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I just had a lengthy and highly productive phone call with President Vladimir Putin of Russia. We discussed Ukraine, the Middle East, Energy, Artificial Intelligence, the power of the Dollar, and various other subjects. We both reflected on the Great History of our Nations, and the fact that we fought so successfully together in World War II, remembering, that Russia lost tens of millions of people, and we, likewise, lost so many! We each talked about the strengths of our respective Nations, and the great benefit that we will someday have in working together. But first, as we both agreed, we want to stop the millions of deaths taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine. President Putin even used my very strong Campaign motto of, “COMMON SENSE.” We both believe very strongly in it. We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations. We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now. I have asked Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Director of the CIA John Ratcliffe, National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, and Ambassador and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, to lead the negotiations which, I feel strongly, will be successful. Millions of people have died in a War that would not have happened if I were President, but it did happen, so it must end. No more lives should be lost! I want to thank President Putin for his time and effort with respect to this call, and for the release, yesterday, of Marc Fogel, a wonderful man that I personally greeted last night at the White House. I believe this effort will lead to a successful conclusion, hopefully soon!
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Trump says Russia agrees to 'immediately' begin negotiations to end war in Ukraine
'We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations,' Trump says
By Emma Colton Fox News
Published February 12, 2025 12:14pm EST

President Donald Trump said he had a "lengthy" call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, which included Putin agreeing to "immediately" begin negotiations over the war in Ukraine.

"We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations," Trump posted to Truth Social on Wednesday. "We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now. I have asked Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Director of the CIA John Ratcliffe, National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, and Ambassador and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, to lead the negotiations which, I feel strongly, will be successful."

Russia and Ukraine have been at war since February 2022, when Russia first invaded its neighboring nation.

"We both reflected on the Great History of our Nations, and the fact that we fought so successfully together in World War II, remembering, that Russia lost tens of millions of people, and we, likewise, lost so many!" Trump added in his Truth Social post of his call with Putin.

"We each talked about the strengths of our respective Nations, and the great benefit that we will someday have in working together. But first, as we both agreed, we want to stop the millions of deaths taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine. President Putin even used my very strong Campaign motto of, "COMMON SENSE."

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Trump is about to find out how bad faith of a negotiator Putin really is.
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To the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN this confirms Russian collusion going back to his 1st term and Trump is a Russian asset.
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To the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN this confirms Russian collusion going back to his 1st term and Trump is a Russian asset.

He just sound gullible to flattery to me.
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He just sound gullible to flattery to me.

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Trump is about to find out how bad faith of a negotiator Putin really is.

With hundreds of thousands of dead Russian soldiers, Putin's gotta be grateful for the chance to end this stupid war ---




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Putin flattered Trump, so Trump is singing his praises today.  Meanwhile Putin has no intention of negotiating in good faith.  He's a liar and a murderer.
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With hundreds of thousands of dead Russian soldiers, Putin's gotta be grateful for the chance to end this stupid war ---
Both countries' leaders should be glad for an opportunity to end the war, assuming they care one bit about their citizenry. We'll see.
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Both countries' leaders should be glad for an opportunity to end the war, assuming they care one bit about their citizenry. We'll see.

Zelensky cares about his people.  Putin doesn't.
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I think this is an exercise where President Trump will shine.  He knows how to bring folks to a table and arrive at mutual benefit decisions.  Putin is in a pitiful position at present.  Russia is on the verge of a 1991 collapse.  Trump knows this, will leverage this with Putin's team.  So what if Putin flatters Trump.  Trump has one mission, end the war, and end it in such a way that both sides save some face.

There is no way Russia will give up all the lands it currently occupies in Ukraine.  They will not give up any part of the Crimea.   Not going to happen.  And I suspect at most, Russia will withdraw from about half the land Russia seized on the eastern part of Ukraine.

If anyone can end this war, it will be Trump.  Neither Russia nor Ukraine will get everything they presently want.  Trump will force them to give on both sides, and in seeking peace, both countries can move forward in restoring their nations.  I see Ukraine giving up all Russian lands seized if Russia gives up about half of the lands seized by Russia.

Trump has already gotten Zelensky to share in the rich mineral fields of eastern Ukraine, currently held by Russia.  Trump will convince Zelensky that half of what you had and peace is a better proposition than continuing to wage war.    I am sure Trump has promised to help Ukraine rebuild the country and more importantly rebuild and strengthen the military to prevent future attacks by Russia.

Knowing Trump, I would bet he told his folks to make it happen within six months timeframe.  Look for a solution by August/September. 
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Ukraine may not end up in NATO, but they will receive direct training from US military forces, wis ill receive some of the finest US military equipment to strengthen their defensive capabilities, etc.  When all said and done, I would not be surprised if Ukraine ends up with one of the best fighting forces in Europe.

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Ukraine may not end up in NATO, but they will receive direct training from US military forces, wis ill receive some of the finest US military equipment to strengthen their defensive capabilities, etc.  When all said and done, I would not be surprised if Ukraine ends up with one of the best fighting forces in Europe.


From what I see, the Ukraine already has the best fighting force in Europe.

I am praying Trump doesn't throw them under the bus.
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From what I see, the Ukraine already has the best fighting force in Europe.

I am praying Trump doesn't throw them under the bus.
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Russia and Ukraine have been at war since February 2022, when Russia first invaded its neighboring nation.


Wrong. Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014 and the war has been going on ever since.
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Putin flattered Trump, so Trump is singing his praises today.  Meanwhile Putin has no intention of negotiating in good faith.  He's a liar and a murderer.

Well thanks for the translation.  So you are saying Putin is a fluffer for Trump. 
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Ukraine may not end up in NATO, but they will receive direct training from US military forces, wis ill receive some of the finest US military equipment to strengthen their defensive capabilities, etc.  When all said and done, I would not be surprised if Ukraine ends up with one of the best fighting forces in Europe.

A non-NATO Ukraine will absolutely require a nuclear arsenal for self defense. No way around that.
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Wrong. Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014 and the war has been going on ever since.

Fact!

Flashback to 2014:

"Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine"

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598



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Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.
"I was the one who pulled the trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out — like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, who uses that nom-de-guerre meaning "Shooter" to replace his last name Girkin, was quoted as saying.

"There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.

And remember the "Little Green Men"?

"Little green men" or "Russian invaders"?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26532154



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Igor Strelkov is also connected to the Russian troll farms.
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Russia can end this war immediately by getting all their troops the hell out of Ukraine.
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With hundreds of thousands of dead Russian soldiers, Putin's gotta be grateful for the chance to end this stupid war ---

Putin started this stupid war.
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Wrong. Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014 and the war has been going on ever since.
A 'soft' invasion, followed by an election the invasion was meant to ensure would vote to become Russian.

This is why border control is essential.

Russia has been taking what nibbles it could get off of whichever country it could chew on. It's the old cold war expansion plan resurrected and polished up.
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It doesn't matter who started it.   It maters who ended it.

Well, if you think that Putin's going to end it, despite his flowery talk to Trump, you're going to be in for a surprise.
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This morning the European Union and NATO are saying they will not honor negotiations that do not include Europe, NATO, and Ukraine.

And I agree with them. Because what we are seeing as it stands is a repeat of the Neville Chamberlain negotiations to give Czechoslovakia to Hitler.

Also, I voted for Trump.
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