Author Topic: Team Cruz on Trump’s immigration shift: Told you so (Read 8660 times)

Frank Cannon · « **on:** August 25, 2016, 02:27:00 am »

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/ted-cruz-donald-trump-vindication-227382

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As Donald Trump soft-pedals his once-hard-line immigration rhetoric, supporters of his vanquished primary foe Ted Cruz have one message for Republican voters: We told you so.

Cruz spent the final months of his unsuccessful presidential primary run arguing that Trump was a not-so-closeted liberal whose conservative language on immigration was not to be trusted. Now, Trump says he is open to “softening” the approach to some undocumented immigrants already in this country, a departure from his previous calls for a deportation force.

And as Ted Cruz eyes his 2018 reelection bid, with some of his supporters holding out hopes for a 2020 presidential run, Cruz world feels vindicated.

"Everything Trump promises comes with an expiration date,” said Cruz’s former Senate communications director, Amanda Carpenter. “We knew it during the primary, and now it is apparent he has duped his most loyal supporters on the issue they care about most, immigration. Don't say we didn't warn them."

The Texas senator has been dealing with plenty of political fallout of his own after refusing to endorse Trump in his speech at the Republican National Convention, a move that generated anger among Trump supporters nationally and has stoked chatter of a primary challenge against Cruz in Texas.

But Trump’s rhetorical contortions on immigration this week are giving Cruz supporters in and around his orbit more hope that anger over the RNC speech, and over his broader opposition to Trump, will fade. They are optimistic that the deeply conservative Cruz will emerge from November looking prescient in his warnings that Trump couldn’t be trusted to defend core GOP values, and say that Trump’s shifting on immigration language this week only proves Cruz’s point.

“It vindicates the speech, it vindicates what Ted Cruz warned would happen during the course of the campaign,” said Chris Wilson, the director of research, analytics and digital strategy on Cruz’s campaign and a top Cruz adviser who has always argued that the RNC speech would be remembered favorably. He went on to add, “I do think, yes, the immigration point is another data point that he was right, it’s another data point that leads people to understand Ted Cruz knew what he was talking about, he was making the right decision.”

Over the past several days, Trump’s position on immigration has become muddled. While the Republican nominee was once staunchly in favor of deportation forces that would target undocumented immigrants and send them back to their countries of origin, he appears to have backed off that position somewhat, likening his view now to that of President Barack Obama.

“What people don't know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country,” Trump said on Fox News on Monday night, noting that he was going to focus on removing “the bad ones.” “Bush, the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. Well, I'm going to do the same thing."

He added later that he would do so “perhaps with a lot more energy.”

Asked by Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Tuesday whether accommodations would be made for “those people that contribute to society, have been law-abiding, have kids here,” Trump replied, “There certainly can be a softening, because we're not looking to hurt people.”

His campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, said on CNN over the weekend that it is “to be determined” whether Trump still backs a deportation force. He postponed an immigration-related speech that was planned for Thursday in Colorado as he continues to speak to people “to understand how to execute on those ideas,” Conway said on Fox News earlier this week.

Cruz backers are quick to characterize Trump’s emerging position as amnesty.

“From what I have seen, he is now the pro-amnesty candidate,” said Rick Tyler, a former campaign communications director for Cruz. “If Trump is insistent on reversing himself on amnesty, then he will have fooled his entire base. He would have fooled enough people who voted for him to make him the Republican nominee. It’s deceitful; it was a betrayal.”

Trump’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment, though in an interview with Hannity on Wednesday, Trump insisted, “There's no amnesty, as such; there's no amnesty, but we work with them.”

Gov Bean Counter · « **Reply #1 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:28:38 am »

Jeff Sessions...

Here's your sign.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #2 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:31:03 am »

Senator Cruz......right once again.

Cripplecreek · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:33:02 am »

Oceander · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:33:15 am »

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While the Republican nominee was once staunchly in favor of deportation forces that would target undocumented immigrants and send them back to their countries of origin, he appears to have backed off that position somewhat, likening his view now to that of President Barack Obama.

I'm emphasizing the crucial part of Trump's statement. That pretty much describes the real Trump, more or less a lite version of Obama.

Vulcan · « **Reply #5 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:37:27 am »

XenaLee · « **Reply #6 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:38:26 am »

Quote from: Oceander on August 25, 2016, 02:33:15 am

I'm emphasizing the crucial part of Trump's statement. That pretty much describes the real Trump, more or less a lite version of Obama.

Which also makes him "Hillary-lite"....since Hillary is "Obama-lite".

TomSea · « **Reply #7 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:45:13 am »

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

Oceander · « **Reply #8 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:52:24 am »

Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 02:45:13 am

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

Trust a Trumpkin to try to dance around the point. The point is this: Donald Trump just flipped on his immigration "promises" that he made to you - the reason why you supported him - putting the lie to everything he's said. Whatever anyone else may or may not have done is utterly irrelevant. What matters is what Trump did, and what he just did is prove just what gullible marks Trumpkins are.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #9 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:52:36 am »

Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 02:45:13 am

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

That's all bullshit Tom, but post whatever drivel you like. Your guy is a 100% fraud, thief and a liar and you have absolutely nothing to defend him with now.

BTW Donny thinks Zero is doing a great job on immigration. Wouldn't change a thing as a matter of fact. Doesn't that make you feel like a jackass to still be pimping for him after telling us what a strong leader he would be on immigration?

geronl · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:54:11 am »

Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 02:45:13 am

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

deport on contact, denial of benefits and services, e-verify for all jobs etc etc is common sense stuff

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #11 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:59:34 am »

Quote from: geronl on August 25, 2016, 02:54:11 am

deport on contact, denial of benefits and services, e-verify for all jobs etc etc is common sense stuff

It's far more effective than Donnie new and improved plan......just keep doing what Obama is doing.

Gov Bean Counter · « **Reply #12 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:00:27 am »

Contrast that with Cruz's position that when identified illegals will be returned to their country of origin. Criminals (including those who broke the law to get into the US) wouldn't be allowed to immigrate to the US. Period. Forget about going to the end of the line. They don't even get in the line.

Taxcontrol · « **Reply #13 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:08:54 am »

sigh - too late now
Once again the GOP has pulled a bait and switch. I have come to the conclusion that the GOP party is beyond repair. When the GOP nominee says that he does not need conservatives to win an election, when conservative candidates are fought by the party, when conservative ideas are not desired and are rejected without consideration .... then I know that the party has left me.

So, during the convention, I switched parties. Not much of a an impact, I know. Perhaps if enough of those who are conservative and fed up with the two parties do the same, then the GOP will halt is leftward shift and return to the right. However, I fear that any change in the party is too little, too late.

Oceander · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:48:54 am »

Norm Lenhart · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2016, 03:56:18 am »

Quote from: Taxcontrol on August 25, 2016, 03:08:54 am

sigh - too late now
Once again the GOP has pulled a bait and switch. I have come to the conclusion that the GOP party is beyond repair. When the GOP nominee says that he does not need conservatives to win an election, when conservative candidates are fought by the party, when conservative ideas are not desired and are rejected without consideration .... then I know that the party has left me.

So, during the convention, I switched parties. Not much of a an impact, I know. Perhaps if enough of those who are conservative and fed up with the two parties do the same, then the GOP will halt is leftward shift and return to the right. However, I fear that any change in the party is too little, too late.

When Donnie steps down/is thrown out, and he will be, Romney will be there and the GOP will run him. I predicted this a long time ago...that he would be the candidate. Ultimately, one way or another, the GOP will front him and people will vote for him again, regardless of how he trashed every conservative at every opportunity and regardless of his side business BBQing the dead babies his own laws created.

Emjay · « **Reply #16 on:** August 25, 2016, 04:05:27 am »

Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 02:45:13 am

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

There is nothing as pointless as posting a bunch of links ... particularly when we know exactly where you are coming from. How about posting your own thoughts instead?

kartographer · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2016, 05:07:44 am »

Quote from: TomSea on August 25, 2016, 02:45:13 am

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

So you hammered Cruz as a flip flopper and give Trump a pass? Hypocrite much? This is exactly why so many don't like Trump his Acolytes. Do as we say not as Trump does.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2016, 05:12:51 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on August 25, 2016, 02:59:34 am

It's far more effective than Donnie new and improved plan......just keep doing what Obama is doing.

Does that include fast-tracking muslims from conflict areas?

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2016, 05:17:27 am »

Quote from: Unlimited on August 25, 2016, 05:13:15 am

But what will happen to the wall smack dab down the middle of the Rio Grande for 1200 miles? We gotta have the wall! The wall!

Even engineers had fits when I brought up the difficulty in building that through 1954 miles of varying geology, topography, climate, etc...because...TRUMP!!!

Now it won't be a problem, because it won't happen.

(but we knew that.)

See how fast those pesky construction issues go away?

roamer_1 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2016, 05:30:21 am »

Quote from: Smokin Joe on August 25, 2016, 05:17:27 am

Now it won't be a problem, because it won't happen. (but we knew that.)
See how fast those pesky construction issues go away?

Wait, wait... You're going to fast - They have to get 5 billion dollars allotted before they shut it down...

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2016, 05:41:05 am »

Quote from: roamer_1 on August 25, 2016, 05:30:21 am

Wait, wait... You're going to fast - They have to get 5 billion dollars allotted before they shut it down...

Five billion? No problem, they'll just siphon it off of the defense budget.

geronl · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2016, 08:50:09 am »

Quote from: Norm Lenhart on August 25, 2016, 03:56:18 am

When Donnie steps down/is thrown out, and he will be, Romney will be there and the GOP will run him. I predicted this a long time ago...that he would be the candidate.

Trump will back out when it is too late to replace him, even with a loser like Romney

geronl · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2016, 09:00:07 am »

Quote from: kartographer on August 25, 2016, 05:07:44 am

So you hammered Cruz as a flip flopper and give Trump a pass? Hypocrite much? This is exactly why so many don't like Trump his Acolytes. Do as we say not as Trump does.

Ted Cruz has had the same position since he ran for the Senate. He was and is correct.

He will never be forgiven for being right.

Trump is still running against Cruz, this is simply insane.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #24 on:** August 25, 2016, 11:03:49 am »

Good to see Trump finally jettisoning rhetoric in favor of reality. We have neither the money nor the will to build a 1,500-mile physical wall, or to round up and deport 11 million souls.

I've never been averse to a comprehensive immigration solution, where we fix our immigration policy - and enforce it going forward - in exchange for normalizing those already here who've kept their noses clean.