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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #101 on: July 06, 2025, 05:37:29 pm »
Locals and campers were blindsided by the sudden surge of 20-26 feet on the Guadalupe River

We keep hearing this from Big Media over and over ... but, really? It was preceeded by freaking 10 inches of rain

And Kerr County, Texas only gets 30" of rain per year ... so shouldn't getting 1/3 of that compressed into a span of just 2 days be considered a warning to get out??

(not trying to be a jerk in the midst of this terrible tragedy, just pointing out that common sense still helps a lot with basic survival ...)

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2025, 05:52:25 pm »
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"That this woman would spew her racism in the face of this tragedy is despicable"

Texas Rose wrote:
"She's a liar."

RinVa wrote:
"When did it become okay to spew this hate?  How do we allow this?  Seriously --- where's the outrage?"

This is off-topic, but something to consider.
If we are to assume that at least one-third of the citizens of this country (or even more) lean more towards what this woman is saying, then they do towards "our side"...

... how is the country (now the DISunited States) ever going to be brought back into "one piece"?
Can it be?

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2025, 05:59:02 pm »
Locals and campers were blindsided by the sudden surge of 20-26 feet on the Guadalupe River

We keep hearing this from Big Media over and over ... but, really? It was preceeded by freaking 10 inches of rain

And Kerr County, Texas only gets 30" of rain per year ... so shouldn't getting 1/3 of that compressed into a span of just 2 days be considered a warning to get out??

(not trying to be a jerk in the midst of this terrible tragedy, just pointing out that common sense still helps a lot with basic survival ...)



   It's also dumping on Limestone rock laid millions of years ago, no soil, so its a runoff to the nearest River Basin. 
   Most people that live in this area know it and respect it.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2025, 06:06:05 pm »
Disgusting and evil. Christians no doubt support this woman's charity and she hates Christians. Honestly, this deserves to be posted on its own and then shared wide and far!

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2025, 06:10:37 pm »
Locals and campers were blindsided by the sudden surge of 20-26 feet on the Guadalupe River

We keep hearing this from Big Media over and over ... but, really? It was preceeded by freaking 10 inches of rain

And Kerr County, Texas only gets 30" of rain per year ... so shouldn't getting 1/3 of that compressed into a span of just 2 days be considered a warning to get out??

(not trying to be a jerk in the midst of this terrible tragedy, just pointing out that common sense still helps a lot with basic survival ...)
When it happens after midnight, and people are asleep, and the rain can be miles away while the flood comes to you?

Some of us are savvy and respect mother nature's hissy fits enough to get clear, but many are not. Sit through enough warnings where nothing happens and there is a tendency (human nature, really) to not take them as seriously as some of them merit.

It's like blizzard warnings in North Dakota. ('Yeah, what else is new' can easily become the attitude) But drive a few hundred miles in those conditions (and I have), and you earn respect for what you are facing.

I can pretty much guarantee no one who has survived this will ever blow off a flood warning.

The question is, is there a better way to get those out, regardless of the time of day?
Cell phone alerts only work if he phone is on, and if you wake up and pay attention.

Perhaps sirens that warn of rising water levels, but even those would only give a very few minutes of lead time unless they are tied to flow monitoring upstream from the site to provide more advanced warning.

If someone wants to make AI really useful, they would have a system that integrates rainfall, rate, and the geometry of the watershed to produce automatic flood warnings with the maximum amount of lead time to evacuate.
Yes, that's done to some extent to produce warnings now, but those warnings are seen as precautionary by many and not a sign of imminent hazard. This might add a level of urgency to evacuation.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #106 on: July 06, 2025, 06:12:07 pm »
Smokin' Joe wrote:
"That this woman would spew her racism in the face of this tragedy is despicable"

Texas Rose wrote:
"She's a liar."

RinVa wrote:
"When did it become okay to spew this hate?  How do we allow this?  Seriously --- where's the outrage?"

This is off-topic, but something to consider.
If we are to assume that at least one-third of the citizens of this country (or even more) lean more towards what this woman is saying, then they do towards "our side"...

... how is the country (now the DISunited States) ever going to be brought back into "one piece"?
Can it be?
It can, but it will either take generations who eschew this hatred, or it will be relatively fast and ugly.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #107 on: July 06, 2025, 06:53:27 pm »
It can, but it will either take generations who eschew this hatred, or it will be relatively fast and ugly.

The alphabet crowd has made hating Christians fashionable.

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #111 on: July 06, 2025, 08:23:36 pm »
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/05/texas-hill-country-floods-warning-forecast-nws/

In Texas region prone to catastrophic floods,
questions grow about lack of warning


Water rose fast along the Guadalupe River, causing 68 deaths as of Sunday afternoon. Local officials said they couldn’t have seen it coming.

Paul Cobler July 5, 2025

The forecast began to look ominous in the Texas Hill Country on Thursday afternoon.

A flood watch was issued by the National Weather Service at 1:18 p.m. that predicted up to 7 inches of isolated rainfall early Friday morning in South Central Texas, including Kerr County.

By the time the sun rose on the Fourth of July, less than 24 hours later, as much as 12 inches of rain had fallen in parts of the region while its residents were asleep, according to NWS radar estimates. The Guadalupe River gauge at the unincorporated community of Hunt, where the river forks, recorded a 22-foot rise in just two hours, said Bob Fogarty, meteorologist with the NWS Austin/San Antonio office. The gauge recorded a level of 29 ½ feet before becoming completely submerged and failing, Fogarty added.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #113 on: July 06, 2025, 08:35:36 pm »
The alphabet crowd has made hating Christians fashionable.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #114 on: July 06, 2025, 08:52:55 pm »
My heart just breaks for all these families..



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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #115 on: July 06, 2025, 09:35:13 pm »
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #117 on: July 06, 2025, 11:00:17 pm »
   It's also dumping on Limestone rock laid millions of years ago, no soil, so its a runoff to the nearest River Basin. 
   Most people that live in this area know it and respect it.
All true. I grew up camping the Guadalupe River, a fabulous place but certainly required respect.

Fortunately, my dad was a meteorologist at the US Weather Bureau in Austin, so knew behaviors of the weather patterns.
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Once playing golf near there under blue skies we noticed the local creek was rising. Within minutes two foot rise with no rain.  We barely got off the course before the green was under water.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #118 on: July 06, 2025, 11:05:25 pm »
Locals and campers were blindsided by the sudden surge of 20-26 feet on the Guadalupe River

We keep hearing this from Big Media over and over ... but, really? It was preceeded by freaking 10 inches of rain

And Kerr County, Texas only gets 30" of rain per year ... so shouldn't getting 1/3 of that compressed into a span of just 2 days be considered a warning to get out??

(not trying to be a jerk in the midst of this terrible tragedy, just pointing out that common sense still helps a lot with basic survival ...)
not how it works.

One can have clear blue skies but the rain 50 miles upriver causes huge downriver flooding.  Happens with little warning.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #119 on: July 06, 2025, 11:11:20 pm »
Castro on TX Flood: Trump’s Cuts to National Weather Service ‘Should Be Investigated’

Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-TX) said that after the deadly flood of the Guadalupe River in central Texas, the Trump administration’s cuts to the National Weather Service should be investigated.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/07/06/castro-on-tx-flood-trumps-cuts-to-national-weather-service-should-be-investigated/
castro is evil.

He knows full well those cuts are not for weather forecasting but the climate change game that NWS has been playing since Obama
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
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castro is evil.

He knows full well those cuts are not for weather forecasting but the climate change game that NWS has been playing since Obama
Yeah, those lies are all over X.

About the only thing that might work are stream monitors that record and transmit water height and time to some sort of processor that would sort out rapid rises in river levels and trigger warning sirens to tell people to bug out. The gauges would have to be upstream, and the monitoring setup would have to take into account the geometry of the watercourses in order to be able to predict water levels downstream at any given point. Tributaries would have to be monitored, too.

Even then, 10 minutes or so might be the best some places get for a warning to bug out.
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