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Americans Will Pay the Price for Reckless Tariffs
« on: April 04, 2025, 08:54:18 am »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/04/americans-will-pay-the-price-for-reckless-tariffs/

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Believing that a country is in bad shape if it imports more goods than it exports — i.e., if it has a trade deficit — is, in most cases, a harmless error in reasoning. It’s the sort of thing that seems to make sense at first glance, but any halfway decent economics professor can train it out of students in one or two lectures.

That error in reasoning becomes harmful when the person who believes it is the president of the United States, and he is willing to claim emergency powers to act on it unilaterally. That’s what Donald Trump has done with his executive order to raise tariffs on virtually every country on earth.

As a share of the economy, the executive order is likely the largest peacetime tax increase in U.S. history. In nominal terms, it’s the largest tax increase, period. And it comes without any input from Congress. In fact, it effectively overturns USMCA, CAFTA-DR, and the twelve bilateral free trade agreements that Congress has approved. On Tuesday morning, the Dow Jones Industrial Average opened down over 1,100 points, or about 2.6 percent, in reaction to the news, while the tech-heavy Nasdaq collapsed around 800 points, or 4.6 percent.

Trump claims extraordinary powers to impose these tariffs on the basis that the trade deficit is a national emergency. He claims to be helping U.S. manufacturing firms, but groups such as the National Association of Manufacturers oppose the tariffs, probably because about half of U.S. imports are inputs for domestic production.

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The last thing that worked to substantially reduce the U.S. trade deficit was the Great Recession, because a bunch of people lost their jobs and couldn’t afford to buy as much stuff as normal. You probably remember that as a bad time, but if trade deficits are truly national-emergency-level terrible, then the 2009 reduction in the trade deficit should have been great news.

Trump likes to frame his trade policy as “commonsense.” To treat allies worse than enemies and raise taxes on consumers and businesses at a time when the cost of living is a major concern is anything but commonsense. Trump’s mistaken beliefs about trade have been a constant since the 1980s, but now they have been combined with an enormous grant of power, and Americans will pay the price.

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2025, 09:06:22 am »
The NR used to be a decent source of conservative punditry.

Now it mostly trumpets the NWO Bushy/Cheney remnant POV.   Again, just  like the MSM, no where in that article does the NR mention or highlight that every one of those tariffs is at or below what the corresponding nation charges us.  If the NR wants to be that morally corrupt, let them join the ash heaps of CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2025, 09:18:05 am »
We've already paid a steep price for other nation's tariffs on us.
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Re: Americans Will Pay the Price for Reckless Tariffs
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2025, 05:58:58 pm »
Catfish reminds us with:
"Now it mostly trumpets the NWO Bushy/Cheney remnant POV.   Again, just  like the MSM, no where in that article does the NR mention or highlight that every one of those tariffs is at or below what the corresponding nation charges us..."

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2025, 06:38:51 am »
Catfish reminds us with:
"Now it mostly trumpets the NWO Bushy/Cheney remnant POV.   Again, just  like the MSM, no where in that article does the NR mention or highlight that every one of those tariffs is at or below what the corresponding nation charges us..."

Once again, for your perusal:
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This list is long been debunked. And not just by “NWO Globalists” but even by people like Ben Shapiro

This is a reflection of a bigger problem in today’s society. People will post things that are provably false and misleading without checking its veracity but it spreads quickly and becomes the “truth”

Goebbels would’ve loved to have the internet in his time

https://www.tiktok.com/@mostviralclipzz/video/7489317162113518894



The very same people who claimed to be skeptical of any stats coming from government just a few short years ago are suddenly embracing every claim made by Donald Trump as gospel. Good for Mr. Shapiro for exercising a bit of a skepticism of government claims, even if it comes from his own team.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2025, 07:16:26 am »
Goebbels would’ve loved to have the internet in his time

As his devoted student, you would know ....

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2025, 09:29:47 am »
We've already paid a steep price for other nation's tariffs on us.
Amen.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2025, 09:36:38 am »

This list is long been debunked. And not just by “NWO Globalists” but even by people like Ben Shapiro




Drama queen.  It has been well noted that the accuracy of this chart contained some extrapolations, because preparing a finite to the dollar lisiting per every and all 100 countires in a  detailed chart would be an exercise that would take a year.  I think, well hope you understand the seriousness of adjusting trade parameters.

But your wholehearted endorsement of us getting screwed in international trade partners has been duly noted.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2025, 09:53:20 am »
Amen.

In business and industry in project management, the 90% rule is applied to cost and budget expense and capital projects.  Reason being, if you get pencil d--k's and Controller and Accounting bureaucrats putting the pencil to it down to the penny......   Ypu'd never start or complete a project.

And Ben Shapiro?  I thought he was smarter than that.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2025, 10:17:42 am »
Drama queen.  It has been well noted that the accuracy of this chart contained some extrapolations, because preparing a finite to the dollar lisiting per every and all 100 countires in a  detailed chart would be an exercise that would take a year.  I think, well hope you understand the seriousness of adjusting trade parameters.

But your wholehearted endorsement of us getting screwed in international trade partners has been duly noted.

Sorry, it’s been debunked. Whether you choose to accept it or not as your business.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2025, 10:32:01 am »
Sorry, it’s been debunked. Whether you choose to accept it or not as your business.

LMAO @LMAO

If you are that naive to expect the chart to be correct to the penny....    then it is debunked.  But so then is every OMB projection, and congressional budgetary number.    I hope you are more understanding of finance than that.

You choose not to understand concepts of time constraints, extrapolation, negotiation, and approximation.  Well that's your business too.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2025, 10:36:09 am »
Sorry, it’s been debunked. Whether you choose to accept it or not as your business.

Debunked by who? The same people who tell us that our children need 200+ inoculations before they turn two?
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LMAO @LMAO

If you are that naive to expect the chart to be correct to the penny....    then it is debunked.  But so then is every OMB projection, and congressional budgetary number.    I hope you are more understanding of finance than that.

You choose not to understand concepts of time constraints, extrapolation, negotiation, and approximation.  Well that's your business too.


Third time, that chart has been debunked. Just like Donald Trump’s Canadian tariffs and dairy product claim.


Not everything that goes against your narrative is the result of “New World order globalists to git you”

Donald Trump put out that chart and said this was the tariffs other countries were charging us. You’re trying to come up with a twisted formula in order to make his lies  more truthful to you and palatable


It’s become an eye-opening experience to watch the same people who questioned everything that normally comes out of government are now fully embracing everything Donald Trump is claiming without question

Political tribalism or cultish devotion? Could be both.
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2025, 10:45:00 am »
Debunked by who? The same people who tell us that our children need 200+ inoculations before they turn two?

Funny, he cites only one valid conservative, and thinks it is debunked. And Shapiro?  As strong he is, is often a guy who can't see the forest from the trees, and gets bogged down in minutia.  He's the kind of guy who will argue that you didn't pay $100 because it was $99.97.

I gave him ample reason to understand the chart, but some are hopeless I guess.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2025, 10:49:45 am »

Third time, that chart has been debunked. Just like Donald Trump’s Canadian tariffs and dairy product claim.


Not everything that goes against your narrative is the result of “New World order globalists to git you”

Donald Trump put out that chart and said this was the tariffs other countries were charging us. You’re trying to come up with a twisted formula in order to make his lies  more truthful to you and palatable


It’s become an eye-opening experience to watch the same people who questioned everything that normally comes out of government are now fully embracing everything Donald Trump is claiming without question

Political tribalism or cultish devotion? Could be both.


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OMG....you are calling me MAGA?   I pinged a couple of regulars, maybe they'll give me street cred now.   :silly:

I give up, the fact, you can't understand approximation, and extrapolation?  I think we just part company, because you just don't get it or understand it.  I pride myself on being versed on economic matters, and have done well in that area.   But WTF do I know huh? 
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2025, 10:52:33 am »
Funny, he cites only one valid conservative, and thinks it is debunked. And Shapiro?  As strong he is, is often a guy who can't see the forest from the trees, and gets bogged down in minutia.  He's the kind of guy who will argue that you didn't pay $100 because it was $99.97.

I gave him ample reason to understand the chart, but some are hopeless I guess.

He's only 58, lives in Wisconsin, and likely just voted to put a Commie on the Supreme court there.  22222frying pan
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2025, 10:55:12 am »
The NR used to be a decent source of conservative punditry.

Now it mostly trumpets the NWO Bushy/Cheney remnant POV.   Again, just  like the MSM, no where in that article does the NR mention or highlight that every one of those tariffs is at or below what the corresponding nation charges us.  If the NR wants to be that morally corrupt, let them join the ash heaps of CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc.

Trump's chart wasn't exactly on the level with us either though was it? They used some sort of formula that included currency manipulation and also just import/export deficits as proof of a tariff... he also used VAT which is basically like a sales tax.

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He's only 58, lives in Wisconsin, and likely just voted to put a Commie on the Supreme court there.  22222frying pan

Nope

But the MAGA  movement did help put that woman on the Supreme Court. Ten counties that went for Donald Trump voted for a far left progressive like Susan Crawford.

And when Congress shifts next year or worse, we end up with a very far left progressive as president in 2028, I’m  holding MAGA accountable
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2025, 10:56:34 am »
He's only 58, lives in Wisconsin, and likely just voted to put a Commie on the Supreme court there.  22222frying pan

That is bleep libelous, slanderous shit. Total trash post. I want to nuke it.

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2025, 10:56:42 am »
Trump's chart wasn't exactly on the level with us either though was it? They used some sort of formula that included currency manipulation and also just import/export deficits as proof of a tariff... he also used VAT which is basically like a sales tax.


And Donald Trump went out there and told people these were the tariffs that countries were charging us, including islands  that are uninhabited


Yet, despite how much his supporters want to use twisted formulas to bail him out, that’s not selling
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OMG....you are calling me MAGA?   I pinged a couple of regulars, maybe they'll give me street cred now.   :silly:

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2025, 10:59:58 am »
In business and industry in project management, the 90% rule is applied to cost and budget expense and capital projects.  Reason being, if you get pencil d--k's and Controller and Accounting bureaucrats putting the pencil to it down to the penny......   Ypu'd never start or complete a project.

And Ben Shapiro?  I thought he was smarter than that.
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2025, 11:02:48 am »
Ben Shapiro went out and did what everybody should do and that is when Donald Trump says these are the tariffs that countries are charging us, he went out and he investigated it and found it to be mythical.

Now he’s being attacked for doing what naturally anybody should do when it comes to the government stats and claims

Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s getting threats from that segment
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2025, 11:03:47 am »
Trump's chart wasn't exactly on the level with us either though was it? They used some sort of formula that included currency manipulation and also just import/export deficits as proof of a tariff... he also used VAT which is basically like a sales tax.

Hate sounding like a broken record, but you do realize that if a comprehensive chart was made country by country and product by product, would have taken at least a year.  We need to grant Trump some latitude for extrapolation, and use of the 90% rule.  And currency manipulation?  That sleazy tactic is real,  has been perfected by the Chicoms, and does need to be included on a formulaic basis. 

And most important of all......   This was an opening salvo.  This was the high price point in negotiations .  You ask for the moon, and then work down from there. 
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2025, 11:06:25 am »
Hate sounding like a broken record, but you do realize that if a comprehensive chart was made country by country and product by product, would have taken at least a year.  We need to grant Trump some latitude for extrapolation, and use of the 90% rule.  And currency manipulation?  That sleazy tactic is real,  has been perfected by the Chicoms, and does need to be included on a formulaic basis. 

And most important of all......   This was an opening salvo.  This was the high price point in negotiations .  You ask for the moon, and then work down from there.

You think we haven't done currency manipulation since the Nixon shock?