'Get on the bandwagon': Trump slams 'unbelievably disloyal' GOP senators in overnight rant

[Free Vulcan]

That's the graphic that sort of changed my opinion on these. My guess is that'll happen with normies too.

We're all on board this roller coaster now, no getting off lol.

Yep, because the reality is that reciprocity is the only way to level the playing field. They don't want that because they aren't efficient economies that can truly compete 1-on-1 and will do anything to keep from having to no matter what we do.

If we don't fix the imbalance, high paying manufacturing jobs will continue to bleed away till isn't nothing but McJobs, agricultural and welfare. Incomes will continue to decline and people won't even be able to buy the low end China crap made by slave labor.

[bilo]

Your question proves, yet again, you have zero idea who Trump is.  If Paul is a no-show at Mar-a-Lago, it will be the Senator's unlikely tantrum.  Trump would always welcome him to the Southern White House.

A classic Trump moment, recalled by both Trump and RFK Jr, is about the time Bobby's wife couldn't find available flights to get them to Palm Beach.  She called Trump and asked if they could use his plane.  When she told Bobby what she'd done, he was incredulous, asking her:  how could you do that, I'm suing him??  She replied:  when I mentioned your suit, he said he is well aware of it and laughed.

I guess its fair to say that Pres. Trump doesn't get fairly treated by most media!

How any Pubs could be opposed to the tariffs doesn't make sense. The USA was the only nation unscathed after WWII. We helped Europe and Asia rebuild and allowed very favorable trade practices to develop in order to help these countries and to keep the USSR as isolated as possible. We insured shipping lanes would be safe and even setup the United Nations to help resolve conflicts. The USSR is gone and our former allies have rebuilt. There is no need for our middle class to be decimated by manufacturing that has moved to cheaper markets.

Pres. Trump is right about the tariffs and trade. It may take years to get our manufacturing up to speed, but if it means young people will then have the opportunity to build a better future for themselves it is well worth it.

[DCPatriot]

I guess its fair to say that Pres. Trump doesn't get fairly treated by most media!

Chris Plante pointed out this morning that there were TWO televisions on next to each other in the station's large reception room.

CNN's screen had President Trump as "Tiger" orange, while the FOXNEWS screen showed him with normal flesh tones.

[LMAO]

President Donald Trump’s strategy to use import tariffs to protect and boost U.S. manufacturers backfired and led to job losses and higher prices, according to a Federal Reserve study released this week.

“We find that the 2018 tariffs are associated with relative reductions in manufacturing employment and relative increases in producer prices,” concluded Fed economists Aaron Flaaen and Justin Pierce, in an academic paper.

While the tariffs did reduce competition for some industries in the domestic U.S. market, this was more than offset by the effects of rising input costs and retaliatory tariffs, the study found.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-study-finds-trump-tariffs-backfired-2019-12-27



The “American people need to suffer now for a better future for our children” is the same argument greenies make for shutting down our energy sector



But, MAGA will have an opportunity to make that argument in next years midterms to the voters should this continue


But I have noticed something about this argument, both pro and con. Those who support Donald Trump‘s actions are going by what they hope happens in the future. Those of us who oppose it are going by what has happened in the past with these policies. Conservatives are supposed to judge policy by the results, not its intentions

[roamer_1]

But I have noticed something about this argument, both pro and con. Those who support Donald Trump‘s actions are going by what they hope happens in the future. Those of us who oppose it are going by what has happened in the past with these policies. Conservatives are supposed to judge policy by the results, not its intentions

Huzzah! Conservatism is the study of what works... And has worked throughout history, with a focus on liberty.

[bilo]

Chris Plante pointed out this morning that there were TWO televisions on next to each other in the station's large reception room.

CNN's screen had President Trump as "Tiger" orange, while the FOXNEWS screen showed him with normal flesh tones.

It gets tiring.

There are times where I may not agree with his style, but that's just it it's only style. Pres. Trump's policies are terrific. Ending the post WWII globalism is the best thing we've done since winning the cold war.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Conservatism is the study of what works...

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Chris Plante pointed out this morning that there were TWO televisions on next to each other in the station's large reception room.

CNN's screen had President Trump as "Tiger" orange, while the FOXNEWS screen showed him with normal flesh tones.

Video here @DCPatriot

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1907782186612257259

[Right_in_Virginia]

Thanks for the chart @catfish1957  I pulled it from the X post, just in case folks missed it. The 1st column is the tariffs charged to the US, including currency manipulation and trade barriers.   The second column (gold) is the US discounted reciprocal tariff.

Vietnam's tariffs on us: 90%  ⬆️

Vietnam's reaction to ours:  ⬇️

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1907896609972637869

[kevindavis007]

Vietnam's tariffs on us: 90%  ⬆️

Vietnam's reaction to ours:  ⬇️

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1907896609972637869

So?

[Right_in_Virginia]

"A 1996 video resurfaces of Nancy Pelosi discussing tariffs and the trade deficit with China."

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1907875133638705646

[Right_in_Virginia]

What will work is fixing the anti-business environment here at home so those companies bring their manufacturing back of their own accord.

The full plan includes tariffs, tax cuts, new trade deals and regulation reforms.

You won't force them back in four short years.

They'll run back in less.

[roamer_1]

The full plan includes tariffs, tax cuts, new trade deals and regulation reforms.

They'll run back in less.

Not if they just have to run offshore again in 4 years they won't.

[Right_in_Virginia]

1987:  "I was tired, and I think a lot of people are tired of watching other countries ripping off the United States... they laugh at us. Behind our backs, they laugh at us because of our own stupidity."

https://twitter.com/RapidResponse47/status/1907888271612588204

[Lando Lincoln]

"A 1996 video resurfaces of Nancy Pelosi discussing tariffs and the trade deficit with China."

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1907875133638705646

Wow!  Keeper.

[Bigun]

Happily: Cart before the horse. And with no alternative, as I said upthread.

What will work is fixing the anti-business environment here at home so those companies bring their manufacturing back of their own accord.

You won't force them back in four short years. It has to be a plan enforceable for decades.
That will never happen this way.

  

Pass HR25 into law and it's done!

(I'm not opposed to the current Trump approach as long as it gets us to the above mentioned permanent solution.)

[Bigun]

Guess how the MSM is playing this on the five o'clock news today. (They are SO predictable.)

[roamer_1]

 

Pass HR25 into law and it's done!

(I'm not opposed to the current Trump approach as long as it gets us to the above mentioned permanent solution.)

I wouldn't hold your breath wrt Flat tax.

Otherwise I am opposed. Different story with Harley for instance... The tariff targeted Jap bikes to protect Harley's market. You could avoid the tax entirely by buying American made, not even just harley.

This is not that. You WILL be affected. This will touch you, no matter what. It is basically a tax by another name, and you will be paying it, if you buy any hard goods.

Different story if there is an alternative - There is not.

And just as I am trying to fire my computer biz up again. Sheesh!

[Bigun]

I wouldn't hold your breath wrt Flat tax.

Otherwise I am opposed. Different story with Harley for instance... The tariff targeted Jap bikes to protect Harley's market. You could avoid the tax entirely by buying American made, not even just harley.

This is not that. You WILL be affected. This will touch you, no matter what. It is basically a tax by another name, and you will be paying it, if you buy any hard goods.

Different story if there is an alternative - There is not.

And just as I am trying to fire my computer biz up again. Sheesh!

If you think HR25 would mean a flat rate INCOME tax you are completely off base! 

http://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZEvUlW9dCy0

[roamer_1]

If you think HR25 would mean a flat rate INCOME tax you are completely off base! 

http://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZEvUlW9dCy0

No, I get it.... It's the latest rendition of Duncan Hunter's Fair Tax. I have always been a proponent thereof. It has just become a perennial offering that never makes it to the floor - Not to mention the Senate. So I won't get excited anymore until there's enough Republicans willing to actually pass the dang thing.

[Bigun]

No, I get it.... It's the latest rendition of Duncan Hunter's Fair Tax. I have always been a proponent thereof. It has just become a perennial offering that never makes it to the floor - Not to mention the Senate. So I won't get excited anymore until there's enough Republicans willing to actually pass the dang thing.

It would take away the politician's power to manipulate (read social engineer) via the tax code. Hence the difficulty.

[roamer_1]

It would take away the politician's power to manipulate (read social engineer) via the tax code. Hence the difficulty.

That's right, but it's been offered up by Conservatives since Duncan Hunter Sr. was a pup, without being passed. So like I said, don't hold your breath. 

[Bigun]

That's right, but it's been offered up by Conservatives since Duncan Hunter Sr. was a pup, without being passed. So like I said, don't hold your breath. 

It started with my former congressman Bill Archer in the mid 1970s and I've been onboard ever since.

[Hoodat]

The art of the deal

The one thing that Trump excels at is to greatly expand the discussion.  We are witnessing many different factions now chiming in with different view points from different perspectives, all because of Trump running his mouth about tariffs.

Here are some of those factions:

• The tariff originalists - these are the people who believe that our government should exclusively be funded by tariffs and that the federal income tax should be repealed.
  
  
• Free trade consumers - these are the people who believe that there should be no taxes imposed on American consumers.  This group also has no problem with other nations subsidizing exports since it works out for the consumer's benefit.
  
  
• Fair traders - this group believes in a level playing field where everyone plays by the same set of rules.
  
  
• Trade deficit hawks -  this group believes that the trade deficit is a threat and that we should discourage imports while using our economic and political might to maximize exports.
  
  
• Strategic manufacturing security proponents - this group believes that maintaining manufacturing industries in the US supersedes any ideals on trade.  They will impose tariffs and import limits in order to protect US manufacturers in strategic industries (e.g. steel, shipbuilding, agriculture, etc).

And finally, there are the political hacks.  Their support of tariffs rests solely on which politicians are supporting them.  They are opportunists who may jump from group to group in order to be on the right side.

So ask yourselves which is(are) your group(s)?  Where do your own internal beliefs and philosophies place you?  Once you've done that, then ask yourself which of these angles is Trump really backing?  What is his real goal here.  Is he really a fair trader?  Is eliminating the trade deficit his real goal?  Or is he just using all of this to ensure that the US maintains a manufacturing base in crucial industries?

[Bigun]

The art of the deal

The one thing that Trump excels at is to greatly expand the discussion.  We are witnessing many different factions now chiming in with different view points from different perspectives, all because of Trump running his mouth about tariffs.

Here are some of those factions:

• The tariff originalists - these are the people who believe that our government should exclusively be funded by tariffs and that the federal income tax should be repealed.
  
  
• Free trade consumers - these are the people who believe that there should be no taxes imposed on American consumers.  This group also has no problem with other nations subsidizing exports since it works out for the consumer's benefit.
  
  
• Fair traders - this group believes in a level playing field where everyone plays by the same set of rules.
  
  
• Trade deficit hawks -  this group believes that the trade deficit is a threat and that we should discourage imports while using our economic and political might to maximize exports.
  
  
• Strategic manufacturing security proponents - this group believes that maintaining manufacturing industries in the US supersedes any ideals on trade.  They will impose tariffs and import limits in order to protect US manufacturers in strategic industries (e.g. steel, shipbuilding, agriculture, etc).

And finally, there are the political hacks.  Their support of tariffs rests solely on which politicians are supporting them.  They are opportunists who may jump from group to group in order to be on the right side.

So ask yourselves which is(are) your group(s)?  Where do your own internal beliefs and philosophies place you?  Once you've done that, then ask yourself which of these angles is Trump really backing?  What is his real goal here.  Is he really a fair trader?  Is eliminating the trade deficit his real goal?  Or is he just using all of this to ensure that the US maintains a manufacturing base in crucial industries?

Unfortunately, no one here wants to discuss anything seriously.