Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]

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Gabriel Epstein
@GabrielEpsteinX

An example of the challenge of assessing the Gaza death toll: Khaled Nasser Suleiman Abu Nasser, identified by his family as having been killed while participating in the October 7 attack ("battle of glory and dignity") day-of, first appears only in the July 30, 2025 MOH list.



11:49 AM · Oct 1, 2025  ·  6,560 Views

https://x.com/GabrielEpsteinX/status/1973414911729373471

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Netanyahu says Hamas violated ceasefire by returning remains of hostage already retrieved

Mataeo Smith  •  13h



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the body parts of a hostage delivered by Hamas Tuesday matched the remains of a hostage IDF troops recovered in Gaza two years ago.

The Israeli military recovered the bodies of some 51 hostages during the two years of the Israel-Hamas war in the coastal territory. Netanyahu called the return of body parts a "clear violation" of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire agreement by Hamas.

There are still 13 bodies of hostages in Gaza, and the slow recovery of those remains is posing a challenge to implementing the next stages of the ceasefire.

Hamas has said it is struggling to locate the bodies amid the vast destruction in Gaza, while Israel has accused the militant group of purposely delaying their return.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-says-hamas-violated-ceasefire-by-returning-remains-of-hostage-already-retrieved/ar-AA1Pljkl

[Right_in_Virginia]

I hope this is true...and am inclined to believe it is. And the US may need to temper it's response. After all, we aren't the ones under the gun.
I would hope that if we were in a similar situation the government would respond in the same manner.

I'm not sure about this @berdie   My quick take on this: 

* The battle with the Palestinians may have begun as an existential threat for Israel, but after 58 years, that's no longer the case,
* The dynamics in the ME are dramatically different now --- Trump is redefining the goals of peace, stability and prosperity so Israel's and the Greater Middle East's dovetail ---- possibly a once in a lifetime opportunity for Israel.
*  Only two stand to lose in this peace proposal:  One is the Hamas leadership --- and theirs is truly a choice between life and death, and I'm pretty confident the Arabs will remind them of this, without mercy. So, they should come along nicely, albeit a little slowly.
*. The other who stands to lose in this peace proposal is Benjamin Netanyahu --- and his is a choice between political power and retirement in the hinterlands.  I'm pretty sure Netanyahu's going to fight with everything he's got because peace means he stands before the Israeli people and a judicial tribunal and explains how Oct 7 happened --- making peace strong political kryptonite for Mr. Security.

Actual peace, stability and prosperity, with regional support, is not only possible, it's likely.

If Netanyahu wants to break with the Trump administration, he is certainly free to do so.  But, I can't pretend it's the best choice for Israel.

[berdie]

I'm not sure about this @berdie   My quick take on this: 

* The battle with the Palestinians may have begun as an existential threat for Israel, but after 58 years, that's no longer the case,
* The dynamics in the ME are dramatically different now --- Trump is redefining the goals of peace, stability and prosperity so Israel's and the Greater Middle East's dovetail ---- possibly a once in a lifetime opportunity for Israel.
*  Only two stand to lose in this peace proposal:  One is the Hamas leadership --- and theirs is truly a choice between life and death, and I'm pretty confident the Arabs will remind them of this, without mercy. So, they should come along nicely, albeit a little slowly.
*. The other who stands to lose in this peace proposal is Benjamin Netanyahu --- and his is a choice between political power and retirement in the hinterlands.  I'm pretty sure Netanyahu's going to fight with everything he's got because peace means he stands before the Israeli people and a judicial tribunal and explains how Oct 7 happened --- making peace strong political kryptonite for Mr. Security.

Actual peace, stability and prosperity, with regional support, is not only possible, it's likely.

If Netanyahu wants to break with the Trump administration, he is certainly free to do so.  But, I can't pretend it's the best choice for Israel.

Well, @Right_in_Virginia , I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

The battle with the Palestinians may not be a threat to Isreal any longer. But unfortunately, Hamas seems to be in charge of the area. They most definitely are a threat. I'm sure you remember 10/7. I don't think they have any intention of giving up control. 

The complexion of the area may be changing. The Arab countries seem to be involved. But the relations between these countries and Israel isn't the problem. The problem, in my mind, is the terrorist organizations that operate and are harbored within these countries . I understand that Iran is the primary problem. Although somewhat hamstringed, they are no way down and out. I don't know how you go about peace with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis in existence.

Consequently, Bibi really can't lay down his arms. It's a matter of security. Political security for him? Perhaps. But I don't think so. He loves his country. As far as standing before a judicial tribunal and the Jewish people goes, I would find that to be a travesty. There is only so much a country's leader can do to protect it. People have a tendency to have to play "the blame game". I have read that FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor and, of course, GWB was responsible for 9/11. I regard these things as bohonkus. Face it...we live (and always have) in a very dangerous world. Much like in personal life, you can do as many preventative measures as you can but if the bad guys really want to rob or murder you, if they are truly determined...

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, @Right_in_Virginia , I agree with some of your points and disagree with others.

The battle with the Palestinians may not be a threat to Isreal any longer. But unfortunately, Hamas seems to be in charge of the area. They most definitely are a threat. I'm sure you remember 10/7. I don't think they have any intention of giving up control. 

@berdie

The peace plan calls for Hamas to be off the Strip and replaced for an interim period by the ISF, as outlined in the peace agreement.  (I, too, wish they'd move this along ....). After that, elections will be called with reformed Palestinian Authority members likely forming a new government.

The complexion of the area may be changing. The Arab countries seem to be involved. But the relations between these countries and Israel isn't the problem. The problem, in my mind, is the terrorist organizations that operate and are harbored within these countries . I understand that Iran is the primary problem. Although somewhat hamstringed, they are no way down and out.

I don't know how you go about peace with Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis in existence.

Hopefully, we're going to find out ....      .   

Consequently, Bibi really can't lay down his arms. It's a matter of security.

The peace agreement doesn't call for Israel to disarm.  Israel will keep all their weapons, including their nuclear arsenal.

Political security for him (Bibi)? Perhaps. But I don't think so. He loves his country.

These are not mutually exclusive.

As far as standing before a judicial tribunal and the Jewish people goes, I would find that to be a travesty. There is only so much a country's leader can do to protect it. People have a tendency to have to play "the blame game". I have read that FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbor and, of course, GWB was responsible for 9/11. I regard these things as bohonkus. Face it...we live (and always have) in a very dangerous world. Much like in personal life, you can do as many preventative measures as you can but if the bad guys really want to rob or murder you, if they are truly determined...

FWIW, members of the IDF and Shin Bet resigned shortly after the Oct 7 attack, with apologies.  At the time, Netanyahu said he would answer questions when the fighting stopped.

Netanyahu needs to explain the tunnels, the money transfers, ignoring the IDF and Shin Bet warnings ---- and just how he lost control of Israel's security.

[DefiantMassRINO]

It only takes one person with the support of a nation state, wealthy sponsor, or well-financed terrorist organization to be a security threat to Israel ... especially as Iran gets closer to having nukes.

Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack was Iran's attempt to sabotage the Abraham Accords.

[txradioguy]

It only takes one person with the support of a nation state, wealthy sponsor, or well-financed terrorist organization to be a security threat to Israel ... especially as Iran gets closer to having nukes.

Hamas' October 7, 2023, attack was Iran's attempt to sabotage the Abraham Accords.

And it was funded in large part thanks to the Biden administration.

[Right_in_Virginia]

UN Security Council approves US resolution endorsing Trump’s Gaza peace plan
Nov 17, 2025

The UN Security Council votes in favor of a US resolution bolstering Donald Trump’s Gaza peace plan that includes the deployment of an international force and a path to a future Palestinian state.

There were 13 votes in favor of the text, which Washington heralds after the vote as “historic and constructive,” with Russia and China abstaining and no vetoes.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-18-2025/

[Timber Rattler]

So how's that peace plan working out?

Hamas quietly reasserts control in Gaza as post-war talks grind on

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-quietly-reasserts-control-gaza-post-war-talks-grind-2025-11-14/

[Right_in_Virginia]

UN vote delivers a heavy blow to Israel’s right-wing and rewrites the Gaza future
Opinion: UN Security Council’s new framework for Gaza delivers a heavy setback to Israel’s right wing, rejects its core demands and marks a decisive shift toward international oversight, expanded regional involvement
Ynet Global, Nov 18, 2025

The claim that last night’s UN Security Council decision was the product of a plan devised by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is untrue, and so is the claim that the war could have ended on its first day in precisely the same way. Still, the decision represents a significant step in the internationalization of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and a move that could open the door to regional normalization — and there is room for optimism.

The resolution lays out a framework that includes an armed international force in Gaza, limited involvement for a reformed Palestinian Authority and a vague reference to a possible path toward a Palestinian state. Its language is deliberately evasive, yet it marks the first time the Security Council has ordered an armed deployment into territory captured in 1967 to serve as a buffer between Israelis and Palestinians. It also establishes a governing authority in Gaza that is neither Israel nor the PA, one that would operate without relying on Israel’s approval — a profound shift.

None of this resembles the vision promoted by Israel’s current right-wing government since it took office, especially after Oct. 7. Netanyahu has consistently rejected PA involvement, dismissed any diplomatic mention of a Palestinian state and framed the war’s goal as “total victory.” Had such a proposal been presented to him on Oct. 8, his response would likely have been a thunderous rejection.

At the same time, it is false to portray the outcome as a carefully engineered Israeli achievement that Netanyahu and Ron Dermer planned from the start. On the very day the Security Council adopted its decision, Washington announced it would sell F-35 jets to Saudi Arabia despite Israel’s objections, raising questions about Israel’s ability to maintain its qualitative military edge once Turkey and Saudi Arabia have the aircraft. Netanyahu quickly distanced himself from the matter, leaving the fallout to the security establishment.

The same U.S. administration has stated that no Palestinians will be expelled from Gaza and made clear that no annexation will take place in the West Bank, a long-standing aspiration of Israel’s political right.

Netanyahu still hopes for the beginning of a normalization process with the Saudis, even if only for a pre-election photo. But Saudi officials have said that Israel’s standing in the kingdom has “significantly” deteriorated and that recognition requires a “real and tangible” path to a Palestinian state. Their trust in Netanyahu, they have hinted, is minimal. Any step forward would likely come as a gesture toward Trump at the order of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, despite Netanyahu, not because of him.
 
What happened at the Security Council is therefore not merely another diplomatic document. It is a fundamental shift — the beginning of a new international role in managing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and an attempt to reshape the regional landscape. For all the complications and all the political discomfort it may cause Jerusalem, it may also be a reason to look ahead with cautious optimism.


https://www.ynetnews.com/opinions-analysis/article/hyy00rqfgbe

[Timber Rattler]

Can't wait to see how this "armed international force" works out in Gaza...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bswX4atK4rE

[Smokin Joe]

@Widget Jr



Clearly you know more specifics about the IDF than do I,  but that proverbial sniff test says given two years "the best armed and best trained military in the world" could defeat first century goat herders --- period.

Gee, like the best trained and equipped army in the world could whip a bunch of rice farmers...(who also had extensive tunnel networks).

NEVER underestimate your enemy.

[Kamaji]

Gee, like the best trained and equipped army in the world could whip a bunch of rice farmers...(who also had extensive tunnel networks).

NEVER underestimate your enemy.