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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2050 on: July 10, 2025, 01:34:56 pm »
US & NATO did not think Putin would invade;
Had Ukraine "negotiated", they would have been taken over by Putin, and he would have begun the process of "de-Nazification" or Holodomor II by slaughtering millions of Ukrainians - until there were no Ukrainians left live.

Your "story" is pure Russian disinformation

Hyperventilating diversion propaganda. Are they taking territory or not?
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2051 on: July 10, 2025, 10:18:19 pm »
Hyperventilating diversion propaganda. Are they taking territory or not?

How could the US/NATO have averted this war?  Please be specific.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2052 on: July 10, 2025, 10:24:26 pm »
Putin will not stop until all former USSR countries are firmly under his control. Crimea is meaningless - Russia already has it and will not give it up.

Russia is already pre-positioning troops, tanks and equipment for the eventual taking of the Baltics, Finland and Poland. Keep your eyes on the Suwauki Gap.

Then as I have been saying all along: RUSSIA MUST BE DESTROYED!!

If we don't stop them while they are weak we will have to stop them when they are strong!

1. No more sanctions! It is time for a total trade embargo on Russia and the BRICS bloc.

2. Russian aircraft must be denied airspace over Ukraine.

3. All Russian citizens must be sent back to Russia.

4. Russian diplomatic legations must be cut to the minimum. Likewise we need to cut relations with them to the minimum.

5. No more games with their bombers and fighters. Aggression against NATO aircraft must be met with lethal force. If they play nice so do we. But if they act up they die.

Stop them NOW!!!!
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2053 on: July 10, 2025, 10:40:47 pm »
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BREAKING:

Russian military drone crashes in Lithuania

The Lithuanian State Border Guard Service reported that an aircraft resembling a homemade UAV entered Lithuania from Belarusian territory.

According to Delfi, the crashed drone is believed to be a Russian unmanned aerial vehicle called “Gerbera,” which has been used by Russia in its war against Ukraine for the past year.

The “Gerbera” is a simplified and cheaper version of the Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drone.

The Gerbera is capable of performing a variety of tasks, including reconnaissance, surveillance, strikes, and diverting air defense systems.



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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2054 on: July 10, 2025, 10:42:00 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2055 on: July 10, 2025, 10:46:22 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2056 on: July 10, 2025, 10:48:01 pm »
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The Revival of the GULAG: Russia's State Duma passed a law creating a network of special FSB prisons

The authors of the bill are literally restoring the powers of the Soviet KGB. These prisons will operate outside the regular prison system, with no obligation to report to correctional authorities.



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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2057 on: July 10, 2025, 10:53:32 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2058 on: July 10, 2025, 10:55:34 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2062 on: July 10, 2025, 11:07:49 pm »
US restarts shipments of rockets and shells to Ukraine — munitions already on the way

Washington sources confirm that guided rockets and artillery shells are once again flowing to Kyiv.

Yuri Zoria  |  10/07/2025


US weapons shipments to Ukraine have resumed, with deliveries now confirmed by the Associated Press and the New York Post sources to include precision-guided GMLRS rockets and 155 mm artillery shells. This marks the first clear confirmation of resumed aid content since the Pentagon quietly paused certain deliveries weeks ago.

The confirmation of resumed US weapons shipments to Ukraine coincides with Russia’s most intense missile and drone campaign since the full-scale invasion began. Moscow launched a record-setting attack with 728 Shahed and decoy drones and 13 cruise and ballistic missiles overnight on 9 July. Varying in scale, such Russian attacks occur every night, targeting Ukrainian civilians.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/07/10/us-restarts-shipments-of-gmlrs-and-155-mm-rounds-to-ukraine-munitions-already-on-the-way/
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2063 on: July 11, 2025, 09:09:32 am »
How could the US/NATO have averted this war?  Please be specific.

WTH does that have to do with anything? We're arguing about who has the highest level of virtue signaling self righteousness on some academic chalkboard.

Again, are they taking real territory or not, as this article states, and is Ukraine able to stand their ground and push them out?
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2064 on: July 11, 2025, 09:12:15 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, July 10, 2025

Excerpts:

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio expressed frustration following a June 10 meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov about Russia's lack of progress towards ending the war in Ukraine ...Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed on July 10 that Russia prefers to achieve its war goals through peaceful and diplomatic means but that the war continues and the “realities on the ground” are changing every day.  Kremlin officials often call for Ukraine to recognize the “realities on the ground” (a reference to the frontline in Ukraine) to allude to the idea that Russia is in a stronger negotiating position given the battlefield situation and to demand that Ukraine concede to Russia's unwavering demands amounting to complete capitulation to Russia ...

The Kremlin continues efforts to use its diplomatic engagements with the United States in an effort to divert attention from the war in Ukraine and toward the potential restoration of US-Russian relations ... The Kremlin is likely attempting to push the United States to suspend its diplomatic efforts to end the war in Ukraine in exchange for developing US-Russian bilateral relations and economic opportunities.

The Economist assessed that it would take Russia about 89 years to seize all of Ukraine at its current relatively accelerated rate of advance, which has fluctuated throughout the war and is unlikely to remain constant ... . The Economist assessed that it would take Russian forces 89 years to seize the remainder of Ukraine at this rate of advance and until February 2028 to seize the remainder of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts, which Russia has illegally annexed ...

Russia continues to expend staggeringly high amounts of manpower for its disproportionately small gains ...  The Economist used this model to estimate that Russia has suffered between 900,000 and 1.3 million personnel casualties since February 24, 2022, including between 190,000 and 350,000 killed-in-action (KIA). The Economist also estimated that Russia may have suffered about 31,000 KIA since May 1 in its Summer 2025 offensive and that Russia has gained about 0.038 square kilometers of territory (or about nine acres) per KIA soldier since about July 2024 ...

Russian President Vladimir Putin dismissed Deputy Foreign Minister and Presidential Special Representative to the Middle East and Africa Mikhail Bogdanov on July 9. Kremlin newswire TASS, citing unnamed sources, claimed that Putin released Bogdanov from his duties at Bogdanov’s request for unspecified personal reasons. Bogdanov was heavily involved in the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD)’s efforts to provide military support to the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) in exchange for a Russian Red Sea naval base ...
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2065 on: July 11, 2025, 09:17:39 am »
WTH does that have to do with anything? We're arguing about who has the highest level of virtue signaling self righteousness on some academic chalkboard.

We are discussing, you are arguing. You were asked a specific question to which you were not only unable to answer, but changed the focus by deflection.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2066 on: July 11, 2025, 09:18:09 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2067 on: July 11, 2025, 09:21:20 am »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, July 10 2025

Putin praised Belousov for the blow to Kyiv. The minister promised to try even harder

According to our sources in the Ministry of Defense, the President spoke with Andrei Belousov shortly after we launched a large-scale drone and missile strike on Kiev on the night of July 10 [ https://t.me/milinfolive/152658?single ].

"Vladimir Vladimirovich contacted Andrey Removich specifically. He was very pleased. He said that we brilliantly showed everyone the power of Russian weapons, that the Russian army has no equal in the whole world, when we struck the capital of the Kyiv regime," one of the channel's interlocutors reported.

In response, Belousov promised to “try even harder and pray for our success.”

The Kremlin confirmed the fact of the conversation to us. And they added that Putin also instructed Belousov to take measures to speed up the army's advancement at the front. And he is waiting for information from the military about what is needed for this.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2068 on: July 11, 2025, 09:27:01 am »
WTH does that have to do with anything? We're arguing about who has the highest level of virtue signaling self righteousness on some academic chalkboard.

Again, are they taking real territory or not, as this article states, and is Ukraine able to stand their ground and push them out?

I am also interested in your answer to the question:

How could the US/NATO have averted this war? 

Bear in mind two things:

1. The war started in 2014.

2. The Sochi Olympics were used to cover Russian troop movements. That planning took place before the Maidan.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2069 on: July 11, 2025, 09:28:00 am »
Moscow has held a farewell ceremony for former Transport Minister Roman Starovoit, and his funeral is scheduled for July 11.


According to the official version, Roman Starovoit committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. It is expected that Starovoit will be buried at the ancient Orthodox Smolenskoye Cemetery in St. Petersburg. At the moment, the well-maintained necropolis has the status of an active closed one. Only repeated burials are allowed here on a plot where the grave of a previously deceased relative is already located.

The Smolenskoye Cemetery is famous for the fact that it contains the grave of Xenia of Petersburg - one of the most revered Russian saints in the Orthodox world. Every year, thousands of pilgrims come to pray at the burial place of Blessed Xenia and before her holy image in the chapel.

The news about the choice of the cemetery and the whole entourage with Starovoit’s death, according to a source of the Cheka-OGPU, became the main topic of discussion during the farewell in Moscow: was it really a suicide? An important feature of religious traditions is that suicides are not usually kept in cemeteries near holy relics and churches, as well as the fact that suicides are not given a funeral service.

Relatives of the deceased can achieve a funeral service for their relative who committed suicide only in the case of proof of his illness or proof that he was driven to suicide. To do this, you need to submit an application to the Moscow Patriarchate with the attached documents.

The Patriarchate considers the application of relatives within one day and, if the decision is positive, issues permission for the funeral service for the suicide. Considering that Starovoit was close to Konstantin Goloshchapov (Putin's massage therapist, Kostya Moschevoz, founder of the “Russian Athos Society”), such permission could have been quickly issued.

But there was no stopping the conspiracy theorists from the farewell (and some officials unwittingly shift the situation with Starovoit onto themselves). The source says that the most discussed version was that after his resignation from the post of minister, Starovoit was given a day before his arrest to think about what “interesting” he could tell.

And he is the Rotenbergs’ man, he was very close to them. And it is clear that they expected something interesting from him. The Rotenbergs are no longer untouchable, there are rumors that in October, Arkady Rotenberg was unable to congratulate Putin on his birthday for the first time in his life. And then there was a certain meeting with Starovoit, which ended in death.

In favor of this version, the conspiracy theorists also say that there were allegedly no surveillance cameras near the park on Rublevka that would capture the moment Starovoit’s Tesla drove up, how he got out, and what happened next. This is very strange.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2070 on: July 11, 2025, 09:32:06 am »
We are discussing, you are arguing. You were asked a specific question to which you were not only unable to answer, but changed the focus by deflection.

Which matters exactly how to what is happening on the ground?

Are the Russians gaining territory or not? Why won't YOU answer THAT instead of a bunch of spinny words to deflect that claims made in the article?

You'd rather distract to an academic discussion than deal with the reality. Spinny spinny spinny!
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2071 on: July 11, 2025, 09:32:08 am »
VChK-OGPU, July 10, 2025

It seems that for other officials, the former Minister of Transport Roman Starovoit, who according to the official version committed suicide, is becoming a certain hero and a symbol of a small protest. Sources of the Cheka-OGPU said that at the farewell in Moscow [ https://t.me/rucriminalinfo/3063?single ], the most noticeable wreath was one with the inscription “I have the honor.” Moreover, it was not from relatives, but from one of the officials. It was with the phrase “I have the honor” that Starovoit ended his message to his colleagues at the Ministry of Transport, upon learning of his resignation. A few hours later, he was found dead.

“The daughters cried loudly at the coffin, did not leave for a long time. One lay down on the coffin and cried for a long time. The mother gave a speech. She talked about what he was like at school, about his family - about his grandfather, about his father. She spoke for a long time ... She repeated several times: remember him as decent and honest. And she bowed to everyone for coming. At that moment, those gathered began to cry. One woman said: “I can't listen to this.” And she walked away. After the farewell, the mother went outside and sat on a bench. Someone they knew, either the driver or the security, approached her. And she started telling him about her son, when she last sent a text message ... She wanted to get it off her chest, apparently. She was the one who spoke the most at the farewell.

A lot of people came. They wrote that 200, that was probably it. People came by bus. They came from different regions - Tatarstan, Kursk. Polina was not there. [ Polina Kopylova, the lover of Starovoyt ]

There were a lot of wreaths, about 30 for sure. Two wreaths had the RF ribbon, such wreaths are usually sent by Putin and Mishustin. It was difficult to approach and examine the wreaths. In the hall they were watching to make sure that people did not walk around and did not film anything. Filming was strictly prohibited,” our interlocutor described the event.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2072 on: July 11, 2025, 09:38:09 am »
I am also interested in your answer to the question:

How could the US/NATO have averted this war? 

Bear in mind two things:

1. The war started in 2014.

2. The Sochi Olympics were used to cover Russian troop movements. That planning took place before the Maidan.

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  The Russians could take Kiev and you would still be going 'Hmmmm, hmmmm, I also would be very interested in how you think this war really started. You're answer is very dubious and sketchy. Yes yes yes very very sketchy. Hmmmm. (strokes chin)'

As the Russians take over the executive mansion. Keep scribbling on that chalkboard and using leftist tactics.

Are the Russians taking territory or not? Hmmm?

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2073 on: July 11, 2025, 09:52:07 am »
Kremlin snuffbox/Кремлевская табакерка, July 10 2025

Putin “could not send a wreath to the funeral of the weakling and traitor Starovoit.” Those who came to bid farewell to the former minister may be investigated by the FSB

A source in the Kremlin explained the situation to us, commenting on the fact that RIA Novosti first wrote that Vladimir Putin sent a wreath to bid farewell to Starovoit, and then cancelled this news [ https://t.me/ejdailyru/338571 ]. “I told you yesterday [ https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/5900 ]: Vladimir Vladimirovich considers Starovoit a weakling. I will add that he also considers him a coward and a traitor, one of the main culprits of Ukraine's invasion of the Kursk region last year. That is why he could not send a wreath to bid farewell to this subject. There was a mistake in the journalists’ report, it happens to everyone,” our source said.

Another representative of the Presidential Administration confirmed these words. And he wants to initiate an FSB investigation of all ministers and other officials who were at Starovoit’s farewell [ https://t.me/ejdailyru/338512 ]. He is sure that it is necessary to check, in particular, whether they are involved in the criminal schemes of the deceased. The FSB told us that they have not yet received any requests or instructions regarding such checks. But, if necessary, they are ready to start them at any time.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2074 on: July 11, 2025, 09:54:38 am »
Which matters exactly how to what is happening on the ground?

Are the Russians gaining territory or not? Why won't YOU answer THAT instead of a bunch of spinny words to deflect that claims made in the article?

You'd rather distract to an academic discussion than deal with the reality. Spinny spinny spinny!

How much are you paid to be a Russian shill? Or are you a mere 'volunteer'?
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2075 on: July 11, 2025, 10:02:37 am »
ChrisO_wiki@ChrisO_wiki, Jul 9, 2025


Russia is reported to be planning a major offensive into the Sumy, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk regions and an offensive against Odesa over the summer, using North Koreans to secure the Russian border. The Russian writer Maxim Kalashnikov calls it “practically fantastical”.

According to the private Telegram channel Razvedchik (’Scout’), the Russian General Staff has given Vladimir Putin a plan for an offensive “in the second half of the summer” of 2025. The channel reports what its sources say about the proposal:

“They are proposing to release the military for the operation from border protection, and North Korean soldiers are being trained to replace them. “The Chief of the General Staff personally reported to the president on the readiness for a large-scale phase of the operation in the coming months with an extension beyond the new territories [i.e. Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson]. “The main scenario, which insiders have become familiar with, plans to break through deep into the Sumy, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk regions to create a buffer zone by the end of the summer. The document also includes plans to reach Odesa.

“The General Staff is proposing to the President to expand the control zone as much as possible before the autumn rains, when the muddy roads will make it difficult to use equipment and force the parties to switch to positional defense. “According to the source, Russia should have enough resources for such an operation.”

Maxim Kalashnikov, a nationalist author and agitator who co-founded the Club of Angry Patriots with the jailed Igor Girkin, is very sceptical. He writes:

“I consider this practically fantastical. Even if 30,000 North Koreans replace our border guards, a major offensive (with forcing the [crossing of the] Dnipro!) will not work. The issue of paralyzing the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine by an air operation has not been resolved. The command and supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has not been destroyed. Therefore, the issue of the enemy's mass use of drones, creating a “death zone” fifty miles from the “ribbon” [border], has not been resolved.

“That is, the enemy will inflict monstrous losses on our equipment and infantry, turning our attempts to advance into something like Passchendaele or the “Nivelle massacre” in WWI [ https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-one/battles-of-world-war-one/the-nivelle-offensive/ ], while holding the line with fairly stretched forces. “Our quantitative superiority (but not qualitative and not in terms of the organisation of drones) does not solve the problem. We have not put our Air Force in order and therefore do not ensure the isolation of local areas of combat operations.

“Therefore - what kind of push to Odessa can there be? Only the slow squeezing out of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at an extremely high price. Otherwise, the flabby system, permeated with nepotism and simony, corruption and inertia, cannot conduct a military operation. “One thing is certain: summer is the last attempt. Then the raging crisis in the Russian economy puts an end to the country's ability to wage war. Both Ukraine and the Russian Federation are running out of steam.

“No “cosmetic edits” can fix the tangle of obvious missed opportunities and complete disregard for the experience of modern wars that has wound up since 2014 and since 2022. “It's too late to drink Borjomi [mineral water] when your kidneys have failed. So we'll have to do as Trump wants...” /end

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2076 on: July 11, 2025, 10:02:56 am »
How much are you paid to be a Russian shill?

And the leftist shows their stripes. How much of a racist are you you paid to be a Russian shill?

Cut thru all the hype and smoke and vapors to try and shoot the messenger, and you get one reality:

Ukraine is losing. Europe is not and will not help. It is not our war to get drug into, but the Ukrainebots on the board want the US to pour it's entire budget into the war and send our boys over their to die by the thousands in a fit of pique to get Russia good.







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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2077 on: July 11, 2025, 10:07:01 am »
The Republic is lost.

Wrong. You are lost. You need to flee to a friendly site like Free Republic ...
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2078 on: July 11, 2025, 10:09:53 am »
Wrong. You are lost. You need to flee to a friendly site like Free Republic ...

Thank you my Personal Jesus. Do you have anything other than papal platitudes, proclamations, and accusations of heresy?

The reality is your side is losing and you are taking a mental vacation in never never land.
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« Reply #2079 on: July 11, 2025, 10:36:05 am »
Rubio Calls Out Europe: You Say Ukraine Matters—Prove It…


https://twitter.com/Mylovanov/status/1943344299393061200

Bottom line is Europe doesn't give squat about Ukraine. They want us to do the heavy lifting, AGAIN!

It's time to walk away and let Europe either put skin in the game or let Ukraine slip thru the cracks.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2080 on: July 11, 2025, 01:19:29 pm »
And the leftist shows their stripes. How much of a racist are you you paid to be a Russian shill?

Cut thru all the hype and smoke and vapors to try and shoot the messenger, and you get one reality:

Ukraine is losing. Europe is not and will not help. It is not our war to get drug into, but the Ukrainebots on the board want the US to pour it's entire budget into the war and send our boys over their to die by the thousands in a fit of pique to get Russia good.

English is a second language for you.

I am not saying that as a question but as an observation and a certainty.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2081 on: July 11, 2025, 01:31:07 pm »
The Russians could take Kiev...

Yet the Russians have not taken Kyiv. After three years of Putin's vainglorious war Kyiv is still free.

And yes, the Russians have taken territory.

They've taken territory from Japan.
They've taken territory from Finland.
They've taken territory from Moldova.
They've taken territory from Georgia.

And yes, they've taken territory from Ukraine and Ukraine has taken territory from Russia.

At the rate Russia is taking territory from Ukraine the war will be lost for Ukraine in about 83 years.

I suspect Russia will not survive this year be it militarily, politically, or economically.

If you are a Russian troll then if things go to hell over there then your best option is to run and hide.

If you are a Russian shill living within reach of US law enforcement then your best option is also to run and hide.

You also have the option of registering as a foreign agent and that might make things go easier for you.

https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara

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« Reply #2082 on: July 11, 2025, 01:59:49 pm »
The Russians have also subjugated Belarus and used it as a staging ground for the invasion of northern Ukraine.
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« Reply #2083 on: July 11, 2025, 02:22:29 pm »
English is a second language for you.

I am not saying that as a question but as an observation and a certainty.

I don't see how clueless deflection changes reality. But keep on fangirling.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2084 on: July 11, 2025, 02:23:01 pm »
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« Reply #2085 on: July 11, 2025, 02:25:30 pm »


Never thought I'd see the day when Baghdad Bob got dethroned.
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« Reply #2086 on: July 11, 2025, 02:26:08 pm »
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« Reply #2087 on: July 11, 2025, 02:47:17 pm »
Moscow’s top diplomat to visit North Korea as Pyongyang gets pulled deeper into Russia’s war on Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/11/asia/russia-north-korea-lavrov-ukraine-intl-hnk

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is set to visit North Korea this weekend, in a sign of deepening relations between Moscow and Pyongyang as North Korea gets pulled deeper into Russia’s war in Ukraine.

Lavrov “will make a visit to the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea on July 11-13 for the talks that will be held as part of the second round of strategic dialogue between the top diplomats,” foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said, according to Russian state media agency TASS.

North Korea’s state news agency, KCNA, also reported Wednesday that Lavrov would be visiting “at the invitation of” Pyongyang’s foreign ministry.

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Lavrov just landed in North Korea.  Appears that Putin wants 30,000 Nork troops for border and rear area duty to free up Russian troops for whatever offensive he's planning to unleash in a few weeks.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2088 on: July 11, 2025, 02:48:12 pm »
Are the Russians gaining ground in Ukraine or not?

Yards per day and nothing more.  Ukraine is not winning but it's not losing either.  Russia is losing because it just can't finish what it started.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2089 on: July 11, 2025, 02:57:19 pm »
Are the Russians gaining ground in Ukraine or not?

Russia is gaining ground, just as a tree's trunk grows wider.


Ukraine is losing.

As is Russia.


Europe is not and will not help.

Europe is helping and will continue helping.  Heck, even Portugal donated equipment to Ukraine.  Even Switzerland.  And not just Europe.  Countries like Australia, Argentina, Mexico, etc. have chipped in.  There are dozens upon dozens of posts on these threads detailing F-16 transfers, arms factory ventures, demining equipment, APCs, anti aircraft systems, etc. from other countries.



the Ukrainebots on the board want the US to pour it's entire budget into the war and send our boys over their to die by the thousands in a fit of pique to get Russia good.

There isn't a single person posting here who advocates that.  Not a single one.

So back to my question, how could the US/NATO have averted this war?  Please be specific.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #2090 on: July 11, 2025, 06:54:05 pm »
Are the Russians gaining ground in Ukraine or not?


From what I can tell, they gain ground and then lose it. Back and forth. And I have noticed as well, it depends on which side is reporting. :shrug: I might also mention that Ukraine has made advances into Russia.

I don't think it is predetermined that the Ukes will lose. Aside from having their country and freedom to fight for...they seem pretty scrappy with some good generals.