Wall Street Journal Slams Donald Trump’s ‘Sellout’ Of Ukraine With A Scathing Reality Check

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

I think it's also time to reevaluate the terms of our alliance with Europe altogether.  The continent that brought the world socialism, marxism, communism, and unending wars is now the leading political force for globalism --- beginning with global censorship and ending with control of all financial, employment, environmental, and health care policy.

[Free Vulcan]

If oil drops down to $40/bbl, I am guessing that Putin won't even be able to get his troops home.   And we are scared that he is a threat?

I certainly don't see it, we blunted their advance with a proxy war where most of the money went down the rat hole.

When I look at Russia, then Ukraine, then Europe itself, I ask myself who's the biggest most corrupt set of scumbags here?

It's hard to distinguish. Let's follow the Founders warning of entanglement and GTHO of there.

[catfish1957]

I certainly don't see it, we blunted their advance with a proxy war where most of the money went down the rat hole.

When I look at Russia, then Ukraine, then Europe itself, I ask myself who's the biggest most corrupt set of scumbags here?

It's hard to distinguish. Let's follow the Founders warning of entanglement and GTHO of there.

And Macron?  I'd trust him at the same level as Putin.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Europe wont handle its own problems because it is a collection of rump Empires plotting and scheming against and with each other in alliances of convenience to maintain a balance of power.

Did Europe do anything in Bosnia?  Nope.
Did Europe do anything in Kosovo?  Nope.

Western European nations were happy to stand by and watch Balkan factions fight amongst themselves ... even though it was events in the Balkans in the 1910s that set WWI and WWII into motion.

Western European nations are perfectly willing to tolerate Continental strife in Europe as long as it doesn't directly impact them or does not present an opportunity to expand their spheres of influence.

[cato potatoe]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

They would have dropped it long ago, were it not for the American war industry.  Somehow every cockfight in Sumatra became a matter of national security, and the rest of us just weren’t smart enough to understand. 

[Free Vulcan]

I think it's also time to reevaluate the terms of our alliance with Europe altogether.  The continent that brought the world socialism, marxism, communism, and unending wars is now the leading political force for globalism --- beginning with global censorship and ending with control of all financial, employment, environmental, and health care policy.

That's where I'm at. Ukraine is as or more corrupt the Russia, and the rest of Europe seems to be falling down the globalist/socialist despotic rabbit hole of dictatorship, not to mention deconstructing itself with importation of third world jihadists.

What exactly are we saving here? Europe combined is strong enough to take care of Russia. Let it.

[catfish1957]

That's where I'm at. Ukraine is as or more corrupt the Russia, and the rest of Europe seems to be falling down the globalist/socialist despotic rabbit hole of dictatorship, not to mention deconstructing itself with importation of third world jihadists.

What exactly are we saving here? Europe combined is strong enough to take care of Russia. Let it.

Seems this shit started with the Marshal plan and hasn't stopped.  It's high time that the other side of the Atlantic pull itself up by the boot straps and stop relying on $USD for what seems more for corruption than the promotion of democracy.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That was the same attitude in the early 1940s too.

If America hadn't gotten involved then, all of Europe would be German now.

Similarly, doing nothing now - when Russia has clearly shown its malicious and warlike intentions - would give Europe to Russia.

Is that really in America's interests??

It's in Western Europe's financial and military interest to keep WWII alive --- it's how they remain a quasi protectorate of the US.  Nowhere is it written we must go along with Europe's manipulation.

Japan let WWII end and reentered the world to their financial and security benefit.  Europe should try it.

[Free Vulcan]

Seems this shit started with the Marshal plan and hasn't stopped.  It's high time that the other side of the Atlantic pull itself up by the boot straps and stop relying on $USD for what seems more for corruption than the promotion of democracy.

Yes, because they have used our heavy military lifting to shunt the money to all the socialist/globalist craziness. Let them buck up and provide their own defense. They got the money, they're just going to have to tighten the belt.

[catfish1957]

Yes, because they have used our heavy military lifting to shunt the money to all the socialist/globalist craziness. Let them buck up and provide their own defense. They got the money, they're just going to have to tighten the belt.

One thing I hope that gets extracted out of this process, is that we understand that there really needs to be a redeployment of military resources towards the Pacific.  That is where our biggest threat resides.

[Canuck Conservative]

But if Putin rejects,  then you'll see the other side.

What's to reject?

So far Team trump is repeating every one of Russia's talking-points.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Would Denmark be a Butter Cookie Socialist utopia if Stalin had steamrolled into Copenhagen?

Would Brussels be a E.U. DisneyLand if the Americans hadn't defeated the Germans twice?

Woodrow Wilson intervened in Europe to protect the solvency of US loans to France and Britain.

The US really needs to reduce its footprint and exposure in the Middle East.  We don't need their oil.  We don't need their money. 

Why are America tax dollars protecting India's, Asia's, and Europe's oil supplies?

America could still maintain a presence from afar and intervene to maintain Freedom of Naviagtion by the US Navy 'acquring' the islands of Socotra from Yemen.

[MeganC]

That's a joke right?  See my last post about the economic condition of Russia.

Now if you want to talk about the Chicoms.....   Now that is a relevant discussion.

I would recommend you go look up Russian Media Monitor on You Tube so you can see and hear officially approved commentary on Russian state television.

It's outrageous, it's preposterous, and these people are dead serious. They want to see a new Soviet Empire dominating the entire world.

It would be easy to dismiss these people as comic book villains absent the fact of their several ongoing wars of conquest and daily threats of nuclear attacks against anyone opposing them.

In any case go watch them for yourself. A recent video shows a panel of Russians calling Trump a fool for negotiating with them and I agree.

[DefiantMassRINO]

This is the time when intelligence services need to create AI deep fakes of Putin making fun of Trump's small hands and Trump's golf game.

[catfish1957]

I would recommend you go look up Russian Media Monitor on You Tube so you can see and hear officially approved commentary on Russian state television.

It's outrageous, it's preposterous, and these people are dead serious. They want to see a new Soviet Empire dominating the entire world.

It would be easy to dismiss these people as comic book villains absent the fact of their several ongoing wars of conquest and daily threats of nuclear attacks against anyone opposing them.

In any case go watch them for yourself. A recent video shows a panel of Russians calling Trump a fool for negotiating with them and I agree.

Yeah, and I get my news from MSNBC too. /s  These folk's currency is worth one US cent. So I put them in the same category as Baghdad Bob.