BREAKING: Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades

[Longmire]

#nevertrump sleeps in I'm With Her onesies 

[XenaLee]

As a person who is voting for Trump (to be quite honest Johnson is flake and I don't like flakes), in order for the candidate to good, the candidate needs to be called out on their mistakes. Trump should have released his taxes in the primary. Not this stupid cat and mouse game.

It's too late now.   If he had released them during the primaries, for the sake of transparency, it (the buzz and controversy) would all be over by now.  Now, if he releases them (he won't).... it will be perceived that he was forced to by Hillary operatives and he won't get credit for ANY semblance of transparency.  He blew it, as he is wont to do on most everything he does  (except for making money).

[LMAO]

#nevertrump sleeps in I'm With Her onesies 

Blah, blah, blah

The old tried and failed "if you don't like Trump you must love Hillary" line to explain away his own quagmire

And I have even defended him on occasion but that doesn't mean I'll abandon conservatism to do it nor be shy about calling him out on his stupid strategy

[Sanguine]

Let me put it another way....

If he were a private citizen applying for a job at the White House to iron table cloths, he would have to release all of his tax returns and disclose a lot more in the security background check. Wouldn't we expect just as much disclosure for someone applying for the Commander in Chief Job- in the very least, the same background check as the most basic of staff.

We all cheered when DCLeaks dumped the DNC emails, many of which were private correspondence, and Wikileaks put out Hillary's emails and Clinton Foundation records.

Wikileaks will be releasing a lot more of Hillary's emails on Tuesday. Are we supposed to be disturbed or cheer her private correspondence released.

Remember Clinton Foundation financial records were released just like this, and we cheered that.  You can't get it both ways. Either we want the light shining on all of it or none of it.

The fact of the matter is these are no longer private citizens, they are applying for the very public job, and the most important job, and both of them have been trying to hide information that you or I would be required to release if we were applying for far less.

Hillary's emails were not "private correspondence".  She was employed by us and, in theory at least, working for us.  Since she did not segregate yoga emails from State Department emails, she had no private emails.  Now if she had followed the rules and had kept ONLY private emails on her email server, then I would agree that they shouldn't be released.  Since she commingled everything there are not private vs. work boundaries.

[GrouchoTex]

It is rational and logical to examine all candidates, and discuss their failings.
We have a civic duty to do so, regardless where that information may lead us.

In this case:

(1) In order  to alert someone that they may be making a bad choice (stop Hillary).
(2) In order that the candidate you support might right the ship in time (help Trump).

While he has had moments lately where he has done better, unfortunately, Trump hasn't changed that much and his campaign staff hasn't had a lot of luck in changing him.

[sinkspur]

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[Luis Gonzalez]

I feel badly about our long-gone friendship too, Luis.   Don't be a b*tch.

The fact is that you're wrong in your best-case theory that somebody from Trump Tower mailed the tax return pages.

You can and should do better than that.

You're right. I have theories and they may be wrong.

You however apparently have become omniscient since deciding to support Trump.

[sinkspur]

Alex Burns ‏@alexburnsNYT  59m59 minutes ago
So while Trump has been repeating "follow the money" as a mantra, an amazing team of investigators did. This is where it wound up.

[driftdiver]

What kind of fiduciary obligation does a business owner have to not lose a billion dollars in a single year?

I don't like Trump but your arguments are ridiculous.    As long as what he did was legal then why should he pay tax he's not required.

[kevindavis007]

If Trump was smart, he could use this opportunity to say that the taxes needs to be reformed.

[driftdiver]

Alex Burns ‏@alexburnsNYT  59m59 minutes ago
So while Trump has been repeating "follow the money" as a mantra, an amazing team of investigators did. This is where it wound up.

NYT illegally obtained and released private information.   They are in the bag for the communists.   

Trump should have released his records.   Theft isn't the answer.

[Blizzardnh]

If Trump was smart, he could use this opportunity to say that the taxes needs to be reformed.

I think the statement put out kinda hit on that. I would have to reread it.

[Longmire]

NYT illegally obtained and released private information.   They are in the bag for the communists.   

More specifically, the NYT biggest shareholder is a Mexican oligarch, which explains mas mucho about their motivations.

[ABX]

some folks here say they are not voting for Trump or illery , so I went back thru the politics threads a couple of pages.
 One person had over fifteen anti trump stories and zero anti hillary stories. How odd.
Makes ya wonder about motive.

It goes both ways. We have an entire section here dedicated to Hillary scandals. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,71.0.html  Look at all those 1 or 0 reply topics, with the exception of Unknown, no Trump supporter cares to reply or comment on them, or even bump them to the top.

The same logic you are using could be applied to that- the theory Trump is helping Hillary could be applied to those who claim to be Trump supporters letting Hillary scandal topics bet buried.

I don't see where you've started any Hillary scandal topic either so judging based on the accusation you threw out, what should one conclude?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=116076

[Luis Gonzalez]

It goes both ways. We have an entire section here dedicated to Hillary scandals. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,71.0.html  Look at all those 1 or 0 reply topics, with the exception of Unknown, no Trump supporter cares to reply or comment on them, or even bump them to the top.

The same logic you are using could be applied to that- the theory Trump is helping Hillary could be applied to those who claim to be Trump supporters letting Hillary scandal topics bet buried.

I don't see where you've started any Hillary scandal topic either so judging based on the accusation you threw out, what should one conclude?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=116076

That's going to leave a mark.

 

[LMAO]

It goes both ways. We have an entire section here dedicated to Hillary scandals. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,71.0.html  Look at all those 1 or 0 reply topics, with the exception of Unknown, no Trump supporter cares to reply or comment on them, or even bump them to the top.

The same logic you are using could be applied to that- the theory Trump is helping Hillary could be applied to those who claim to be Trump supporters letting Hillary scandal topics bet buried.

I don't see where you've started any Hillary scandal topic either so judging based on the accusation you threw out, what should one conclude?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=116076

@AbaraXas

I'm safe in assuming that there is a consensus here that a Hillary presidency will be as corrupt, incompetent yet disastrous, and scandal ridden as we have seen up to this point.

The disagreement revolves around whether Trump the counter to that.

[ABX]

Back on topic.....


The real story here isn't that he avoided paying taxes, anyone would try to do that as much as possible....

..the real story is the almost one billion dollar loss, a massive amount for an enterprise of his size...

...which begs the question- who bailed him out?

[Blizzardnh]

It goes both ways. We have an entire section here dedicated to Hillary scandals. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,71.0.html  Look at all those 1 or 0 reply topics, with the exception of Unknown, no Trump supporter cares to reply or comment on them, or even bump them to the top.

The same logic you are using could be applied to that- the theory Trump is helping Hillary could be applied to those who claim to be Trump supporters letting Hillary scandal topics bet buried.

I don't see where you've started any Hillary scandal topic either so judging based on the accusation you threw out, what should one conclude?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=116076

I don't claim to be against both  and just bash one side. I don't think I have put out stories on either.
To claim to not want either one of these guys then constantly trash one says volumes. like it or not.

[ABX]

@AbaraXas

I'm safe in assuming that there is a consensus here that a Hillary presidency will be as corrupt, incompetent yet disastrous, and scandal ridden as we have seen up to this point.

The disagreement revolves around whether Trump the counter to that.

I agree.. they are both criminally corrupt and the absolute worst our country could put up for such an important job.. (and as many speculate, in cahoots).

In some ways, the posts here follow the old axiom, keep your own house in order first.

Hillary is a known corrupt criminal figure.

Trump is being painted by many as some sort of demi-god savior of the Republic.

It is just as important to tear down golden calves as it is to fight known demons.

[sinkspur]

I don't like Trump but your arguments are ridiculous.    As long as what he did was legal then why should he pay tax he's not required.

Maybe because he went bankrupt while owning a casino? 

Taking the Fifth is legal too, but people draw conclusions.

[sinkspur]

NYT illegally obtained and released private information.   They are in the bag for the communists.   

Trump should have released his records.   Theft isn't the answer.

Not theft.  These were sent to the Times by an outside source.

Take it up with the outside source.

[ABX]

$1 Billion dollar loss on a company at the time generating $300-$500 million in EBITDA revenue at the time;

Who bailed him out?

[sinkspur]

More specifically, the NYT biggest shareholder is a Mexican oligarch, which explains mas mucho about their motivations.

Of course.  I'm waiting for Trump to go after Carlos Slim because he's Mexican.

[Cyber Liberty]

Another weekend, another dirty trick.

[ABX]

This is interesting.

In 1990, Trump had to be bailed out for more than a billion dollars.

So just a few years after his empire almost collapsing and having to be bailed out for billions, he takes another billion billion dollar loss.

Restructuring, 1990-92

When the U.S. economy fell into recession in 1990, Trump's highly leveraged business empire threatened to collapse like a house of cards. Entities of the Trump Organization, or Donald Trump personally, had incurred more than $5 billion in debt--$8.8 billion, according to one source--of which almost $1 billion had been drawn solely on Trump's personal guarantee. Big New York banks had financed $3.75 billion worth of debt. They reduced their risk and collected fees by syndicating the loans to some 70 other banks, including British, French, German, and Japanese institutions. Most of this money was recovered after subsequent restructurings, but some $600 million to $800 million may have been lost. Forbes had estimated Trump's worth at $1.7 billion in 1989, making him the nation's 19th richest man, but two years later it assessed his worth at minus $900 million.

Read more: http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/72/Trump-Organization.html#ixzz4LwdpgxaS