Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]

[libertybele]

I heard plenty of cheers as well @Right_in_Virginia .

And truthfully, there are people in this country that disagree with the current admin in this country and boo Trump...or whoever is president.

I don't see that Israel is much different than the US or most other countries. Some people like, some people don't. There is a pretty large constituency of liberals there. Just as there is here.

But I stand with BiBi and Israel as a nation.

 

[Hoodat]

No, it's not @Cyber Liberty   Benjamin Netanyahu has done more to harm and divide Israel in the last 10 years than any other politician, ever. 

[Hoodat]

It consumes so much of you that you don't bother to answer pings to other threads asking your opinion about political races in Virginia!

The forum's ignore list is not by category. 

Yet you just responded here to the same poster.  Go figure.  So, your insinuation about the questioner being on ignore was yet another LIE.

[libertybele]

@Right_in_Virginia where is your solid proof that Bibi is the monster that you claim him to be?  Propaganda runs deep, facts get distorted, history gets rewritten so the only thing that we can count on is what is clearly stated in the Bible regarding Israel.

Israel remains standing and is saved.  Whether it happens through Bibi or not I don't know. Whether that happens in our lifetime is also unknown.

Not all of Israel are fans of Bibi, but he is their leader and they all have to deal with the cards dealt them right now.

You certainly have made it seem that Bibi has deliberately put the Israelis in jeopardy because of his lack of leadership and faithfulness to the people.

So, I'll ask you then based on your opinion and what you have posted; who is the bigger monster that the Jewish people need to fear, Hamas or Bibi?

[Hoodat]

I don't know @libertybele --- but this was the longest I've heard Jared speak and he appeared sincere --- in wanting a lasting peace, fair to both sides.

Hamas doesn't want peace.  Read their charter.

You do remember Hamas, right?  And their supporters?  Surely you remember.  You were the one here comparing them to 18th century American patriots.  Hamas.  Yeah, that was you doing that.  And everyone here knows it.  Here's the photo again:



Look at the size of that crowd celebrating 30 years of Jew-killing by Hamas.  And YOU compared them to American patriots demonstrating against the British monarchy.  So stop bullshitting us about your love for Israel.  Do you know what happens to all liars?  Rev 21:8

[Hoodat]

And then there's this:  Netanyahu, Likud Party Surge in Polls After Victory, Hostage Deal

[Hoodat]

Bibi tells it like it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxIl0xTnExA

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia where is your solid proof that Bibi is the monster that you claim him to be?

I have presented my case, with specificity @libertybele  --- and I have done so ad nauseam.  It is now up to you to disprove it to your heart's content.   Or, we can simply agree to disagree as we have on other issues.  No harm, no foul.

You certainly have made it seem that Bibi has deliberately put the Israelis in jeopardy because of his lack of leadership and faithfulness to the people.

For two years I have posted link after link presenting information and opinion that Netanyahu's decades of gamesmanship with his most sacred responsibilities blew up in his face on Oct 7 and splattered all over Israeli lives and their futures.  It is my opinion that October 7 is the day Mr. Security's chickens came home to roost.

So, I'll ask you then based on your opinion and what you have posted; who is the bigger monster that the Jewish people need to fear, Hamas or Bibi?

Are you asking:  "Who's the bigger monster to be feared by the Israelis:  The one plotting to kill them or the one promising to keep them safe with his fingers crossed behind his back?"

[Idiot]

Bibi tells it like it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxIl0xTnExA

Excellent watch.

[libertybele]

I have presented my case, with specificity @libertybele  --- and I have done so ad nauseam.  It is now up to you to disprove it to your heart's content.   Or, we can simply agree to disagree as we have on other issues.  No harm, no foul.

For two years I have posted link after link presenting information and opinion that Netanyahu's decades of gamesmanship with his most sacred responsibilities blew up in his face on Oct 7 and splattered all over Israeli lives and their futures.  It is my opinion that October 7 is the day Mr. Security's chickens came home to roost.

Are you asking:  "Who's the bigger monster to be feared by the Israelis:  The one plotting to kill them or the one promising to keep them safe with his fingers crossed behind his back?"

@Right_in_Virginia   Ok....I accept fault for not paying more attention to the links that you have provided.  Again though, how much is fact and how much is propaganda? 

It would deeply trouble me and sadden me if indeed Netanyahu was in part responsible for not protecting his own people as you claim which in essence would boil down to years of clever deception.  I still think otherwise.

We will have to agree to disagree on this and I can only pray for the safety of Israel and that  Netanyahu  has the Israeli's best interest at heart. In fact praying also for the innocents that find themselves involved in all of this.

[Kamaji]

I have presented my case, with specificity @libertybele  --- and I have done so ad nauseam.  It is now up to you to disprove it to your heart's content.   Or, we can simply agree to disagree as we have on other issues.  No harm, no foul.

For two years I have posted link after link presenting information and opinion that Netanyahu's decades of gamesmanship with his most sacred responsibilities blew up in his face on Oct 7 and splattered all over Israeli lives and their futures.  It is my opinion that October 7 is the day Mr. Security's chickens came home to roost.

Are you asking:  "Who's the bigger monster to be feared by the Israelis:  The one plotting to kill them or the one promising to keep them safe with his fingers crossed behind his back?"

Hate does not a logical case make.  You’ve proved nothing other than your adoration of Hamas and antisemitism.

[txradioguy]

@Right_in_Virginia   Ok....I accept fault for not paying more attention to the links that you have provided.  Again though, how much is fact and how much is propaganda? 

It would deeply trouble me and sadden me if indeed Netanyahu was in part responsible for not protecting his own people as you claim which in essence would boil down to years of clever deception.  I still think otherwise.

We will have to agree to disagree on this and I can only pray for the safety of Israel and that  Netanyahu  has the Israeli's best interest at heart. In fact praying also for the innocents that find themselves involved in all of this.

Never forget you're dealing with a Hamas and "Palestinian" propagandist.  When she's telling you things like what I put in bold.  It's not coming from a factual knowledge base.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.  On the plus side this development provides hours of bonding entertainment for a handful of malcontents  ---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?  Before you decide, remember:

* Netanyahu has been at the top of the Israeli power pyramid since James Baker banned him from the State Department over 30 years ago for "lying" --- and Israel has been at war for all 30+ years.

 * Netanyahu's political journey includes six terms as Prime Minister serving for 19 years to date.  The worst attack on the State of Israel occurred n Netanyahu's 17th year as Prime Minister,

* Netanyahu is a mortal politican, not a king,

* Netanyahu is not the only Jew in Israel,

* Wanting a change in Israeli leadership to one that delivers ethical, honest stewardship and is not reliant upon war to retain power --- is a positive for Israel's security, stability and prosperity --- not an endorsement of Hamas, or any enemy of Israel.

* Change doesn't have to be frightening.

[Wingnut]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.

I've upped my standards. Now, up yours.

[Kamaji]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.  On the plus side this development provides hours of bonding entertainment for a handful of malcontents  ---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?  Before you decide, remember:

If you don’t like being called a liar, an antisemite, and a shill for Hamas, then perhaps you should stop lying, get over your antisemitism, and stop shilling for Hamas. 


Facts are facts, regardless of whether you feel insulted by them. 

[txradioguy]

If you don’t like being called a liar, an antisemite, and a shill for Hamas, then perhaps you should stop lying, get over your antisemitism, and stop shilling for Hamas. 


Facts are facts, regardless of whether you feel insulted by them.

QFT

[Cyber Liberty]

If you don’t like being called a liar, an antisemite, and a shill for Hamas, then perhaps you should stop lying, get over your antisemitism, and stop shilling for Hamas. 


Facts are facts, regardless of whether you feel insulted by them.

Awesome!

[Right_in_Virginia]

I see the bonding entertainment crowd is anti- debate. 

[Hoodat]

---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?  And I'm not the only one here who has experienced that with you.

A conversation is a two-way street.  But that's not how propagandists like you operate.  They litter the boards with leaflets, and then fly off leaving themselves unavailable for any discussion or explanation on what those leaflets say.  And above everything, they have an overbearing disregard for anything truthful.  Time after time, you have made claims here that are demonstrably false.  Yet when challenged or presented with evidence proving the perfidy of your statements, you simply run away from that "actual conversation" you falsely claim to seek.  And within a few months, you come right back posting the same false claim again, with full knowledge that said claim has already been soundly disproven here.

This is what liars do.  This is what you do.  You're not interested in conversation or debate.

I recall one case back in 2022 where you falsely accused me of posting 'propaganda' from the Kyiv Independent on the Ukraine thread.  So I challenged you to back your claim by citing a single instance of me doing that.  I even said I would donate $100 to TBR if you could show one post of mine where I did that.  And what did you do?  You disappeared.  You ignored my challenge.  You rejected debate.  You rejected conversation.  And worst of all, you let your lie stand.  No retraction.  No admission of a mistake.  Nope, you simply let the lie stand. 

[Kamaji]

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?  And I'm not the only one here who has experienced that with you.

A conversation is a two-way street.  But that's not how propagandists like you operate.  They litter the boards with leaflets, and then fly off leaving themselves unavailable for any discussion or explanation on what those leaflets say.  And above everything, they have an overbearing disregard for anything truthful.  Time after time, you have made claims here that are demonstrably false.  Yet when challenged or presented with evidence proving the perfidy of your statements, you simply run away from that "actual conversation" you falsely claim to seek.  And within a few months, you come right back posting the same false claim again, with full knowledge that said claim has already been soundly disproven here.

This is what liars do.  This is what you do.  You're not interested in conversation or debate.

I recall one case back in 2022 where you falsely accused me of posting 'propaganda' from the Kyiv Independent on the Ukraine thread.  So I challenged you to back your claim by citing a single instance of me doing that.  I even said I would donate $100 to TBR if you could show one post of mine where I did that.  And what did you do?  You disappeared.  You ignored my challenge.  You rejected debate.  You rejected conversation.  And worst of all, you let your lie stand.  No retraction.  No admission of a mistake.  Nope, you simply let the lie stand. 

Exactly

[libertybele]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.  On the plus side this development provides hours of bonding entertainment for a handful of malcontents  ---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?  Before you decide, remember:

I've conversed with you on a non-confrontational level and believe I have refrained from the insults.  You have the absolute right to your opinion.

Who is asking for a change in Israeli leadership??  Of course Bibi isn't king, nor is he the only Jew.  Those comments are really condescending at best and pretty thin and doesn't prove anything @Right_in_Virginia

If you are a Hamas supporter, so be it.  If you support Israel and not Bibi (which is what I have assumed) then again we have to agree to disagree.  I have not gone back to look at the links you say you have provided -- I accept that you have provided those links.   So moving forward with a discussion instead of the spears that are being thrown at you:

Again, propaganda is vicious and repeat lies enough times and people will begin to believe it.

I am a strong supporter of the late Charlie Kirk -- he lays out a plan for Bibi so that misinformation is corrected...I think that his credibility is strong and undeniable and that the message he relayed is spot on.  As Kirk notes, Israel is losing the information war; that is troubling and something that I think you should strongly consider if indeed you stand with Israel.  If you don't then this is a mute point.

https://x.com/RealSaavedra/status/1972763775377064136/photo/1

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirks-letter-to-netanyahu-revealed-read-in-full-10804835

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I've conversed with you on a non-confrontational level and believe I have refrained from the insults.  You have the absolute right to your opinion.

.

Yes, we have @libertybele , and I appreciate it.     

Who is asking for a change in Israeli leadership??

Well, I am --- on behalf of a couple of million Israelis. 

Of course Bibi isn't king, nor is he the only Jew.  Those comments are really condescending at best and pretty thin and doesn't prove anything @Right_in_Virginia

Condescension is not and was not my intent.

Since I frequently point out Netanyahu's shortcomings, with receipts, I am frequently called an anti-Semite.  Reminding those that do this that Netanyahu is a mere mortal is a reminder Netanyahu is not above critique and further,  calling for another Jew to replace him is not evidence of anti-Semitism.

If you are a Hamas supporter, so be it.

I am not.

if you support Israel and not Bibi (which is what I have assumed) then again we have to agree to disagree.  I have not gone back to look at the links you say you have provided -- I accept that you have provided those links.   So moving forward with a discussion instead of the spears that are being thrown at you:

Again, propaganda is vicious and repeat lies enough times and people will begin to believe it.

I'm not sure what the point is here ..... So, I'll restate mine:  If you, or anyone, disagrees with me or what I post, say so clearly and toss in a link or two with counter-information I can read and consider.  I'll let you know what I think of it.  And, bada bing, bada boom --- we're having a conversation. 

That's all I'm asking.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?

If *you* want to have a conversion with me, here's what you should do @Hoodat :  Apologize for calling me a liar, read what I post, linked source included, before tossing out your accusations masquerading as questions, and promise to move beyond your "gotcha" mentality and stop keeping records on Briefers's posts FOR YEARS,.  ----   Absent this, please feel free to sit down, stick your thumb back in your nose and find someone else to stalk.

The choice is yours.

[Hoodat]

@Right_in_Virginia

I apologize for calling you a liar.  I do not apologize for calling out the lies that you post.  Truth is truth.

Now that that's out of the way, let's have that conversation.  Why did you post those images depicting American patriots protesting British rule in the 1770s as a comparison with crowds in Gaza celebrating 30 years of Hamas?  How do you justify equating the two?  And later after deleting that post, you  ignored several attempts to engage you in conversation about it.  So what do you have to say?  I'm all ears.

[libertybele]

.

Yes, we have @libertybele , and I appreciate it.     

Well, I am --- on behalf of a couple of million Israelis. 

Condescension is not and was not my intent.  When I point out that after 30+ years in power, 19 as Prime Minister, with the worst attack on Israel occurring in his 17th year as PM, it's time for Mr.Security to retire and pass the torch to a new generation of leaders ---  I am called an anti-semite. 

Since I frequently point out Netanyahu's shortcomings, with receipts, I am frequently called an anti-Semite.  Reminding those that do this that Netanyahu is a mere mortal is a reminder Netanyahu is not above critique and further,  calling for another Jew to replace him is not evidence of anti-Semitism.

I am not.

I'm not sure what the point is here ..... So, I'll restate mine:  If you, or anyone, disagrees with me or what I post, say so clearly and toss in a link or two with counter-information I can read and consider.  I'll let you know what I think of it.  And, bada bing, bada boom --- we're having a conversation. 

That's all I'm asking.   

@Right_in_Virginia   The point of the conversation is propaganda and disinformation that is out there. The links that I provided is a letter written to Bibi by Charlie Kirk.  Charlie Kirk was by far one of the most honest and conservative people fighting for conservatism, patriotism  and this country and to transform the liberal ideology on college campuses.  His attempts of depicting conservatism working was not just limited to this country. He was IMHO a genius at what he did; listening, giving pause for others to think about and the ability to connect especially with the young crowds.

His letter to Bibi, if you read it, lays out clearly how Israel is losing the information war and a remedy; all pointing to him experiencing and noting the disinformation and propaganda against Israel that is out there.

All I'm asking is that you consider that the 'facts' that you have linked to may purely be propaganda against Bibi and Israel.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Now that that's out of the way, let's have that conversation.  Why did you post those images depicting American patriots protesting British rule in the 1770s as a comparison with crowds in Gaza celebrating 30 years of Hamas?  How do you justify equating the two?  And later after deleting that post, you  ignored several attempts to engage you in conversation about it.  So what do you have to say?  I'm all ears.

Where's your promise to move beyond your "gotcha" mentality and stop keeping records on Briefers's posts FOR YEARS @Hoodat  Did I miss that?

[Hoodat]

QED

[Right_in_Virginia]

The point of the conversation is propaganda and disinformation that is out there. The links that I provided is a letter written to Bibi by Charlie Kirk. 

His letter to Bibi, if you read it, lays out clearly how Israel is losing the information war and a remedy; all pointing to the disinformation and propaganda against Israel that is out there.

Yes, I've read the letter from Charlie.  It was heartfelt, for sure.  But, I don't think better strategies for fighting "misinformation" fixes the root of Netanyahu's problems.  Sorry, I just don't @libertybele

All I'm asking is that you consider that the 'facts' that you have linked to may purely be propaganda against Bibi and Israel.

That's fair and good advice.  I try to follow it, often providing more than one source.  So, let me assure you I do my very best to stay aware and on guard for "propaganda alerts".    And, you are always welcome to point me to information contrary to what I've posted.

[Hoodat]

Where's your promise to move beyond your "gotcha" mentality and stop keeping records on Briefers's posts FOR YEARS @Hoodat  Did I miss that?

For years?  This happened 25 days ago.  That's 3½ weeks.  And it isn't some 'gotcha' moment.  I have asked you to explain your post on eight separate occasions:

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569604.msg3223975#msg3223975

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569604.msg3224090#msg3224090

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569604.msg3224767#msg3224767

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569987.msg3224956#msg3224956

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569987.msg3225190#msg3225190

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569987.msg3225227#msg3225227

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569987.msg3225293#msg3225293

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=569987.msg3232057#msg3232057

So again, do you wish to back up your words and engage me in conversation?  Or is this just one more false statement from you?

Your deeds don't disappear simply because you choose to ignore them or because you go back and delete your post.  It all comes down to character.  So it's your choice.  You can either acknowledge your mistakes openly and restore some credibility.  Or you can ignore us and make it clear to everyone here that you side with Hamas/Russia/etc. and that 'truth' holds no significance for you.

Keep in mind that you're the one placing conditions on conversation here.  But at the same time, you should expect others to hold you accountable for what you post.  For example, your "liberators and protectors" label you personally placed on the Russian invaders on multiple occasions.  You have had countless opportunities to retract it.  Yet you stubbornly refuse to do so.  People remember that last part more.

I don't apologize for my memory of what is posted here.  But you would be surprised how quickly I put something out of my memory when a person owns up to what they've said.  I've explained this to you before.

[libertybele]

With all that has transpired in this thread, this will be my last post in here. I believe I've made my point quite clear and therefore I've said enough. 

@Hoodat and @Right_in_Virginia this has become your battleground.  No I am not finding fault with either of you.

Peace.

[Hoodat]

@libertybele

Your posts here are always welcomed.  I regret any actions taken or words spoken that would cause you to retreat from this conversation.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Your posts here are always welcomed.  I regret any actions taken or words spoken that would cause you to retreat from this conversation.

No reason for regrets.  I have nothing left to say really in this conversation.  I stand with Israel and Bibi and that's that.  Disagreement to the contrary has been stated, regardless of proof, accusation of lies, flat out lying or otherwise.

I feel I have laid out some very valid and very recent indisputable points. Denying the relevancy of what I've pointed out is reason for me to put this conversation to rest.

[Right_in_Virginia]

With all that has transpired in this thread, this will be my last post in here. I believe I've made my point quite clear and therefore I've said enough. 

@Hoodat and @Right_in_Virginia this has become your battleground.  No I am not finding fault with either of you.

Peace.

Actually, I've no battle with Hoodat @libertybele  --- he rejected the terms of debate, so we're all spared any more drama --  on any thread -- (especially me  ).

But, your instincts about the thread may be right --- we're waiting for updates so this is a good place to break and check out what else is going on. 

I do enjoy our conversations and appreciate your sheer guts at times.  Anyway, I'm sure we'll see each other around campus .... and I'm sorry I dropped the truth about the porta-potties without a warning. 

Enjoy the rest of the weekend 

[Hoodat]

[txradioguy]

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?  And I'm not the only one here who has experienced that with you.

A conversation is a two-way street.  But that's not how propagandists like you operate.  They litter the boards with leaflets, and then fly off leaving themselves unavailable for any discussion or explanation on what those leaflets say.  And above everything, they have an overbearing disregard for anything truthful.  Time after time, you have made claims here that are demonstrably false.  Yet when challenged or presented with evidence proving the perfidy of your statements, you simply run away from that "actual conversation" you falsely claim to seek.  And within a few months, you come right back posting the same false claim again, with full knowledge that said claim has already been soundly disproven here.

This is what liars do.  This is what you do.  You're not interested in conversation or debate.

I recall one case back in 2022 where you falsely accused me of posting 'propaganda' from the Kyiv Independent on the Ukraine thread.  So I challenged you to back your claim by citing a single instance of me doing that.  I even said I would donate $100 to TBR if you could show one post of mine where I did that.  And what did you do?  You disappeared.  You ignored my challenge.  You rejected debate.  You rejected conversation.  And worst of all, you let your lie stand.  No retraction.  No admission of a mistake.  Nope, you simply let the lie stand.

RiV has never been interested in actual debate.  Whether it was/is her cult like devotion to Trump or her bizarre hatred of Israel...Jews and specifically Netanyahu.

In fact...the 2015 version of RiV would have tried to ban the 2025 version of herself because of her opposition to Trump's support for Israel.

[Wingnut]

RiV has never been interested in actual debate.  Whether it was/is her cult like devotion to Trump...
In fact...the 2015 version of RiV would have tried to ban the 2025 version of herself because of her opposition to Trump's support for Israel.

Her position on her position has evolved.

[txradioguy]

Her position on her position has evolved.

 

[mystery-ak]

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu orders 'immediate and powerful strikes in the Gaza Strip'
Hamas violated the ceasefire by shooting at IDF soldiers in Rafah Tuesday, an Israeli military official tells Fox News
 By Greg Norman , Trey Yingst Fox News
Published October 28, 2025 12:00pm EDT | Updated October 28, 2025 12:41pm EDT

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered "immediate and powerful strikes" in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday after an Israeli military official told Fox News that Hamas violated the ceasefire.

The official said the terrorist group attacked Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers in Rafah.

"Following the security consultations, Prime Minister Netanyahu instructed the military echelon to carry out immediate and powerful strikes in the Gaza Strip," Netanyahu's office said Tuesday.

Tuesday's incident comes after two IDF soldiers were killed by terror operatives in Rafah earlier this month, Israeli military sources previously confirmed to Fox News Digital on Oct. 19. The soldiers, identified as Major Yaniv Kula, 26, a company commander in the 932nd Battalion of the Nahal Brigade, and Staff Sergeant Itay Yavetz, 21, a combat soldier in the same battalion, were both based in Modi’in-Maccabim-Reut.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-violates-gaza-ceasefire-attacking-israeli-soldiers-official-says

[Right_in_Virginia]

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu orders 'immediate and powerful strikes in the Gaza Strip'
Hamas violated the ceasefire by shooting at IDF soldiers in Rafah Tuesday, an Israeli military official tells Fox News

Reason 1:   Trump's preoccupied in Asia
Reason 2:   Trump's control is hurting Netanyahu's reelection (see article below)
Reason 3:   Trump's preoccupied in Asia

In Shift in Relationship With Netanyahu, Trump Says ‘I Will Decide’ What Is Right for Israel
Since an Israel-Hamas cease-fire deal came into effect, the U.S. effort to sustain it appears to have constrained Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
New York Times, Oct 27, 2025

[...]

That is no longer the case.

Rather, Mr. Trump has increasingly aired his frustrations with Mr. Netanyahu. One early example was Mr. Trump’s eruption at the prime minister over an Israeli airstrike on Iran in June after a cease-fire had been reached in that 12-day war.

After Israel’s botched airstrike on Hamas negotiators in Qatar last month, Mr. Trump, meeting with Mr. Netanyahu in the Oval Office, forced him to call the Qatari prime minister and apologize.

Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, elaborated in a “60 Minutes” interview on Oct. 20.

“I think he felt like the Israelis were getting a little bit out of control in what they were doing,” he said, “and that it was time to be very strong and stop them from doing things that he felt were not in their long-term interests.”

It was an extraordinary revelation by Mr. Kushner, who indicated that Mr. Trump believed he was acting in Israel’s interests and that Mr. Netanyahu was not.

Mr. Trump went on to push Mr. Netanyahu into agreeing to his Gaza peace plan — including an acknowledgment of Palestinian aspirations to statehood, which the Israeli leader adamantly opposes. A day later, Mr. Trump told Axios: “He’s got to be fine with it. He has no choice. With me, you got to be fine.”

For all of his tough talk toward Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Trump and his aides remain supportive of Israel, as he demonstrated abundantly on his trip to Jerusalem this month. And he continues to threaten Hamas with harsh action if it fails to meet its commitment to return all the bodies of Israelis — though in a social media post on Saturday, he made it clear that “other countries” would be the ones to “take action” against Hamas if it did not comply.

[...]


The U.S. effort to sustain the truce in Gaza appears to have constrained Mr. Netanyahu as well.

On the ground, Israeli officials are accustoming themselves to a new arrangement in which U.S. counterparts appear to be taking a more assertive role in maintaining the cease-fire. When Israel threatened to stop all humanitarian aid from entering Gaza after two of its soldiers were killed on Oct. 19, the order was reversed within hours, and trucks carried aid into Gaza the next day. Israeli news media attributed the reversal to U.S. intervention.

The details of that arrangement are taking shape at a new Civil-Military Coordination Center, set up by about 200 U.S. military personnel in Kiryat Gat, in southern Israel. Both Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio toured the center last week.

U.S. military officials said the center would monitor the fulfillment of the cease-fire agreement and help facilitate the flow of humanitarian, logistical and security assistance from international counterparts into Gaza.

The United States has even begun operating drones over Gaza, suggesting that officials want to have their own understanding, independent of Israel’s, of what is happening.

It is all quite a bit for Israelis to process.

It was not so long ago that Mr. Netanyahu plastered giant campaign billboards on skyscrapers in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv showing his face alongside Mr. Trump’s, with a slogan proclaiming him in “another league.”

Now, Mr. Netanyahu appears diminished in stature next to the president, Mr. Hazan said, like the governor of a state rather than the leader of a country.

A survey by Israeli’s public broadcaster on Sunday found that 48 percent of Israelis believed Israel had become a “U.S. protectorate.” Only 29 percent disagreed.

In remarks to his cabinet on Sunday, Mr. Netanyahu felt compelled to address the issue head-on.

“Israel is an independent country,” he said, repeating himself moments later.

That he had to say so — twice — was its own admission.

[...]

"I think Bibi understands better than Trump that Trump can undermine his electoral prospects with one social post,” said Nimrod Novik, who was an adviser to former Prime Minister Shimon Peres and is now a fellow at the Israel Policy Forum.

“The moment Trump distances himself from him — either by saying, ‘This guy is bad news,’ or even more softly, by saying, ‘I will work equally closely with any Israeli prime minister’ — that’s enough to affect things.”


More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/27/world/middleeast/trump-netanyahu-relationship.html.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Previously published:

White House Works to Preserve Gaza Deal Amid Concerns About Netanyahu
The Trump administration strategy is to try to keep Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel from resuming an all-out assault against Hamas, U.S. officials said.
New York Times, Oct 20. 2025

Several Trump officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said there is concern within the administration that Mr. Netanyahu may vacate the deal. The strategy now, the officials say, is for Mr. Vance, Mr. Witkoff and Mr. Kushner to try to keep Mr. Netanyahu from resuming an all-out assault against Hamas.

More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/20/us/politics/trump-gaza-israel-netanyahu.html

[Right_in_Virginia]

Reason #4:

While All Eyes Are on Gaza, Trump's Major Achievement Is Burying the Illusion of West Bank Annexation
When the Israeli public wakes up from its slumber, the significance of the American 'No' will sink in: October 2025 will be remembered in the history of the conflict as marking the death of annexationist delusions
Haaretz, Oct 28, 2025

The focus in the public discourse on the Gaza war and the hostages makes it easy to miss the supreme importance of what U.S. President Donald Trump inflicted on Israel's right wing. He crushed it so that there would be no redemption, to use a term the current government is so fond of.

An outsider had put a halt to extremism here in Israel. The madness of annexation, ethnic cleansing and expansion has been shelved. Trump shot the apple of the settlers' eye. The entire electoral platforms of Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir's, and a portion of Likud's and of Naftali Bennett's, have unraveled beyond repair.

In the 48 years since the Labor Party's first electoral loss, Likud and its governments have had four leaders. All of them – Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon – reached that position imbued with an ideological fighting spirit and expectations of enlisting Washington to their side, but when they went from quiet action to illusions, they hit the iron wall of the American administrations.
The focus in the public discourse on the Gaza war and the hostages makes it easy to miss the supreme importance of what U.S. President Donald Trump inflicted on Israel's right wing. He crushed it so that there would be no redemption, to use a term the current government is so fond of.

An outsider had put a halt to extremism here in Israel. The madness of annexation, ethnic cleansing and expansion has been shelved. Trump shot the apple of the settlers' eye. The entire electoral platforms of Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir's, and a portion of Likud's and of Naftali Bennett's, have unraveled beyond repair.

In the 48 years since the Labor Party's first electoral loss, Likud and its governments have had four leaders. All of them – Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon – reached that position imbued with an ideological fighting spirit and expectations of enlisting Washington to their side, but when they went from quiet action to illusions, they hit the iron wall of the American administrations.


More:  https://www.haaretz.com/2025-10-28/ty-article/.premium/trumps-major-achievement-is-burying-the-illusion-of-west-bank-annexation/0000019a-2656-d4d3-a3fa-6f57f1480000

[Cyber Liberty]

Previously published:

There goes that bad guy Netanyahu again!  Bibi's gonna do what he needs to do, US be damned....

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Guardian Updates
Oct 28, 2025
35m ago

JD Vance says ceasefire is holding despite 'skirmishes here and there'

US vice president JD Vance said that Gaza’s ceasefire is holding, Reuters reports.

“The ceasefire is holding. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t going to be little skirmishes here and there,” he said.

“We know that Hamas or somebody else within Gaza attacked an (Israeli military) soldier. We expect the Israelis are going to respond, but I think the President’s peace is going to hold despite that,” Vance continued.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/oct/28/middle-east-crisis-israel-gaza-benjamin-netanyahu-orders-strikes-hamas-live-latest-updates

[Right_in_Virginia]

Gaza ceasefire is holding, says US Vice President JD Vance
Vance added that 'little skirmishes' are expected here and there, but that he expects Trump's peace plan to hold despite them.
Jerusalem Post, Oct 28, 2025

US Vice President JD Vance said on Tuesday that the ceasefire in Gaza was holding despite Israeli strikes in Gaza City, and both Israel and Hamas are accusing each other of violations.

"The ceasefire is holding. That doesn't mean that there aren't going to be little skirmishes here and there," Vance told reporters.

"We know that Hamas or somebody else within Gaza attacked an [IDF] soldier. We expect the Israelis are going to respond, but I think [US President Donald Trump's] peace is going to hold despite that."


https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-871975.

[Cyber Liberty]

IDF soldiers are being killed, so it doesn't look like the deal is holding all that well.

[Kamaji]

According to certain people, the Jews are just plain evil and are not allowed to defend themselves.  When they do, they’re just evil. 

[GtHawk]

According to certain people, the Jews are just plain evil and are not allowed to defend themselves.  When they do, they’re just evil.

Shouldn’t that be when they do they become extra evil? I guess the Jews didn’t understand that only they were supposed to respect the cease fire, and the Palis being the dumbasses they are just can’t learn that if they violate the cease fire, the Jews are going to respond between ten and a hundred fold depending.

[berdie]

There goes that bad guy Netanyahu again!  Bibi's gonna do what he needs to do, US be damned....

I hope this is true...and am inclined to believe it is. And the US may need to temper it's response. After all, we aren't the ones under the gun.
I would hope that if we were in a similar situation the government would respond in the same manner.

[Wingnut]

Carpet bomb the place and be done with the RiV types.

[Hoodat]

Her position on her position has evolved.

Her "terms for debate" [sic] consist of not holding her accountable for anything she posts. Ever.  As long as you never question anything she says, she is willing to engage in discussion.  It's a Catch-22.