Team Cruz on Trump’s immigration shift: Told you so

[ConstitutionRose]

Trust a Trumpkin to try to dance around the point.  The point is this:  Donald Trump just flipped on his immigration "promises" that he made to you - the reason why you supported him - putting the lie to everything he's said.  Whatever anyone else may or may not have done is utterly irrelevant.  What matters is what Trump did, and what he just did is prove just what gullible marks Trumpkins are.

Tom Sea was the 1st to grace my ignore list so I only "see" his posts if quoted.   I read the links thinking I would give him that benefit.   The links are simply a rehash of the maneuverings around the Gang of 8 bill.  The same old trash that went on during the Primaries when Trump supporters claimed that represented Cruz position. 

Not only is the post off topic it repeats outright untruths.

[skeeter]

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

It would reflect much better on you if you'd just admit to being wrong.

[TomSea]

And Cruz's plan, legal residency to illegals, more green cards, H1B1 visas expansion. Not much meat in these anti-Trump articles. 

Cruz Tries to Claim the Middle Ground on Immigration
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/us/cruz-tries-to-claim-the-middle-ground-on-immigration.html?_r=0

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/ted-cruz-s-flat-out-lie-on-immigration.html

Enforcement of the laws, that's what Trump is offering. As has been said, if we apply existing laws, we don't need new ones.

No citizenship nor nada.

[TomSea]

Tom Sea was the 1st to grace my ignore list so I only "see" his posts if quoted.   I read the links thinking I would give him that benefit.   The links are simply a rehash of the maneuverings around the Gang of 8 bill.  The same old trash that went on during the Primaries when Trump supporters claimed that represented Cruz position. 

Not only is the post off topic it repeats outright untruths.

Try your personal attacks, and go cry to the moderator.


no personal attacks

[TomSea]

Trust a Trumpkin to try to dance around the point.  The point is this:  Donald Trump just flipped on his immigration "promises" that he made to you - the reason why you supported him - putting the lie to everything he's said.  Whatever anyone else may or may not have done is utterly irrelevant.  What matters is what Trump did, and what he just did is prove just what gullible marks Trumpkins are.

 my position is the same as Conservatives like Perry, Gingrich, etc. is.

You don't have jack crap that Trump gave up his position.

Jeff Sessions is a real conservative, Joe Arpaio has not abandoned him.

Idiots accusing others of being Trumpkins, no, I support whom the candidate nominates.

that don't know I voted for Cruz.

Maybe Trump has backed down from "mass deportations"; every president makes changes.


no personal attacks

[XenaLee]

Who cares what a cry baby idiot like you says.
 
Try your personal attacks, and go cry to the moderator.

Wow.  Just wow.   You make a personal attack....call someone (else) an idiot.....and accuse someone (else) of making a personal attack in the process.

Did you train for this?  Or does it just come naturally.  (rhetorical ?)

[TomSea]

Cruz likewise altered his position, Numbers USA documented the change.

If one person had a Conservative view throughout, that was Rick Santorum.

Cruz also came out for "legal residency" for illegals.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/03/senator_ted_cruzs_contradictory_position_on_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/ted-cruz-immigration-h1-b-visas/index.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-ted-cruz-opens-up-on-immigration/article/2530773

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-immigration/

This is off-topic? Cruz's immigration position when this thread is on Cruz?

[Night Hides Not]

my position is the same as Conservatives like Perry, Gingrich, etc. is.

You don't have jack crap that Trump gave up his position.

Jeff Sessions is a real conservative, Joe Arpaio has not abandoned him.

Idiots accusing others of being Trumpkins, no, I support whom the candidate nominates.

  that don't know I voted for Cruz.

Maybe Trump has backed down from "mass deportations"; every president makes changes.

This change from Trump IMHO ranks right up there with Bush 41's "read my lips".

[XenaLee]

Hey Dumb Ass, my position is the same as Conservatives like Perry, Gingrich, etc. is.

You don't have jack crap that Trump gave up his position.

Jeff Sessions is a real conservative, Joe Arpaio has not abandoned him.

Idiots accusing others of being Trumpkins, no, I support whom the candidate nominates.

Or idiots like Constitution Rose, bullying morons,  that don't know I voted for Cruz.

Maybe Trump has backed down from "mass deportations"; every president makes changes.

Oh look.   Another leftie-like poster supporting Trump that can't discuss issues without name-calling. 

Shocking (not).

[TomSea]

Try your personal attacks, and go cry to the moderator.


no personal attacks

Then, why are people like Constitution Rose allowed to say "I've put you on ignore", this is a personal attack.

Why don't the mods enforce this??

Or Oceander calling me a "Trumpkin"? Why is the law not enforced for these people? This is tiring?

I am a Republican supporting the Republican candidate.

[TomSea]

Tom Sea was the 1st to grace my ignore list so I only "see" his posts if quoted.   I read the links thinking I would give him that benefit.   The links are simply a rehash of the maneuverings around the Gang of 8 bill.  The same old trash that went on during the Primaries when Trump supporters claimed that represented Cruz position. 

Not only is the post off topic it repeats outright untruths.

When are the mods going to enforce action on these personal attacks?

People attack anyone who supports the nominee viciously.  I've never even addressed this person. Why are their remarks not deleted?

This bullying is allowed to occur all the time.

[Just_Victor]

Then, why are people like Constitution Rose allowed to say "I've put you on ignore", this is a personal attack.

Why don't the mods enforce this??

Or Oceander calling me a "Trumpkin"? Why is the law not enforced for these people? This is tiring?

I am a Republican supporting the Republican candidate.

"I've put you on ignore", is not a personal attack it is a statement of fact (not for me, for CR).

You're calling others names, and they have done no such thing to you.  Grow up.

[Night Hides Not]

Wow.  Just wow.   You make a personal attack....call someone (else) an idiot.....and accuse someone (else) of making a personal attack in the process.

Did you train for this?  Or does it just come naturally.  (rhetorical ?)

When the facts don't support your position, personal attacks are all that's left in the toolbag.

Or as Francisco d'Anconia might say, "check your premises." Admittedly, I should have used that first, instead of my Otter-Flounder analogy. Then again, far more people have seen Animal House than read Atlas Shrugged.

OTOH, far more Democrats have read Atlas Shrugged than the Affordable Care Act.

[mystery-ak]

Putting someone on ignore is not a personal attack...calling someone a dumbass is..

Come one Tom...you know better and don't descend into name calling you are a great asset to TBR with your posting of articles.

[XenaLee]

Then, why are people like Constitution Rose allowed to say "I've put you on ignore", this is a personal attack.

Why don't the mods enforce this??

Or Oceander calling me a "Trumpkin"? Why is the law not enforced for these people? This is tiring?

I am a Republican supporting the Republican candidate.

Now.....openly questioning moderation.   Zowie.  You're on a roll here.  Haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet.

Good show!

[mystery-ak]

Tom does have a point....I see bullying on both sides and it needs to stop.

We are all adults here and these tit-for-tat posts are childish.

Please make your point in a civil discourse......please

[XenaLee]

When the facts don't support your position, personal attacks are all that's left in the toolbag.

Or as Francisco d'Anconia might say, "check your premises." Admittedly, I should have used that first, instead of my Otter-Flounder analogy. Then again, far more people have seen Animal House than read Atlas Shrugged.

OTOH, far more Democrats have read Atlas Shrugged than the Affordable Care Act.

Yeah....I know.   But this poster attacked me unjustly once....just because I'm anti-Trump.  I just think it's ironic that he's having a meltdown due to his idol-worship crashing down around him....and resorting to the same thing he has falsely accused me of doing. 

[TomSea]

Saying to someone "So and so is the first person I put on my ignore list" is a way to hold up a person to ridicule.

Okay, if this is allowed to stand.

I note Constitution Rose went out of her/his way to hold out someone up to ridicule for merely posting their opinion that merely said Cruz has altered his position as well.  Holding one up to ridicule likewise is highly personal. You can't tell me that. What does this have to do with the topic.

Yet, posting how Cruz changed his position is off-topic?

I said my post to no one; but was still insulted no matter how one tries to spin that.

[Smokin Joe]

Then, why are people like Constitution Rose allowed to say "I've put you on ignore", this is a personal attack.

Why don't the mods enforce this??

Or Oceander calling me a "Trumpkin"? Why is the law not enforced for these people? This is tiring?

I am a Republican supporting the Republican candidate.

Ignore is a feature of the site. It has probably saved you from a considerable amount of invective. If you consider being put on ignore a personal attack, you just got hit again.
Hell, I have one of the OWNERS on ignore. It is a nice feature, and can save a lot of enmity.
Have a nice day.

[Night Hides Not]

Yeah....I know.   But this poster attacked me unjustly once....just because I'm anti-Trump.  I just think it's ironic that he's having a meltdown due to his idol-worship crashing down around him....and resorting to the same thing he has falsely accused me of doing.

Here's a couple of memes that you can use:







A picture is worth a thousand words!

[XenaLee]

Ted Cruz has had the same position since he ran for the Senate. He was and is correct.

He will never be forgiven for being right.

Trump is still running against Cruz, this is simply insane.

And as evidenced by this thread.....Trump's supporters are still running against Cruz. 

Sheer idiocy.  But the "look at Cruz!" screeching will continue.  It's really all they have at this point in Trump's (as Ted predicted) capitulation. 

[TomSea]

Putting someone on ignore is not a personal attack..

The action is not,  I may do that on my control panel. That is not a personal attack.

Stating it to grandstand in a certain way in a forum is a way to marginalize someone and I think a clear personal attack.

[catfish1957]

Try your personal attacks, and go cry to the moderator.

Coming from the guy who specifically said that Never-Trump folks  are allies of alQueda and ISIS?

Aren't you tired of being hypocritical?

[XenaLee]

Here's a couple of memes that you can use:







A picture is worth a thousand words!

Lol!   I rarely use the Ignore Feature.  Have only used it for a scant few posters over the past almost two decades, in fact.  I believe I've used it for spammers or for anyone posting vulgarity.  Other than that, I like to see what's being posted.  It's a character flaw (Pandora).

[TomSea]

Tom Sea was the 1st to grace my ignore list so I only "see" his posts if quoted.   I read the links thinking I would give him that benefit.   The links are simply a rehash of the maneuverings around the Gang of 8 bill.  The same old trash that went on during the Primaries when Trump supporters claimed that represented Cruz position. 

Not only is the post off topic it repeats outright untruths.

Anyone using the cowardly bullying statements "someone is on my ignore list" in a public forum has whatever is coming to them if they are called something in my book.

These personal attacks as the above statement  is are made to avoid an honest discourse of the issues.

To say Cruz's immigration positions have nothing to do with what is discussed is ridiculous.

Why even mention an individual person unless the purpose is to be personal?