WywPVCAh1PY

ME    U.S. Senate    Sr    Susan Collins    Republican    64%
ME    U.S. House    1    Chellie Pingree    Democratic    0%

Failed on the first attempt.  Name one Republican who votes in sync with rats most of the time.  All you need to do is find one.  good luck

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Damn right.

@CatherineofAragon
See

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
The art of the possible?  I've heard that too.  Both parties have forgotten the middle and only cater to their base.  I suppose that could have been expected, but both keep their base in line by dehumanizing the other side.  I would welcome a staunchly moderate party.

As would I.  Maybe we'll get that opportunity in 2020.   

[Jazzhead]

Under U.S. law, asylum can only be granted if persecution is “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.”  Being subjected to gang violence from drug cartels almost surely doesn't qualify under U.S. law, which is why the vast majority have been rejected.

If you want that expanded to include being subject just to a drug-related high crime rate, the law would have to be changed.  And tens of millions of people would qualify for asylum under that standard.  Arguably, a great many more than that.

Understood.   And I would support a temporary change in the law specifically directed to accepting worthy refugees from nations most severely affected by MS-13.   Or the provision of direct assistance to those nations to help them combat MS-13.  Or the legalization of drugs that fuel the demand for product supplied by such gangs. 

[XenaLee]

https://votesmart.org/interest-group/1481/rating/5397#.WywPVCAh1PY

ME    U.S. Senate    Sr    Susan Collins    Republican    64%
ME    U.S. House    1    Chellie Pingree    Democratic    0%

Failed on the first attempt.  Name one Republican who votes in sync with rats most of the time.  All you need to do is find one.  good luck

Ehhh.....so typical.  But ok.  I'll edit that "most of the time" to enough of the time.  Enough of the time to qualify as not supporting the GOP stance. 

It's a matter of semantics....most of the time vs. enough of the time or routinely.  What's the diff?

John McCain , the self-styled "maverick," who prided himself on sticking it to his Republican Senate colleagues by almost routinely siding with Democrats on key issues, was the RINOs' Chosen One in the 2008 election debacle. 

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/01/rinos_handmaids_in_the_destruction_of_america.html

Point is.... the RINOs put a kink in the GOP agenda by voting along with the Democrats when it counts.  I have witnessed enough of those times, so please don't try to pretend it hasn't happened.