Trump's message to Hamas...[peace deal reached]

[libertybele]

I heard plenty of cheers as well @Right_in_Virginia .

And truthfully, there are people in this country that disagree with the current admin in this country and boo Trump...or whoever is president.

I don't see that Israel is much different than the US or most other countries. Some people like, some people don't. There is a pretty large constituency of liberals there. Just as there is here.

But I stand with BiBi and Israel as a nation.

 

[Hoodat]

No, it's not @Cyber Liberty   Benjamin Netanyahu has done more to harm and divide Israel in the last 10 years than any other politician, ever. 

[Hoodat]

It consumes so much of you that you don't bother to answer pings to other threads asking your opinion about political races in Virginia!

The forum's ignore list is not by category. 

Yet you just responded here to the same poster.  Go figure.  So, your insinuation about the questioner being on ignore was yet another LIE.

[libertybele]

@Right_in_Virginia where is your solid proof that Bibi is the monster that you claim him to be?  Propaganda runs deep, facts get distorted, history gets rewritten so the only thing that we can count on is what is clearly stated in the Bible regarding Israel.

Israel remains standing and is saved.  Whether it happens through Bibi or not I don't know. Whether that happens in our lifetime is also unknown.

Not all of Israel are fans of Bibi, but he is their leader and they all have to deal with the cards dealt them right now.

You certainly have made it seem that Bibi has deliberately put the Israelis in jeopardy because of his lack of leadership and faithfulness to the people.

So, I'll ask you then based on your opinion and what you have posted; who is the bigger monster that the Jewish people need to fear, Hamas or Bibi?

[Hoodat]

I don't know @libertybele --- but this was the longest I've heard Jared speak and he appeared sincere --- in wanting a lasting peace, fair to both sides.

Hamas doesn't want peace.  Read their charter.

You do remember Hamas, right?  And their supporters?  Surely you remember.  You were the one here comparing them to 18th century American patriots.  Hamas.  Yeah, that was you doing that.  And everyone here knows it.  Here's the photo again:



Look at the size of that crowd celebrating 30 years of Jew-killing by Hamas.  And YOU compared them to American patriots demonstrating against the British monarchy.  So stop bullshitting us about your love for Israel.  Do you know what happens to all liars?  Rev 21:8

[Hoodat]

And then there's this:  Netanyahu, Likud Party Surge in Polls After Victory, Hostage Deal

[Hoodat]

Bibi tells it like it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxIl0xTnExA

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia where is your solid proof that Bibi is the monster that you claim him to be?

I have presented my case, with specificity @libertybele  --- and I have done so ad nauseam.  It is now up to you to disprove it to your heart's content.   Or, we can simply agree to disagree as we have on other issues.  No harm, no foul.

You certainly have made it seem that Bibi has deliberately put the Israelis in jeopardy because of his lack of leadership and faithfulness to the people.

For two years I have posted link after link presenting information and opinion that Netanyahu's decades of gamesmanship with his most sacred responsibilities blew up in his face on Oct 7 and splattered all over Israeli lives and their futures.  It is my opinion that October 7 is the day Mr. Security's chickens came home to roost.

So, I'll ask you then based on your opinion and what you have posted; who is the bigger monster that the Jewish people need to fear, Hamas or Bibi?

Are you asking:  "Who's the bigger monster to be feared by the Israelis:  The one plotting to kill them or the one promising to keep them safe with his fingers crossed behind his back?"

[Idiot]

Bibi tells it like it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxIl0xTnExA

Excellent watch.

[libertybele]

I have presented my case, with specificity @libertybele  --- and I have done so ad nauseam.  It is now up to you to disprove it to your heart's content.   Or, we can simply agree to disagree as we have on other issues.  No harm, no foul.

For two years I have posted link after link presenting information and opinion that Netanyahu's decades of gamesmanship with his most sacred responsibilities blew up in his face on Oct 7 and splattered all over Israeli lives and their futures.  It is my opinion that October 7 is the day Mr. Security's chickens came home to roost.

Are you asking:  "Who's the bigger monster to be feared by the Israelis:  The one plotting to kill them or the one promising to keep them safe with his fingers crossed behind his back?"

@Right_in_Virginia   Ok....I accept fault for not paying more attention to the links that you have provided.  Again though, how much is fact and how much is propaganda? 

It would deeply trouble me and sadden me if indeed Netanyahu was in part responsible for not protecting his own people as you claim which in essence would boil down to years of clever deception.  I still think otherwise.

We will have to agree to disagree on this and I can only pray for the safety of Israel and that  Netanyahu  has the Israeli's best interest at heart. In fact praying also for the innocents that find themselves involved in all of this.

[Kamaji]

I have presented my case, with specificity @libertybele  --- and I have done so ad nauseam.  It is now up to you to disprove it to your heart's content.   Or, we can simply agree to disagree as we have on other issues.  No harm, no foul.

For two years I have posted link after link presenting information and opinion that Netanyahu's decades of gamesmanship with his most sacred responsibilities blew up in his face on Oct 7 and splattered all over Israeli lives and their futures.  It is my opinion that October 7 is the day Mr. Security's chickens came home to roost.

Are you asking:  "Who's the bigger monster to be feared by the Israelis:  The one plotting to kill them or the one promising to keep them safe with his fingers crossed behind his back?"

Hate does not a logical case make.  You’ve proved nothing other than your adoration of Hamas and antisemitism.

[txradioguy]

@Right_in_Virginia   Ok....I accept fault for not paying more attention to the links that you have provided.  Again though, how much is fact and how much is propaganda? 

It would deeply trouble me and sadden me if indeed Netanyahu was in part responsible for not protecting his own people as you claim which in essence would boil down to years of clever deception.  I still think otherwise.

We will have to agree to disagree on this and I can only pray for the safety of Israel and that  Netanyahu  has the Israeli's best interest at heart. In fact praying also for the innocents that find themselves involved in all of this.

Never forget you're dealing with a Hamas and "Palestinian" propagandist.  When she's telling you things like what I put in bold.  It's not coming from a factual knowledge base.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.  On the plus side this development provides hours of bonding entertainment for a handful of malcontents  ---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?  Before you decide, remember:

* Netanyahu has been at the top of the Israeli power pyramid since James Baker banned him from the State Department over 30 years ago for "lying" --- and Israel has been at war for all 30+ years.

 * Netanyahu's political journey includes six terms as Prime Minister serving for 19 years to date.  The worst attack on the State of Israel occurred n Netanyahu's 17th year as Prime Minister,

* Netanyahu is a mortal politican, not a king,

* Netanyahu is not the only Jew in Israel,

* Wanting a change in Israeli leadership to one that delivers ethical, honest stewardship and is not reliant upon war to retain power --- is a positive for Israel's security, stability and prosperity --- not an endorsement of Hamas, or any enemy of Israel.

* Change doesn't have to be frightening.

[Wingnut]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.

I've upped my standards. Now, up yours.

[Kamaji]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.  On the plus side this development provides hours of bonding entertainment for a handful of malcontents  ---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?  Before you decide, remember:

If you don’t like being called a liar, an antisemite, and a shill for Hamas, then perhaps you should stop lying, get over your antisemitism, and stop shilling for Hamas. 


Facts are facts, regardless of whether you feel insulted by them. 

[txradioguy]

If you don’t like being called a liar, an antisemite, and a shill for Hamas, then perhaps you should stop lying, get over your antisemitism, and stop shilling for Hamas. 


Facts are facts, regardless of whether you feel insulted by them.

QFT

[Cyber Liberty]

If you don’t like being called a liar, an antisemite, and a shill for Hamas, then perhaps you should stop lying, get over your antisemitism, and stop shilling for Hamas. 


Facts are facts, regardless of whether you feel insulted by them.

Awesome!

[Right_in_Virginia]

I see the bonding entertainment crowd is anti- debate. 

[Hoodat]

---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?  And I'm not the only one here who has experienced that with you.

A conversation is a two-way street.  But that's not how propagandists like you operate.  They litter the boards with leaflets, and then fly off leaving themselves unavailable for any discussion or explanation on what those leaflets say.  And above everything, they have an overbearing disregard for anything truthful.  Time after time, you have made claims here that are demonstrably false.  Yet when challenged or presented with evidence proving the perfidy of your statements, you simply run away from that "actual conversation" you falsely claim to seek.  And within a few months, you come right back posting the same false claim again, with full knowledge that said claim has already been soundly disproven here.

This is what liars do.  This is what you do.  You're not interested in conversation or debate.

I recall one case back in 2022 where you falsely accused me of posting 'propaganda' from the Kyiv Independent on the Ukraine thread.  So I challenged you to back your claim by citing a single instance of me doing that.  I even said I would donate $100 to TBR if you could show one post of mine where I did that.  And what did you do?  You disappeared.  You ignored my challenge.  You rejected debate.  You rejected conversation.  And worst of all, you let your lie stand.  No retraction.  No admission of a mistake.  Nope, you simply let the lie stand. 

[Kamaji]

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?  And I'm not the only one here who has experienced that with you.

A conversation is a two-way street.  But that's not how propagandists like you operate.  They litter the boards with leaflets, and then fly off leaving themselves unavailable for any discussion or explanation on what those leaflets say.  And above everything, they have an overbearing disregard for anything truthful.  Time after time, you have made claims here that are demonstrably false.  Yet when challenged or presented with evidence proving the perfidy of your statements, you simply run away from that "actual conversation" you falsely claim to seek.  And within a few months, you come right back posting the same false claim again, with full knowledge that said claim has already been soundly disproven here.

This is what liars do.  This is what you do.  You're not interested in conversation or debate.

I recall one case back in 2022 where you falsely accused me of posting 'propaganda' from the Kyiv Independent on the Ukraine thread.  So I challenged you to back your claim by citing a single instance of me doing that.  I even said I would donate $100 to TBR if you could show one post of mine where I did that.  And what did you do?  You disappeared.  You ignored my challenge.  You rejected debate.  You rejected conversation.  And worst of all, you let your lie stand.  No retraction.  No admission of a mistake.  Nope, you simply let the lie stand. 

Exactly

[libertybele]

Wow, the personal insults being thrown at me have reached a fever pitch around here, even migrating to other threads.  On the plus side this development provides hours of bonding entertainment for a handful of malcontents  ---- but on the negative side, it stifles conversation, debate, and blocks entrance to the arena of ideas.

So, how about an actual conversation about information?  Before you decide, remember:

I've conversed with you on a non-confrontational level and believe I have refrained from the insults.  You have the absolute right to your opinion.

Who is asking for a change in Israeli leadership??  Of course Bibi isn't king, nor is he the only Jew.  Those comments are really condescending at best and pretty thin and doesn't prove anything @Right_in_Virginia

If you are a Hamas supporter, so be it.  If you support Israel and not Bibi (which is what I have assumed) then again we have to agree to disagree.  I have not gone back to look at the links you say you have provided -- I accept that you have provided those links.   So moving forward with a discussion instead of the spears that are being thrown at you:

Again, propaganda is vicious and repeat lies enough times and people will begin to believe it.

I am a strong supporter of the late Charlie Kirk -- he lays out a plan for Bibi so that misinformation is corrected...I think that his credibility is strong and undeniable and that the message he relayed is spot on.  As Kirk notes, Israel is losing the information war; that is troubling and something that I think you should strongly consider if indeed you stand with Israel.  If you don't then this is a mute point.

https://x.com/RealSaavedra/status/1972763775377064136/photo/1

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirks-letter-to-netanyahu-revealed-read-in-full-10804835

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I've conversed with you on a non-confrontational level and believe I have refrained from the insults.  You have the absolute right to your opinion.

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Yes, we have @libertybele , and I appreciate it.     

Who is asking for a change in Israeli leadership??

Well, I am --- on behalf of a couple of million Israelis. 

Of course Bibi isn't king, nor is he the only Jew.  Those comments are really condescending at best and pretty thin and doesn't prove anything @Right_in_Virginia

Condescension is not and was not my intent.

Since I frequently point out Netanyahu's shortcomings, with receipts, I am frequently called an anti-Semite.  Reminding those that do this that Netanyahu is a mere mortal is a reminder Netanyahu is not above critique and further,  calling for another Jew to replace him is not evidence of anti-Semitism.

If you are a Hamas supporter, so be it.

I am not.

if you support Israel and not Bibi (which is what I have assumed) then again we have to agree to disagree.  I have not gone back to look at the links you say you have provided -- I accept that you have provided those links.   So moving forward with a discussion instead of the spears that are being thrown at you:

Again, propaganda is vicious and repeat lies enough times and people will begin to believe it.

I'm not sure what the point is here ..... So, I'll restate mine:  If you, or anyone, disagrees with me or what I post, say so clearly and toss in a link or two with counter-information I can read and consider.  I'll let you know what I think of it.  And, bada bing, bada boom --- we're having a conversation. 

That's all I'm asking.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

What a load of crap coming from you.  Do you have any idea how many times I have tried to engage you on these boards?  How many questions I have asked you, only to be met with silence again and again and again?

If *you* want to have a conversion with me, here's what you should do @Hoodat :  Apologize for calling me a liar, read what I post, linked source included, before tossing out your accusations masquerading as questions, and promise to move beyond your "gotcha" mentality and stop keeping records on Briefers's posts FOR YEARS,.  ----   Absent this, please feel free to sit down, stick your thumb back in your nose and find someone else to stalk.

The choice is yours.

[Hoodat]

@Right_in_Virginia

I apologize for calling you a liar.  I do not apologize for calling out the lies that you post.  Truth is truth.

Now that that's out of the way, let's have that conversation.  Why did you post those images depicting American patriots protesting British rule in the 1770s as a comparison with crowds in Gaza celebrating 30 years of Hamas?  How do you justify equating the two?  And later after deleting that post, you  ignored several attempts to engage you in conversation about it.  So what do you have to say?  I'm all ears.

[libertybele]

.

Yes, we have @libertybele , and I appreciate it.     

Well, I am --- on behalf of a couple of million Israelis. 

Condescension is not and was not my intent.  When I point out that after 30+ years in power, 19 as Prime Minister, with the worst attack on Israel occurring in his 17th year as PM, it's time for Mr.Security to retire and pass the torch to a new generation of leaders ---  I am called an anti-semite. 

Since I frequently point out Netanyahu's shortcomings, with receipts, I am frequently called an anti-Semite.  Reminding those that do this that Netanyahu is a mere mortal is a reminder Netanyahu is not above critique and further,  calling for another Jew to replace him is not evidence of anti-Semitism.

I am not.

I'm not sure what the point is here ..... So, I'll restate mine:  If you, or anyone, disagrees with me or what I post, say so clearly and toss in a link or two with counter-information I can read and consider.  I'll let you know what I think of it.  And, bada bing, bada boom --- we're having a conversation. 

That's all I'm asking.   

@Right_in_Virginia   The point of the conversation is propaganda and disinformation that is out there. The links that I provided is a letter written to Bibi by Charlie Kirk.  Charlie Kirk was by far one of the most honest and conservative people fighting for conservatism, patriotism  and this country and to transform the liberal ideology on college campuses.  His attempts of depicting conservatism working was not just limited to this country. He was IMHO a genius at what he did; listening, giving pause for others to think about and the ability to connect especially with the young crowds.

His letter to Bibi, if you read it, lays out clearly how Israel is losing the information war and a remedy; all pointing to him experiencing and noting the disinformation and propaganda against Israel that is out there.

All I'm asking is that you consider that the 'facts' that you have linked to may purely be propaganda against Bibi and Israel.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Now that that's out of the way, let's have that conversation.  Why did you post those images depicting American patriots protesting British rule in the 1770s as a comparison with crowds in Gaza celebrating 30 years of Hamas?  How do you justify equating the two?  And later after deleting that post, you  ignored several attempts to engage you in conversation about it.  So what do you have to say?  I'm all ears.

Where's your promise to move beyond your "gotcha" mentality and stop keeping records on Briefers's posts FOR YEARS @Hoodat  Did I miss that?

[Hoodat]

QED

[Right_in_Virginia]

The point of the conversation is propaganda and disinformation that is out there. The links that I provided is a letter written to Bibi by Charlie Kirk. 

His letter to Bibi, if you read it, lays out clearly how Israel is losing the information war and a remedy; all pointing to the disinformation and propaganda against Israel that is out there.

Yes, I've read the letter from Charlie.  It was heartfelt, for sure.  But, I don't think better strategies for fighting "misinformation" fixes the root of Netanyahu's problems.  Sorry, I just don't @libertybele

All I'm asking is that you consider that the 'facts' that you have linked to may purely be propaganda against Bibi and Israel.

That's fair and good advice.  I try to follow it, often providing more than one source.  So, let me assure you I do my very best to stay aware and on guard for "propaganda alerts".    And, you are always welcome to point me to information contrary to what I've posted.