Roy Moore refuses to concede, says Alabama Senate race ‘not over’

[Fantom]

He didn't just disagree. He defied a valid court order. Yes, the court did twist the establishment clause. That happens all the time these days. It's the theocrats are coming, the theocrats are coming! It's chicken little bullshit. But you can't defy a valid court order, especially if you're a chief justice.

Actually you can.... It is the American way. Fascist in black robes notwithstanding. It is past time the black robed oligarchy be put in place. They do not own us... especially when we consistently vote otherwise.

"All Rise"... thanks Caesar... but no...kiss my ass.

[corbe]

I strongly disagree with you @corbe.  We all had plenty of skin in the game whether or not we realize it.

    AND I respect that @Bigun the Senate hasn't got crap done with 52 GOP'ers (other than Gorsuch) and I sincerely doubt that 1 less is gonna make a difference.  We share a significant problem and it doesn't seem to have an immediate solution ~ Removing Mitch.

[XenaLee]

  I am not evangelical as he is.... but yes.

As for the substance... how many ballots yet to count?  Especially military?

Now the Machiavellian in me speaks..... drawing this out gives tax cuts one more vote until it is decided. The Judge is doing a service here. I expect a tax package, passed by both Houses ..next week.

My advice?  Gird your loins (Biden style) and prepare for disappointment.

[Fantom]

My advice?  Gird your loins (Biden style) and prepare for disappointment.

Honestly, the last paragraph I wrote means more to me.

[edpc]

Now the Machiavellian in me speaks..... drawing this out gives tax cuts one more vote until it is decided. The Judge is doing a service here. I expect a tax package, passed by both Houses ..next week.

His refusal to concede has nothing to do with the tax vote.  The SoS of AL had not planned on certifying the vote until after Christmas, anyway.  The new Senator wouldn’t be seated until 2018 no matter what.

[Fantom]

His refusal to concede has nothing to do with the tax vote.  The SoS of AL had not planned on certifying the vote until after Christmas, anyway.  The new Senator wouldn’t be seated until 2018 no matter what.

I really do not care. It works both ways... see all votes counted, make sure they cannot seat the demposter until after crucial votes.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

He didn't just disagree. He defied a valid court order. Yes, the court did twist the establishment clause. That happens all the time these days. It's the theocrats are coming, the theocrats are coming! It's chicken little bullshit. But you can't defy a valid court order, especially if you're a chief justice.

Bullshit.  Of course you can defy a court order, if it is against the Constitution.

You are preaching unconstitutional behavior.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

    Though I thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth here on TBR the last 2 months, I never lost sight that other than a few Briefers that actually live in Alabama (who I am appreciative of even Moore for their on the ground reports @Sighlass) None of us really had any Skin in the Game, unless we were donating and I know some of you did or doing phone banks for him.

                               Skin in the Game

We certainly had skin in the game.

How do you think this country runs anyway?  By a single state?  If so, you are an idiot.

[240B]

His refusal to concede has nothing to do with the tax vote.  The SoS of AL had not planned on certifying the vote until after Christmas, anyway.  The new Senator wouldn’t be seated until 2018 no matter what.

Yep. Just what I was thinking too.

[corbe]

We certainly had skin in the game.

How do you think this country runs anyway?  By a single state?  If so, you are an idiot.

   No, Not a Single State @IsailedawayfromFR just 2 Men and I use that term loosely.




    1 or even 5 Senators don't seem to matter much right now in the grand scheme of things, legislatively.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

   No, Not a Single State @IsailedawayfromFR just 2 Men and I use that term loosely.




    1 or even 5 Senators don't seem to matter much right now in the grand scheme of things, legislatively.

Then you remain an idiot if you do think any more numbers matter.
Remain that way, a loser

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp
@IsailedawayfromFR
@Bigun

Back in the beginning of this millenium Moore defied a Federal court order. I think the court order was stupid. It was an overreaching interpretation of  the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Nonetheless, it was a valid court order. He defied a valid court order and he was the Chief Justice.

He's a kook.

I think the "kooks"  are people who accept utter garbage issuing out of the mouths of petty tyrants.  Judges *NEED*  to be defied.   They run their courts the way Obama ran his Presidency,  as a tyrant who was not constrained by mere law or legislative intent. 


Your argument is that "Might makes right",  and I say that is a morally bankrupt position.   The law is not embodied in a Judges personal preferences,  it is embodied in the intent of the legislators who created it.   

Hitler was a valid authority too,   but anyone who is worth a D@mn would defy the sick bastard,   not meekly go along with utter bullsh*t because "Authority"  says so!   

[edpc]

Yep. Just what I was thinking too.

It wasn’t just my opinion.  This was already decided and known.

State officials said certification of Tuesday's election would not happen until Dec. 26th at the earliest in order to ensure all counties have reported results. The Senate is only expected to be in session this year until Dec. 22 at the latest.

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/mitch-mcconnell-alabamas-new-senator-wont-be-seated-this-year/article/2643267

[Frank Cannon]

They were usually drunk as hell.

But they kept the chatter on football and not some Leftist bullshit.

[DiogenesLamp]

He didn't just disagree. He defied a valid court order.

Point of order.  The "valid"  court order enjoined the Secretary of State.   The district courts are not controlled by the Secretary of State,  they answer to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.   


Not only is the Federal Judge f***ing ignorant (I mean *LYING*) about the law,  the stupid bastard didn't write the order to the correct chain of command.   

Yes, the court did twist the establishment clause. That happens all the time these days.

It happens because people don't tell them to go F*** themselves.   If more people refused to obey unlawful orders,  we would have a lot less trouble out of arrogant Federal Judges.   

It's the theocrats are coming, the theocrats are coming! It's chicken little bullshit. But you can't defy a valid court order, especially if you're a chief justice.

Anyone can defy anybody,  and people who abuse their authority *NEED*  to be defied.  In fact,  it is our *DUTY*  to defy such people.   

[DiogenesLamp]

    Though I thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth here on TBR the last 2 months, I never lost sight that other than a few Briefers that actually live in Alabama (who I am appreciative of even Moore for their on the ground reports @Sighlass) None of us really had any Skin in the Game, unless we were donating and I know some of you did or doing phone banks for him.

Skin in the Game?  We've got all sorts of skin in the game.   That 1% of the power of the Senate can swing 100% of the results far more often than people realize.   Trump already announced he was dropping two of his federal Judge picks,  and I don't think it is a coincidence that it occurred right after Doug Jones was declared the winner. 


We've all got "Skin in the Game."   Senators don't really represent their own states anymore,  they are constantly meddling in affairs that effect all of us,  like "Obamacare"  or the "Ethanol mandate." 


People are saying we need to get that tax bill rushed through before Doug Jones can get seated and screw it up.   

[Frank Cannon]

[DiogenesLamp]

Actually you can.... It is the American way. Fascist in black robes notwithstanding. It is past time the black robed oligarchy be put in place. They do not own us... especially when we consistently vote otherwise.

"All Rise"... thanks Caesar... but no...kiss my ass.

California Proposition 8?  The Supreme Court says "F*** the will of the people." 


The nation was founded on this principle called "Consent of the Governed."  The premise is that all governing legitimacy emanates from the acquiescence of the people,  and these bastard Judges have completely turned that principle on it's ear.   


Now they just expect us to do whatever cockamamie claim that spills from their lips,  and the right and proper thing to do is to tell them "Make us." 

 

[Smokin Joe]

   No, Not a Single State @IsailedawayfromFR just 2 Men and I use that term loosely.




    1 or even 5 Senators don't seem to matter much right now in the grand scheme of things, legislatively.

Yep. A turdle and a turd.

[Smokin Joe]

Then you remain an idiot if you do think any more numbers matter.
Remain that way, a loser

Last I looked, we're all in the same country. For good or evil, the actions of those in other States have an effect on us all.
History has often been swayed by a single, critical vote. Just think Turncoat Roberts and the ACA.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm not a fan of Roy Moore, but I'm with him on this. They should count all the votes before declaring this other guy the winner.

[INVAR]

The nation was founded on this principle called "Consent of the Governed."  The premise is that all governing legitimacy emanates from the acquiescence of the people,  and these bastard Judges have completely turned that principle on it's ear. 

I think the "kooks"  are people who accept utter garbage issuing out of the mouths of petty tyrants.  Judges *NEED*  to be defied.   They run their courts the way Obama ran his Presidency,  as a tyrant who was not constrained by mere law or legislative intent. 


Your argument is that "Might makes right",  and I say that is a morally bankrupt position.   The law is not embodied in a Judges personal preferences,  it is embodied in the intent of the legislators who created it.   

Hitler was a valid authority too,   but anyone who is worth a D@mn would defy the sick bastard,   not meekly go along with utter bullsh*t because "Authority"  says so!   

I have to say DGL, that even though you and I vehemently disagreed in regards to the election last year, I do have to say I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed reading your excellent arguments in regards to the out-of-control judiciary as it related to Moore and this past election.

Caught myself nodding my head vigorously when reading much of your comments and rebuttals in the past couple of months.

[edpc]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump called on fellow Republican Roy Moore on Friday to concede to Democrat Doug Jones in the Alabama U.S. Senate race, following the party's stinging loss in the southern U.S. state earlier this week.

Moore, whose controversial candidacy was beset by allegations that he sexually assaulted or pursued teenage girls while in his 30s, has so far refused to admit defeat in Tuesday's election that saw Jones win by 1.5 percentage points with 99 percent of the ballots counted.

The embattled Republican has made two statements since his loss, but has not conceded even as Trump and others have reached out to congratulate Jones, a former prosecutor, on his win.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-urges-republican-concede-alabama-senate-race-145556808.html

[WingNot]

I have to say DGL, that even though you and I vehemently disagreed in regards to the election last year, I do have to say I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed reading your excellent arguments in regards to the out-of-control judiciary as it related to Moore and this past election.

Caught myself nodding my head vigorously when reading much of your comments and rebuttals in the past couple of months.

Reading that made reminds me of a similar situation when two long time adversaries had the occassion complemented each other:  It went something like this:

 "Well, thank you, Mr. Bandit. And as the pursuer, may I say you're the goddamnedest pursuee I've ever pursued. Now that the mutual bullshit is over, WHERE ARE YOU, YOU SOMBITCH"?

[ABX]

Even Trump is telling Moore to give it up.

President Trump calls for Roy Moore to concede in Alabama Senate race


President Trump on Friday called on Roy Moore to throw in the towel in the Alabama Senate race he lost to Democrat Doug Jones on Tuesday following a bruising campaign.
"I think he should [concede]," Trump told reporters at the White House.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/15/president-trump-calls-for-roy-moore-to-concede-in-alabama-senate-race.html