Wall Street Journal Slams Donald Trump’s ‘Sellout’ Of Ukraine With A Scathing Reality Check

[rangerrebew]

Wall Street Journal Slams Donald Trump’s ‘Sellout’ Of Ukraine With A Scathing Reality Check
Story by Lee Moran • 7h

The conservative Wall Street Journal continued taking swipes at Donald Trump this week with two editorials — published in as many days — that called out the U.S. president’s purported bid to end Russia’s war on Ukraine.

On Tuesday, the newspaper’s editorial board called out what it described as “the looming rehabilitation” of Russian President Vladimir Putin, facilitated by Trump, as negotiations to end the conflict — which Putin began with the invasion of Ukraine in 2022 — began between U.S. and Russian officials in Saudi Arabia. Ukrainian officials were notably not invited to participate in the meeting to decide their fate.
 
The Journal reminded readers of just some of the horrors of Putin’s brutal campaign in Ukraine — such as the killing or maiming of hundreds of thousands of people, the targeting of civilian’s homes and the kidnapping of Ukrainian-born children. It contrasted all that, and more, with Trump’s talk about inviting Putin to America.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wall-street-journal-slams-donald-trump-s-sellout-of-ukraine-with-a-scathing-reality-check/ar-AA1zqqdc?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[rangerrebew]

How would those two leftist rags, HuffPo and WSJ have any earthly idea what is going on with Trump much less care unless they can bash Trump.  How do they know Trump and Zelensky aren't in secret contact to soften Putin.  They don't.

[Canuck Conservative]

How do they know Trump and Zielinski aren't in secret contact to soften Putin.  They don't.

We don't know, but what he said so far has been disturbing - like blaming Ukraine for starting the war.

Does Donald Trump also blame Poland for starting WWII?

[catfish1957]

How would those two leftist rags, HuffPo and WSJ have any earthly idea what is going on with Trump much less care unless they can bash Trump.  How do they know Trump and Zielinski aren't in secret contact to soften Putin.  They don't.

WSJ is not a leftist rag, but there are elements of Bush-Cheney faction still polluting the place.  Also an element there that realizes that producing and selling arms is still a substantial source of capitalistic pride.

[rangerrebew]

We don't know, but what he said so far has been disturbing - like blaming Ukraine for starting the war.

Does Donald Trump also blame Poland for starting WWII?

Don't forget, the person who did actually start WWII, one Adolf Hitler, was a pretty good propagandist and said in Mein Kampf that if you are going to tell a lie, make it so big no one will doubt it.  I'm not saying the scam is on, only that it could be.

[Free Vulcan]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

[catfish1957]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

Been my position too since Day 1.   

[Timber Rattler]

The WSJ is 100% correct!

Russia did THIS:


and THIS:



And THIS:



And THIS:



And THIS:



And THIS:



But yet King Trump wants to cozy back up with Tsar Vladimir I and make a good deal with him?

 

[Wingnut]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

Yup. You got to know when to hold em and know when to fold em.  Know when to walk away
And know when to run.

It's time to run.

[dfwgator]

Yup. You got to know when to hold em and know when to fold em.  Know when to walk away
And know when to run.

It's time to run.

It was Europe that rejected NATO membership for Ukraine back in 2006, when it actually might have done some good.

[Canuck Conservative]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

That was the same attitude in the early 1940s too.

If America hadn't gotten involved then, all of Europe would be German now.

Similarly, doing nothing now - when Russia has clearly shown its malicious and warlike intentions - would give Europe to Russia.

Is that really in America's interests??

[catfish1957]

The WSJ is 100% correct!

Russia did THIS:
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No one here is for Putin. He is a despot who deserves to be hung. 

But, the EU has not held it's held up moral and financial obligation on this matter. I resent  my tax dollars the past 4 years being put in Zellinsky's grubby hands.  That same money  could have been better spent closing the border.  And let the likes of the wealthy Germans, Brits, and French to front the bill. (EU)

[Timber Rattler]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

Until a Russian invasion force lands in Alaska sometime in the future?

Putin Ally Calls for Alaska's Return to Russia

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-solovyov-calls-alaskas-return-russia-2006979

'Alaska is ours': Local Russian advertisement sparks outrage on social media

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/07/12/alaska-is-ours-local-russian-advertisement-sparks-outrage-on-social-media

[Timber Rattler]

No one here is for Putin.

You sure about that?  I two birds who are.

[catfish1957]

That was the same attitude in the early 1940s too.

If America hadn't gotten involved then, all of Europe would be German now.

Similarly, doing nothing now - when Russia has clearly shown its malicious and warlike intentions - would give Europe to Russia.

Is that really in America's interests??

????

You realize that Russia is like now No. 11 in the world in GDP, and dropping like a rock?  Do you also realize that the Rouble is at an all time low, with a Rouble worth about an American penny?  The are about a $20-$30/bbl of oil potential drop to totally collapse their economy

I quit being scared of the boogey man when I was about 5.  I'd hope good conservatives would do the same.

[catfish1957]

Until a Russian invasion force lands in Alaska sometime in the future?

Putin Ally Calls for Alaska's Return to Russia

That's a joke right?  See my last post about the economic condition of Russia.

Now if you want to talk about the Chicoms.....   Now that is a relevant discussion.

[rangerrebew]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14417039/Why-does-Trump-hate-Ukraines-president-refusing-help-investigate-Bidens-corruption-nations-role-Donalds-impeachment-Zelensky-went-hero-zero.html

[Timber Rattler]

I quit being scared of the boogey man when I was about 5.  I'd hope good conservatives would do the same.

You sure are comfortable in your hubris and complacency.  Kinda like the U.S. in the 1930s.

[Free Vulcan]

Until a Russian invasion force lands in Alaska sometime in the future?

If that's what you want to run with, have at it, but it's a little too thin for me.

I can't see Moscow handling a two front war, one of which is thousands of miles away against the strongest military in the world and on their own turf.

[catfish1957]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14417039/Why-does-Trump-hate-Ukraines-president-refusing-help-investigate-Bidens-corruption-nations-role-Donalds-impeachment-Zelensky-went-hero-zero.html

Hero to zero?  In my eyes Zellinsky was a sleazy POS since day 1.   The Ukes need to elect a new leader to give them some cred for shedding the grifter moniker.

Oops...my bad...  elections?  Z took care of that.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Trump may be trying to get more concessions from the Europeans and the Ukrainians to contribute more and the US contribute less.

[catfish1957]

If that's what you want to run with, have at it, but it's a little too thin for me.

I can't see Moscow handling a two front war, one of which is thousands of miles away against the strongest military in the world and on their own turf.

If oil drops down to $40/bbl, I am guessing that Putin won't even be able to get his troops home.   And we are scared that he is a threat?

[libertybele]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

Amen!

[catfish1957]

Trump may be trying to get more concessions from the Europeans and the Ukrainians to contribute more and the US contribute less.

If Putin doesn't cooperate, and his economy collapses.  He'll lose 100K to 200K of the remaining 700K troops there to starvation, and to the locals taking retribution. Russians love chess, and I bet Vlad knows that mate is coming if he doesn't budge.  I am betting he blinks.

[dfwgator]

Trump may be trying to get more concessions from the Europeans and the Ukrainians to contribute more and the US contribute less.

Trump can be your best friend or your worst enemy.  Right now is the "best friend" stage for Putin.  But if Putin rejects,  then you'll see the other side.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

I think it's also time to reevaluate the terms of our alliance with Europe altogether.  The continent that brought the world socialism, marxism, communism, and unending wars is now the leading political force for globalism --- beginning with global censorship and ending with control of all financial, employment, environmental, and health care policy.

[Free Vulcan]

If oil drops down to $40/bbl, I am guessing that Putin won't even be able to get his troops home.   And we are scared that he is a threat?

I certainly don't see it, we blunted their advance with a proxy war where most of the money went down the rat hole.

When I look at Russia, then Ukraine, then Europe itself, I ask myself who's the biggest most corrupt set of scumbags here?

It's hard to distinguish. Let's follow the Founders warning of entanglement and GTHO of there.

[catfish1957]

I certainly don't see it, we blunted their advance with a proxy war where most of the money went down the rat hole.

When I look at Russia, then Ukraine, then Europe itself, I ask myself who's the biggest most corrupt set of scumbags here?

It's hard to distinguish. Let's follow the Founders warning of entanglement and GTHO of there.

And Macron?  I'd trust him at the same level as Putin.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Europe wont handle its own problems because it is a collection of rump Empires plotting and scheming against and with each other in alliances of convenience to maintain a balance of power.

Did Europe do anything in Bosnia?  Nope.
Did Europe do anything in Kosovo?  Nope.

Western European nations were happy to stand by and watch Balkan factions fight amongst themselves ... even though it was events in the Balkans in the 1910s that set WWI and WWII into motion.

Western European nations are perfectly willing to tolerate Continental strife in Europe as long as it doesn't directly impact them or does not present an opportunity to expand their spheres of influence.

[cato potatoe]

I'm still of the position that we should wash our hands of all of it, and let Europe handle the problem.

They would have dropped it long ago, were it not for the American war industry.  Somehow every cockfight in Sumatra became a matter of national security, and the rest of us just weren’t smart enough to understand. 

[Free Vulcan]

I think it's also time to reevaluate the terms of our alliance with Europe altogether.  The continent that brought the world socialism, marxism, communism, and unending wars is now the leading political force for globalism --- beginning with global censorship and ending with control of all financial, employment, environmental, and health care policy.

That's where I'm at. Ukraine is as or more corrupt the Russia, and the rest of Europe seems to be falling down the globalist/socialist despotic rabbit hole of dictatorship, not to mention deconstructing itself with importation of third world jihadists.

What exactly are we saving here? Europe combined is strong enough to take care of Russia. Let it.

[catfish1957]

That's where I'm at. Ukraine is as or more corrupt the Russia, and the rest of Europe seems to be falling down the globalist/socialist despotic rabbit hole of dictatorship, not to mention deconstructing itself with importation of third world jihadists.

What exactly are we saving here? Europe combined is strong enough to take care of Russia. Let it.

Seems this shit started with the Marshal plan and hasn't stopped.  It's high time that the other side of the Atlantic pull itself up by the boot straps and stop relying on $USD for what seems more for corruption than the promotion of democracy.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That was the same attitude in the early 1940s too.

If America hadn't gotten involved then, all of Europe would be German now.

Similarly, doing nothing now - when Russia has clearly shown its malicious and warlike intentions - would give Europe to Russia.

Is that really in America's interests??

It's in Western Europe's financial and military interest to keep WWII alive --- it's how they remain a quasi protectorate of the US.  Nowhere is it written we must go along with Europe's manipulation.

Japan let WWII end and reentered the world to their financial and security benefit.  Europe should try it.

[Free Vulcan]

Seems this shit started with the Marshal plan and hasn't stopped.  It's high time that the other side of the Atlantic pull itself up by the boot straps and stop relying on $USD for what seems more for corruption than the promotion of democracy.

Yes, because they have used our heavy military lifting to shunt the money to all the socialist/globalist craziness. Let them buck up and provide their own defense. They got the money, they're just going to have to tighten the belt.

[catfish1957]

Yes, because they have used our heavy military lifting to shunt the money to all the socialist/globalist craziness. Let them buck up and provide their own defense. They got the money, they're just going to have to tighten the belt.

One thing I hope that gets extracted out of this process, is that we understand that there really needs to be a redeployment of military resources towards the Pacific.  That is where our biggest threat resides.

[Canuck Conservative]

But if Putin rejects,  then you'll see the other side.

What's to reject?

So far Team trump is repeating every one of Russia's talking-points.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Would Denmark be a Butter Cookie Socialist utopia if Stalin had steamrolled into Copenhagen?

Would Brussels be a E.U. DisneyLand if the Americans hadn't defeated the Germans twice?

Woodrow Wilson intervened in Europe to protect the solvency of US loans to France and Britain.

The US really needs to reduce its footprint and exposure in the Middle East.  We don't need their oil.  We don't need their money. 

Why are America tax dollars protecting India's, Asia's, and Europe's oil supplies?

America could still maintain a presence from afar and intervene to maintain Freedom of Naviagtion by the US Navy 'acquring' the islands of Socotra from Yemen.

[MeganC]

That's a joke right?  See my last post about the economic condition of Russia.

Now if you want to talk about the Chicoms.....   Now that is a relevant discussion.

I would recommend you go look up Russian Media Monitor on You Tube so you can see and hear officially approved commentary on Russian state television.

It's outrageous, it's preposterous, and these people are dead serious. They want to see a new Soviet Empire dominating the entire world.

It would be easy to dismiss these people as comic book villains absent the fact of their several ongoing wars of conquest and daily threats of nuclear attacks against anyone opposing them.

In any case go watch them for yourself. A recent video shows a panel of Russians calling Trump a fool for negotiating with them and I agree.

[DefiantMassRINO]

This is the time when intelligence services need to create AI deep fakes of Putin making fun of Trump's small hands and Trump's golf game.

[catfish1957]

I would recommend you go look up Russian Media Monitor on You Tube so you can see and hear officially approved commentary on Russian state television.

It's outrageous, it's preposterous, and these people are dead serious. They want to see a new Soviet Empire dominating the entire world.

It would be easy to dismiss these people as comic book villains absent the fact of their several ongoing wars of conquest and daily threats of nuclear attacks against anyone opposing them.

In any case go watch them for yourself. A recent video shows a panel of Russians calling Trump a fool for negotiating with them and I agree.

Yeah, and I get my news from MSNBC too. /s  These folk's currency is worth one US cent. So I put them in the same category as Baghdad Bob.