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« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2025, 01:09:54 am »
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« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2025, 01:11:24 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #102 on: March 28, 2025, 01:15:12 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2025, 01:24:27 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2025, 06:42:29 am »
I guess Trump and Witkoff shouldn't have taken the EU for granted before insulting, ignoring, and blowing it off before trying to impose these terms.

Art of the deal and all that rubbish...

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #105 on: March 28, 2025, 07:58:28 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on March 28, 2025, 06:42:29 am
I guess Trump and Witkoff shouldn't have taken the EU for granted before insulting, ignoring, and blowing it off before trying to impose these terms.

Art of the deal and all that rubbish...

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Maybe pissing off our allies and bowing down to Russia was not a good idea after all.  I guess it is Art of the deal.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #106 on: March 28, 2025, 08:49:24 am »
Quote from: jafo2010 on March 28, 2025, 12:39:03 am
Simple reason, it means nuclear warheads headed their way.

Why are we still helping Europe? 
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #107 on: March 28, 2025, 08:53:23 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on March 28, 2025, 07:58:28 am

Maybe pissing off our allies and bowing down to Russia was not a good idea after all.  I guess it is Art of the deal.

Speaking of bowing down -- our "allies" are trading with Russia during a war that, according to Briefers, is for their very existence.  I guess it's the Art of the Fakeout.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #108 on: March 28, 2025, 08:54:55 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 08:49:24 am
Why are we still helping Europe?


Until your favorite country stop bring friends with China, Iran, and North Korea we must treat Russia as the enemy. That is why we are helping them.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2025, 09:14:14 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 08:53:23 am
our "allies" are trading with Russia during a war that, according to Briefers, is for their very existence

True, some European countries, like Germany, are dependent on Russia for energy.

Why? Because Putin's mole, Angela Merkel, did a great job of helpfully destroying Germany's nuclear energy industry after the Fukushima fiasco (2011) - which until that time, had been among the safest and most reliable in the World.

Germany needs to revive their nuclear power and give Russia the boot.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2025, 09:27:40 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #113 on: March 28, 2025, 09:43:35 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on March 28, 2025, 08:54:55 am

Until your favorite country stop bring friends with China, Iran, and North Korea we must treat Russia as the enemy. That is why we are helping them.


Yeah I got this crazy notion that any country that has nukes pointed at us should be treated as an enemy....
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #114 on: March 28, 2025, 09:44:58 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #115 on: March 28, 2025, 09:53:34 am »
Putin also finding out that Trump's word and influence in Europe are now worthless.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #116 on: March 28, 2025, 10:11:29 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on March 28, 2025, 09:53:34 am
Putin also finding out that Trump's word and influence in Europe are now worthless.


https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1905612008138956921

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #117 on: March 28, 2025, 10:23:33 am »
Well if that is not a major reversal then I don't know what is.  So much for ending the war on Day 1!

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #118 on: March 28, 2025, 10:42:45 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #119 on: March 28, 2025, 10:45:27 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #120 on: March 28, 2025, 11:05:04 am »

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1905392369110753416


Sweden...now a member of NATO.

pootin did that.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #121 on: March 28, 2025, 11:15:39 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #122 on: March 28, 2025, 11:18:38 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 27, 2025, 08:48:08 am
Maybe he does.

We don't have the manufacturing base to fight a two front war. The more he can get Europe to build up theirs, the more we can concentrate on the Pacific. In the meantime, he is encouraging the redevelopment of our manufacturing base at home. Discarding the green new deal will also mean we have the energy base to support that, and doing so leads the way for Europe to discard that folly as well.

Selling out Ukraine to Russia doesn't advance that goal.
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« Reply #123 on: March 28, 2025, 11:19:53 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on March 28, 2025, 08:54:55 am

Until your favorite country stop bring friends with China, Iran, and North Korea we must treat Russia as the enemy. That is why we are helping them.

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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #124 on: March 28, 2025, 11:26:03 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #125 on: March 28, 2025, 11:28:03 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on March 28, 2025, 09:53:34 am
Putin also finding out that Trump's word and influence in Europe are now worthless.

This whole phenomenon of conservatives fawning over Russia and mindlessly hating Ukraine reminds me of the Democrats mindlessly hating Trump and Elon.

It is apparent that a significant number of Americans on both sides of the political spectrum have become NPC's who just think whatever they're programmed to think.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #126 on: March 28, 2025, 11:56:22 am »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #127 on: March 28, 2025, 11:56:54 am »
Military analyst Michael Clarke said that Russia has violated 190 agreements over the years, Sky News reported on March 26.

One of the most significant for Ukraine was the 2014 Minsk Agreements, which were signed in an attempt to end the fighting following Russia’s invasion of Crimea that February.

Clarke pointed to the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 as perhaps the most crucial deal. Under this agreement, Ukraine agreed to relinquish the nuclear weapons it inherited from the Soviet Union.
https://united24media.com/latest-news/russia-has-violated-190-agreements-says-military-analyst-michael-clarke-7088
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« Reply #128 on: March 28, 2025, 11:57:19 am »
1/ Ukraine has obtained large numbers of Soviet-era shells and rockets from Syria, according to a Russian warblogger. The supplies are likely to have come from the stockpiles of the former Syrian Arab Army, perhaps via Turkey

2/ The Russian ‘Vault 8’ Telegram channel writes that Ukraine no longer lacks ammunition for some of its legacy Soviet artillery systems:

3/ “Quite unexpectedly, after the fall of the Assad regime in Syria and the defeat of the Syrian Arab Army, the Ukrainians acquired a very impressive number of shells of some types for Soviet systems.

4/ “Now they can again, as in early 2022, afford to fire at a target such as an assault group in salvoes of 10-15 rockets from the Grad, and at important targets with a full package [of 40 rockets], without constraining themselves.

https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3llewvxriy32u
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #129 on: March 28, 2025, 12:00:12 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #130 on: March 28, 2025, 12:02:54 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on March 28, 2025, 11:28:03 am
It is apparent that a significant number of Americans on both sides of the political spectrum have become NPC's who just think whatever they're programmed to think.

Like you're programmed to believe WWII never ended and our true destiny is to die protecting the civilization that has blessed the world with socialism, marxism, fascism, nazism, globalism and more than one hundred million dead in just one century?   Like you're programmed to believe the war in 1776 wasn't *really* about America's independence?






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« Reply #131 on: March 28, 2025, 12:06:39 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 12:02:54 pm
Like you're programmed to believe WWII never ended and our true destiny is to die protecting the civilization that has blessed the world with socialism, maxism, fascism, nazism, globalism and more than one hundred million dead in just one century?   Like you're programmed to believe the war in 1776 wasn't *really* about America's independence?

Oh, you hate our entire civilization?

That's a lovely admission on your part. Thank you. It is a rare day when someone gifts me with such an abundantly clear admission.
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« Reply #132 on: March 28, 2025, 12:07:48 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 12:02:54 pm
Like you're programmed to believe WWII never ended and our true destiny is to die protecting the civilization that has blessed the world with socialism, maxism, fascism, nazism, globalism and more than one hundred million dead in just one century?   Like you're programmed to believe the war in 1776 wasn't *really* about America's independence?



Wow.  Just wow.  Thanks for demonstrating just how accurate all the critcisms of you here are.
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« Reply #133 on: March 28, 2025, 12:08:08 pm »
Russian spiritualism makes another appearance

A new pilgrimage is taking place in Russia. A symbolic pipe has been installed near the temple, through which the Pilgrims climb inside to cleanse themselves and receive grace ... video at link
https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3llgejiymfk2o

Russians advanced to Sudzha in the Kursk area, then the Russians tried to enter Sudzha through a gas pipeline suffered severe lung damage and chemical pneumonitis. Doctors are unable to predict the consequences of this. Video at link:
https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3llbnq3xfa22b

Note that the people above are the survivors of the failed assault; they were behind the main assault group when the UKR troops collapsed the pipe. The other 100 were wiped out by the waiting UKR troops.
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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #134 on: March 28, 2025, 12:08:24 pm »
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« Reply #135 on: March 28, 2025, 12:09:36 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 12:02:54 pm
Like you're programmed to believe the war in 1776 wasn't *really* about America's independence?

And what the hell is this and where did you cook this up? Making shit up and expecting me to defend myself from something I never said is a despicable tactic. Don't do this with me. I will call you out on it every single time.
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« Reply #136 on: March 28, 2025, 12:24:58 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on March 28, 2025, 12:06:39 pm
Oh, you hate our entire civilization?

That's a lovely admission on your part. Thank you. It is a rare day when someone gifts me with such an abundantly clear admission.


Yep sure seems to hate western civilization...what would he recommend as an alternative? 
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« Reply #137 on: March 28, 2025, 12:27:52 pm »
Quote from: DominusVobiscum on March 28, 2025, 12:24:58 pm

Yep sure seems to hate western civilization...what would he recommend as an alternative?

If some one hates Western civilization, then the alternative "civilization" is Islam which is currently having its second go at destroying Western civilization.
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« Reply #138 on: March 28, 2025, 12:36:18 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 12:27:48 pm
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Read my post again, slowly (included below) ----  and then explain why you're defending socialism, marxism, nazism, globalism, genocide and mass destruction and choosing to trample on American independence for the continent that bestowed these worldviews upon the world. 

Why are you so blindly willing to attack American blood and treasure for the Europeans?

Let me repeat this since you missed it:

And what the hell is this and where did you cook this up? Making shit up and expecting me to defend myself from something I never said is a despicable tactic. Don't do this with me. I will call you out on it every single time.
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« Reply #139 on: March 28, 2025, 12:38:29 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 12:35:31 pm
Hey, Sparky, you're the one defending Europe's propensity for socialism, nazism, marxism, fascism, globalism,  genocide, mass bloodshed and destruction.

You're the one choosing Europe over the US ---- and refuse to even say why.

No, actually she's not.  You are.
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« Reply #140 on: March 28, 2025, 12:41:47 pm »
END GAME Putin declares he can ‘finish off’ Ukraine in brazen defiance of Trump – as he boards nuke sub and unleashes new strikes
The SUN by Georgie English Sayan Bose  Updated: 11:36 ET, Mar 28 2025

A MENACING Vladimir Putin has defied Donald Trump and declared he can "finish off" Ukraine despite an impending ceasefire.

The brutal tyrant has also unleashed a wave of fresh strikes on civilian targets and retaken a border village in Kursk.

Putin made the threat while visiting a nuclear submarine base in Russia's frozen north - just a week after Sir Keir Starmer had a similar visit.

He launched a new nuclear submarine named the Perm - the first of its kind to be equipped with hypersonic Zircon missiles as a standard feature.

Vlad brushed aside peace moves declaring: “Not long ago I said we’d grind them [Ukraine] down — now it looks like we’ll finish them off.”

Putin also called for Volodymyr Zelensky to be ousted by generals and replaced by an internationally-supervised provisional government to hold elections.

The tyrant's threats come as his forces bombed a liquid gas facility in the latest violation of pledges to halt such strikes.

Vlad's forces also bombed a hospital in what Kyiv labelled as a "war crime".

More: https://www.the-sun.com/news/13853765/trump-ukraine-russia-peace-talks-saudi-arabia-riyadh/
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« Reply #141 on: March 28, 2025, 12:43:14 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on March 28, 2025, 12:41:47 pm
END GAME Putin declares he can ‘finish off’ Ukraine in brazen defiance of Trump – as he boards nuke sub and unleashes new strikes
The SUN by Georgie English Sayan Bose  Updated: 11:36 ET, Mar 28 2025

A MENACING Vladimir Putin has defied Donald Trump and declared he can "finish off" Ukraine despite an impending ceasefire.

The brutal tyrant has also unleashed a wave of fresh strikes on civilian targets and retaken a border village in Kursk.

Putin made the threat while visiting a nuclear submarine base in Russia's frozen north - just a week after Sir Keir Starmer had a similar visit.

He launched a new nuclear submarine named the Perm - the first of its kind to be equipped with hypersonic Zircon missiles as a standard feature.

Vlad brushed aside peace moves declaring: “Not long ago I said we’d grind them [Ukraine] down — now it looks like we’ll finish them off.”

Putin also called for Volodymyr Zelensky to be ousted by generals and replaced by an internationally-supervised provisional government to hold elections.

The tyrant's threats come as his forces bombed a liquid gas facility in the latest violation of pledges to halt such strikes.

Vlad's forces also bombed a hospital in what Kyiv labelled as a "war crime".

More: https://www.the-sun.com/news/13853765/trump-ukraine-russia-peace-talks-saudi-arabia-riyadh/

This is Trump's favorite person in Europe.  How f'ing disgusting.
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« Reply #142 on: March 28, 2025, 12:45:19 pm »
North Korea is always looking for more slave laborers or more cannon fodder for Putin.

History is not a single thread - it is many threads woven together.  Every historical event marks a confluence and intersection of several of those threads.  Many things can be true or false at the same time.

Was 1776 about American indepenence?  To the New England mercantile class it was.  To the tabacco farmers of the Middle-Atlantic states, it may have been.  For France, it was revenge against Britian for France's losses in French and Indian War of 1763.  America was a useful pawn in the ongoing conflict and competition between France and Britain.  The cost of France's support to the Americans bankrupted the French Treasury, creating circumstances that conglomerated to form the start of the French Revolution.  The dominoes of history keep falling.

America protects its markets.  America defends Western Civilization because its good for business.  American imperialism is not about conquest; it's about commerce.
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« Reply #143 on: March 28, 2025, 12:47:52 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on March 28, 2025, 12:43:14 pm
This is Trump's favorite person in Europe.  How f'ing disgusting.

Agreed.
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« Reply #144 on: March 28, 2025, 12:48:52 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2025, 12:46:59 pm
Pro-tip:  just answer the question:  Why are you so blindly willing to attack American blood and treasure for the Europeans?

:facepalm2:

Look in the mirror.  By refusing to beat back the Russian tyrant in Ukraine now, you are guaranteeing that American blood and treasure will be spilled when Russia attacks an actual NATO member.

So arrogant, and so clueless.
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« Reply #145 on: March 28, 2025, 12:49:24 pm »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on March 28, 2025, 12:45:19 pm
America protects its markets.  America defends Western Civilization because its good for business.

Why is Europe still defining Western Civilization? 


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« Reply #146 on: March 28, 2025, 01:04:39 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on March 28, 2025, 12:48:52 pm
:facepalm2:

Look in the mirror.  By refusing to beat back the Russian tyrant in Ukraine now, you are guaranteeing that American blood

So arrogant, and so clueless.

You're unable to see today's world as it actually exists.  It isn't helpful, but I hope this at least brings you comfort.




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Re: Ukraine 6
« Reply #147 on: March 28, 2025, 01:05:11 pm »
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« Reply #148 on: March 28, 2025, 01:19:19 pm »
@MeganC  and @Right_in_Virginia

Please...put ea other on ignore...and stop the back and forth no one is interested in reading them..
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« Reply #149 on: March 28, 2025, 02:10:57 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on March 28, 2025, 12:41:47 pm
END GAME Putin declares he can ‘finish off’ Ukraine in brazen defiance of Trump – as he boards nuke sub and unleashes new strikes
The SUN by Georgie English Sayan Bose  Updated: 11:36 ET, Mar 28 2025

A MENACING Vladimir Putin has defied Donald Trump and declared he can "finish off" Ukraine despite an impending ceasefire.

The brutal tyrant has also unleashed a wave of fresh strikes on civilian targets and retaken a border village in Kursk.

Putin made the threat while visiting a nuclear submarine base in Russia's frozen north - just a week after Sir Keir Starmer had a similar visit.

He launched a new nuclear submarine named the Perm - the first of its kind to be equipped with hypersonic Zircon missiles as a standard feature.

Vlad brushed aside peace moves declaring: “Not long ago I said we’d grind them [Ukraine] down — now it looks like we’ll finish them off.”

Putin also called for Volodymyr Zelensky to be ousted by generals and replaced by an internationally-supervised provisional government to hold elections.

The tyrant's threats come as his forces bombed a liquid gas facility in the latest violation of pledges to halt such strikes.

Vlad's forces also bombed a hospital in what Kyiv labelled as a "war crime".

More: https://www.the-sun.com/news/13853765/trump-ukraine-russia-peace-talks-saudi-arabia-riyadh/


I thought that Mr Art of the Deal was supposed to end the war.
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