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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #50 on: Today at 02:19:10 pm »
The IRIS Dena, sunk by a Mark 48 torpedo, is a Moudge class frigate, fairly modern, 1500 tons, similar in size to USN pre-WW2 destroyers (except for 4-pipers). They carry a 3" gun, 4 SAMs, and 4 anti-ship missiles. Iran had 6, though several have been wet-docked or promoted to submarine.
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« Reply #52 on: Today at 02:20:32 pm »
Maybe there is a coordinated effort for intelligence sharing with Kurd forces in case we  are going to provide air support if they attack Iran.

Could it be our troops are joining the fight to support the Kurds?




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« Reply #53 on: Today at 02:21:01 pm »


Good point  :laugh: 

Permit me to rephrase the question:   Why are US troops landing anywhere in the Middle East?
Because aircraft do not maintain themselves. Nor do radars, missile systems, etc. When you consider that in a full-on combat (boots on the ground) situation, only 10% or so of the troops actually engage the enemy over a gun barrel, the rest are support and logistics personnel.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #55 on: Today at 02:21:54 pm »
:pondering:


https://twitter.com/ProfessorPape/status/2029204970071834755

That is BS!  We're using gravity bombs because we own the sky over Iran, and we can fly over the targets anywhere we want.
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« Reply #56 on: Today at 02:22:29 pm »
IIRC 50,000 of our troops are being relocated in the Middle East.

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Because aircraft do not maintain themselves. Nor do radars, missile systems, etc. When you consider that in a full-on combat (boots on the ground) situation, only 10% or so of the troops actually engage the enemy over a gun barrel, the rest are support and logistics personnel.

Are you buying this??

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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #58 on: Today at 02:24:18 pm »
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CLARIFICATION US military sank two Iranian warships - the submarine sank the IRIS Dena in the Indian Ocean - a frigate; the Soleimani class corvette was sunk in Strait of Hormuz near Iranian shores, according to US officials.

There was confusion about which Iranian ship Hegseth was referring to at the briefing. After announcing the US submarine strike he spoke about the US sinking  the Soleimani but it was sunk in a separate incident last night – not by the US submarine.

Here is background on the Soleimani: The Iranians built 4 of these corvette class missile ships in 2022. They were named Shahid Soleimani, or Martyr Soleimani, after Gen Qassem Soleimani, the head of the IRGC Quds Force who during President Trump's first term was killed by a US strike that President Trump ordered on his convoy in Baghdad.
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« Reply #59 on: Today at 02:25:24 pm »
From @cato potatoe:

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Okay, this really is getting out of hand.  Congress should have been consulted, and needs to be involved now.  What is the price tag?  Besides replenishing our stockpiles, repairing equipment, and paying troops in the region.  Also the cost of rebuilding the middle east, paying/managing god only knows what factions in Iran, and housing all of the refugees.

Why would Trump reveal anything secret to a Congress riddled with Dems who hate him so much they would find a way to leak it to Iran? Other than to build a treason case, of course.
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Two senior Iranian officials say Iran refuses to engage in talks with the US because it has repeatedly used talks as cover for attacks.

Iran has concluded the US cannot be trusted – and every other country will have concluded exactly the same.

The US has killed diplomacy.

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Memo: When the US talks these days it's because we are trying to avoid necessary actions. It doesn't mean we are endlessly patient with anyone.
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https://twitter.com/ProfessorPape/status/2029204970071834755

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This is bullshit. Shifting between munition types is only a reflection of current events and targets on the ground. This is just another example of a civilian “professor” knowing absolutely nothing about military ops or warfare.
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« Reply #63 on: Today at 02:31:05 pm »
Oh good grief...


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That is BS!  We're using gravity bombs because we own the sky over Iran, and we can fly over the targets anywhere we want.

...Hegseth flatly denied that the U.S. would be running short of munitions, again following Trump’s lead in saying the U.S. enjoys a “nearly unlimited stockpile” of weapons to draw from.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/04/hegset-iran-war-just-begun-00811889?utm_content=politico/magazine/Politics&utm_source=flipboard
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #65 on: Today at 02:32:11 pm »
IIRC 50,000 of our troops are being relocated in the Middle East.

Wrong. Most of that 50,000 were already there.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #66 on: Today at 02:32:34 pm »
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"I am inclined to agree with you, but guardedly optimistic."

Thanks for replying, Joe.
Apparently, no one else seems willing to do so.

I'm highly impressed with everything the USA and Israel have done so far.
It's been a great "opening roll".

But I've seen NOTHING from our leadership as to how they intend "to bring down the curtain and close the show".
I realize... don't reveal too much, loose lips, etc.

But just like with Japan and Germany in 1945:
What's the end game?
How will we know the war is over?
How will we (and the world) determine who's "won"?

I'm a realist.
There can be no true victory... without a surrender to accompany it.

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« Reply #68 on: Today at 02:35:47 pm »
:pondering:


https://twitter.com/ProfessorPape/status/2029204970071834755

Actually, it means Iranian air defenses are so pounded down that US planes no longer need to use stand-off munitions to avoid air defenses. Another artifact of this change is adding non-stealth B-1 and B-52 bombers to the mix of strike aircraft.
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« Reply #69 on: Today at 02:35:57 pm »
Are you buying this??
Well, my taxes go to pay for it, so, in that sense, I am. There is the added thought that security for out forces present in theater might be a good idea. (I can't say I believe in "moderate" Muslims, and don't fully trust any).

But some of these gee-whiz weapons systems are maintenance intensive. It takes 30-40 man hours of maintenance for every flight hour of an F-22, for instance. The F-15, from 12-25 hours, the F-35 (newer) from 5-15 man hours per hour of flight time. That's just the aircraft. Missiles don't fly over to their launchers and load themselves in. All of this takes people, to unload, transport, load and prepare to fire. People to maintain the radars and man them 24/7, people to stand guard on all that.

Back to combat troops, which is what you are clutching pearls and having vapors over, yes, there are going to be some, or all the enemy would have to do is go gather around and destroy our people working on the rest of this stuff. And that's not to mention those doing physical acts of damage control on the sites where ordnance got through.

This is no small operation, and it is spread out, so 50,000 doesn't seem outrageous.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #70 on: Today at 02:37:04 pm »
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"I am inclined to agree with you, but guardedly optimistic."

Thanks for replying, Joe.
Apparently, no one else seems willing to do so.

I'm highly impressed with everything the USA and Israel have done so far.
It's been a great "opening role".

But I've seen NOTHING from our leadership as to how they intend "to bring down the curtain and close the show".
I realize... don't reveal too much, loose lips, etc.

But just like with Japan and Germany in 1945:
What's the end game?
How will we know the war is over?
How will we (and the world) determine who's "won"?

I'm a realist.
There can be no true victory... without a surrender to accompany it.

ANYONE in the forum:
Show me where I'm wrong.

I think we should give it some time.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #71 on: Today at 02:38:55 pm »
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"I am inclined to agree with you, but guardedly optimistic."

Thanks for replying, Joe.
Apparently, no one else seems willing to do so.

I'm highly impressed with everything the USA and Israel have done so far.
It's been a great "opening role".

But I've seen NOTHING from our leadership as to how they intend "to bring down the curtain and close the show".
I realize... don't reveal too much, loose lips, etc.

But just like with Japan and Germany in 1945:
What's the end game?
How will we know the war is over?
How will we (and the world) determine who's "won"?

I'm a realist.
There can be no true victory... without a surrender to accompany it.

ANYONE in the forum:
Show me where I'm wrong.

If there is regime change in Iran then a surrender is not necessary to fulfill the goals of the mission.
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« Reply #72 on: Today at 02:40:17 pm »
Let me reiterate.

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« Reply #73 on: Today at 02:40:41 pm »
I think we should give it some time.
Well, I agree with that, too. This hasn't been going for a week, yet.
That said, the way to be ready for whatever happens is to have enough of an open mind to game out all the foreseeable 'what ifs?' and plan. I'm just hoping the folks in charge have not missed anything.
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This is bullshit. Shifting between munition types is only a reflection of current events and targets on the ground. This is just another example of a civilian “professor” knowing absolutely nothing about military ops or warfare.

Buzz is correct.  Fools like the Perfessor have been claiming for days we a running out of ordnance based on the type we're using right now, with no understanding of why.
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If there is regime change in Iran then a surrender is not necessary to fulfill the goals of the mission.
Technically, there has been a regime change, just not as much of one as we want to see there. A secular government is the goal, with the theocracy removed from power. That will be up to the Iranians to help make happen, and their theocracy is as ingrained as our deep state.
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IDF: The first phase is over.

The goal was to strike western Iran, and focused on preparing the ground for the main attack.

This included hitting the launch and anti-aircraft capabilities.

This phase lasted 5 days.

The second phase begins.

The goals include the major objectives of the operation - destroying the missile, nuclear, navy, and military industries.

This phase, the main one, will last about two weeks.
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Quote from: Smokin Joe on Today at 07:21:01 am
Because aircraft do not maintain themselves. Nor do radars, missile systems, etc. When you consider that in a full-on combat (boots on the ground) situation, only 10% or so of the troops actually engage the enemy over a gun barrel, the rest are support and logistics personnel.

Are you buying this??

Well, @Smokin Joe may have under-estimated the percentage of logistics and support personnel. ****drummer

More seriously, even in much less tech-heavy WW2, the % of troops and sailors and Marines working in logistics, equipment operation and maintenance, construction, and training was much greater than forces actually in some form of combat. E.G., my Dad and his younger brother were both 4-F (but raising food as farmers). Their older brother, whose first language was German, was in the US Army maintaining and repairing vehicles.
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« Reply #78 on: Today at 02:45:22 pm »
"Top Pentagon officials on Wednesday suggested that the Iran war could extend into a longer conflict — saying the fighting is “far from over” — even as they declined to explain what ultimate victory might look like".........

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/04/hegset-iran-war-just-begun-00811889?utm_content=politico/magazine/Politics&utm_source=flipboard

It sure sounds like this fight is going to be passed to boots on the ground ---  FTA:

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Caine acknowledged those losses Wednesday but said the air campaign inside Iran will intensify: “We will now begin to expand inland, striking progressively deeper into Iranian territory and creating additional freedom of maneuver for U.S. forces.”

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Well, @Smokin Joe may have under-estimated the percentage of logistics and support personnel. ****drummer

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Israel is 'targeting the Iranian police state' in the hope of 'clearing the way for a popular revolt' that can overthrow the Iranian regime, according to Wall Street Journal report.

Who's going to arm and train this "popular revolt"?

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Well, @Smokin Joe may have under-estimated the percentage of logistics and support personnel. ****drummer
In an air only offense, and anti-air defense (no ground engagement), you may be right. The support and logistics folks could go over 90%.
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In an air only offense, and anti-air defense (no ground engagement), you may be right. The support and logistics folks could go over 90%.

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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #85 on: Today at 02:58:33 pm »
... random thought ... convert a sezied 'shadow tanker' into a honey pot / commerce raider to draw Iranian anti-ship assets into the open to be blown up ... also, it will confuse the Iranians because they don't know if the ship they are attempting to attack is a helpless maritime vessel or an armed commerce raider.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
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It sure sounds like this fight is going to be passed to boots on the ground ---  FTA:

Welll, so far Hegseth hasn't indicated use of boots on the ground. .... so .... so far that is not the intent.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
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Most leave has been cancelled for soldiers, warrant officers, and officers in the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, with troops being placed on combat alert and deployed to the border with Iran, as the ongoing war between Israel, Iran and the United States enters its fourth day and continues to spread across the Middle East, sources have told the independent media outlet Qazetchi
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
« Reply #88 on: Today at 03:03:34 pm »
Because aircraft do not maintain themselves. Nor do radars, missile systems, etc. When you consider that in a full-on combat (boots on the ground) situation, only 10% or so of the troops actually engage the enemy over a gun barrel, the rest are support and logistics personnel.

I want to agree with you @Smokin Joe but just this morning  Gen. Caine explained what we're doing ---  and it sure sounds like we're getting reading to toss the fighting baton to boots on the ground --- not the repair systems baton .....

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Caine acknowledged those losses Wednesday but said the air campaign inside Iran will intensify: “We will now begin to expand inland, striking progressively deeper into Iranian territory and creating additional freedom of maneuver for U.S. forces."

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/04/hegset-iran-war-just-begun-00811889?utm_content=politico/magazine/Politics&utm_source=flipboard

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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
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I want to agree with you @Smokin Joe but just this morning  Gen. Caine explained what we're doing ---  and it sure sounds like we're getting reading to toss the fighting baton to boots on the ground --- not the repair systems baton .....
If the air campaign intensifies, maintenance, supply, and support needs intensify, too. That means more people.
Otherwise, something gets missed, and our pilots, aircrew, and even our bases and vessels may be put at greater risk.

Changing weapons platforms means more people, too. A B-52 requires between 53 and 62 man hours per flight hour, and the B-1 and B-2 require close to 100. The more gee whiz stuff you have, the more systems to maintain. BUFFs are relatively simple bomb trucks compared to the Bone and the Spirit.
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Re: Live Thread: Israel, US launch attack on Iran Part 2
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According to the official, thousands of Kurdish fighters began taking combat positions inside Iranian territory on Monday, March 2.

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 Spain’s government denies White House claims that it will “cooperate militarily” with the United States.
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