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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #150 on: July 07, 2025, 06:39:21 pm »
Sometimes shit just happens.  Try as they might the weather does not come with a California type warning label.  Life is hazardous to your health.
Yep. Something comes off a truck going down the highway and takes a bad hop, and 'game over'. You don't get to hit 'reset' and play again. When you consider that we joke about weathermen (What other job can you get it wrong every day and still have a job tomorrow>), these guys did pretty well.

Four AM is a bad time for most folks, which is why a lot of dynamic entry raids are done then--because people are at their worst in terms of being able to respond to most anything--especially something unexpected. Just one more hole in the swiss cheese that lined up...
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #151 on: July 07, 2025, 07:09:37 pm »
Excellent post, and Kudos to the meteorologist who presented it. Some things are beyond our ability to predict, and the confluence of rare and serious events can often have tragic consequences.



This is a horrible event. I understand folks wanting to place blame. It's a natural reaction. But, frankly, sometimes nature overcomes humans. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

I wouldn't give 2 cents for these politicians trying to point fingers. It's disgusting.

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #152 on: July 07, 2025, 07:32:55 pm »
Yep. Something comes off a truck going down the highway and takes a bad hop, and 'game over'. You don't get to hit 'reset' and play again. When you consider that we joke about weathermen (What other job can you get it wrong every day and still have a job tomorrow>), these guys did pretty well.

Four AM is a bad time for most folks, which is why a lot of dynamic entry raids are done then--because people are at their worst in terms of being able to respond to most anything--especially something unexpected. Just one more hole in the swiss cheese that lined up...

That very thing nearly happened to me some years ago. I was driving along minding my own business when something fell off a drilling rig approaching me, bounced one time, and exploded the door window right behind my head. A couple of milliseconds later and I would have been history.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #153 on: July 07, 2025, 07:37:59 pm »
People have been living and flourishing in the Texas hill country since LONG before the advent of the national weather service. How can that be?
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #154 on: July 07, 2025, 07:44:34 pm »
People have been living and flourishing in the Texas hill country since LONG before the advent of the national weather service. How can that be?
Well, (and from studying a few pre-european native campsites) you camp far enough away from the water that the outhouse (or whatever) doesn't make the water foul, and it takes the kids long enough to go to the river for water and come back that you have the opportunity to make another one.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #155 on: July 07, 2025, 08:18:37 pm »

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #156 on: July 07, 2025, 08:31:04 pm »
When you consider that we joke about weathermen (What other job can you get it wrong every day and still have a job tomorrow>), these guys did pretty well.
My dad was a meteorologist for the Navy in WW2 and later for his entire career with the US Weather Service.

He heard all the jokes over the years and told me once "Son, don't ever say 100% chance of rain, make it 90% chance because someone, somewhere will get no rain and think you incompetent.  Same goes in reverse for 0% chance of rain."

Ask any sailor and they will tell you how difficult it is to predict the weather, even when their lives depended upon it.

One never gets it right all the time.

Oh BTW, when he retired my dad bought a lakehouse that he scouted out that was in a 100 year flood zone.  After he passed, the house got under water twice.  Even the best can err.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #157 on: July 07, 2025, 09:07:05 pm »
These girls are the same age as my granddaughters. Oh sweet Jesus, have mercy on us. This is too hard.
I have great grands in this age group. Prayers up for the families...
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #158 on: July 07, 2025, 09:12:12 pm »
These girls are the same age as my granddaughters. Oh sweet Jesus, have mercy on us. This is too hard.

I would never recover had this happened on my watch. My heart breaks for all involved including the survivors.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #159 on: July 07, 2025, 09:12:32 pm »
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #160 on: July 07, 2025, 09:13:48 pm »
These girls are the same age as my granddaughters. Oh sweet Jesus, have mercy on us. This is too hard.

I know..my granddaughter is eight... :crying:
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #162 on: July 07, 2025, 09:32:18 pm »
I have to take a break posting on this thread...I just can't take it anymore.



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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #163 on: July 07, 2025, 10:56:37 pm »
I have to take a break posting on this thread...I just can't take it anymore.

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I give you mega credit for staying on it so long @mystery-ak

I want social media to stop trying to elicit emotional reactions from people.  At this point we understand the horror, the injustice, the magnitude of the loss.  The focus should now be on coordinating and promoting prayer services and contributions to help the families, towns and communities heal.

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #164 on: July 07, 2025, 11:59:39 pm »
I give you mega credit for staying on it so long @mystery-ak

I want social media to stop trying to elicit emotional reactions from people.  At this point we understand the horror, the injustice, the magnitude of the loss.  The focus should now be on coordinating and promoting prayer services and contributions to help the families, towns and communities heal.
Let's go one more. How about warning systems tied to actual stream flow, and not conjecture. On the ground, sirens and the like.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #165 on: Today at 12:21:56 am »
Well, we all know it was climate change and Trump's fault.


Jeez, these Democommies are just too much. 

I will say, with all our technology expertise, we should be able to establish systems that warn people in advance.  People end up dying in these flash floods across the USA with some frequency.  My first wife, her mother lived at the top of a small mountain, and below, at the base, during a flash flood, I believe 26 people were swept away from their homes and died in Shadyside, Ohio, folks that lived along the tiny roadside stream that became a huge flash of flooding water.

It happens frequently enough that the time has come to establish a process for warning people on a national basis when this type event happens. 

Most are old enough here that they remember being trained on what to do if we have a nuclear attack.  We were instructed to hide under our desks like that would provide protection.  I am not suggesting something stupid, but perhaps a system put in place where when a certain type siren goes off, people know to scramble to high ground ASAP. 

Long overdue that we do something as a nation to prevent this type of tragedy from happening.

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #166 on: Today at 07:38:45 am »
For those wondering how this happened, why there wasn't more warning, etc., this video from a Houston meteorologist explains the weather that caused the flooding pretty well, as well as laying out the timing of events:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOA6lowVozQ

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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #167 on: Today at 07:52:23 am »
I have to take a break posting on this thread...I just can't take it anymore.



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Thank you @mystery-ak as always. Now that names, faces, family members and rescuers are becoming known, this tragedy becomes so personal. You have done an amazing job.
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Re: Catastrophic flash flooding along Guadalupe River, Texas
« Reply #168 on: Today at 08:22:08 am »
The Shadyside flood @jafo010 mentioned is commemorated every year. It's painfully etched on the collective memory of the upper Ohio valley. Less than a month ago, nearby Wheeling experienced flooding that took 9 lives.

It happens all too frequently - Texas, Appalachia, wherever - and sometimes the warnings are insufficient, too late, or simply ignored.
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