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Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« on: February 28, 2025, 12:59:28 pm »
Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump

Axios
by Marc Caputo
Feb 21 2025

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky angered Donald Trump so much during the peace talks with Russia that Trump was on the verge of withdrawing American military support from Ukraine, three U.S. officials familiar with the discussions tell Axios.

Why it matters: The conflict between Trump and Zelensky escalated into a war of words between the two that scared European allies who are worried about emboldening Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and rewarding his brutal expansionism.
  • "President Trump is obviously very frustrated right now with President Zelensky," National Security Advisor Mike Waltz said Thursday at the White House press briefing.
The big picture: Trump and Zelensky have had an awkward relationship ever since Trump was impeached in 2019 for trying to leverage U.S. military aid to the war-torn country in return for Zelensky having Joe Biden's son investigated over his sinecure with a Ukrainian gas company.
  • Today, Trump is finding it more difficult than expected to make good on his pledge to quickly implement a deal to end the Russia-Ukraine war.

Zoom in: Six administration officials tell Axios that during the past nine days there were five incidents that angered Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Waltz. Taken together, one administration official said, Zelensky "showed how not to do the 'Art of the Deal' " when it came to courting Trump's support:
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https://www.axios.com/2025/02/21/zelensky-trump-five-moves-ukraine-russia
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2025, 02:40:21 pm »
The meeting started off badly when dress decorum was dissed by Z.  Trump likes respect in the Oval Office, and no suit just does not cut it.

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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2025, 02:43:24 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on February 28, 2025, 02:40:21 pm
The meeting started off badly when dress decorum was dissed by Z.  Trump likes respect in the Oval Office, and no suit just does not cut it.

95% agree.  Except Musk never wears a suit.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2025, 02:44:43 pm »
Trump is dead wrong here. He and Hedgpeth went into their 'negotiations' being hostile to Ukraine and demanding that Ukraine capitulate to Russia and with zero security assurances for Ukraine.

Would the United States accept such a deal?

Further the lesson every country in the world gets from this is to never give up their nuclear weapons based on bullshit promises from the US or Russia.

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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2025, 02:48:49 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 02:44:43 pm
Trump is dead wrong here. He and Hedgpeth went into their 'negotiations' being hostile to Ukraine and demanding that Ukraine capitulate to Russia and with zero security assurances for Ukraine.

Would the United States accept such a deal?

Come on, young lady!  *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2025, 02:55:34 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 02:44:43 pm
Trump is dead wrong here. He and Hedgpeth went into their 'negotiations' being hostile to Ukraine and demanding that Ukraine capitulate to Russia and with zero security assurances for Ukraine.

Would the United States accept such a deal?

Further the lesson every country in the world gets from this is to never give up their nuclear weapons based on bullshit promises from the US or Russia.

Bullshit.  Even Lindsey Graham saw behind' Z's chicken shit tactic, and how it backfired.  Wake up....
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm »
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2025, 03:05:34 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.


Uke nukes?
Now you are talking like an insane person
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2025, 03:06:06 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.

You’re kidding, right?
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2025, 03:09:23 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.

First of all Trump was absolutely correct in the way that he handled Z.  Z has become obnoxious and disrespectful.  This is the 2nd time that he has lied to Secy of State Rubio as well.

As for nukes .... I don't trust Z and if he doesn't have them by now ... he just paddled up the wrong river; as Russia nor China is going to sit idly by now.  Z just put another huge target on his country and possibly just started WWIII.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2025, 03:16:00 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.

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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2025, 03:19:15 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 28, 2025, 02:55:34 pm
Bullshit.  Even Lindsey Graham saw behind' Z's chicken shit tactic, and how it backfired.  Wake up....

I was pleasantly surprised by Graham's response (an interview on Fox). 
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2025, 03:44:36 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.

Let it go.  It was Joe Biden’s responsibility to stop the invasion before it happened.  He chose to be a belligerent Irishman, so the Ukraine fought a bloody war and lost.  Now Trump needs to help negotiate a peace, to the extent Zelensky is interested in doing so. 
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2025, 03:58:54 pm »
Quote from: MeganC on February 28, 2025, 03:03:44 pm
Ukraine needs nuclear weapons. No way around it. I hope they have the sense and wherewithal to do so.

Man you must be a suicide blonde...dyed by the bottle. 
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2025, 05:33:00 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 28, 2025, 03:05:34 pm

Uke nukes?
Now you are talking like an insane person

Why? Ukraine used to be a nuclear power. If they'd had nukes in 2014 instead of worthless security assurances from the US & Russia then there never would have been a war.

If they want security now then they need to handle it and the best way to assure their future sovereignty against a nuclear armed invader is to build their own nuclear weapons.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2025, 06:51:34 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 28, 2025, 02:43:24 pm
95% agree.  Except Musk never wears a suit.
Not really true as I have seen him in suits at the WH, but I think he mostly does not.

I will say though Musk is not a visiting foreign dignitary begging for help from the USA.
That calls for respect and humility
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2025, 06:58:47 pm »
Trump is a f_cking Russia worshipper.  What a f_cking disappointment.  One would think that even a person of average intelligence could tell the difference between a man leading his country in a fight for its life and its freedom and a crackpot dictator who thinks he can roll over his neighbors, slaughter their civilians, and get the West’s blessing.

Apparently where it counts, Trump is of less than average intelligence.

What a f_cking disappointment. 
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2025, 08:09:29 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on February 28, 2025, 06:58:47 pm
Trump is a f_cking Russia worshipper.  What a f_cking disappointment.  One would think that even a person of average intelligence could tell the difference between a man leading his country in a fight for its life and its freedom and a crackpot dictator who thinks he can roll over his neighbors, slaughter their civilians, and get the West’s blessing.

Apparently where it counts, Trump is of less than average intelligence.

What a f_cking disappointment.

Man you are one retarded sumbitch.  Get some help.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2025, 08:30:52 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 28, 2025, 08:09:29 pm
Man you are one retarded sumbitch.  Get some help.

...has shown nothing but hatred for Donald Trump in here
since his escalator ride in the Summer of 2015 to announce his candidacy.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2025, 08:54:21 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on February 28, 2025, 02:40:21 pm
The meeting started off badly when dress decorum was dissed by Z.  Trump likes respect in the Oval Office, and no suit just does not cut it.

Suddenly everyone in this forum is a fashion critic.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2025, 09:22:10 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on February 28, 2025, 06:58:47 pm
Trump is a f_cking Russia worshipper.  What a f_cking disappointment.  One would think that even a person of average intelligence could tell the difference between a man leading his country in a fight for its life and its freedom and a crackpot dictator who thinks he can roll over his neighbors, slaughter their civilians, and get the West’s blessing.

Apparently where it counts, Trump is of less than average intelligence.

What a f_cking disappointment.

Wow...

You're the sperm that won?
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2025, 09:55:28 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on February 28, 2025, 08:09:29 pm
Man you are one retarded sumbitch.  Get some help.

My guess is TDS and perhaps stressed out in his life. Maybe CBD gummies would help. :shrug:

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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2025, 11:50:25 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on February 28, 2025, 06:51:34 pm
Not really true as I have seen him in suits at the WH, but I think he mostly does not.

I will say though Musk is not a visiting foreign dignitary begging for help from the USA.
That calls for respect and humility

Was just messing with you.  When someone of Musk's talent, impact, and basic generous donation of his time....   I'd say he gets a pass and can wear what he damn well pleases.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2025, 11:54:34 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on February 28, 2025, 06:58:47 pm
Trump is a f_cking Russia worshipper.  What a f_cking disappointment.  One would think that even a person of average intelligence could tell the difference between a man leading his country in a fight for its life and its freedom and a crackpot dictator who thinks he can roll over his neighbors, slaughter their civilians, and get the West’s blessing.

Apparently where it counts, Trump is of less than average intelligence.

What a f_cking disappointment.

You are just pissed that I have been right all along about Zellgrifter, and he finally is being totally outed as the POS bait and switch artist that he really is.   I also hope you realize his little stunt today likely is going to cause many many more thousands of Uke deaths. Ukes that I have a lot of respect and admiration for their courage.

Their blood is squarely on his hands.
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Re: Zelensky's five moves that set off Trump
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2025, 11:59:35 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 28, 2025, 11:54:34 pm
I also hope you realize his little stunt today likely is going to cause many many more thousands of Uke deaths.

(snip)

Their blood is squarely on his hands.

So Putin and the Russians have nothing to do with that at all?
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