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President Donald Trump raged overnight against Republican senators he deems insufficiently loyal to him and his agenda.

The president singled out four GOP senators, including both from Kentucky, for considering a resolution that would end the national emergency he has used to impose a 25-percent tariff on Canadian imports, which will come to a vote Tuesday, which Trump has dubbed "Liberation Day" to mark the start of those punishing duties.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114266599439835683

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So I guess there's no more future golf outtings for Rand Paul at Mar-a-Lago?
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I think this ring kissing schtick has gotten past old.  I agree with a lot of his agenda, but
I know I'm not going to be a mindless lemming, following his lead at whim.  We need some dissent to keep us honest, and Paul's crusade against Faucxcii alone deserves my respect
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I think this ring kissing schtick has gotten past old.  I agree with a lot of his agenda, but
I know I'm not going to be a mindless lemming, following his lead at whim.  We need some dissent to keep us honest, and Paul's crusade against Faucxcii alone deserves my respect

You're coming back around...  :laugh:

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I think this ring kissing schtick has gotten past old.  I agree with a lot of his agenda, but ...

Are you sure the "ring kissing schtick" is accurately applied here @catfish1957 ?

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Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and Rand Paul, also of Kentucky, will hopefully get on the Republican bandwagon, for a change, and fight the Democrats wild and flagrant push to not penalize Canada for the sale, into our Country, of large amounts of Fentanyl, by Tariffing the value of this horrible and deadly drug in order to make it more costly to distribute and buy.

They are playing with the lives of the American people, and right into the hands of the Radical Left Democrats and Drug Cartels. The Senate Bill is just a ploy of the Dems to show and expose the weakness of certain Republicans, namely these four, in that it is not going anywhere because the House will never approve it and I, as your President, will never sign it.

Why are they allowing Fentanyl to pour into our Country unchecked, and without penalty. What is wrong with them, other than suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, commonly known as TDS? Who can want this to happen to our beautiful families, and why?

To the people of the Great States of Kentucky, Alaska, and Maine, please contact these Senators and get them to FINALLY adhere to Republican Values and Ideals. They have been extremely difficult to deal with and,  unbelievably disloyal to hardworking Majority Leader John Thune, and the Republican Party itself. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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WAKE UP CALL:

Thune is the loyal one... THUNE.

And Rand Paul is disloyal.

Wake up, people.

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The President should not have such unilateral power to cause such harm to the economy without the consent of Congress.

If trade agreemenst are really treaties, they need to be approved by the US Senate.  I'd also suspect that the US Senate would need to approve any modifications to the treaty or delegate that power to the President.

This is what the Founders were trying to warn us about ... too much unchecked, unbalanced power in the hands of any one individual or branch of government.

The US Constitution was designed to slow-roll radicalism to provide time for the mob's fever to break.

But nooooooooooooooooooooo ... we want things NOW! ... that lust for expediency leads to the erosion, and eventual demolition of the checks and balances that the Founders implemented to protect us from ourselves and our impatience.
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So I guess there's no more future golf outtings for Rand Paul at Mar-a-Lago?

Your question proves, yet again, you have zero idea who Trump is.  If Paul is a no-show at Mar-a-Lago, it will be the Senator's unlikely tantrum.  Trump would always welcome him to the Southern White House.

A classic Trump moment, recalled by both Trump and RFK Jr, is about the time Bobby's wife couldn't find available flights to get them to Palm Beach.  She called Trump and asked if they could use his plane.  When she told Bobby what she'd done, he was incredulous, asking her:  how could you do that, I'm suing him??  She replied:  when I mentioned your suit, he said he is well aware of it and laughed.

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“But even during that time when I was litigating against him, he ended up giving me a ride to Florida on his plane, so we were friendly, and you know, we had a great time and a lot of laughs. He’s a very congenial and interesting guy, very warm.”. --Bobby Kennedy

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The US Constitution was designed to slow-roll radicalism to provide time for the mob's fever to break.

But nooooooooooooooooooooo ... we want things NOW! ...

The actions POTUS will announce today are to correct the mistakes made in our trade agreements, both formal and informal, that have continued for decades to the detriment of our economy, manufacturing base, manufacturing independence and jobs --- making you about 20 years late with your "we want things NOW!" rant.

PS:  If you learn anything, learn that taking care of America and her citizens first isn't "radicalism" ---- it's smart.




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The actions POTUS will announce today are to correct the mistakes made in our trade agreements, both formal and informal, that have continued for decades to the detriment of our economy, manufacturing base, manufacturing independence and jobs --- making you about 20 years late with your "we want things NOW!" rant.

PS:  If you learn anything, learn that taking care of America and her citizens first isn't "radicalism" ---- it's smart.


Call me crazy, I don't like Populist ideas like having my taxes raised without the approval of Congress. It's dumb
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The means to the ends matter.

The Executive and Judiciary have been asserting too much power, and Congressional Republicans are still waiting for their testicles to drop.
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After last night’s special elections and the other special elections  we’ve had this year where either Democrats have flipped red areas  or improved  their 2024 totals, I suspect we’ll start seeing more Republicans become or attempt to become independent from Trump

As prices rise and growth contracts  and voters become more and more disgruntled, Republicans are going to  have a tough choice ahead of them..loyalty  to Trump or loyalty to the voters in their state or districts. They can’t do both.

Susan Crawford, for example, flipped 10 counties here in Wi that went for Donald Trump in 2024.  Trump barely won the state in 2024 by .09%.
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Just a suggestion for the IDEA BOX:

TBR already has Child Board places for categories such as "Ridiculous News of the Day".

So, why not a "Rubber Room for Never Trump Whiny Bitches"?
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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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The President should not have such unilateral power to cause such harm to the economy without the consent of Congress.


Congress gave that consent back in 1934:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_Tariff_Act

I have to say, Trump's graphic of tariffs on us vs. tariffs on them sort of changed my mind on the subject...

Of course I never objected to any tariffs on China. But reciprocal tariffs really does seem fair. And as the US has such a massive deficit, it really does hold all the cards here.

He just needs to be careful, he's playing with fire here.

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Congress gave that consent back in 1934:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_Tariff_Act

I have to say, Trump's graphic of tariffs on us vs. tariffs on them sort of changed my mind on the subject...

Of course I never objected to any tariffs on China. But reciprocal tariffs really does seem fair. And as the US has such a massive deficit, it really does hold all the cards here.

He just needs to be careful, he's playing with fire here.

Tariffs on us are imposed by the US Government against the US citizen and are an unbridled tax.

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Tariffs on us are imposed by the US Government against the US citizen and are an unbridled tax.

 :shrug:

Gotta pay for those jet fighters somehow.

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:shrug:

Gotta pay for those jet fighters somehow.

No. I don't think so.


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Just a suggestion for the IDEA BOX:

TBR already has Child Board places for categories such as "Ridiculous News of the Day".

So, why not a "Rubber Room for Never Trump Whiny Bitches"?


Well I voted for Trump. 3 times. So I'm not a never Trumper. That earns me the right IMO to criticize him. And healthy vigorous debate is as American as apple pie.

I don't think Mystery wants an echo chamber.

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Is there one for #AlwaysTrump ass-kissers and c*ck-suckers?
There was leading up to the 2016 election.
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Are you sure the "ring kissing schtick" is accurately applied here @catfish1957 ?

@Right_in_Virginia

I'm insulted that you think Paul are in the same box as Murkowski, Collins, and Turdle. 

He is in the top 3 most fiscal conservatives in the Senate.  Your POV implies no dissension.  If this is what MAGA is all about, maybe I need to rethink my overwhelming strong support of  Trump's economic plan.   I consider myself, pretty  literate on economics, so I hope you realize that  if what Trump does in the area of "reciprocal tariffs" fails, we are heading off the fiscal cliff even faster than if had gone the path of status quo.

Or did you notice thenews yesterday of the  Far East eco-consortium of SK-China-Japan.  If the world starts these side-trade partnering counter confederations, and decides to only trade within their allied spheres, then this could turn into an ugly almost embargo application of trade towards  our nation.   

How's do you think that that is going to work out?



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At the very least, Americans are going to  see their net worth decline and cost-of-living further increase. Do you think that the American people are gonna reward Republicans in the 2026 midterms for that? Or in the 2028 presidential election were we could end up with a Democratic socialist for president?

The worst are Republicans who acknowledge that these tariffs are going to  hurt their constituents, but have decided that being loyal to Trump is more important

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I'm insulted that you think Paul are in the same box as Murkowski, Collins, and Turdle. 

Please don't be @catfish1957   Paul's dissent is not as consistently reliable as that of Murkowski, Collins and McConnell, but it is frequent and vivid.  And, good for him.  But, sometimes Paul gets so deep into the weeds and grabs onto one point like it's a chew toy that he loses sight of the big picture and goals.  This, IMO, appears to be one of them.

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At the very least, Americans are going to  see their net worth decline and cost-of-living further increase. Do you think that the American people are gonna reward Republicans in the 2026 midterms for that? Or in the 2028 presidential election were we could end up with a Democratic socialist for president?

The worst are Republicans who acknowledge that these tariffs are going to  hurt their constituents, but have decided that being loyal to Trump is more important

Recalibrating the US economy to a manufacturing base and securing an expanding jobs market, implementing actual fair trade,  eliminating our dependence on a global supply chain and reigniting the American dream is simply not for the weak.  Hopefully, they'll go fishin' for a while and allow the courageous and strong to finally fix what has been broken for decades.   


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We just need to look at the damage his first round of tariffs caused when we started out with a lower inflation rate and a stronger economy

To me at least, having to bail out farmers  who were damaged by his first round of tariffs is counterproductive.

Americans tight budget are about to get tighter. That means they’ll pull back spending. If nobody’s buying anything who’s going to manufacture anything

Trump says that he doesn’t care if car prices go up because he believes it’ll force Americans to buy American cars. No. Americans will hold onto their cars a lot longer. So who’s gonna manufacture  cars that nobody’s gonna buy?

He may not care that prices will go up. But rest assured, the voters will


Trump is of this belief that he’s going to  dial back the economy  to the 1940s. Not going to happen.

Trump and the Republicans are not immune from the same issues that got the Democrats tossed out in 2024


Now, a miracle could happen and everybody could come together and come to an agreement that makes everybody happy.  But watching what China, Japan, and South Korea just did does not make that likely

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From my early digging, it doesn't seem that the dims can find 218 for House passage.  Hope those two new FL reps are sworn in quickly though.
And in anyplace, the chance of overriding a veto are even less. 

Dims did accomplish one thing....   wasting valuable legislative hours, that Trump might  between now and January 2027.
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W seems to be feeling the love    :laugh:  (And, these are actually real photos ...)

     

                                     




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W seems to be feeling the love    :laugh:  (And, these are actually real photos ...)

     

                                     

Imagine the nervousness of the Bush family right now as the JFK files are released?
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Just realized that after Cornyn loses his primary in about a year, he is going to be a reliable dim vote for spite and revenge.
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Surprised that Trump's chart hasn't made it on here for review....   For those screaming bloody murder, please notice that every tariff we are invoking is at or less than the trading partner.  Nervous?  Yes I am, but from the perspective of equitability, I can endorse this....  Otherwise, I challenge one Briefer to counter , why we should let the world have the upper hand.


https://twitter.com/jay_acuna/status/1907543155223965913
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Pre-market opening at this moment.

DJIA down almost 3%
NASDSQ down almost 4%
VIX- @27
Gold- Almost down 2%
Silver - Almost down 5%

I see a chance today of a couple of circuit breaker pauses.  If VIX passes 40, it might infer some panic selling.
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https://twitter.com/Geiger_Capital/status/

The past 30 or 40 years, we have had the equivalency of this on world trade:



Seems strange we have Briefers here who seem to want to perpetuate this.  Yes, Trump's strategy done so abruptly does come with risk.  but sometimes you just have to rip the bandaid off. 
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"Truer words have never been spoken:  " In the coming days, there will be complaints from the globalists... Never forget that every prediction our opponents made about trade for the last 30 years has been proven totally wrong."


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This post, from a forum 'moderator' no less, is over the line.
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This post, from a forum 'moderator' no less, is over the line.

I provided the DJT's chart, and not one peep from the naysayers on why these tariffs are a bad idea. Given every single proposed Trump tariff is at or lower than every trading partner in the world.   Maybe they like wearing kick me signs on our backs.
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Surprised that Trump's chart hasn't made it on here for review....   For those screaming bloody murder, please notice that every tariff we are invoking is at or less than the trading partner.  Nervous?  Yes I am, but from the perspective of equitability, I can endorse this....  Otherwise, I challenge one Briefer to counter , why we should let the world have the upper hand.


https://twitter.com/jay_acuna/status/1907543155223965913

I don’t mind tariffs being used as a negotiating tool. If this causes these other countries to bring down their tariffs… Great . But  If this trade war continues, it’s gonna get very hurtful for the American people. Trump has been pretty consistently wrong when it comes to tariffs. For example, his claim that it will not be passed on to the American people is false.

I’m hoping that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid this. I just don’t believe that’s gonna happen, but we’ll see.


But when a president who is implementing tariffs claims that we wouldn’t have had the Great Depression if we had tariffs at the time doesn’t make me very confident.


Despite the problems the Democrat party has, economic anxiety is for sure going to help them in the midterms. Twice in history we have were Republicans have implemented tariffs only to be wiped out electorally


Donald Trump carried my state  of Wisconsin by a very small margin. A few months later, a very progressive Supreme Court justice flipped 10 counties from Trump to her.  Trump was able to win with the promise of bringing down prices. Hardcore MAGAs will  stick with him regardless of what happens with the country. But many of those other voters will not.
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I provided the DJT's chart, and not one peep from the naysayers on why these tariffs are a bad idea. Given every single proposed Trump tariff is at or lower than every trading partner in the world.   Maybe they like wearing kick me signs on our backs.

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Saw it... frosting on the cake my FRiend.   :beer:
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I don’t mind tariffs being used as a negotiating tool. If this causes these other countries to bring down their tariffs… Great . But  If this trade war continues, it’s gonna get very hurtful for the American people. Trump has been pretty consistently wrong when it comes to tariffs. For example, his claim that it will not be passed on to the American people is false.

I’m hoping that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid this. I just don’t believe that’s gonna happen, but we’ll see.


But when a president who is implementing tariffs claims that we wouldn’t have had the Great Depression if we had tariffs at the time doesn’t make me very confident.


Despite the problems the Democrat party has, economic anxiety is for sure going to help them in the midterms. Twice in history we have were Republicans have implemented tariffs only to be wiped out electorally


Donald Trump carried my state  of Wisconsin by a very small margin. A few months later, a very progressive Supreme Court justice flipped 10 counties from Trump to her.  Trump was able to win with the promise of bringing down prices. Hardcore MAGAs will  stick with him regardless of what happens with the country. But many of those other voters will not.

IMO, what we're witnessing is tantamount to a wrestling match. 

POTUS has them pinned to the mat and we're merely waiting for the "tap out".

As youngsters, we all hated when mom grabbed the Castor Oil...
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I don’t mind tariffs being used as a negotiating tool. If this causes these other countries to bring down their tariffs… Great . But  If this trade war continues, it’s gonna get very hurtful for the American people. Trump has been pretty consistently wrong when it comes to tariffs. For example, his claim that it will not be passed on to the American people is false.

I’m hoping that cooler heads prevail and we can avoid this. I just don’t believe that’s gonna happen, but we’ll see.


But when a president who is implementing tariffs claims that we wouldn’t have had the Great Depression if we had tariffs at the time doesn’t make me very confident.


Despite the problems the Democrat party has, economic anxiety is for sure going to help them in the midterms. Twice in history we have were Republicans have implemented tariffs only to be wiped out electorally


Donald Trump carried my state  of Wisconsin by a very small margin. A few months later, a very progressive Supreme Court justice flipped 10 counties from Trump to her.  Trump was able to win with the promise of bringing down prices. Hardcore MAGAs will  stick with him regardless of what happens with the country. But many of those other voters will not.

Good points, but I think you missed the main point.  This is a leveling process....  and every proposed tariff rate proposed by Trump (see chart) is at or below what the other country is presently charging us. This is a fact the MSM is covering up.   

I have a feeling that this brings them to the negotiating table, and we will benefit.    OTOH. as I have oft said lately, is that if the other nations start banding together into regional trade confederations of free trade, this could actually turn into an international embargo towards us.  Then we're screwed.  DJT knows this is a high stakes game of chicken, and I am hoping for him and the movement's sake he is right.
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Trump sounds very similar to the McKinley tariff act of 1890 which raised tariffs in the hope that other countries would lower theirs

It didn’t work. Instead, the cost of goods increased for American consumers and Republicans got wiped out in the midterms and the presidential election.

Even McKinley himself eventually changed his views
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This tariff argument sounds very similar to the arguments I used to have with liberals over Obama Care

Both the progressive left and the MAGA right leave out the human nature factor in their ideas


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Trump sounds very similar to the McKinley tariff act of 1890 which raised tariffs in the hope that other countries would lower theirs

It didn’t work. Instead, the cost of goods increased for American consumers and Republicans got wiped out in the midterms and the presidential election.

Even McKinley himself eventually changed his views

Don't forget....   as much as Trump claims he loves tariffs, I don't put the troll factor out of play.  He's a businessman first, and foremost.
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This tariff argument sounds very similar to the arguments I used to have with liberals over Obama Care

Both the progressive left and the MAGA right leave out the human nature factor in their ideas

I agree.  If this backfires, the Trump era is over.  OTOH, again lets not forget......   Trump isn't really invoking a trade war, he's enacting a balancing process and making all tariffs at or below the nation in question.  I can't see the unfairness of that.   Believe me, the best of all worlds, would be tariffs are not allowed internationally under any circumstances.  Let the free trade chips fall where they may.
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Even McKinley himself eventually changed his views

And got wiped out himself.
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Has anyone verified the percentages Trump displayed on his chart?  They appear to be based on trade deficits rather than tariffs, and if that is the case, his “reciprocity” is way off base. 

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Has anyone verified the percentages Trump displayed on his chart?  They appear to be based on trade deficits rather than tariffs, and if that is the case, his “reciprocity” is way off base.

I don't understand what you are getting at...   There are 2 columns on the chart

(1) Tariffs Charged to the USA including currency manipulation and trade barriers
(2) USA discounted Reciprocal tariffs

I don't see anything specfic to trade deficits, and it seems pretty self explanitory to me.
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I provided the DJT's chart, and not one peep from the naysayers on why these tariffs are a bad idea. Given every single proposed Trump tariff is at or lower than every trading partner in the world.   Maybe they like wearing kick me signs on our backs.

And you likely never will. Everyone who goes apoplectic with 'S-S-Smoot-Hawley!' and other historical references are completely smoke screening that tariffs have bi-lateral effects. For us, tariffs limits access to markets and costs us jobs. We've been slow bled for decades, but hey that's ok!

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It could change, but at last glance the DOW is stabilizing nicely at about a 1500 point loss.

Saddest fellow today?  Putin.  Oil has dropped $5/bbl this morning..
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