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He wasn't communist enough.

How you  explain Ilhan Omar as a target on the list? Keith Ellison? They don’t come anymore left-wing than them two

https://www.yahoo.com/news/minnesota-shooting-suspect-hit-list-150258198.html

https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-lawmaker-bca-shooting-suspects-list-lawmakers-not-manifesto

Actually, don’t bother answering the question. I’m sure I’ll get some tweet or blog  that comes from Benny Johnson, Charlie Kirk, DC Draino ect ect :rolling:

To hell with what the investigators and the detectives involved in this case are saying as it relates so far to the investigation. Let’s just put our faith and trust in the blogosphere of people who have nothing to do nor are in any way involved with this investigation but still hold onto debunked conspiracy theories


Reading this thread from the beginning up to this point, this is the pattern

First the narrative.
When that’s lost,next  comes the conspiracy theories
The next step  is going  be the denial

We’re already seen people attacking his roommate who it appears,  by all accounts, to have  had nothing to do with this. Next on the list is going to be attacking the integrity of the investigators.
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There was a time in my life that I thought it would be a good experience to try to run for some kind of political office. Even if I lost, I thought I would at least enjoy the experience

There’s no way in hell I would do it now. All I would need to do is say something that we need to reform Social Security to keep it solvent and then I’d have to look over my shoulder to make sure that somebody’s not gonna take a pot shot at me for my political position.

Ten to 20 years ago I would have been considered paranoid for thinking that. Not so in modern day America.

Who wants to run for a political office in today’s political climate?
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There was a time in my life that I thought it would be a good experience to try to run for some kind of political office. Even if I lost, I thought I would at least enjoy the experience

There’s no way in hell I would do it now. All I would need to do is say something that we need to reform Social Security to keep it solvent and then I’d have to look over my shoulder to make sure that somebody’s not gonna take a pot shot at me for my political position.

Ten to 20 years ago I would have been considered paranoid for thinking that. Not so in modern day America.

I did that very thing 30 odd years ago and the thing that is cemented in my mind from that experience is that hearing people say such things as, "Truth, Truth, tell me the truth!" is utter BS. What those people really mean when they say such things is "Tell me what I want to hear and call that the truth." @LMAO
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I did that very thing 30 odd years ago and the thing that is cemented in my mind from that experience is that hearing people say such things as, "Truth, Truth, tell me the truth!" is utter BS. What those people really mean when they say such things is "Tell me what I want to hear and call that the truth." @LMAO

Which is  the reason that I would probably lose if I did run

I think I would rather lose sticking to what I believe than win through pandering


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Merged with existing thread on MN shootings.

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I read that too.  Bond is set at $5 Million.
Guess Gov Tim will have to ask his CCP buddies to pony up extra to spring his friend.
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So heroic.  *****rollingeyes*****
Gov Tim only elevates true heroes, don't u know?
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Gonna have to side with LMAO, looking more like one of us that snapped... (1993 Movie "Falling Down")... except this was somewhat well-planned with mock police car and all.

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Gonna have to side with LMAO, looking more like one of us that snapped... (1993 Movie "Falling Down")... except this was somewhat well-planned with mock police car and all.

It was a security guard company car and not a mock police car as the breathless liberal media wants you to believe.
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It was a security guard company car and not a mock police car as the breathless liberal media wants you to believe.

No

He altered an SUV to make it look like a police car


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=seaz6EcFPiw&t=40s&pp=2AEokAIB


Authorities said the suspect posed as a police officer and also modified his vehicle, a Ford SUV, to look like a police car.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/16/who-is-vance-boelter-the-suspect-in-assassination-of-minnesota-lawmaker#:~:text=“The%20face%20of%20evil.&text=Law%20enforcement%20agents%20found%20three%20AK%2D47%20assault,Sunday%20and%20shared%20by%20multiple%20news%20outlets.

Didn’t anybody notice he was altering an SUV to look like a police car? Friends?Family? Wouldn’t any one of them have any curiosity why he was altering a vehicle?  This attack wasn’t random. This was planned and researched.  He had specific targets in mind and did his homework

He had Democrats on his list that were from Wisconsin and other states

The question of the motive is still unknown. But wow. I  live right over the bridge and this is a huge story.

https://www.twincities.com/2025/06/16/prosecutor-says-suspect-in-minnesota-shooting-went-to-4-homes-as-he-sought-to-kill-lawmakers/
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No

He altered an SUV to make it look like a police car


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=seaz6EcFPiw&t=40s&pp=2AEokAIB


Authorities said the suspect posed as a police officer and also modified his vehicle, a Ford SUV, to look like a police car.



Erk. No.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/14/us/minnesota-shootings-manhunt-vance-boelter-invs

The man accused of shooting Democratic state lawmakers in Minnesota on Saturday while impersonating a police officer worked for a security company that advertised a fleet of “police type vehicles,” and other equipment that could potentially have aided him in appearing to be law enforcement.
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Erk. No.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/14/us/minnesota-shootings-manhunt-vance-boelter-invs

The man accused of shooting Democratic state lawmakers in Minnesota on Saturday while impersonating a police officer worked for a security company that advertised a fleet of “police type vehicles,” and other equipment that could potentially have aided him in appearing to be law enforcement.



Again from the above

Authorities said the suspect posed as a police officer and also modified his vehicle, a Ford SUV, to look like a police car.



So yes, POTENTIALLY he could have used a security car. But from everything that’s been reported thus far, he altered an SUV to look like a cop car

No authority as of now has stated he used his companies vehicles
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Those bumpers are pretty common in these parts. While those and the small hubcaps cry out "cop!" to many, here they also mitigate front end damage in the event of a collision with a deer, and that can be a lifesaver in winter, preserving the ability to run the engine and provide heat, if not keep moving to where you can get help.

Not sure about Minnesota, but they have deer there, too. If the guy was working security, it would not be unusual for his vehicle to look like a cop car, form follows function, and appearing to be police and not just a 'rent-a-cop' helps do security without ever claiming to be anything else.

Considering the reports of large amounts of cash and multiple passports, I think there is a lot of stuff that amounts to misdirection in this case, and in the accounts of it. Everyone wants to fit this into someone else's' political motivation and the pegs are getting frayed from being hammered into the wrong shape holes.

So, let's back up and look at the things we DO know.

Regardless of lists and manifestos, we have someone who was set up to run (cash and passports), who hid their face from ring cameras (full head mask), who dressed as a cop to gain access and try to kill or kill the two Democrats who voted with Republicans on a specific issue.

Of all the people on the supposed list, they came first. Not the highest profile people on that list, whatever the political motivation of the shooter, so why them? Were they just 'handy', or were they THE primary targets?
Who were the other lawmakers whose homes he supposedly went to (no one home)? That may help establish motive, or may be more mud in the water (knew they weren't home, confuses motive by making them look like targets when they were not).
Hiding a targeted killing in a few irrelevant (seemingly unconnected) ones might deflect attention from the actual mission, and if a paid 'hit' would muddle the back trail to the 'contract' issuer.

Cui Bono?   Why would the death of the victims be beneficial to anyone (or group)? Key to motive, unless this was the action of a raving madman--but there is an awful lot of planning involved for it just to be a 'nutter'. It reeks of something more complex than that, something with handlers or advisors in the background, perhaps even some sort of conspiracy. I am reminded of the Florida shooter who never got off a shot at Trump at the golf course, whose back trail is a mess.

The Left is blaming the Right, the Right is blaming the Left, and the answer might not lie in either place.

What other commonalities exist between the victims?

Is it just those votes or something else that provided motive (maybe even financial)?

The answer is there. The list may be a red herring.
 
That's the meat in this, all else is window dressing and may be designed to mislead.
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Those bumpers are pretty common in these parts. While those and the small hubcaps cry out "cop!" to many, here they also mitigate front end damage in the event of a collision with a deer, and that can be a lifesaver in winter, preserving the ability to run the engine and provide heat, if not keep moving to where you can get help.

Not sure about Minnesota, but they have deer there, too. If the guy was working security, it would not be unusual for his vehicle to look like a cop car, form follows function, and appearing to be police and not just a 'rent-a-cop' helps do security without ever claiming to be anything else.

Considering the reports of large amounts of cash and multiple passports, I think there is a lot of stuff that amounts to misdirection in this case, and in the accounts of it. Everyone wants to fit this into someone else's' political motivation and the pegs are getting frayed from being hammered into the wrong shape holes.

So, let's back up and look at the things we DO know.

Regardless of lists and manifestos, we have someone who was set up to run (cash and passports), who hid their face from ring cameras (full head mask), who dressed as a cop to gain access and try to kill or kill the two Democrats who voted with Republicans on a specific issue.

Of all the people on the supposed list, they came first. Not the highest profile people on that list, whatever the political motivation of the shooter, so why them? Were they just 'handy', or were they THE primary targets?
Who were the other lawmakers whose homes he supposedly went to (no one home)? That may help establish motive, or may be more mud in the water (knew they weren't home, confuses motive by making them look like targets when they were not).
Hiding a targeted killing in a few irrelevant (seemingly unconnected) ones might deflect attention from the actual mission, and if a paid 'hit' would muddle the back trail to the 'contract' issuer.

Cui Bono?   Why would the death of the victims be beneficial to anyone (or group)? Key to motive, unless this was the action of a raving madman--but there is an awful lot of planning involved for it just to be a 'nutter'. It reeks of something more complex than that, something with handlers or advisors in the background, perhaps even some sort of conspiracy. I am reminded of the Florida shooter who never got off a shot at Trump at the golf course, whose back trail is a mess.

The Left is blaming the Right, the Right is blaming the Left, and the answer might not lie in either place.

What other commonalities exist between the victims?

Is it just those votes or something else that provided motive (maybe even financial)?

The answer is there. The list may be a red herring.
 
That's the meat in this, all else is window dressing and may be designed to mislead.


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If he was working security, this makes at least the 4th occupation for him. Busy guy.
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If he was working security, this makes at least the 4th occupation for him. Busy guy.
The more we 'learn' about this guy, the less we know. That reeks of intentional muddling of the issue, with dozens of rabbit holes and false trails designed to confuse the truth. All that takes resources.
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The more we 'learn' about this guy, the less we know. That reeks of intentional muddling of the issue, with dozens of rabbit holes and false trails designed to confuse the truth. All that takes resources.

It’s also still under investigation. But the further along it goes, we, in fact, do know more

For example, the narrative that this was a leftist that was targeting Hortman because of voting against providing illegal immigrants  healthcare is gone. His killing her around the timing of her vote was more coincidence than cause

Looking at that car in the news clip I posted, how many here would open the door if there was a knock on the door in the wee hours of the morning and you saw that car with its lights flashing in your driveway , wouldn’t open the door? I know I would. Most people would

I wouldn’t now
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It’s also still under investigation. But the further along it goes, we, in fact, do know more

For example, the narrative that this was a leftist that was targeting Hortman because of voting against providing illegal immigrants  healthcare is gone. His killing her around the timing of her vote was more coincidence than cause

Looking at that car in the news clip I posted, how many here would open the door if there was a knock on the door in the wee hours of the morning and you saw that car with its lights flashing in your driveway , wouldn’t open the door? I know I would. Most people would

I wouldn’t now
No, I would not open the door. I know the livery of the local LEOs, and despite his outfit, it would not be the same. My Malinois would pick up on the mask, and she would be very vocal and aggressive toward this individual, where she gets along great with the local LEOs. (He would not have even have had a chance to knock before she alerted).
Nope, I would retreat into my home, arm myself, and call 911 to check it out.

As far as the narrative about this being a leftist who targeted the two legislators for voting to eliminate funding for illegal adults' healthcare, well that's who was shot, not anyone else on the list. Not out of play, just lost in the noise component, which is strong.
I get the impression this might not have been ideologically driven so much as a business deal (for hire), but I'm willing to wait for more definite evidence.
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As far as the narrative about this being a leftist who targeted the two legislators for voting to eliminate funding for illegal adults' healthcare, well that's who was shot, not anyone else on the list. Not out of play, just lost in the noise component, which is strong.
I get the impression this might not have been ideologically driven so much as a business deal (for hire), but I'm willing to wait for more definite evidence.

Hortman was the only one that he shot that voted to repeal healthcare for illegal immigrants. Hoffman, his second victim, did not

Other senators from swing districts, like Judy Seeberger of Afton, John Hoffman of Champlin, and Aric Putnam of St. Cloud, voted against the repeal.


https://alphanews.org/just-five-state-democrats-voted-to-repeal-taxpayer-funded-healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants/

The evidence thus far absolutely 100% points to this being ideologically driven. We’ll find out why he did it, but this does not appear to be  random.

We have a video of him, preaching against abortion and other social issues

We have a list that targets Democrats and abortion providers(Both Hortman and Hoffman supported abortion)

We have his friends stating that he was very conservative and very religious and voted for Trump

He was registered in Oklahoma  as a republican when he lived there

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2025/06/17/minnesota-shooting-suspect-vance-boelter-tied-to-oklahoma-what-we-know/84239601007/


Again, we will hear his motive at some point, but my gut tells me it’s going to  be related to abortion or other social issues such as LGBQRSTUV.

This is a huge story in Minnesota and Wisconsin because our own Democrat politicians here in Wisconsin were also on the list

https://www.fox6now.com/news/minnesota-lawmaker-shooting-wisconsin-politicians-list-safety-concerns-arise.amp






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Hortman was the only one that he shot that voted to repeal healthcare for illegal immigrants. Hoffman, his second victim, did not

Other senators from swing districts, like Judy Seeberger of Afton, John Hoffman of Champlin, and Aric Putnam of St. Cloud, voted against the repeal.


https://alphanews.org/just-five-state-democrats-voted-to-repeal-taxpayer-funded-healthcare-for-illegal-immigrants/

The evidence thus far absolutely 100% points to this being ideologically driven. We’ll find out why he did it, but this does not appear to be  random.

We have a video of him, preaching against abortion and other social issues

We have a list that targets Democrats and abortion providers(Both Hortman and Hoffman supported abortion)

We have his friends stating that he was very conservative and very religious and voted for Trump

He was registered in Oklahoma  as a republican when he lived there

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2025/06/17/minnesota-shooting-suspect-vance-boelter-tied-to-oklahoma-what-we-know/84239601007/


Again, we will hear his motive at some point, but my gut tells me it’s going to  be related to abortion or social issues

This is a huge story in Minnesota and Wisconsin because our own Democrat politicians here in Wisconsin were also on the list
Apparently that got muddled early on. You are correct.

So, what position or vote do all these people have in common that would make them targets?

I just learned more and now I know less...
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So, what position or vote do all these people have in common that would make them targets?


Appears to be abortion. Both Hortman and Hoffman were supporters of abortion rights

Whatever happened to concepts  like “agree to disagree” and “heated debate?”

With the continued breakdown of the social contract, there are quite a few amongst us who believe that using violence against those who they politically oppose is a perfectly acceptable form of expression


Look no further than our so-called esteemed universities. Look at how the students react when conservative speakers come to their campuses.


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Appears to be abortion. Both Hortman and Hoffman were supporters of abortion rights

Whatever happened to concepts  like “agree to disagree” and “heated debate?”

With the continued breakdown of the social contract, there are quite a few amongst us who believe that using violence against those who they politically oppose is a perfectly acceptable form of expression


Look no further than our so-called esteemed universities. Look at how the students react when conservative speakers come to their campuses.
There seem to be those who believe that 'chimping out' is a suitable replacement for the ballot box. Of course, if and when that does get completely out of hand (when those who are oppressed by that decide they 'have rights, too') it will be limited.
Hopefully, this nonsense can be reined in and we can return to something approaching civil discourse and disagreement.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis