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« Reply #1700 on: June 17, 2025, 04:04:16 pm »
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« Reply #1702 on: June 17, 2025, 04:31:01 pm »

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1935012904169787406

First, I wonder who hit who and if it was on purpose.

Second, both ships look done. Russia loses another weapon.

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« Reply #1704 on: June 18, 2025, 02:16:11 pm »
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« Reply #1705 on: June 18, 2025, 08:38:18 pm »
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« Reply #1708 on: June 19, 2025, 08:23:01 am »
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« Reply #1709 on: June 19, 2025, 08:28:50 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 18, 2025

The Kremlin likely aims to use the ongoing St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) to support ongoing efforts to consolidate control over the information space and prepare Russian society for a prolonged war effort. ...  SPIEF previously focused on foreign investment and high-profile foreign guests, but that the Kremlin now aims to project social optimism and the “appearance that everything is moving forward.” The Kremlin may have also limited internet access around SPIEF in order to better control the information space. Russian opposition media reported that Russians in and around St. Petersburg began experiencing internet outages overnight on June 17 to 18. Russian authorities previously disconnected large swaths of Russia from mobile internet using the Sovereign Internet system during Victory Day celebrations on May 9 under the guise of ensuring security but likely aimed to limit reports, footage, and imagery of Ukrainian strikes that could destroy the facade of Russian victory ... Putin likely aims to use this meeting to promote Kremlin narratives to support Russian foreign policy objectives, including deterring Western support for Ukraine and supporting Russian efforts to improve bilateral relations with the United States ...

The Kremlin continues to crack down on critical Russian milbloggers as part of its years-long effort to censor and control the Russian information space ... Kremlin newswire TASS reported on June 18 that its law enforcement sources stated that Russian authorities detained Mikhail Polynkov, the administrator of the “Soldatskaya Pravda” Telegram channel. TASS’s sources claimed that Russian authorities opened a criminal case against Polynkov for abandoning his military unit. Russian state media outlet RBK reported that Polynkov’s lawyer stated that the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) detained Polynkov and took him to the 517th Military Investigative Department of the Russian Investigative Committee but that the charges against Polynkov were still unclear. Polynkov reported his detention on his Telegram channel on June 18 and implied that Russian authorities may have detained him due to his previous posts criticizing Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov's stance on Israel and Iran.  Russian milbloggers and opposition outlets noted that Polynkov was a member of the Russian Strelkov Movement, which advocates for the release of imprisoned former officer and ardent ultranationalist Igor Girkin. The Russian Strelkov Movement claimed on June 18 that Polynkov’s arrest was due to his efforts to search for Russian servicemembers who are missing in action (MIA), suggesting that Russian authorities may have detained Polynkov over concerns he would expose the scale of Russian losses. The Kremlin has been engaged in a wide censorship campaign against the Russian information space since 2022, including by arresting the administrators of Telegram channels that were publicly critical of Russian political and military leadership ...

Ukraine's Western partners continue to supply Ukraine with military aid and announce new sanctions packages against Russia. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney announced on June 17 that Canada will provide Ukraine with two billion CAD (roughly $1.4 billion) for the purchase of helicopters, drones, armored vehicles, and ammunition and will lend Ukraine 2.3 billion CAD (roughly $1.6 billion) for the reconstruction of Ukrainian infrastructure. Canada is providing Ukraine with the loan through the G7 Extraordinary Revenue Acceleration Loans mechanism, which will finance and repay the loan using future profits from seized Russian assets.  Canadian Foreign Minister Anita Anand announced on June 17 that Canada is imposing sanctions against 77 Russian individuals, 39 entities, and 201 vessels in Russia's shadow fleet and sanctioning the trade of goods, including those related to chemical and biological weapons, dual-use industrial goods and technologies, and Russian coal and metal exports ...

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« Reply #1712 on: June 20, 2025, 09:00:49 am »
Zelensky Says Ukraine Needs $40 Billion Annually in ‘Budgetary Support’ to Keep Up Fight Against Russia

Volodymyr Zelensky said that Ukraine will need at least $40 billion per year from Western allies to ensure that it can keep up the fight against Russia and has called for additional pressure from the Trump administration on Moscow.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/06/20/zelensky-says-ukraine-needs-40-billion-annually-in-budgetary-support-to-keep-up-fight-against-russia/
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« Reply #1713 on: June 20, 2025, 09:10:09 am »
"Russia 'On the Brink Of' Recession Says [Russian] Economy Minister"

"Since sanctions were imposed following the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia's economy had outperformed early predictions. High levels of defense spending supported growth and kept unemployment rates low even as inflation worsened. Wages rose with inflation, benefiting many workers in the short term.

Large signing bonuses for military recruits and death benefits for soldiers killed in Ukraine put additional money into poorer regions of Russia. However, economists have warned that the prolonged focus on military sectors, inflation, and a lack of foreign investment are increasing long-term risks and stagnation in other economic sectors...."

https://www.newsweek.com/maxim-reshetnikov-russia-economy-recession-warning-2088237
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« Reply #1715 on: June 20, 2025, 10:01:45 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 19, 2025

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The West has failed to convince Russian President Vladimir Putin to reevaluate his theory of victory in Ukraine in the past year. Putin's public statements indicate that he continues to assess that Russian forces will be able to win a war of attrition by sustaining gradual advances along the frontline indefinitely. Putin articulated a theory of victory during the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) in June 2024 that assumes that Russian forces will be able to continue gradual creeping advances indefinitely, prevent Ukraine from conducting successful operationally significant counteroffensive operations, and win a war of attrition against Ukrainian forces ...

Putin's theory of victory is predicated on critical assumptions about Ukraine's capabilities and continued Western support for Ukraine - conditions that the West can still change. Putin's theory assumes that Russian forces will be able to leverage their advantages in manpower and materiel to overwhelm Ukrainian forces and that Ukrainian forces will be unable to liberate any operationally or strategically-significant territory that Russian forces seize ...

Putin continued Russia's reflexive control campaign that aims to deter Western provisions of military aid to Ukraine and NATO rearmament but appears to be adapting this campaign for different audiences. Putin claimed during his June 19 meeting with foreign journalists at SPIEF that Russia does not consider NATO rearmament (in line with US President Donald Trump's objective for Europe to shoulder more of the burden for collective security) to be a threat as Russia is able to ensure its own security and is constantly improving the Russian military and Russia's defensive capabilities ...

Putin explicitly stated that he will not sign a peace agreement with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Putin stated that he is willing to negotiate with Zelensky but claimed that Zelensky is illegitimate and that Russia will only sign legal agreements with “legitimate” authorities ...

Russian officials appear to be struggling to posture Russia's economic strength amid increasing signs of a slowing Russian economy. Russian Central Bank Chairperson Elvira Nabiullina stated at SPIEF on June 19 that Russia's economy grew at a high rate for two years because Russia was using “free resources,” including Russia's workforce, production capacity, import substitution, the liquid assets of the National Welfare Fund, and the banking system's capital reserve ...

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« Reply #1718 on: June 20, 2025, 10:04:37 am »
"Russia 'On the Brink Of' Recession Says [Russian] Economy Minister"

"Since sanctions were imposed following the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia's economy had outperformed early predictions. High levels of defense spending supported growth and kept unemployment rates low even as inflation worsened. Wages rose with inflation, benefiting many workers in the short term.

Large signing bonuses for military recruits and death benefits for soldiers killed in Ukraine put additional money into poorer regions of Russia. However, economists have warned that the prolonged focus on military sectors, inflation, and a lack of foreign investment are increasing long-term risks and stagnation in other economic sectors...."

https://www.newsweek.com/maxim-reshetnikov-russia-economy-recession-warning-2088237

Russia's economy is at risk of cooling down excessively amid a prolonged period of high interest rates and could face challenges returning to a growth path, a top executive at Russia's largest lender, Sberbank, has warned.

“There is a danger of the economy overcooling and that we may not be able to come out of this slump, and further growth could be very restrained,” Sberbank First Deputy CEO Alexander Vedyakhin told Reuters on Wednesday. Vedyakhin projected Russia's GDP to grow just 1 to 2% this year, less than the government's projection of 2.5%.

Russia's Central Bank lowered its key interest rate to 20% from a historic high of 21% this month, attempting to keep inflationary pressure from the overheating war economy at bay while responding to growing political pressure to ease borrowing costs.

“My sense is that, most likely, the Central Bank's key rate could be around 17% by the end of this year. I don't think the Central Bank will sharply reduce the rate as there is a risk that inflation could rise again,” Vedyakhin said.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/06/18/russian-economy-at-risk-of-overcooling-sberbank-executive-warns-a89493
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« Reply #1719 on: June 20, 2025, 10:06:15 am »
"Russia 'On the Brink Of' Recession Says [Russian] Economy Minister"


Translation: Russia has been in a recession and now it's so damned obvious that their government can't paper it over with more lies.

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« Reply #1720 on: June 20, 2025, 11:17:53 am »
"Russia 'On the Brink Of' Recession Says [Russian] Economy Minister"

"Since sanctions were imposed following the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia's economy had outperformed early predictions. High levels of defense spending supported growth and kept unemployment rates low even as inflation worsened. Wages rose with inflation, benefiting many workers in the short term.

Large signing bonuses for military recruits and death benefits for soldiers killed in Ukraine put additional money into poorer regions of Russia. However, economists have warned that the prolonged focus on military sectors, inflation, and a lack of foreign investment are increasing long-term risks and stagnation in other economic sectors...."

https://www.newsweek.com/maxim-reshetnikov-russia-economy-recession-warning-2088237

Before we get too snug with this announcement....  Realize that oil has shot up from $63/bbl to $76/bbl since the Middle East crisis.   Putin sadly can operate quite comfortably at that level, and sustain war effort.
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« Reply #1721 on: June 20, 2025, 12:36:06 pm »
Zelensky Says Ukraine Needs $40 Billion Annually in ‘Budgetary Support’ to Keep Up Fight Against Russia

Volodymyr Zelensky said that Ukraine will need at least $40 billion per year from Western allies to ensure that it can keep up the fight against Russia and has called for additional pressure from the Trump administration on Moscow.

Sorry, can't spare it.  We need that $40 billion to fund USAID (and all the left-wing groups they pour cash into) each year.
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« Reply #1722 on: June 20, 2025, 12:48:58 pm »
Before we get too snug with this announcement....  Realize that oil has shot up from $63/bbl to $76/bbl since the Middle East crisis.   Putin sadly can operate quite comfortably at that level, and sustain war effort.

This is true.  But during Trump's last term, we proved that the price of oil can be driven down even with Iranian oil taken completely off the market.  Trump can easily end this war by flooding the global market with US oil.
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« Reply #1724 on: June 20, 2025, 12:53:28 pm »
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« Reply #1726 on: June 20, 2025, 01:06:38 pm »
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Massive Russian Military Buildup Triggers Alarm Across the Finnish Border!

Today [ June 18 ], there are interesting updates from the NATO’s northern flank. Here, Russia has started rapidly escalating the tensions by building up forces and constructing new bases on the border with Finland. The Scandinavian country has been attacked by Russia before, so the Finnish did not wait, and immediately began preparing for the worst-case scenario. Russia has begun a notable militarization of its extensive border with Finland, significantly escalating its military presence through the construction of new bases and the redeployment of forces. Recent satellite imagery, confirmed by NATO officials, reveals extensive activity, including rows of newly erected tents, warehouses for military vehicles, refurbished fighter jet shelters, and revitalization of a previously abandoned helicopter base. These developments indicate the preliminary stages of a substantial, long-term military buildup... 

Yet, Russia quickly shifted its posture, rapidly militarizing the border area, which has now become NATO’s longest contiguous boundary with Russia, spanning approximately 1,330km ... Military analyst Michael Kofman of the Carnegie Endowment, predicted that Russia will significantly expand its ground forces facing NATO, particularly in sensitive regions, such as Finland’s northern frontier. Russia's buildup is also strongly tied to strategic interests in the Arctic. Moscow regards control over Arctic regions as essential for securing its status as a great power. Satellite imagery recently confirmed Russian military helicopters returning to Murmansk, a strategic Arctic port city, after a two-decade absence ... According to Finnish defense analysts, Russia is also expanding brigades into divisions, implying an imminent surge in Russian troop strength along the border.

Russia has upgraded several military bases near Finland to enhance its defense capabilities. Key bases include Alakurtti Air Base, which supports cold-weather operations and Arctic defense, and Petrozavodsk, which offers armored vehicle storage and troop mobilization. Severomorsk-2 strengthens Arctic naval and air operations, while Olenya Air Base facilitates strategic bomber activity and large-scale operations, less than 150 kilometers from Finland, with significant infrastructure improvements indicating plans for an even larger military presence. These upgrades provide Russia with rapid deployment capacity and enhanced surveillance, strengthening its position in a potential clash ... Helsinki's military intelligence head, Brigadier General Pekka Turunen, to predict that Russian troop numbers near Finland could triple within five years. Consequently, Finland extended its indefinite border closure with Russia, citing the ongoing hybrid warfare tactics, including weaponized migration, similar to what Poland is experiencing on its border with Belarus.

Further intensifying tensions, in May and June 2025, Russia redeployed battle-hardened troops from Ukraine and intelligence specialists to the Finnish border, significantly bolstering strategic bases and violating Finnish airspace, prompting a diplomatic confrontation ... Finland is actively enhancing its defensive posture by emphasizing a pragmatic approach and preparing for the worst case scenarios by increasing defense spending and raising reservist eligibility to age 65. Finnish military planners forecast that once active hostilities in Ukraine diminish, Russia will substantially increase deployments along Finland's border, prompting predictions of a possible armed confrontation soon after ... Finland's defensive measures originate from a historical memory, deeply shaped by past aggression from Russia notably during the Winter War of 1939 to 1940 resulting in substantial territorial losses. The recent rapid militarization by Russia reaffirms Finland's decision to swiftly join NATO following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Now Russia is stepping up the provocations by starting to build up forces along the border which is enough to make the Finnish government suspicious.

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« Reply #1727 on: June 20, 2025, 01:11:26 pm »
Ukraine struck by Russian drones just hours after Putin's peace pledge

The bombardment is just the latest in a series of brutal strikes targeting civilian infrastructure in cities and towns across Ukraine.

John Varga, John O'Sullivan  |  Jun 20, 2025  |  07:53 ET


Overnight, Russia carried out a massive air strike on Odesa, killing one and injuring at least 14 others. This offensive action occurred just hours after Vladimir Putin professed a desire for peace and offered to engage in one-to-one talks, including with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, though he simultaneously undermined Zelensky's authority by stating he had no right to sign any peace agreements.

The attack is part of a relentless pattern of strikes that have targeted civilian infrastructure throughout Ukraine. In the most recent night assault, seven residential structures were struck, igniting widespread fires.

An evacuation of over 600 residents from a 23-story building was necessary when flames engulfed floors 18 through 20. Additionally, a four-story building was "completely engulfed in flames,"  .  .  .

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/175370/russia-pummels-ukraine-latest-deadly-attack-hours-after-putin-speaks-peace
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« Reply #1732 on: June 20, 2025, 01:33:53 pm »
Russia must not let economy slip into recession, says Putin

Vladimir Soldatkin and Guy Faulconbridge  |  June 20, 2025  |  10:10 AM EDT


ST PETERSBURG, Russia, June 20 (Reuters) - Russia's economy must under no circumstances slide into recession, President Vladimir Putin told an economic forum on Friday, in a clear instruction to assembled government ministers and central bankers.

The Bank of Russia hiked its key interest rate to the highest level since the early 2000s in October, seeking to curb stubbornly high inflation, before cutting it by one percentage point to 20% earlier this month.

The Kremlin has said this easing did not go far enough, as the economy threatens to cool too quickly after running hot for two years thanks largely to huge increases in defence spending on the war in Ukraine.

"Our most important task is to ensure the economy's transition to a balanced growth trajectory," Putin said in a keynote speech at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum.

Consumer inflation is running at 9.59% on an annual basis, according to the economy ministry, well above the central bank's 4% target, but has been gradually easing since late April.

"Balanced growth is moderate inflation, low unemployment, and continued positive economic dynamics... At the same time, some specialists and experts point to the risks of stagnation and even recession. This should not be allowed under any circumstances," Putin said.

Economy Minister Maxim Reshetnikov, in a downbeat message to Russia's showcase economic event, said on Thursday that the economy was on the verge of sliding into recession and monetary policy decisions would determine whether it falls into one or not.

Pressure on the central bank is mounting.  .  .  .

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« Reply #1733 on: June 20, 2025, 03:07:56 pm »
https://kyivindependent.com/all-of-ukraine-is-ours/

'All of Ukraine is ours' — Putin on Russia's territorial ambitions in Ukraine

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Russian President Vladimir Putin said "all of Ukraine" belonged to Russia in a speech on June 20 at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, amid increasingly aggressive official statements about Moscow's final territorial ambitions in Ukraine.

Putin's claim was based on the false narrative often pushed both by himself as leader and by Russian propaganda that Russians and Ukrainians are "one people."

The narrative has long figured prominently in Putin's rhetoric, often brought up as justification for its aggression in Ukraine.

In July 2021, just half a year before the full-scale invasion, the Russian leader stoked fears of a larger attack when he wrote and published an essay on the "historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians."

In response to the speech in St Petersburg, Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha condemned Putin’s comments as "cynical," saying it showed “complete disregard for U.S. peace efforts."

"While the United States and the rest of the world have called for an immediate end to the killing, Russia's top war criminal discusses plans to seize more Ukrainian territory and kill more Ukrainians," he wrote in a post on X.

Putin made several other statements at the forum, some contradictory, about Moscow's aims in the war going forward.

"Wherever the foot of a Russian soldier steps is Russian land," Putin said, directly implying Russia's intention to continue occupying more than just the five Ukrainian regions that Moscow has illegally laid claim to: Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson oblasts, as well as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

Sybiha said that "Russian soldier's foot" brings only "death, destruction, and devastation." He accused Putin of indifference toward his own troops, calling him “a mass murderer of his own people.”

"He already disposed one million Russian soldiers in a senseless bloodbath in Ukraine without achieving a single strategic goal. One million soldiers. Two million feet," the minister said.

"And, while Putin is busy sending Russian feet to invade other countries, he is bringing Russians inside the country to their knees economically."
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« Reply #1734 on: June 20, 2025, 08:11:32 pm »
Zelensky Says Ukraine Needs $40 Billion Annually in ‘Budgetary Support’ to Keep Up Fight Against Russia

Volodymyr Zelensky said that Ukraine will need at least $40 billion per year from Western allies to ensure that it can keep up the fight against Russia and has called for additional pressure from the Trump administration on Moscow.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/06/20/zelensky-says-ukraine-needs-40-billion-annually-in-budgetary-support-to-keep-up-fight-against-russia/

That is insanity!  If Z is given $40 billion a year, what incentive is there to negotiate a peace settlement??

I think that the U.S. has given plenty.

Zelensky asks G7 for $40 billion per year to keep Ukraine afloat

https://justthenews.com/government/security/zelensky-asks-g7-40-billion-year-keep-ukraine-afloat

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« Reply #1735 on: June 20, 2025, 08:24:00 pm »
That is insanity!  If Z is given $40 billion a year, what incentive is there to negotiate a peace settlement??

I think that the U.S. has given plenty.

Zelensky asks G7 for $40 billion per year to keep Ukraine afloat

https://justthenews.com/government/security/zelensky-asks-g7-40-billion-year-keep-ukraine-afloat

How do you negotiate with an aggressor who demands substantial parts of your country??? That's like "negotiating" with a kidnapper on how many of your children they're going to take.

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« Reply #1736 on: June 20, 2025, 11:16:21 pm »
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« Reply #1737 on: June 21, 2025, 03:02:36 am »
How do you negotiate with an aggressor who demands substantial parts of your country??? That's like "negotiating" with a kidnapper on how many of your children they're going to take.
More like which parts of them they get to keep after you pay the ransom.

In this, get Russia out of the Ukraine, restore pre-conflict borders (including Crimea), and have Russia pay reparations for damages.
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« Reply #1738 on: June 21, 2025, 06:55:39 am »
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, June 20, 2025

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Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed that Russians and Ukrainians are one nation and all of Ukraine is effectively Russian as part of efforts to justify his continued conquest of Ukraine ...Putin has repeatedly demonstrated that he does not consider Ukraine as an independent state with its own history, identity, and culture separate from Russia, as evidenced by his 2021 “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians” essay and his repeated false assertion that Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians are all part of one historical people. ISW has previously noted that the Kremlin's ongoing information operation attempting to portray Russians and Ukrainians as one unified nation and culturally and historically homogeneous is one of its most significant information operations aimed at undermining Western support for Ukraine and justifying the war effort to the Russian people. Putin's commitment to this narrative underscores his ongoing commitment to destroying the Ukrainian state and subjugating the Ukrainian people ...

The Kremlin continues to prioritize maintaining the facade of economic stability by pursuing economic policies that will likely exacerbate Russia's economic instability. Putin claimed during SPIEF on June 20 that Russia's debt is not growing and refuted claims that Russia's economy is declining ...

The Kremlin has repeatedly attempted to posture the Russian economy as strong and stable, claiming in recent months that inflation was between nine and 10 percent when the actual figure was likely closer to 20 percent.  Putin's June 20 claim that Russian inflation is 9.6 percent is likely also false. ISW has observed reports that domestic consumers in Russia continue to face rising prices for staple food items, such as potatoes and butter. Putin also failed to acknowledge the growing detrimental effects of high interest rates of 20 percent on the Russian industrial sector. Russian steel company Severstal head, Alexander Shevelev, warned on June 19 that metallurgical production facilities are at risk of shutting down due to low consumer demand and high interest rates ...  Putin's efforts to frame the Russian economy as stable and growing are part of his efforts to balance social support programs with Russia's military needs and maintain his support among the Russian population despite the growing economic costs of his war in Ukraine. ISW continues to assess that Kremlin efforts to pressure the Central Bank into prematurely lowering the key interest rate to maintain the facade of economic stability may backfire and contribute to elevated levels of inflation.

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« Reply #1740 on: June 21, 2025, 07:15:24 am »
How Much Does it Cost to be a Russian Soldier at the Ukrainian Front?


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"You give away half your salary in one day"

The salaries of the participants in the special operation in Ukraine are considered very high by Russian standards - they can receive 200 or 300,000 rubles [ US$2,550-US$3825 ]. However, as the fighters told Lenta.ru, this money often simply disappears. It is spent on things that cannot be expected to be delivered - worn-out ammunition and spare parts for drones, gasoline and vehicles for combat missions, food and everyday goods. At the same time, businessmen in the SVO zone can double or triple the price at the sight of soldiers, and taxi drivers earn tens of thousands of rubles per trip from the military personnel. How much do the SVO participants earn and what do they spend their money on - in the material of Lenta.ru.

Every month we chip in 10,000 to send something to the guys at the front, if there are any needs, expenses on cars and equipment, so that it is always in good condition. If you combine the unit's expenses, then this consistently costs about 20,000 rubles a month ... [ 20,000 rubles = US$255 at the current rate ]

There are often no price tags at the market, so it happens that if you come in regular clothes, a kilo of tomatoes costs 100 rubles, but if you come in military clothes, the prices jump to 300-350 rubles. This is not everywhere, mainly from private traders. I don't think it's a matter of personal hostility, everyone just wants to have their own penny ...

On vacation, I want to have a good rest, so I spend about 350 thousand - on travel, cafes and restaurants. The last time I explored my native region, it cost me 180 thousand. I stayed at recreation centers. This time I plan to relax in Sochi. Already with the hotel and other entertainment, I counted 230 thousand ...

Prices here are higher than in Russia. Even such basic goods as bread, milk and cigarettes. There's nothing to do with two thousand rubles ...

My salary is 230 thousand rubles. It is not enough for many things. We are a UAV platoon, we need to buy batteries and equipment. We eat and dress at our own expense. If I manage to send home to my children and family, then it is a fairly small amount, 40 thousand rubles. And even then not always. I generally sometimes take money from my common-law wife at home, she helps. And humanitarian aid helps.

The main expenses are for equipment, if there is not enough of it. We pay money for Starlink, buy gasoline every month. We collect it for the guys on the front lines. Due to expenses in May, I now have 150 rubles left on my card. They give out food, but in most cases we buy it ourselves. They give out stewed meat, not very good pasta. I want to eat better. The commander goes to the city, buys everything necessary, orders something from the "mainland" ...

It's hard to calculate how much money is spent on food per person. This time [for a week] for a small unit it was 40 thousand, but it can be 20 thousand per person. We still eat well. We buy meat, cabbage, carrots. The guys at the positions spend more because they buy ready-made food. They don't have the opportunity to cook ...

For some things you have to save up for several months. For example, for the installation of electronic warfare. If you want to live, you buy it with your own money ...

There wasn't a single month of service when I didn't chip in for a comrade's funeral - that's also a separate expense item. You chip in as much as you have conscience. Funeral payments [for relatives] take a very long time to come through, but the burial needs to be done now ...

https://lenta.ru/articles/2025/06/19/dengi/
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« Reply #1741 on: June 21, 2025, 10:11:12 am »
“You're Always a Target.” How a Chechen War Veteran Fled the Ukrainian War

In the fall of 2022, 42-year-old Alexander was mobilized and sent to Ukraine. His unit was driven to the “front line” in “meat assaults” by commanders using blocking detachments that fired in case of retreat, he claims. In August 2023, Alexander was able to desert and left Russia, but he is still haunted by nightmares and anxiety about his future.

On January 27, he was sent first to Rostov, then to the Luhansk region.
– There were many abandoned houses where we settled. There were very few people, especially in the villages closer to the border with Russia. Then we were transferred to Belogorovka. The situation there was simply depressing, bombed-out houses, five-story buildings with gaping holes, destroyed by shells. We stayed there for about two weeks, then we were transferred to positions where we built dugouts a kilometer from the front line. Then the evacuation of the wounded and the dead was added to our duties. There were a lot of losses, even during evacuations and during the construction of fortifications. There was not a week without “two-hundredths”  [ Dead ] and “three-hundredths” (wounded).

Many died from shrapnel wounds as a result of drone attacks, Alexander says.
- People were torn apart - someone got hit in the head, an eye was knocked out. We went in platoons to evacuate the plant near Belogorovka, which they kept trying to take. Only corpses, craters, he continues.

According to him, there was very fierce fighting for a small section of the road, the “Storm Z” groups ( sabotage and assault units of the Russian army, formed mainly from prisoners ), constantly entering the positions, did not stay there for more than five minutes. The most unlucky were those who ended up on the front line.

– There was a battalion commander, call sign “Bely”. You could say he wiped out his Luhansk guys on the front line – with constant assaults , especially when they were taking the local filtration station. He killed everyone, and eventually got to our guys. They were evacuating the wounded, and he wanted to send them to storm. The first time he succeeded, the guys didn't know what was what yet.

The second time he shot them in the legs with a machine gun. I had a connection with the first line, and I heard him talking, or rather, just yelling - an inadequate person. And they didn't allow us to bomb the water filtration station, attack it with tanks or anything heavy, because, according to rumors, this Bely either had investments in it, or was promised it. Because of this - constant assaults.

Alexander explains that there was also a kind of penal battalion besides “Storm Z” - simply “Storm”.
- These are the same death row inmates. You could end up there for anything: drinking, insubordination, failure to follow orders. There was one who filed a resignation report, which he didn't even write himself, the political officer did it for him. I don't know what they had a disagreement about, but the man didn't drink, and “Storm” was short five men, and he was the one they took. As a result, as the paramedic told me, he was lying in a coma in a hospital in St. Petersburg, with half his face made of plastic. The mobilized men were basically treated like slaves. Upon arrival, one company of our battalion was immediately assigned to “Storm”, and during the first assault, 37 people out of 110 remained

- No matter how Russia starts a war, there is a shortage of personnel, equipment, and gear. And the officers drank, and they continue to drink, and they abused the soldiers there, and they abuse them here. The command, they were cattle then, and they are cattle now. Nothing has changed; they treat soldiers like meat, except that they didn't openly "zero" them back then, he says.

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This is a war crime:


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In the Kremenchuk district of Poltava region, cluster munition remnants were found after a Russian shelling — police warn of deadly danger.

Following the overnight combined Russian shelling of the Kremenchuk district, remnants of cluster munitions have been discovered in the area, according to the Poltava region police.

Law enforcement officials warn that these remnants pose a deadly threat to both adults and children. The cluster elements resemble metallic spheres about 10 centimeters in diameter and can look like toys or balls, significantly increasing the risk of accidental contact.

Police urge citizens to exercise extreme caution and to immediately report any suspicious objects to emergency services or law enforcement.



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