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Depth of the Fordow Facility:

The facility is built inside a mountain, near the village of Fordow (about 30 km south of the city of Qom).

It is estimated to be located about 80–100 meters underground, inside rocky terrain.

The Iranians defined it as capable of withstanding conventional air bombings- therefore it is underground and heavily fortified.

The site was previously used for uranium enrichment up to 20%.

After the 2015 nuclear agreement (JCPOA), enrichment there stopped, and the facility was converted for research purposes - but Iran resumed high-level uranium enrichment there, especially after the U.S. withdrew from the agreement in 2018.

According to the IAEA, uranium is currently enriched there up to 60% - very close to weapons-grade level.

Attack considerations:

Due to its depth and the surrounding mountainous structure, bombing Fordow is considered very technically challenging and requires:

- Bunker-busting bombs (e.g., GBU-57)
- Other tactics, such as physical infiltration, cyberattacks, or sabotage from within.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Israeli forces physically reach the facility and eliminate everything there.



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Religious fanatics are the truly scary ones as they believe they are on a mission from god and be willing to die for him.
That's why so many countries in the world are terrified of Iran getting nuclear weapons. Mutually Assured Destruction theory does not work on the mullahs. They WANT Armageddon. They WANT the end of the world. No matter how many billions have to die for it.
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🚨 U.S. Navy repositioning assets to defend Israel

- Destroyer USS Thomas Hudner (DDG 116) moving to the eastern Med
- 8 additional destroyers available in 5th + 6th Fleets
- Vinson CSG still in CENTCOM (Nimitz CSG in INDOPACOM could be redirected)

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Trump gave Iran 60 days to negotiate and they refused. On day 61, Bibi unleashed Hell.  I don't see the problem.

For one thing, the US switched its demand to zero enrichment (at the behest of our Israeli overlords) after the Iranians had spent something like $100 billion on a nuclear program.  Iran was never going to agree to that.  Try to imagine how our behavior is perceived.  We "altered" the previous deal, à la Darth Vader, and then we created tension by setting an artificial deadline to meet an unreasonable demand.  Meanwhile, we operate nuclear power plants and sell our oil on the world market.  But we have always been a benevolent superpower, you might say.  Well, some folks in Japan might disagree.  We looked the other way when Israel acquired nukes (some of which were possibly stolen from us).  The Israeli government is an existential threat to the Iranian state in its present form, and they have made this clear. 

Let's assume, as is now sadly more likely than ever, the Iranians do pursue nuclear weapons.  It isn't at all obvious that they will explode them on foreign soil.  Iran is the home of an ancient civilization dating back thousands of years, and can grasp the concept of mutually assured destruction.  We tend to assume all islamists are suicidal, and that isn't the case.  Is this an outcome we should seek to avoid, by all means yes, but there was room to work with the Iranians without resorting to war.

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As Iran-Israel Conflict Escalates, Battered Hezbollah Stays Out of Fight

Tom O'Connor  |  Jun 13, 2025  |  Updated at 12:48 PM EDT


A Hezbollah spokesperson told Newsweek on Friday that the Lebanese group remains committed to a ceasefire agreement with Israel after the country launched a sweeping series of attacks against Iran.

"Hezbollah is committed to the ceasefire agreement, even though Israel has not respected this commitment over the past period," the spokesperson said. "It continues to kill, assassinate, and attack areas, including entering border villages and remaining at the five points."

Reuters also cited a Hezbollah official on Friday as saying that the group "will not initiate its own attack on Israel in retaliation for Israel's strike."  .  .  .

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-israel-conflict-escalates-battered-hezbollah-stays-out-fight-2085115
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I'm still not convinced Trump green-lighted the Israeli attack on Iran @cato potatoe   I know what he's saying now, but this is part US face-saving and part negotiations-saving,  IMHO. 

Your points are well taken, but at the same time, we deserve to know if Netanyahu went rogue.

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Your points are well taken, but at the same time, we deserve to know if Netanyahu went rogue.

What part of "Iran cannot have nuclear weapons" isn't clear?

Trump said that.

They were given 60 days to come to a resolution towards that end. They rejected it.

There's no wiggle room in that statement.

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Make no mistake, Israel has people on the ground in Iran who are privy to everything.

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What part of "Iran cannot have nuclear weapons" isn't clear?

Trump said that.

They were given 60 days to come to a resolution towards that end. They rejected it.

There's no wiggle room in that statement.

Trump says a lot of things, doesn't he.  Just recently, he said "WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY ENRICHMENT OF URANIUM," which is a long way from weapons grade.  Does he understand the difference, and what are the Iranians to make of this? 

According to the US Director of National Intelligence, Iran was not building a nuclear bomb.  Why do we have a massive intelligence apparatus, if we're going to defer to Netanyahu on the most important details?  He just tried to assassinate the lead negotiator.  The man is not to be trusted with our wellbeing. 

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So, 45 years isn't enough time to convince you that there is no negotiating with them. How much more time would you like? 5 years? 10? 20? When do we say ENOUGH? @cato potatoe

The other way to prevent this existential crisis could have been to denuclearize Israel and turn all of the Middle East into a nuclear free zone.

Granted, it would mean ending Israel's Samson option... the one Golda was so fond of.... but could have been worth it. (The "Samson option" refers to the nuclear strategy where Israel would launch a nuclear retaliatory strike if the state itself was being overrun, just as the Biblical figure Samson is said to have pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself.)

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Israelis viewed nuclear weapons as the ultimate guarantor for the existence of a Jewish state since the 1960s. However, they continued to catch up in the conventional domain vis-à-vis their Arab neighbors. According to Seymour Hersh and Israeli historian Avner Cohen, Israeli leaders like David Ben Gurion, Shimon Peres, Levi Ashkol, and Moshe Dayan coined the biblical term Samson option in the 1960s.

The Samson option can be employed in case conventional deterrence fails. The CIA believed as early as 1976, the Israelis had stockpiled 10-20 nuclear weapons. By 2002, it was estimated that the stockpiled number had increased to more than 75 thermonuclear weapons. In 2006, George W. Bush’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, admitted in a senate hearing that Israel has nuclear weapons, and two years later, former US President Jimmy Carter also said that the number of Israeli nuclear warheads is more than 150. Those testimonies by senior US officials establish the fact that Israel does possess nuclear weapon capability.

Similarly, in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, IDF was again outnumbered by the invading Arab armies. Then Israeli PM Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered that nuclear warheads be readied for launch from missiles and aircraft. The Israeli ambassador to the US, Simcha Dinitz, met with Henry Kissinger to inform President Nixon of “Very serious conclusions” if the US did not airlift arms supplies to the IDF. Nixon complied with this demand due to the threat of the use of nuclear forces. This was the first successful use of the Samson option as a threat and tantamount to nuclear blackmail.

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Make no mistake, Israel has people on the ground in Iran who are privy to everything.

Yet, the same groups on the ground in Israel miss everything from tunnels, to military weapons, to training exercises to attack plans from their other existential threat.  How is this explained?

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Granted, it would mean ending Israel's Samson option... the one Golda was so fond of.... but could have been worth it. (The "Samson option" refers to the nuclear strategy where Israel would launch a nuclear retaliatory strike if the state itself was being overrun, just as the Biblical figure Samson is said to have pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself.)

Samson was co-dependent.  Golda was not.  Neither is Bibi.  Let's not compare some long-haired hippy with a broken chooser against an entire nation.  Back then, Samson wasn't being overrun.  Israel wasn't being threatened.
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That's why so many countries in the world are terrified of Iran getting nuclear weapons. Mutually Assured Destruction theory does not work on the mullahs. They WANT Armageddon. They WANT the end of the world. No matter how many billions have to die for it.

Isn't there a Christian sect watching and waiting for Armageddon against Israel so Jesus will come back @240B






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Did Iran ever show that pilot from the fighter jet they shot down,

Visual proof of Iranian shoot down of an F-35, surrounded by giant Iranians:
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Rumors of Khameni’s death on Sunday.

There were a lot of strikes in Tehran. Roads out of town reportedly jammed, gasoline sales being limited to 15 liters.

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“If foreign forces ever enter Iran, we will burn this country to the ground. The people are our shield and our hostages.” —Ali Khamenei 2005

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That's why so many countries in the world are terrified of Iran getting nuclear weapons. Mutually Assured Destruction theory does not work on the mullahs. They WANT Armageddon. They WANT the end of the world. No matter how many billions have to die for it.

The want to bring all of humanity to paradise which means evryone has to die,m not just the odd billion.
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Your points are well taken, but at the same time, we deserve to know if Netanyahu went rogue.
Yeah, people who do not want to be nuked, and attack the one who has an announced policy of nuking them, goes rogue when they take the guy out. You are firmly in the camp of hating Israel and Jews, it seems: Israel can only attack Iran after Iran nukes them.
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The oil and gas producing, pipeline, refinery and export facilities are all fixed.  They can all be destroyed by air and missile strikes.

Iran will be decimated as its main source of income will be gone.

There is simply nothing Iran can do about it.

And all other countries depending primarily on oil have similar exposure
The world's largest gas field has now been hit and Iran's source of income there ceased.
This impacts Iran but also has big implications for Europe.

I see tariff issues coming into play here as well do to the rise in energy prices to the EU.

June 16, 2025
Is Europe Facing a New Energy Crisis?
By Thomas Klocek
Israel’s recent military strike on Iran’s nuclear capabilities and the main artery of its energy sector has reshuffled the regional deck. For Europe, the attack could signal the onset of an energy policy disaster.

It is too early to fully assess Israel’s strategic attacks on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure and energy production. Yet one thing is already clear: alongside the systematic elimination of military and nuclear targets, the precision strike on the South Pars gas field marks a dramatic escalation of military events. Located on the Persian Gulf, South Pars is currently the world’s largest operational gas field and a central pillar of the Iranian regime’s economic stability. By targeting this facility, Israel has sent a clear signal that it aims to bring about regime change in Tehran -- and is willing to risk retaliatory attacks on its own energy infrastructure to achieve that end.

Hitting Iran’s Economic Lifeline

The June 14 attack on the gas field resulted in the immediate shutdown of one of its four production units. Daily output dropped by 12 million cubic meters -- a roughly 4.4 percent decrease in Iran’s daily gas production, which totals approximately 275 billion cubic meters annually. With a domestic gas price of around $0.07 per cubic meter, the Iranian regime is now losing an estimated $840,000 per day. This is a serious blow to the country’s energy sector, as South Pars is Iran’s most important energy source.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/06/is_europe_facing_a_new_energy_crisis.html
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The Iranian Mullahs are learning Montezuma’s lesson
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I was reading the Mossad X account, which tweeted about regional interests that have come out in support of Israel. Thinking about this, I realized that I’ve seen this before—and then it hit me: We’re witnessing the fall of the Aztecs.

The Aztec Empire was a marvelous place: Well-organized, scientifically and architecturally innovative, and very, very wealthy. It was also a military powerhouse, eventually becoming the dominant power in the region.

However, as far as the Aztecs were concerned, their success was owed to their gods, and their gods were hungry gods who especially loved human hearts. While the gods would occasionally crave Aztec hearts as the highest form of sacrifice, the priests concluded that they would be satisfied with hearts from the prisoners the Aztecs collected during their successful regional wars.
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“If foreign forces ever enter Iran, we will burn this country to the ground. The people are our shield and our hostages.” —Ali Khamenei 2005

Heartwarming mindset.

He's like 86, I wonder why he isn't room temp by now?  By natural causes that is.

Israel could have eliminated Khamenei on the first night of the operation They say the Israeli government chose to keep him alive to give him a final chance to decide on completely dismantling the Islamic Republic’s uranium enrichment program.
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Isn't there a Christian sect watching and waiting for Armageddon against Israel so Jesus will come back @240B ?
That'd be pretty small compared to the number of Muslims waiting for the 12th Imam (Muhammad al-Mahdi) to come crawling out of the well. The twelver Shia are the largest sect of Shia Muslims. Keep in mind, if you die as a shaheed, you get 72 virgins, too. Mutually Assured Destruction holds no sway over people who are itching to go to paradise.
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That'd be pretty small compared to the number of Muslims waiting for the 12th Imam (Muhammad al-Mahdi) to come crawling out of the well. The twelver Shia are the largest sect of Shia Muslims. Keep in mind, if you die as a shaheed, you get 72 virgins, too. Mutually Assured Destruction holds no sway over people who are itching to go to paradise.

:amen: And to make myself perfectly clear, I LOVE the Iranian people! It's the Mullahs and Jimmah CAAATA that I despise!
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“If foreign forces ever enter Iran, we will burn this country to the ground. The people are our shield and our hostages.” —Ali Khamenei 2005

Heartwarming mindset.

Is this different from the Israeli nuclear Samson option @Lando Lincoln ?

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:amen: And to make myself perfectly clear, I LOVE the Iranian people! It's the Mullahs and Jimmah CAAATA that I despise!

The 1978 "Girls Of Iran" Playboy issue was hotter than two rats screwing in a wool sack tossed on a middle east desert in the summer..
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The 1978 "Girls Of Iran" Playboy issue was hotter than two rats screwing in a wool sack tossed on a middle east desert in the summer..
That was before the Ayatolah's bunch bagged 'em up.
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The 1978 "Girls Of Iran" Playboy issue was hotter than two rats screwing in a wool sack tossed on a middle east desert in the summer..

I've spent a few long weekends in the snow-covered mountains around Isfahan back in the day and saw the sights with my own two eyes @Wingnut
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I've spent a few long weekends in the snow-covered mountains around Isfahan back in the day and saw the sights with my own two eyes @Wingnut

Lot of light skinned blue and green eyed blonde persian women !  What's not to like!
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'Strategic Decapitation': Israel Expands Operations, Targeting Iranian Political Institutions as Netanyahu Taunts 'Weak' Regime in Tehran

Iran's foreign ministry and defense ministry both took hits on Sunday

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June 15, 2025


Israel pummeled hundreds of targets across Iran on Sunday, hitting Tehran’s military leadership, government buildings, and weapons depots—significantly intensifying operations meant to cripple the Islamic Republic’s nuclear infrastructure and destroy its hardline regime. President Donald Trump, meanwhile, said "it’s possible" the United States could enter the fray.

Israel bombed multiple Iranian energy sites overnight, settling ablaze fuel depots the regime uses to feed its military and lucrative commercial oil industry. The Israeli Air Force (IAF) hit Iran’s foreign ministry compound along with the Islamic Republic’s defense ministry and other operational outposts central to the regime’s planned retaliatory strikes.

Israel has demonstrated through these operations that it is willing to target the Iranian regime’s centralized ruling architecture, not just its contested nuclear sites.

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Lot of light skinned blue and green eyed blonde persian women !  What's not to like!

If you ever tell my wife I said this, I'll kill you but the most beautiful woman I ever laid eyes on was Persian.
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...but the most beautiful woman I ever laid eyes on was Persian.

That's because they're not Arab but original Caucasian.  Lots of beautiful women in the Caucasus region.
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Israel claims ‘aerial superiority’ over Iran capital

by Tara Suter - 06/16/25 8:50 AM ET


Israel is claiming “aerial superiority” over Iran’s capital of Tehran on the fourth day of fighting, which saw new waves of strikes between the Middle East rivals.

At least five people were killed in Iranian missile attacks Monday in Israel, according to The Associated Press, as Israel declared it controls the skies over Tehran and said its forces face no major threats while flying over the city.

The Israeli military also said its aircraft control an area above western Iran following days of strikes on Iranian air defenses and missile systems.

“Now we can say that we have achieved full air supremacy in the Tehran airspace,” Brig. Gen. Effie Defrin, an Israeli military spokesperson, said.

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That's because they're not Arab but original Caucasian.  Lots of beautiful women in the Caucasus region.

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Yeah, people who do not want to be nuked, and attack the one who has an announced policy of nuking them, goes rogue when they take the guy out. You are firmly in the camp of hating Israel and Jews, it seems: Israel can only attack Iran after Iran nukes them.

Iran has no announced policy of nuking Israel with the weapons it doesn't have.  After this coordinated surprise attack, they do have a strong incentive to seek out nuclear weapons, which is another route to suck us into a regime change war if the country isn't destabilized in the near term. 

Enough with the character assassination.  Israel is manufacturing enough antisemites without imagining them.  Understand that the American support ends with the boomers.  The Israelis are going to have to live with their neighbors.

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Iran has no announced policy of nuking Israel with the weapons it doesn't have.  After this coordinated surprise attack, they do have a strong incentive to seek out nuclear weapons, which is another route to suck us into a regime change war if the country isn't destabilized in the near term. 

What makes you so sure Iran doesn't have one?  Do you have some inside intelligence we're not privy to? 
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'Strategic Decapitation': Israel Expands Operations, Targeting Iranian Political Institutions as Netanyahu Taunts 'Weak' Regime in Tehran

Iran's foreign ministry and defense ministry both took hits on Sunday

Adam Kredo
June 15, 2025


Israel pummeled hundreds of targets across Iran on Sunday, hitting Tehran’s military leadership, government buildings, and weapons depots—significantly intensifying operations meant to cripple the Islamic Republic’s nuclear infrastructure and destroy its hardline regime. President Donald Trump, meanwhile, said "it’s possible" the United States could enter the fray.

Israel bombed multiple Iranian energy sites overnight, settling ablaze fuel depots the regime uses to feed its military and lucrative commercial oil industry. The Israeli Air Force (IAF) hit Iran’s foreign ministry compound along with the Islamic Republic’s defense ministry and other operational outposts central to the regime’s planned retaliatory strikes.

Israel has demonstrated through these operations that it is willing to target the Iranian regime’s centralized ruling architecture, not just its contested nuclear sites.

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President Donald Trump, meanwhile, said "it’s possible" the United States could enter the fray.
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Iran has no announced policy of nuking Israel with the weapons it doesn't have.  After this coordinated surprise attack, they do have a strong incentive to seek out nuclear weapons, which is another route to suck us into a regime change war if the country isn't destabilized in the near term. 

Enough with the character assassination.  Israel is manufacturing enough antisemites without imagining them.  Understand that the American support ends with the boomers.  The Israelis are going to have to live with their neighbors.

I'll take you back a few decades to Ahmadinejad, aka Dinner Jacket, who announced the policy of nuking Israel after they nuke the US FIRST.

All of their neighbors like them now, except the murderous Palestinians who are trained to hate and kill Jews as soon as they leave the cradle.

You of course would just love to wait until the first Iranian nuke hits their announced US targets: NYC and Chicago. Then you'd make more excuses - you and 0bama.
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What makes you so sure Iran doesn't have one?  Do you have some inside intelligence we're not privy to?

None of the intelligence agencies think they do.  Assuming they have assembled one from available fissile material ... unless they are plotting a secret attack (which would mark the end of their civilization) it makes more sense for them announce it and to throw their weight around the middle east.  Israel would be in a total bind.  It would also give them immediate leverage over us.  North Korea isn't getting invaded, Moscow isn't getting invaded, China isn't getting invaded.  Ukraine gave theirs up and got obliterated, Gaddafi also came to regret it. 

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None of the intelligence agencies think they do. 
More inside information - you keep this up and you will be arrested for leaking TS SPA info. Penalty used to be 10 years hard time in Leavenworth and $10K fine, but I'm sure that's increased since my time.
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Iran Cries Uncle: Wants to End Israeli Attacks, Negotiate with Trump

Joel B. Pollak 16 Jun 2025

Iran has sent messages to both Israel and the United States that it wants to end the war and to negotiate with President Donald Trump, and could give up its nuclear enrichment program to save the Iranian regime.

Reports of Iran’s eagerness to end the fight came as Israeli fighters attacked regime institutions in the capital city of Tehran, including the state broadcaster, after achieving total dominance of Iranian airspace.

The Wall Street Journal reported:

    Iran has been urgently signaling that it seeks an end to hostilities and resumption of talks over its nuclear programs, sending messages to Israel and the U.S. via Arab intermediaries, Middle Eastern and European officials said.

    In the midst of a ferocious Israeli air campaign, Tehran has told Arab officials it would be open to returning to the negotiating table as long as the U.S. doesn’t join the attack, the officials said. Iran also passed messages to Israel saying it is in the interest of both sides to keep the violence contained.

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    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the attacks will continue until Iran’s nuclear program and ballistic missiles are destroyed, and he has shown no indication he is ready to stop. He has also said regime change isn’t a goal but could be a result given the Iranian leadership’s weakness.

Israel is unlikely to relent until it has destroyed most or all of Iran’s ballistic missile launchers, which have continued to fire barrages at Israeli civilians, usually at night. It may also continue fighting to destroy as much of Iran’s remaining nuclear facilities as possible.

It is also unclear whether Iran had explictly offered to end nuclear enrichment program, as the U.S. had demanded before the war. The Journal suggested Iran had not conceded that point, but wants the war to end.

President Trump had earlier said that he wants to keep the U.S. out of the war. But the U.S. has also been moving military assets into position to assist Israel.

Speaking next to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney on Monday at the G7 summit in Kananaskis, Alberta, Canada, Trump confirmed that he had received Iran’s messages about wanting to end the war.

“They’d like to talk, but they should have done that before,” Trump said, responding to questions from reporters. “I had 60 days, and they had 60 days, and on the 61st day, I said, ‘We don’t have a deal.’

“They have to make a deal. And it’s painful for both parties. But I’d say Iran is not winning this war. And they should talk, and they should talk immediately, before it’s too late.”

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2025/06/16/iran-cries-uncle-wants-to-end-israeli-attacks-negotiate-with-trump/
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None of the intelligence agencies think they do.  Assuming they have assembled one from available fissile material ... unless they are plotting a secret attack (which would mark the end of their civilization) it makes more sense for them announce it and to throw their weight around the middle east.  Israel would be in a total bind.  It would also give them immediate leverage over us.  North Korea isn't getting invaded, Moscow isn't getting invaded, China isn't getting invaded.  Ukraine gave theirs up and got obliterated, Gaddafi also came to regret it.

All true.  Only Iran is suicidal enough to use one.
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WATCH: Iranian News Studio Hit By Missile During Live Broadcast

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on June 16, 2025

By Mark Steffen

Israeli Air Force strikes in Iran hit the studio of a state-run television station right as broadcasters were covering the expanding military operation in a dramatic scene captured on live TV.

An anchor with the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) in Tehran was discussing the weekend operation by Israel when the background of its studio disintegrated in real time, forcing the female newscaster to flee while screaming “Allahu Akbar,” the traditional Islamic religious declaration.

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All true.  Only Iran is suicidal enough to use one.

I'll point out Obama claimed North Korea was cooperating with his inspections and that they didn't have a nuclear weapon - until they detonated one.

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Iran says one phone call from Trump could 'pave the way for a return to diplomacy'

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi suggested Monday that one phone call from President Donald Trump could “pave the way for a return to diplomacy” in the Middle East.

“If President Trump is genuine about diplomacy and interested in stopping this war, next steps are consequential. Israel must halt its aggression, and absent a total cessation of military aggression against us, our responses will continue,” he wrote in a post on X. “It takes one phone call from Washington to muzzle someone like Netanyahu. That may pave the way for a return to diplomacy.”

“Conversely, getting the U.S. mired in the Mother of Forever Wars will destroy any prospect for a negotiated solution, with dangerous, unpredictable and likely UNFATHOMABLE consequences for regional security and the global economy,” Araghchi also said.

“Let us not forget: Iran did NOT begin this war and has no interest in perpetuating bloodshed. But we will proudly fight to the last drop of blood to protect our land, our people, our dignity and our achievements,” Araghchi added.
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