GOP Senator Tom Cotton Blasts The Idea Americans Won't Work Certain Jobs

[Chosen Daughter]

GOP Senator Tom Cotton Blasts The Idea Americans Won't Work Certain Jobs

"I'm not aware of any job that an American won't do."


CN  Jacob Airey

?  August 3, 2017


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aware of any job that an American won't do."


CN  Jacob Airey

?  August 3, 2017


Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican, blasted the notion that illegal immigrants are doing the jobs that Americans refuse to do. He called the constantly repeated claim by the left, “emotional and opinionated, and yet uninformed.”

Cotton appeared on The Laura Ingraham Show on Thursday where he defended his immigration reform bill known as the RAISE Act against the left and even establishment members of his own party. He pointed to the fact that Americans are doing those jobs, according to statistics from the Labor Department.

Senator Cotton said, "I'm not aware of any job that an American won't do. The facts are native-born Americans make up the majority in every single industry in this country."

http://www.conservativenews.com/article/3789/gop-senator-tom-cotton-blasts-idea

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[dfwgator]

Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican, blasted the notion that illegal immigrants are doing the jobs that Americans refuse to do. He called the constantly repeated claim by the left, “emotional and opinionated, and yet uninformed.”

So, George W. Bush is now considered, "the Left"?

[DB]

So, George W. Bush is now considered, "the Left"?

Is that a trick question?

[Chosen Daughter]

So, George W. Bush is now considered, "the Left"?

George W. Bush wasn't really Conservative.  He was always pandering to Presidente Fox.  One time Fox came and was dictating how people from his country should be treated.  I thought to myself there is a Fox in the hen house.

[roamer_1]

So, George W. Bush is now considered, "the Left"?

Well, he certainly wasn't 'the right'.

[Suppressed]

Tom Cotton needs to get out into the real world.

[Chosen Daughter]

Tom Cotton needs to get out into the real world.

Explain

[GtHawk]

Well, he certainly wasn't 'the right'.

Old GW certainly had and has his problems, but I am still glad we had him instead of manbearpig. When you look at these jobs that Americans supposedly won't do? They were all traditionally done by Americans, until they moved up and the jobs they left  were filled by lower paid and often undocumen.......screw it, illegals. And what has happened over time is that it has now become such a hostile environment for non Hispanics that those jobs are effectively out of reach of non Hispanics.

How many non Hispanic garbagemen do you see, here in California it's zero and those are relatively well paid and benefited jobs, Fast Food most all Hispanic with the exclusion of chains like In-N-Out, many areas of the construction trades have flat out been taken over by immigrants from south of our border and it sure as hell isn't because the work is too distasteful.

[roamer_1]

Old GW certainly had and has his problems, but I am still glad we had him instead of manbearpig.

I am done equivocating. I was not happy with dubya by the end of his first term. By the end of his second... This particular Nativist won't defend him for anything.

When you look at these jobs that Americans supposedly won't do? They were all traditionally done by Americans, until they moved up and the jobs they left  were filled by lower paid and often undocumen.......screw it, illegals. And what has happened over time is that it has now become such a hostile environment for non Hispanics that those jobs are effectively out of reach of non Hispanics.

How many non Hispanic garbagemen do you see, here in California it's zero and those are relatively well paid and benefited jobs, Fast Food most all Hispanic with the exclusion of chains like In-N-Out, many areas of the construction trades have flat out been taken over by immigrants from south of our border and it sure as hell isn't because the work is too distasteful.[/size]

I can't tell ya. Here in NW Montana, there are few illegals... Just cowboys and indians, other than orchard workers that come through.

So there seems to be plenty of folks workin' here doing the jobs Americans won't do... Except they're all Americans doing those jobs...

[Chosen Daughter]

Old GW certainly had and has his problems, but I am still glad we had him instead of manbearpig. When you look at these jobs that Americans supposedly won't do? They were all traditionally done by Americans, until they moved up and the jobs they left  were filled by lower paid and often undocumen.......screw it, illegals. And what has happened over time is that it has now become such a hostile environment for non Hispanics that those jobs are effectively out of reach of non Hispanics.

How many non Hispanic garbagemen do you see, here in California it's zero and those are relatively well paid and benefited jobs, Fast Food most all Hispanic with the exclusion of chains like In-N-Out, many areas of the construction trades have flat out been taken over by immigrants from south of our border and it sure as hell isn't because the work is too distasteful.

It is a hostile takeover of American jobs.  Tom Cotton is right on with this.  I can't take Trump seriously on immigration.  American first when he hires guest workers over Americans.  Trump himself has said the same.  He needs immigrants because Americans won't do it.  Horse crap. 

[GtHawk]

I am done equivocating. I was not happy with dubya by the end of his first term. By the end of his second... This particular Nativist won't defend him for anything.

I can't tell ya. Here in NW Montana, there are few illegals... Just cowboys and indians, other than orchard workers that come through.

So there seems to be plenty of folks workin' here doing the jobs Americans won't do... Except they're all Americans doing those jobs...

Not defending GW, don't want to and not trying to equivocate, that said with the choices we had we were still better with bad instead of worse. I know having worked and run food for over twenty years and several trades in construction or fifteen years in California exactly how those jobs were impacted and how that affected native Americans. And even though I'm first generation I wouldn't have a real problem with severely throttling back immigration across the board.

[Oceander]

Mr. Cotton don't get out much, then. 

[Sanguine]

Mr. Cotton don't get out much, then.

O, remember that when Americans do the same jobs they have to file and pay taxes.  It puts them at a distinct disadvantage.  For instance, if you were to start doing lawn maintenance, you would have to pay more for American workers (taxes, SSN, Medicaid and Workers Comp), plus your own taxes, plus somebody to do the bookkeeping.  You couldn't compete.

[Oceander]

O, remember that when Americans do the same jobs they have to file and pay taxes.  It puts them at a distinct disadvantage.  For instance, if you were to start doing lawn maintenance, you would have to pay more for American workers (taxes, SSN, Medicaid and Workers Comp), plus your own taxes, plus somebody to do the bookkeeping.  You couldn't compete.

The fix for that is so blindingly obvious I don't know why nobody's picked up on it: give them all legalized guest worker status.  Without having the weapon of the IMMI hanging over their heads, guest workers would very quickly insist on getting paid minimum wage (or better) and would turn in the tax cheats. 

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

[Sanguine]

The fix for that is so blindingly obvious I don't know why nobody's picked up on it: give them all legalized guest worker status.  Without having the weapon of the IMMI hanging over their heads, guest workers would very quickly insist on getting paid minimum wage (or better) and would turn in the tax cheats. 

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

Except that there's a lot more to it than that.  First, you have to shut down the border.  Why the hell would anyone bother going to the trouble of getting a card when they can just sneak across?  So, that involves enforcement too.  Sounds easy, but it's not.

And, of course, how would this stop criminals coming in? 

Oh, and the part about if you get a worker ID then you can file for an earned income credit AND claim your 14 children in Guatamela?  There's a whole lot that would need fixing before your idea would be workable.

[Oceander]

Except that there's a lot more to it than that.  First, you have to shut down the border.  Why the hell would anyone bother going to the trouble of getting a card when they can just sneak across?  So, that involves enforcement too.  Sounds easy, but it's not.

Oh, and the part about if you get a worker ID then you can file for an earned income credit AND claim you 14 children in Guatamela?  There's a whole lot that would need fixing before your idea would be workable.

Because being legal is much less of a headache than being illegal.  The key is not being xenophobic nativists with a persistent belief in fallacies such as a hermetically sealable border. 

Cost is also a factor.  Why pay a coyote $10,000 or more to get you across the border illegally when you can pay a small processing fee and come in legally?

[Sanguine]

Because being legal is much less of a headache than being illegal.  The key is not being xenophobic nativists with a persistent belief in fallacies such as a hermetically sealable border. 

Cost is also a factor.  Why pay a coyote $10,000 or more to get you across the border illegally when you can pay a small processing fee and come in legally?

Xenophobic nativist?  Are you seriously accusing me of that?

[Oceander]

Xenophobic nativist?  Are you seriously accusing me of that?

Not necessarily.  Just throwing it out there. 

But if you think Trump's wall is the solution to all, then you are deluded. 

[Sanguine]

Not necessarily.  Just throwing it out there. 

But if you think Trump's wall is the solution to all, then you are deluded.

"Throwing it out there"?  That's not the sort of thing you just casually throw out there. 

And, why the hell are you bringing "Trump's wall" into this?  Where have I said anything even remotely referring to a wall?

[Oceander]

"Throwing it out there"?  That's not the sort of thing you just casually throw out there. 

And, why the hell are you bringing "Trump's wall" into this?  Where have I said anything even remotely referring to a wall?

Do you, or do you not, want to shut the border down first, and do you, or do you not, think that people will continue to come in illegally, as opposed to legally, if they can just walk across the border?

[Sanguine]

Do you, or do you not, want to shut the border down first, and do you, or do you not, think that people will continue to come in illegally, as opposed to legally, if they can just walk across the border?

You didn't answer my question.  You first.

[jmyrlefuller]

It's not that Americans won't do them. It's that they won't do them for the compensation being offered—and when there are those that will, the employers will redline them with bogus prerequisites.

[Oceander]

It's not that Americans won't do them. It's that they won't do them for the compensation being offered—and when there are those that will, the employers will redline them with bogus prerequisites.

That's the basic meaning of refusing to do a job: won't do it for the pay offered.  There are plenty of jobs that plenty of Americans won't do.

[Emjay]

George W. Bush wasn't really Conservative.  He was always pandering to Presidente Fox.  One time Fox came and was dictating how people from his country should be treated.  I thought to myself there is a Fox in the hen house.

Please don't start.  The hatred of a good man and the Last Good President on this forum infuriates me. 

[Emjay]

This discussion reminds me of something I read a few days ago while relatives were visiting from the Mainland.

It was about the sugar cane industry in Maui.  When we lived in Haiku, we passed fields of sugar cane every day and there was a huge Sugar processing plant on the Island.  Sugar cane had always grown here but the fields had been worked by natives and then the native population was decimated by diseases brought over by immigrants.  Native Hawaiians wouldn't work the plants ....they preferred to farm and fish.

Plantation owners imported workers from China, Japan, Korea, Portugal and The Philippines, eventually turning Hawaii into a melting pot with no majority population.

Sugar is gone now.  The old plant, a major employer for years, is closed.  We hope sugar will come back.