Americans Will Pay the Price for Reckless Tariffs

[catfish1957]

Ben Shapiro went out and did what everybody should do and that is when Donald Trump says these are the tariffs that countries are charging us, he went out and he investigated it and found it to be mythical.

Now he’s being attacked for doing what naturally anybody should do when it comes to the government stats and claims

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s getting threats from that segment

Over react much?  I complimented Shaprio, and think he is one of the best young conservative minds in this country right now.  But is he 100.00% correct?  Nope.

[catfish1957]

You think we haven't done currency manipulation since the Nixon shock?

Big difference in short term spot uses and perpetual practice.  I think you are sharp enough to understand that.

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/MMinevich/status/1908437496083399000

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

Have watched the bandwagon thread closely and frankly awed at your knowledge and perception on the topic of tariffs, etc..  It is certainly your 'Wheelhouse'.

Thanks...  that's quite a compliment coming from you.  Here is another one I posted yesterday, that the naysayers won't respond to.....
What was cited by one Briefer was RWR's comments around free trade.  Which might have been proper and timely at that time in an era of equitable trading.   The problem is, that the world of trade in 1982, looks nothing like today.

Here is the quote:

"This philosophy also consisted of a commitment to sound money as exemplified by the gold standard, low levels of taxation and regulation, balanced budgets, and a commitment to property rights and economic liberty. These principles along with the protective tariff defined the political economy of the Republican Party. The doctrine of protectionism was not just putting “America first,” but also protecting the entire economy and labor by preserving manufacturing and solid wages for workers"


Was that a Donald Trump quote?  It sure sounds like one.   Nope....  it was made by the greatest American president in history around fiscal matters in 1925.....   Calvin Coolidge   Silent Cal, actually at one point had our government operating at a surplus. So do I support tariffs as a perpetual means of sovereign fiscal policy?  Of course not.  But some level of equity and fairness needs to be invoked into the process, or our demise will be accelerated.

https://coolidgefoundation.org/blog/grand-old-protectionists-calvin-coolidge-and-the-full-dinner-pail/

[LMAO]

Over react much?  I complimented Shaprio, and think he is one of the best young conservative minds in this country right now.  But is he 100.00% correct?  Nope.

Actually, I’m quite enjoying this. It’s further evidence to me of how tribal politics have become.

It’s another issue of where,  if this was Joe Biden, you and others here would not be defending him. You wouldn’t come up with twisted formulas to explain where Joe Biden is actually right.

What do you think the reaction on this site, for example, would be if Joe Biden, while the market is crashing  and people are watching their 401(k)s decline, was selling gold citizenship cards and then took off golfing?

[Hoodat]

Actually, I’m quite enjoying this. It’s further evidence to me of how tribal politics have become.

It’s another issue of where,  if this was Joe Biden, you and others here would not be defending him. You wouldn’t come up with twisted formulas to explain where Joe Biden is actually right.

B-I-N-G-O !!!

Which is why I keep asking the question, "What is it you people want to achieve?".  And the great mystery question, "What is it that Trump is trying to achieve?"  Because if you can't answer either of those questions, then you fall into the tribal politics category above.

[catfish1957]

B-I-N-G-O !!!

Which is why I keep asking the question, "What is it you people want to achieve?".  And the great mystery question, "What is it that Trump is trying to achieve?"  Because if you can't answer either of those questions, then you fall into the tribal politics category above.

I answered.  What is your counter?

[Hoodat]

I haven't followed the intricacies of these tariffs, mainly because I have adopted a wait-and-see approach.  I learned through the last Trump term that he loves stirring the pot but is quick to check while keeping his hand hidden.  But there have been a few actions that I trouble me.  Correct me on this if I got this wrong, but was some tariff rate formula implemented that punishes other countries for running trade surpluses with the US?  If this is the case, then that policy will not work.

[Hoodat]

I answered.  What is your counter?

Sorry, I missed it.  Can you tell me where I can find it?  I had originally posted the question here, but there was no response from you on that thread.

I really am interested in hearing what matters to other people.

[LMAO]

I actually like and respect catfish and I think he’s a smart guy. I’ll take my jabs  at him and he’ll take his jabs at me and at the end of the day we’ll find more common ground than opposition.

But there’s been a lot of of defending Donald Trump over things that no democrat would ever be defended over

What would the reaction be amongst Trump supporters if after Biden  passed the  inflation reduction act, we found out he warned companies about raising prices as a result


They’ve been all over the map on these. We’re being by the blonde young PS that there wouldn’t be any pain

https://www.yahoo.com/news/leavitt-trump-tariffs-won-t-231202743.html


But now we’re told we have to suffer

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/us/politics/trump-tariffs-us-economy-prices.html


Then there is the claim that this is actually a tax cut for the American people which nobody is buying

This is looking very similar to the ObamaCare or the so called summer of recovery arguments in 2009 that got so bad that Democrats wouldn’t even show up to town halls and some  were even suggesting postponing the 2010 elections.

I was banging my head on the walls at that time with liberals who told me I was wrong, and all of this will just be wonderful and cited examples of how businesses were hiring because of the recovery act pass by Obama and how Americans will save money on their health insurance while still being able to keep it

None turned out to be true.

So now he’s claiming the weak  will fail over these tariffs. Which tells me that he’s sensing this isn’t going as planned so he’s setting up small businesses to take the blame

[Cyber Liberty]

Actually, I’m quite enjoying this. It’s further evidence to me of how tribal politics have become.

It’s another issue of where,  if this was Joe Biden, you and others here would not be defending him. You wouldn’t come up with twisted formulas to explain where Joe Biden is actually right.

What do you think the reaction on this site, for example, would be if Joe Biden, while the market is crashing  and people are watching their 401(k)s decline, was selling gold citizenship cards and then took off golfing?

You have said multiple times on this thread it has been "debunked," but I must have missed the link you posted to back that up.

[LMAO]

You have said multiple times on this thread it has been "debunked," but I must have missed the link you posted to back that up.

I apologize.  You’re right

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/us/politics/trump-tariffs-us-economy-prices.html

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-trumps-false-claims-about-tariffs/a-72137021

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-reciprocal-tariffs-calculations/



Those  are a few, and there are a lot more.

[Cyber Liberty]

I apologize.  You’re right

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/us/politics/trump-tariffs-us-economy-prices.html

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-trumps-false-claims-about-tariffs/a-72137021

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-reciprocal-tariffs-calculations/



Those  are a few, and there are a lot more.

Thanks!  I do have to scoff at the NYT one a bit...

[catfish1957]

Actually, I’m quite enjoying this. It’s further evidence to me of how tribal politics have become.

It’s another issue of where,  if this was Joe Biden, you and others here would not be defending him. You wouldn’t come up with twisted formulas to explain where Joe Biden is actually right.

What do you think the reaction on this site, for example, would be if Joe Biden, while the market is crashing  and people are watching their 401(k)s decline, was selling gold citizenship cards and then took off golfing?

You steered your silly naysayer car into the ditch by invoking Pedo Joe.   I wouldn't trust him with a lemonaide stand.

Try for a better analogy than that.

[LMAO]

You steered your silly naysayer car into the ditch by invoking Pedo Joe.   I wouldn't trust him with a lemonaide stand.

Try for a better analogy than that.

It doesn’t have to be Biden. It could be any democrat.

Let’s go the 2024 campaign. When Harris  threatened to go after businesses and renters who raise prices under the guise of  “price gouging” there was page after page here of people pointing out the folly  of that idea and they were right. Some even called her a communist.

That’s called price controls and we know the history and results of price controls


Yet there is a thread on Trump warning car manufacturers against raising prices due to his tariffs, and it barely got two pages. In fact, if I recall, there was one or two that actually supported it.

Which to me doesn’t make sense. We’re told that tariffs won’t raise prices, but yet the president had to warn an industry not to raise prices as a result of tariffs?



To me, it’s in your face hypocrisy. A bad idea is a bad idea, regardless of what party it comes from.

[catfish1957]

It doesn’t have to be Biden. It could be any democrat.

Let’s go the 2024 campaign. When Harris  threatened to go after businesses and renters who raise prices under the guise of  “price gouging” there was page after page here of people pointing out the folly  of that idea and they were right. Some even called her a communist.

That’s called price controls and we know the history and results of price controls


Yet there is a thread on Trump warning car manufacturers against raising prices due to his tariffs, and it barely got two pages. In fact, if I recall, there was one or two that actually supported it.

Which to me doesn’t make sense. We’re told that tariffs won’t raise prices, but yet the president had to warn an industry not to raise prices as a result of tariffs?



To me, it’s in your face hypocrisy. A bad idea is a bad idea, regardless of what party it comes from.

You are equating raising tariffs, which still happen to be still lower or at  the corresponding member nation level.   To price gouging?

Do you understand what you just said? 

No one said tariffs wouldn't result in higher prices, at least short term.  But, when member nations negotiate, this will level off.  Or in even more concrete terms and more important, some short term pain, might be worth the long term, when it comes to preserving our national wealth base for our descendant.    I'll make those sacrifices....  will you?

[Timber Rattler]

Trump Assures Pain From Tariffs Should Settle Down By His Third Term

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-assures-pain-from-tariffs-should-settle-down-by-his-third-term

WASHINGTON, D.C. — With the nation anxious about the ramifications of widespread tariffs, President Trump assured Americans that everything would be settled down by the time his third term started.

Though admitting that tariffs may cause temporary market chaos and inflation, Trump remained confident that the short-term pain would lead to an economic boom in his next term.

"By the time I'm sworn in on January 20, 2029, all these worries will be in the past," said Trump. "It will be the new golden age of America. People will ask if you remember the market crashing in 2025, and you'll say no, because you'll be too busy counting all your money. We're going to be so rich, and so much stronger when I start my third term, it's going to all be worth it, believe me."

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[roamer_1]

Sorry, it’s been debunked. Whether you choose to accept it or not as your business.

Whether it's true or not is immaterial.
It doesn't matter.
It's the wrong focus.

The knee-jerk thing it presents is that it's not fair.
And it's not fair. It never will be fair.
Your Mammas should have showed you that a long time ago.

The way you bring business back is not by making it harder.
You make it BETTER here for business. You take the weight OFF. you make it conducive toward profit. You give them cheap labor and easy access to raw materials.

That is what will bring em back.
That is not what you're doing.
Because your big government is in your own way.

[LMAO]

You are equating raising tariffs, which still happen to be still lower or at  the corresponding member nation level.   To price gouging?

Do you understand what you just said? 

No one said tariffs wouldn't result in higher prices, at least short term.  But, when member nations negotiate, this will level off.  Or in even more concrete terms and more important, some short term pain, might be worth the long term, when it comes to preserving our national wealth base for our descendant.    I'll make those sacrifices....  will you?

Do you realize that every response you make to my point proves my point even further

[bigheadfred]

Whether it's true or not is immaterial.
It doesn't matter.
It's the wrong focus.

The knee-jerk thing it presents is that it's not fair.
And it's not fair. It never will be fair.
Your Mammas should have showed you that a long time ago.

The way you bring business back is not by making it harder.
You make it BETTER here for business. You take the weight OFF. you make it conducive toward profit. You give them cheap labor and easy access to raw materials.

That is what will bring em back.
That is not what you're doing.
Because your big government is in your own way.

Lots of moving parts out there. Makes it hard to see the big picture.

https://www.federalregister.gov/executive-order/14192

[Hoodat]

Do you realize that every response you make to my point proves my point even further

Never thought I would see people championing higher taxes on this forum, @LMAO .

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Never thought I would see people championing higher taxes on this forum, @LMAO .

Ever hear of a mole?

[roamer_1]

Lots of moving parts out there. Makes it hard to see the big picture.

That's why we lean so hard on principle.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Exclusive — Sen. David McCormick: Tariffs ‘Just One Chapter of the Book of the Trump Economic Agenda’
Breitbart,  Apr 5, 2025

Tariffs are just “one chapter of the book of the Trump economic agenda,” Sen. David McCormick (R-PA) said during an appearance on Breitbart News Saturday, discussing tariffs and the latest jobs numbers.

The latest jobs numbers, he began, are a “reflection of a number of companies already starting to invest in jobs in the United States,” or “an early response to the Trump economic agenda.”

"And listen, you know, the last month has been tariffs, tariffs, tariffs… And I will talk about that in a minute. But the tariffs are just one chapter of the book of the Trump economic agenda, and there’s some uncertainty around them, but there’s so much certainty around a number of other things,” he explained.

"There’s certainly around huge deregulation that is well underway, around energy dominance, which is going to lower energy prices and make it very attractive for companies to do business in the United States. There’s the extension, and I think the permanence of the 2017 tax cuts, which I do believe will happen. There’s trillions of dollars of foreign direct investment that’s already being committed since President Trump came into office,” he said, describing those things as all “good stuff that’s going to help the American people create jobs.”

As for the tariffs, he said, those are designed to solve a “particular problem, and it’s a big problem, which is the global trading system has not been fair to the United States, and it’s been increasingly unfair.”

“So, you know, to help the world come back from World War II, we gave very favorable terms to the world, and those terms have largely stuck. It hasn’t gotten better. China and many other companies’ countries have taken advantage,” he said, explaining that the tariffs are designed to bring “fairness” back for the American worker.


More w/audio: https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2025/04/05/exclusive-sen-david-mccormick-tariffs-just-one-chapter-of-the-book-of-the-trump-economic-agenda/

[Bigun]