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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #750 on: May 06, 2026, 04:45:05 pm »
The difference is that Iran is completely unreliable, nothing can be trusted at all.  Even the Soviets weren't this bad!  "Trust but verify" made more sense back then.  Iran is completely whack!
Even completely whack has a psychology behind it. It has motivations, no matter how convoluted or obscure.
Trump is a master of getting inside heads.
I'ma wait and see how this plays out.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #751 on: May 06, 2026, 05:36:50 pm »
The difference is that Iran is completely unreliable, nothing can be trusted at all.  Even the Soviets weren't this bad!  "Trust but verify" made more sense back then.  Iran is completely whack!
USSR was never to be trusted. Decades of deceit beginning with the theft of nuclear formula.
Yet Reagan trusted first.

And Libya was more reliable than the Mullahs back then?

Better go back and refresh on the Libyan terrorists camps operating to spread terror around the world.  Like Pan Am Flight 103.

Ghaddafi taught the Mullahs how to spread terror and he was seeking the bomb way back then. He gave it up under Reagan even though we did not pound Libya into the ground.  Just one show of force did the trick and it stuck in his craw.

I'll say it again:  There are actions in the background we know nothing about.

Also, I will not rule out that Reagan said trust but verity but actually did the opposite.  :beer:
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #752 on: May 06, 2026, 05:36:55 pm »
sure..whatever


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« Reply #753 on: May 06, 2026, 06:09:33 pm »
Trump takes sharp turn toward ending Iran war

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by Colin Meyn and Ellen Mitchell
05/06/26

President Trump announced a sudden end to his operation to break Iran’s hold on the Strait of Hormuz on Tuesday night, hours before reports emerged that Washington and Tehran are closing in on a framework of a deal to end the war.

The president again threatened to resume bombing if the deal falls through, but Trump’s moves underline his desire for an off-ramp as economic pain and political pressure mount.

According to Axios, the latest version of a one-page memorandum of understanding between the two sides would create a 30-day window to negotiate a more detailed agreement to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, throttle Iran’s nuclear program and lift U.S. sanctions. Both sides would ease their blockades on shipping through the strait during that period.

“Assuming Iran agrees to give what has been agreed to, which is, perhaps, a big assumption, the already legendary Epic Fury will be at an end, and the highly effective Blockade will allow the Hormuz Strait to be OPEN TO ALL, including Iran,” Trump wrote in a social media post on Wednesday morning.

“If they don’t agree, the bombing starts, and it will be, sadly, at a much higher level and intensity than it was before.”

Hein Goemans, a political science professor at the University of Rochester who specializes in war termination, was skeptical that either side was willing to make the necessary concessions to reach a long-term peace deal.

And whatever commitments Iran makes to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, all sides now recognize its military can shut it down again, wreaking havoc on global energy markets.

“They can say whatever they want about the Strait of Hormuz, but that ship has sailed. It is, surprisingly, a diplomatic victory for Iran — a military victory for the United States, but a diplomatic victory for Iran,” he said.

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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5866212-trump-iran-war-sharp-turn/

Everyone with any common sense can easily see that Iran is playing Trump for a fool.
It appears Trump wants to differentiate this first military action from any that may follow strictly for the sake of the 60 day limit.  He seems to want the clock to reset to 60 days if another action is needed.  At least that's my take on what Trump and Rubio said.

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« Reply #754 on: May 06, 2026, 06:12:52 pm »
It appears Trump wants to differentiate this first military action from any that may follow strictly for the sake of the 60 day limit.  He seems to want the clock to reset to 60 days if another action is needed.  At least that's my take on what Trump and Rubio said.

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #755 on: May 06, 2026, 06:26:30 pm »
It appears Trump wants to differentiate this first military action from any that may follow strictly for the sake of the 60 day limit.  He seems to want the clock to reset to 60 days if another action is needed.  At least that's my take on what Trump and Rubio said.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #756 on: May 06, 2026, 06:51:44 pm »
Executed Iranian prisoners described torture before death, report says

Three Iranian prisoners executed over the weekend described torture, forced confessions and denied legal rights in messages shared with The Jerusalem Post before their deaths, according to a report citing the Kurdistan Human Rights Network.

Yaghoub Karimpour, 43, and Nasser Bakerzadeh, 26, were hanged Saturday, while Mehrab Abdollahzadeh, 28, was executed Sunday at Orumiyeh Central Prison. None were granted final visits with their families, the report said.

Karimpour, who was accused of espionage, said he confessed under pressure after authorities threatened his wife. “Many things were dictated to me, and I wrote untruths involuntarily and out of helplessness,” he wrote.

Bakerzadeh, also accused of spying, said he endured months of solitary confinement and “severe psychological torture.”

Abdollahzadeh, who denied involvement in a protest-related killing, said he was beaten for days and coerced into confessing. “I am completely innocent, but they want to make me a scapegoat,” he said.

According to the report, all three cases involved allegations of coerced confessions, lack of legal representation and trials lasting only minutes.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #757 on: May 06, 2026, 06:53:11 pm »
Map shows US warships massed near Iran as Carrier Group departs


An updated graphic map showing U.S. military assets in the Middle East. (Fox News)

An updated map of U.S. naval assets in the Middle East shows a sustained American military presence near Iran, even as one major carrier group rotates out.

The USS Gerald R. Ford carrier strike group has departed the region, while the USS Boxer Amphibious Ready Group is moving through the Indian Ocean toward the Arabian Sea, signaling a repositioning rather than a drawdown.

The map shows a dense concentration of U.S. warships across key zones, including the Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, Red Sea and eastern Mediterranean.

Multiple guided-missile destroyers, amphibious ships and support vessels remain positioned near the Strait of Hormuz.

The continued presence comes as the U.S. maintains its naval blockade on Iranian ports and presses forward with negotiations over Tehran’s nuclear program.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #758 on: May 06, 2026, 09:06:32 pm »
Here we go again  -- another deadline (sigh) 

Live Updates: Trump gives Iran one week to make deal with US, as IDF strikes Hezbollah in Beirut

US President Donald Trump predicted on Wednesday night that the war in Iran will be over quickly, as he seeks a deal to end the stalemate over the Strait of Hormuz and Tehran's nuclear program.

"When you look at the kind of things that are happening, we are doing that for one very important reason: We cannot allow them to have a nuclear weapon. So I think most people understand that. They understand that what we are doing is right, and it'll be over quickly," Trump told a tele-rally for Georgia Republican gubernatorial candidate Burt Jones.......

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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #759 on: May 06, 2026, 09:14:33 pm »
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« Reply #760 on: May 06, 2026, 09:21:08 pm »
So China brokered the deal?



https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2052184567470067863
Iran has nothing if it does not have China.

No oil revenue due to blockade, all its neighbors against it.  Nothing.
And China needs the oil.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #761 on: May 06, 2026, 09:53:12 pm »

Here we go again  -- another deadline (sigh) 

Live Updates: Trump gives Iran one week to make deal with US, as IDF strikes Hezbollah in Beirut

US President Donald Trump predicted on Wednesday night that the war in Iran will be over quickly, as he seeks a deal to end the stalemate over the Strait of Hormuz and Tehran's nuclear program.

"When you look at the kind of things that are happening, we are doing that for one very important reason: We cannot allow them to have a nuclear weapon. So I think most people understand that. They understand that what we are doing is right, and it'll be over quickly," Trump told a tele-rally for Georgia Republican gubernatorial candidate Burt Jones.......
This is a huge WIN for Iran. The only goal of the Mullahs and the IRGC is to live for another day. Each time Trump gives them a week, or ten days, or thirty days, the Iranian regime is popping champagne. They stopped Epic Fury with a bogus ceasefire which they never adhered to. Now they have stopped Project Freedom by promising some kind of "deal", which I am sure they will laugh at while signing it.

Every time Iran stops American military action and get a "temporary postponement", this is considered a major victory to them. Whew! We have another week to murder dissidents and to dig out hidden missiles. If Trump thinks Iran is ever going to surrender for real, he is a fool. Everything they say is a lie. Everything they do is intended to keep them in power for as long as possible. The very first thing Iran will do after they sign a "deal" is to begin to prepare for the next war with Israel and America.

They can never surrender because they are acting on behalf of Allah. And Allah never surrenders. Allah can never be defeated.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #762 on: May 07, 2026, 06:52:19 am »
This is a huge WIN for Iran. The only goal of the Mullahs and the IRGC is to live for another day. Each time Trump gives them a week, or ten days, or thirty days, the Iranian regime is popping champagne. They stopped Epic Fury with a bogus ceasefire which they never adhered to. Now they have stopped Project Freedom by promising some kind of "deal", which I am sure they will laugh at while signing it.

Every time Iran stops American military action and get a "temporary postponement", this is considered a major victory to them. Whew! We have another week to murder dissidents and to dig out hidden missiles. If Trump thinks Iran is ever going to surrender for real, he is a fool. Everything they say is a lie. Everything they do is intended to keep them in power for as long as possible. The very first thing Iran will do after they sign a "deal" is to begin to prepare for the next war with Israel and America.

They can never surrender because they are acting on behalf of Allah. And Allah never surrenders. Allah can never be defeated.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #763 on: May 07, 2026, 07:39:36 am »
This is a huge WIN for Iran. The only goal of the Mullahs and the IRGC is to live for another day. Each time Trump gives them a week, or ten days, or thirty days, the Iranian regime is popping champagne. They stopped Epic Fury with a bogus ceasefire which they never adhered to. Now they have stopped Project Freedom by promising some kind of "deal", which I am sure they will laugh at while signing it.

Every time Iran stops American military action and get a "temporary postponement", this is considered a major victory to them. Whew! We have another week to murder dissidents and to dig out hidden missiles. If Trump thinks Iran is ever going to surrender for real, he is a fool. Everything they say is a lie. Everything they do is intended to keep them in power for as long as possible. The very first thing Iran will do after they sign a "deal" is to begin to prepare for the next war with Israel and America.

They can never surrender because they are acting on behalf of Allah. And Allah never surrenders. Allah can never be defeated.

As some wag on TV put it, 47's negotiating style is like tacking into the wind - first go to port, then to starboard, so no one can divine the actual destination at any given point, just a general direction.

But with so many changes in direction, comes uncertainty, confusion, and eventual collapse. Its no longer about the Art of the Deal, but the Art of  Collapse, where any effort begun, no matter how successful, collapses on the point of victory.

47 talked about "unconditional surrender," but with the latest terms revealed, its the US who surrenders - leaving the Shia 12ers & the IRGC largely intact, surviving to rebuild with a massive cash influx, half of their missiles intact, the Strait and the nuclear material situation still under discussion, both issues easily sidestepped with a clever manipulation or disingenuous 'promise'. So it can be fairly said that 'help is on the way'.

While the world sits quietly at home, fondling its rising wealth, secure behind 47's Big Beautiful Deal, Iran deep underground, quietly rebuilds its nuclear weapons, loosing them at the first given opportunity, achieving the Dream of Allah as revealed to them ...

47 will go down in history, just not with the epitaph he imagines.

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« Reply #765 on: May 07, 2026, 02:38:21 pm »
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« Reply #766 on: May 07, 2026, 03:00:37 pm »
The odds of this ending well are diminishing by the day...

There are going to be serious consequences if it does fail.
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« Reply #767 on: May 07, 2026, 03:01:45 pm »
:facepalm:  What the hell is he doing....


https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2052444524295659886

I think we'd all like to know exactly what he's doing.  Project Freedom is still alive; on again, off again .... who knows...

Day 67 of Middle East conflict - Marco Rubio says Operation Epic Fury in Iran ‘is over’

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/05/world/live-news/iran-war-news

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« Reply #768 on: May 07, 2026, 03:09:39 pm »
The odds of this ending well are diminishing by the day...

There are going to be serious consequences if it does fail.

Well, I don't see that it has been a success; the control of the Strait of Hormuz is undeniably in question, Trump yesterday said he was going to unfreeze billions in Iranian assets and they still have uranium in an amount that is unknown.

I honestly don't know if the U.S. has accomplished anything other than taking out some key Iranians with one being Ayatollah Khomeini.  We've been told we've decimated their military and their navy, yet they still have a presence in the Strait. 

For the most part I think Rubio, Hegseth and Caine or all on the same page and Trump seems to be somewhere else...perhaps there's so much disinformation out there it's just anybody's guess.
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Re: Live Thread: War With Iran Continues #4
« Reply #769 on: May 07, 2026, 03:28:30 pm »
Marc Thiessen says Gen Keane was at the WH meeting with Trump the other day along with another General [that I missed the name]..I know what Keane told him as he has not been shy stating on Fox almost daily...these are lunatics and they consider Trump weak and they think they are winning as crazy as that sounds...they only understand one thing...bombs.. and Keane thinks Trump should have never stopped the  bombing...
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« Reply #770 on: May 07, 2026, 03:36:12 pm »
Marc Thiessen says Gen Keane was at the WH meeting with Trump the other day along with another General [that I missed the name]..I know what Keane told him as he has not been shy stating on Fox almost daily...these are lunatics and they consider Trump weak and they think they are winning as crazy as that sounds...they only understand one thing...bombs.. and Keane thinks Trump should have never stopped the  bombing...

When has Trump ever listened to his Generals???
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« Reply #771 on: May 07, 2026, 03:45:51 pm »
Marc Thiessen says Gen Keane was at the WH meeting with Trump the other day along with another General [that I missed the name]..I know what Keane told him as he has not been shy stating on Fox almost daily...these are lunatics and they consider Trump weak and they think they are winning as crazy as that sounds...they only understand one thing...bombs.. and Keane thinks Trump should have never stopped the  bombing...

It sure looks like Trump and crew miscalculated on what it would take to end the Iranian regime. By far more Iranian protesters have died than Iranian Islamists killing them. The Islamist have to be taken out in large numbers to end their grip on power. Trump doesn't appear to have the will to do that. Real wars are not sanitary. They are by necessity brutal where you have to destroy the enemy's will to fight in order to achieve actual peace. Gentlemen wars end in failure.
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« Reply #772 on: May 07, 2026, 04:15:06 pm »
One thing is certain..Trump and his advisers miscalculated this *war* saying it would only take a couple of weeks...Hello...this was/is not Venezuela which I have a feeling they thought would be a repeat in Iran. Another factor is they thought this would long be over my this summer and they could brag about this during midterms...instead we have high gas prices which affects just about every American...remember people vote with their pocketbook...

To me...imo is FUBAR

I am just disgusted...sorry for the rant.... :cool:
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« Reply #773 on: May 07, 2026, 04:46:38 pm »
One thing is certain..Trump and his advisers miscalculated this *war* saying it would only take a couple of weeks...Hello...this was/is not Venezuela which I have a feeling they thought would be a repeat in Iran. Another factor is they thought this would long be over my this summer and they could brag about this during midterms...instead we have high gas prices which affects just about every American...remember people vote with their pocketbook...

To me...imo is FUBAR

I am just disgusted...sorry for the rant.... :cool:

Sounds like a fair rant to me...
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« Reply #774 on: May 07, 2026, 05:01:03 pm »
Bobfrom wrote in reply 763 above:
"But with so many changes in direction, comes uncertainty, confusion, and eventual collapse. Its no longer about the Art of the Deal, but the Art of  Collapse, where any effort begun, no matter how successful, collapses on the point of victory."

I have to agree with you.
Mr. Trump has let us -- and the Western World -- down on this one.

What Mr. Trump -thinks- is "a deal" ... the iranian muslims will instead regard as "a hudna".

My guess is that Mr. Trump was misled early on (actually before "the war" began) by both Israel and his own subordinates (military or otherwise) that "victory" could be achieved through a bombing campaign using conventional weapons.

There's no doubt that the bombing did an extensive amount of damage to iranian governmental and military targets.

What it DIDN'T do was to remove the existing leadership/power structure. They are like mushrooms -- kill one, and two, three or more pop up to replace the one you just eliminated.

Nor did it obliterate iran's ability to disrupt the Straits or still lob off missiles here and there.

Nor did it guarantee that their enriched uranium has been converted into unobtanium.

To do that was going to involve either an extended and extensive ground invasion, or the use of nuclear weapons.

Mr. Trump "saw the elephant" on this... and backed away.

I don't know if we should blame him. The once "United" States is no longer so. There isn't enough support (nor enough draftable youthpower) to support a full-scale war that could last at least six months to a year or longer.

Short of this -- and also driven by his obsession to "make deals" -- Mr. Trump will try to negotiate this one to an end. Again, once one has seen the elephant...

Still as Ayn Rand once said:
"In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit".

Something to keep in mind in the times ahead...

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« Reply #775 on: May 07, 2026, 05:19:31 pm »
They are so afraid of saying *you broke the ceasefire*



US strikes Iran’s Qeshm Port, Bandar Abbas; official says attack not ceasefire breach

A U.S. strike on Iran’s Qeshm Port and Bandar Abbas was reported Thursday, with U.S. officials telling Fox News National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin that it was neither a restart of the war nor an end to the ceasefire.

The development came as Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency also reported air defense activity in western Tehran.

Two other loud explosions were heard Thursday night, while eyewitnesses told Iran International they heard multiple blasts in Chitgar.

Iran’s state-run Mehr News Agency also reported scattered attacks and exchanges of fire across Iran’s southern Hormozgan province near Bandar Abbas, Bandar Khamir, Sirik and Qeshm Island, according to reports.

Thursday’s strike on Iran’s major ports came two days after Iran fired 15 ballistic and cruise missiles at the UAE’s Fujairah Port.

Those strikes sparked anger among Gulf countries, officials told Griffin, though Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and Gen. Dan Caine had said during a Pentagon briefing May 5 that those attacks did not amount to a violation of the ceasefire.

Hegseth and Caine described the attacks as low-level incidents that did not rise to that threshold.

President Donald Trump paused Project Freedom May 5, a military operation aimed at reopening the Strait of Hormuz and guiding ships through the waterway, after announcing the operation May 3.

A senior U.S. official also confirmed Thursday that Saudi Arabia and Kuwait were “very angry at the reaction from the Pentagon” and temporarily halted permission for the U.S. to use their bases and airspace for Project Freedom.

The decision has since been reversed, the official said. Thursday U.S. strikes came as Washington awaited Iran’s response to a U.S. proposal.

Fox News National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report
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« Reply #776 on: May 07, 2026, 05:23:23 pm »
Getting weirder and weirder...
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« Reply #777 on: May 07, 2026, 05:33:44 pm »
Bobfrom wrote in reply 763 above:
"But with so many changes in direction, comes uncertainty, confusion, and eventual collapse. Its no longer about the Art of the Deal, but the Art of  Collapse, where any effort begun, no matter how successful, collapses on the point of victory."

I have to agree with you.
Mr. Trump has let us -- and the Western World -- down on this one.

What Mr. Trump -thinks- is "a deal" ... the iranian muslims will instead regard as "a hudna".

My guess is that Mr. Trump was misled early on (actually before "the war" began) by both Israel and his own subordinates (military or otherwise) that "victory" could be achieved through a bombing campaign using conventional weapons.

I doubt that Israel misled 47 on the use of ground troops, seeing as they have been and are involved in extensive bombing & ground campaigns.

More likely the Twin Snakes: Witkoff and Kushner, along with other subordinates did the misleading. Especially the Snakes, as they pride themselves on deal making, citing their 'experience and trustworthiness'. And are likely the driving force, behind the scenes, for the raft of current 'deals'.


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« Reply #778 on: May 07, 2026, 06:20:20 pm »
I doubt that Israel misled 47 on the use of ground troops, seeing as they have been and are involved in extensive bombing & ground campaigns.

More likely the Twin Snakes: Witkoff and Kushner, along with other subordinates did the misleading. Especially the Snakes, as they pride themselves on deal making, citing their 'experience and trustworthiness'. And are likely the driving force, behind the scenes, for the raft of current 'deals'.

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« Reply #779 on: May 07, 2026, 06:22:06 pm »
Getting weirder and weirder...

So weird that the news sources can't keep up with the back and forth rhetoric from this administration.
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« Reply #780 on: May 07, 2026, 06:38:12 pm »
The odds of this ending well are diminishing by the day...

There are going to be serious consequences if it does fail.
What ending are you talking about?

I'll start by saying IMO the best ending is all Mullahs and IRG are killed and all uranium is found and removed.

Where are you going?
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« Reply #781 on: May 07, 2026, 06:50:14 pm »
It sounds like Iraq shot at some of our ships today and we sunk several of their small boats.  BUT  the ceasefire continues...  :shrug:

I guess the President needs to define the word "ceasefire".
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« Reply #782 on: May 07, 2026, 06:51:34 pm »
Getting weirder and weirder...



It sure is! I don't think the gen pop needs to know everything but the appearance of a steady hand would sure be welcome.

And then I think...unless you are a news junkie (like most of us here are) a person wouldn't even know this is going on. It really has no coverage on the news.

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« Reply #784 on: May 07, 2026, 07:03:41 pm »
 :wtf: A love tap... 9999hair out0000


Trump calls US strikes on Iran a ‘love tap’ after destroyers targeted in Hormuz Strait

President Donald Trump said Thursday that U.S. retaliatory strikes against Iranian targets were “just a love tap” and confirmed a ceasefire is in effect.

Speaking to ABC News, Trump also said “the ceasefire is going” before adding, “It’s in effect.”

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said Thursday that American forces “responded with self-defense strikes” on Iranian targets after three Navy destroyers came under missile and drone fire from Iranian forces but were not struck.

The U.S. targeted three Iranian ports along the Strait of Hormuz: Bandar Abbas, Qeshm and Bandar Kargan.

The destroyers targeted by Iran in the Strait of Hormuz were the USS Truxtun, USS Mason and USS Rafael Peralta.
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« Reply #785 on: May 07, 2026, 07:04:47 pm »
Iranian forces launched multiple missiles, drones and small boats at the USS Truxtun, USS Rafael Peralta and USS Mason on Thursday, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said.

"U.S. forces intercepted unprovoked Iranian attacks and responded with self-defense strikes as U.S. Navy guided-missile destroyers transited the Strait of Hormuz to the Gulf of Oman, May 7," the comand confiirmed in a statement shared on X.

The command also said that the destroyers were transiting the international sea passage.

"No U.S. assets were struck" the command added

CENTCOM also confirmed forces "eliminated inbound threats and targeted Iranian military facilities responsible for attacking U.S. forces including missile and drone launch sites; command and control locations; and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance nodes."

"CENTCOM does not seek escalation but remains positioned and ready to protect American forces," the command added.
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« Reply #787 on: May 07, 2026, 07:09:25 pm »
So weird that the news sources can't keep up with the back and forth rhetoric from this administration.

Clearly it's all Trump's fault.  *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #788 on: May 07, 2026, 07:29:37 pm »

More likely the Twin Snakes: Witkoff and Kushner, along with other subordinates did the misleading. Especially the Snakes, as they pride themselves on deal making, citing their 'experience and trustworthiness'. And are likely the driving force, behind the scenes, for the raft of current 'deals'.

I think you're right.  It's no coincidence that this thing started going sideways the same time they went to Islamabad and we start hearing about "deals" from the Pakistanis. 
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« Reply #789 on: May 07, 2026, 07:31:47 pm »
"deals" from the Pakistanis.

Yeah..this was reported yesterday..who is talking with the Pakistanis and since when do we take their advice... :shrug:
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« Reply #790 on: May 07, 2026, 07:31:56 pm »

President Donald Trump said Thursday that U.S. retaliatory strikes against Iranian targets were “just a love tap” and confirmed a ceasefire is in effect.


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« Reply #791 on: May 07, 2026, 07:37:21 pm »
This should be a drone war.

Send hundreds or thousands of drones towards those small boats as well as the bases they take off from.
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« Reply #792 on: May 07, 2026, 07:41:56 pm »
This is what I mentioned earlier...

Fox’s Thiessen Warns On Fox News: Iran Sees ‘Weakness’ In Trump Negotiations
Alex GriffingMay 7th, 2026, 5:53 pm

Fox News contributor Mark Thiessen joined anchor John Roberts on Thursday to discuss the latest developments in President Donald Trump’s negotiations to end the conflict in Iran, which Thiessen warned risked putting the U.S. in a weaker position.

Roberts introduced Thiessen and noted, “He’s got a new column out today in the Washington Post titled ‘Trump Risks Snatching Defeat From the Jaws of Victory.’” Roberts continued:

    You’re offering the president some advice here, including on X, where you said: “Here’s what Iran sees after being warned not to. They hit UAE and fired on a U.S. ship, and we didn’t respond. Instead, we suspended the Strait of Hormuz mission. They take that as weakness. They don’t think Trump is willing to bomb them again. They think they have leverage. He needs to prove them wrong.” What would you tell him if you had the honor?

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« Reply #793 on: May 07, 2026, 07:43:57 pm »
 Retired top US general says Trump has only one option with Iran: Resume bombing
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A retired top US general Friday said Iran’s leaders “certainly don’t care” what happens to their people — so President Trump should stop trying to negotiate and resume bombing the Middle Eastern country.

Retired Gen. Jack Keane — acting Army Chief of Staff at the start of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars — told Fox News that Iran’s merciless and violent crackdown on its own citizens show the leadership’s true colors and proves any negotiation is fruitless.

“They certainly don’t care about their people suffering,” Keane said, likely alluding to reports that Iran murdered nearly 40,000 of its own people while putting down protests in January alone, among other well-documented acts of mass violence.

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« Reply #794 on: May 07, 2026, 07:44:23 pm »
I think you're right.  It's no coincidence that this thing started going sideways the same time they went to Islamabad and we start hearing about "deals" from the Pakistanis.

The Pakis don't want to end up actually defending Saudi Arabia.
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« Reply #795 on: May 07, 2026, 07:50:26 pm »
"Love tap" my fanny. 9999hair out0000 These people do not want a deal.

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« Reply #796 on: May 07, 2026, 07:53:34 pm »
Oh, FFS!

You may not agree with me on Kushner, but mark my words he IS a snake and he will be the downfall of these negotiations and while he's at it he's going to make a pretty profit.

Trump isn't stupid and I think he realizes what's going on -- Jared is bringing in some serious change.
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« Reply #797 on: May 07, 2026, 07:54:01 pm »
"Love tap" my fanny. 9999hair out0000 These people do not want a deal.

Trump needs to stop playing their games.
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« Reply #798 on: May 07, 2026, 07:54:24 pm »
The Pakis don't want to end up actually defending Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan can't be trusted anymore than Iran.
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« Reply #799 on: May 07, 2026, 07:57:11 pm »
Clearly it's all Trump's fault.  *****rollingeyes*****

He's obviously not listening to his generals and he is the CIC and responsibility falls in his lap.

Of course the MSM can't be trusted -- there aren't many true journalists out there.
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