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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2025, 03:24:13 pm »
The Dead Head Fed vote already sways 95% Democrat.  You're not losing any votes.  It's Dem campaign coffers that will be taking the hit.

You make a good point.  Look at the political demographic around Northern Virginia. 

So, there's a good chance this has an actual political plus side to GOP chances in '26 / '28.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2025, 03:24:28 pm »
Non governmental folks have lived and worked their entire work lives with the understanding that if they can't meet work expectations that they won't keep their job.  90% of all of us also have understood that our employment was dependent on the success of the organization (business) we worked for.

Lack of sympathy?  Yeah, but from my POV, seeing some of these dead heads get the pink slip will provide me an immeasurable amount of schadenfreude and joy.  I hate to be heartless, but after watching so many of these wave the "untouchable" flag at us....  it has created a level of anger   that can't be ignored.

And you can add to that every time there is a recession/economic downturn/pandemic/inflation, state and federal employees continue on totally unaffected. No layoffs, no pay cuts. And on top of that they lobby the politicians for more money at the very same time everyone else is having to make do with less money. My sympathy runs low for all that.

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« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2025, 03:36:09 pm »
I should check with my brother who works for the USDA in Memphis. He was planning on retiring sometime after his b-day last November.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2025, 03:45:55 pm »
And you can add to that every time there is a recession/economic downturn/pandemic/inflation, state and federal employees continue on totally unaffected. No layoffs, no pay cuts. And on top of that they lobby the politicians for more money at the very same time everyone else is having to make do with less money. My sympathy runs low for all that.

Agreed.  Also, whenever there is a government shutdown, they are told to stay home for a couple of weeks while Congress sorts it out.  And then when spending is restored, they get back pay for the two weeks they sat at home.

Seriously, there is no downside to being a government employee.  No tradeoffs.  They get higher pay.  They get pensions.  They get better insurance.  They get a payout for unused sick days.  They have no performance expectations.  They keep their jobs even when their employer is hemorrhaging $2 trillion in new debt every year.  And for the last four years, they haven't even had to show up for work to collect their paychecks.  As far as I'm concerned, every damn one of them needs to be laid off today with no severance, just like us regular folks who work for companies with balance sheets.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2025, 03:58:40 pm »
This country's greatest problem is the attacks to our country from within, not by politicians but by the bureaucrats who control the politicians. Little of what you describe here relate to eliminating the Deep State that is destroying us.

We have to take these people out to get anything done, period.

Good Lord, hasn't the Presidency of Biden brought that out into the open for the world to see?

With the will to do that, little else will be consequential as those actions of which you speak will not be undertaken but will be undercut by them.

If only patriotic people operate government, most of the actions you describe will be taken care of by concerned bureaucrats who place the country above their personal agenda.

You seem to equate politics with everything.  The greatest decisions are made by people doing the right thing and are unafraid of the political consequences.

We damn near lost our country until the 2024 election, and we need to clear house to mitigate being that close again.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2025, 04:03:17 pm »
I worked one project with Dept. of Enrrgy, and learned right there that I never wanted to work with government again, much less for them.  As an engineer, I instinctively like fixing problems.  Government is focused on creating them.  The two mindsets are in conflict.

You can say that again! Constant conflict! I defy anyone to show me the problem a government hack actually fixed.





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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2025, 04:13:29 pm »
Agreed.  Also, whenever there is a government shutdown, they are told to stay home for a couple of weeks while Congress sorts it out.  And then when spending is restored, they get back pay for the two weeks they sat at home.

Seriously, there is no downside to being a government employee.  No tradeoffs.  They get higher pay.  They get pensions.  They get better insurance.  They get a payout for unused sick days.  They have no performance expectations.  They keep their jobs even when their employer is hemorrhaging $2 trillion in new debt every year.  And for the last four years, they haven't even had to show up for work to collect their paychecks.  As far as I'm concerned, every damn one of them needs to be laid off today with no severance, just like us regular folks who work for companies with balance sheets.
And need to include the pay gap between private and federal employees.  You will not find the comparison easily, as most studies include all the local and state public employees with the federal employees.  Local public employees in most cases are severely underpaid compared to federal employees.

What I have seen is the average federal sector makes significantly more than the average private sector.  And the pension and medical benefits of federal workers is much much greater than the private sector, where in many cases no pension or medical benefit exists.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2025, 04:23:18 pm »
I worked one project with Dept. of Enrrgy, and learned right there that I never wanted to work with government again, much less for them.  As an engineer, I instinctively like fixing problems.  Government is focused on creating them. The two mindsets are in conflict.
Exactly what I encountered working with a team of government engineers in Commerce Dept.  No urgency to do anything but put in the time, which like clockwork was ONLY between 8 to 5.

The organization I worked for in the late 60s/early 70s was created by LBJ as a welfare handout to less-financially secure entities like poorer areas and Indian tribes.

The goal was to handout X$ only.  No goal to see if grants actually improved anything, and I cannot recall any group being finally crossed off the list that the money made their own wellbeing stable.

Now hear this:  This organization is now 60 years old and STILL EXISTS.

It is a perpetual motion machine to hand out money with no end in sight.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2025, 07:02:27 pm »
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BREAKING:  It is being reported that one of the main issues federal workers have with returning to the office is that it will INTERFERE with their SECOND JOB.
They have been ripping off America for 5 years.
Taxpayers pay them & instead of working for us they go to a 2nd job.
3:58 PM · Feb 1, 2025

Yep. Like I said.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2025, 07:18:47 pm »
One day at work, I got fed up and decided not to go in the next day.   No retirement, no gold watch, no 401K. 
I was straight commission, but put sizeable chunks of my earnings into a SEP/IRA as well as a Roth IRA and a family trust.
I really get tired of hearing teachers DEMAND higher pay when their retirement plans give them far more than social security would.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2025, 08:18:48 pm »
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BREAKING:  It is being reported that one of the main issues federal workers have with returning to the office is that it will INTERFERE with their SECOND JOB.
They have been ripping off America for 5 years.
Taxpayers pay them & instead of working for us they go to a 2nd job.
3:58 PM · Feb 1, 2025

Yep. Like I said.
Their second job will become their primary job
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2025, 03:12:06 am »
I like jafo, but I don't think he understands that what Trump might loose in the Dead Head Fed vote will be more than compensated by millions of Americans who a cheering him on that have dealt with the unbearable bureacracy of IRS, EPA, FDA, OSHA, etc. etc. etc. etc,

Governmental agencies have made millions of lives pure hell.  Time to gut this son of a bitch.
Where I especially agree, is that many of these agencies have pretty much fulfilled their original missions. Rivers no longer catch on fire, you can see across NYC, or another major city (no smog), and large numbers of sites have been identified, along with the hazards and materials in them, and measures taken to prevent new ones from being created.

 At this point, we have agencies desperate to increase their funding and size (size being the all-important determinant of how important an agency is, and of funding they ask for), sitting around, coming up with new things to regulate and new ways to regulate them.

How clean is clean?

When you declare CO2 a "pollutant" you have passed the mark, but regardless of any scientific reasoning, it opens an entire new realm to regulate and make relevance for your agency, just to give one example.
When was the last time an agency was closed down because their job was done?
That hasn't happened, because they have been given the power by Congress to promulgate regulations until they are making rules about cosmic rays (one thing they haven't gotten around to, yet).

That needs to be reined in. Just the differing regulations for industry, not imposed at the same time, and often in a series of modifications, have damaged our industry, as it tried to make a profit and keep up with moving targets that were sometimes changed before the modifications to meet the last standard were completed.

It costs money to keep up with an ever changing set of standards, a lot of money, because the regulations change like tax laws. Enough is enough. If the mission (as originally conceived) has been met, then all that remains is enforcement of regulations that can remain the same, only altered to take into account new findings as to what truly presents a problem, and to include new technology.
And that requires fewer people making fewer new rules, not more of both.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2025, 09:47:56 am »
Where I especially agree, is that many of these agencies have pretty much fulfilled their original missions. Rivers no longer catch on fire, you can see across NYC, or another major city (no smog), and large numbers of sites have been identified, along with the hazards and materials in them, and measures taken to prevent new ones from being created.

 At this point, we have agencies desperate to increase their funding and size (size being the all-important determinant of how important an agency is, and of funding they ask for), sitting around, coming up with new things to regulate and new ways to regulate them.

How clean is clean?

When you declare CO2 a "pollutant" you have passed the mark, but regardless of any scientific reasoning, it opens an entire new realm to regulate and make relevance for your agency, just to give one example.
When was the last time an agency was closed down because their job was done?
That hasn't happened, because they have been given the power by Congress to promulgate regulations until they are making rules about cosmic rays (one thing they haven't gotten around to, yet).

That needs to be reined in. Just the differing regulations for industry, not imposed at the same time, and often in a series of modifications, have damaged our industry, as it tried to make a profit and keep up with moving targets that were sometimes changed before the modifications to meet the last standard were completed.

It costs money to keep up with an ever changing set of standards, a lot of money, because the regulations change like tax laws. Enough is enough. If the mission (as originally conceived) has been met, then all that remains is enforcement of regulations that can remain the same, only altered to take into account new findings as to what truly presents a problem, and to include new technology.
And that requires fewer people making fewer new rules, not more of both.

You mean we really don't need 57 regional AND seasonal blends of gasoline that radically drive up the costs of producing them?  Be still my beating heart!
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2025, 12:50:13 pm »
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BREAKING:  It is being reported that one of the main issues federal workers have with returning to the office is that it will INTERFERE with their SECOND JOB.
They have been ripping off America for 5 years.
Taxpayers pay them & instead of working for us they go to a 2nd job.
3:58 PM · Feb 1, 2025

Yep. Like I said.

It sounds like Pres. Trump is aware of this as well. He made a comment when talking about the buyout offer that for those that do come back to work they will want certification that they were not working at any other job while working from home. I wasn't aware of this, but it is a violation of their employment agreement. I'm betting that's going to be the second wave of terminating govt. employees.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2025, 01:22:11 pm »
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If half of the dead headed fed slugs are gone.....   Tell me again in 100 word or less.....  how is this a bad thing?


Your statement on its face, is completely false.  You are assuming everyone working for the federal government is a slug, someone that produces little to no work.  That is completely false.

Not to brag, but I am a productivity expert.  Is the federal government overstaffed?  Yes  I believe I could go through and cut 40% from the workforce, and result in those that remain actually completing more work output than what is happening now.  But you sure as hell do not increase productivity by demoralizing and alienating your workforce, a workforce of 2.4 million voters.  DA!!!

There is smart, and there is stupid.  What Trump is doing is beyond idiotic.

Think hard about what I am saying, because if Trump continues down the same path he is on, get ready for Hakeem Jeffries as the 48th POTUS, about one month after Trump is impeached and this time removed from office.  And they will find a way to dump Vance too.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2025, 02:35:38 pm »

Your statement on its face, is completely false.  You are assuming everyone working for the federal government is a slug, someone that produces little to no work.  That is completely false.

Not to brag, but I am a productivity expert.  Is the federal government overstaffed?  Yes  I believe I could go through and cut 40% from the workforce, and result in those that remain actually completing more work output than what is happening now.  But you sure as hell do not increase productivity by demoralizing and alienating your workforce, a workforce of 2.4 million voters.  DA!!!

There is smart, and there is stupid.  What Trump is doing is beyond idiotic.

Think hard about what I am saying, because if Trump continues down the same path he is on, get ready for Hakeem Jeffries as the 48th POTUS, about one month after Trump is impeached and this time removed from office.  And they will find a way to dump Vance too.

Hair more than 100 words, but I am tired of stupidity.
I get it. This hits close to home, and your family income. Your spouse works hard at a job that does not necessarily involve showing up at an office.

The vast majority of these comments are aimed at people with Federal Jobs, working some side hustle while 'working from home', and others malingering while collecting that check and not even having to show up at the office.

Those comments are not aimed at competent personnel doing the job they were hired to do, even if that job requires them to be in different locations. NTSB folks, for instance don't get 'home' when on an investigation, and don't do their work from there. Some jobs require time in the field or in a lab.
But how many times did we hear that 'only essential personnel were to come in to work'? The question is why we have nonessential personnel on the payroll.

I devoutly wish that any layoff I have ever been through over my career had been preceded by an offer to get 8 months' pay.  In my industry the notice was usually on the order of "Clean out your truck and turn the keys in." , when I even had a company vehicle. The paycheck ended that day. That' how things are in the real world, outside of Government jobs. There are no protections, and often, no benefits.

So don't expect huge amounts of sympathy from a large part of the workforce that has been taxed to pay people who won't even show up for work.
Not everyone decrying dead weight on the Federal payroll is pissing on your personal Wheaties.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2025, 02:41:21 pm »
"Government efficiency" is an oxymoron.

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« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2025, 02:47:33 pm »
"Government efficiency" is an oxymoron.
If you want efficiency, hire a contractor, on bid, and keep them on spec.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2025, 03:10:56 pm »

Your statement on its face, is completely false.  You are assuming everyone working for the federal government is a slug, someone that produces little to no work.  That is completely false.

Not to brag, but I am a productivity expert.  Is the federal government overstaffed?  Yes  I believe I could go through and cut 40% from the workforce, and result in those that remain actually completing more work output than what is happening now.  But you sure as hell do not increase productivity by demoralizing and alienating your workforce, a workforce of 2.4 million voters.  DA!!!

Baloney....

I dealt with the EPA for 30 years.  I saw and fought Fedzilla.  Le't just say our perspectives are different.



There is smart, and there is stupid.  What Trump is doing is beyond idiotic.

Think hard about what I am saying, because if Trump continues down the same path he is on, get ready for Hakeem Jeffries as the 48th POTUS, about one month after Trump is impeached and this time removed from office.  And they will find a way to dump Vance too.

Hair more than 100 words, but I am tired of stupidity.

Productivity expert?  In my company I was tasked with supervision for a reorganization of one full subset of the company. Which is/was  for what was one of the biggest companies in the country.  And honestly, a bureaucrat  vs. someone in the private sector.  I'll let the peanut gallery decide that one.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2025, 03:17:05 pm »
If you want efficiency, hire a contractor, on bid, and keep them on spec.

Which the FAA was actively doing according to my now deceased longtime friend with more than 40 years service with that organization. 
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2025, 03:18:26 pm »
Stephen Miller reveals a 'large' number of federal workers have accepted Trump's buyout and will resign

    White House deputy chief of staff for policy Miller spoke to reporters Friday
   

By ROB CRILLY, CHIEF U.S. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM AT THE WHITE HOUSE

Published: 16:28 EST, 31 January 2025 | Updated: 16:33 EST, 31 January 2025

A senior Trump adviser said Friday that 'a large number' of federal workers were going to resign after accepting buyout offers.

The Trump administration announced Tuesday it was offering payouts to millions of federal employees who agree to leave their jobs next week—marking an extraordinary effort to shrink the government overnight.

White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller told reporters that he did not know the exact number of people who had said yes.

'But I will tell you that the initial briefings that I've received suggested a large number of federal workers have accepted the buyout offer,' he said.

'And I think the point here to really underscore is that federal workers who are not happy in their jobs, who don't want to show up at work, who do not want to be in the office, who are not passionate about what they're doing are often not the kind of federal worker you want responsible for having enormous authority over the lives of the American people.'

An email sent to millions of employees said they would be entitled to about eight months of salary, but they have to make up their mind by Feb. 6.

A recent estimates suggested that the federal government employed more than three million people, or almost two percent of the entire civilian workforce.

Even a small percentage accepting the deal could reshape the economy.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2025, 03:19:18 pm »
I was in the private sector.

I did consulting for corporations and did consulting in the governmental sector.  They contracted me to come in and do what Trump should be doing, determining exact requirements for the NECESSARY work, for much of what government does is make work/busy work.

I did consulting for Fortune 100 companies, and you demean someone you are clueless about.  One full subset of the company?  Please.  And you saved what in terms of dollars?  I can't wait.

Trump should engage a consulting firm with the mission to reduce agencies to a smaller number than present, organizing government in functional roles, eliminating the duplication.  Including the intelligence agencies, which are whales I am certain for wasted taxpayer dollars.

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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2025, 03:20:54 pm »
Stephen Miller reveals a 'large' number of federal workers have accepted Trump's buyout and will resign

    White House deputy chief of staff for policy Miller spoke to reporters Friday
   

By ROB CRILLY, CHIEF U.S. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM AT THE WHITE HOUSE

Published: 16:28 EST, 31 January 2025 | Updated: 16:33 EST, 31 January 2025

A senior Trump adviser said Friday that 'a large number' of federal workers were going to resign after accepting buyout offers.

The Trump administration announced Tuesday it was offering payouts to millions of federal employees who agree to leave their jobs next week—marking an extraordinary effort to shrink the government overnight.

White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller told reporters that he did not know the exact number of people who had said yes.

'But I will tell you that the initial briefings that I've received suggested a large number of federal workers have accepted the buyout offer,' he said.

'And I think the point here to really underscore is that federal workers who are not happy in their jobs, who don't want to show up at work, who do not want to be in the office, who are not passionate about what they're doing are often not the kind of federal worker you want responsible for having enormous authority over the lives of the American people.'

An email sent to millions of employees said they would be entitled to about eight months of salary, but they have to make up their mind by Feb. 6.

A recent estimates suggested that the federal government employed more than three million people, or almost two percent of the entire civilian workforce.

Even a small percentage accepting the deal could reshape the economy.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2025, 03:31:09 pm »
Trump should engage a consulting firm with the mission to reduce agencies to a smaller number than present, organizing government in functional roles, eliminating the duplication.  Including the intelligence agencies, which are whales I am certain for wasted taxpayer dollars.

That sounds a lot like DOGE....
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2025, 03:38:02 pm »

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Stephen Miller reveals a 'large' number of federal workers have accepted Trump's buyout and will resign

    White House deputy chief of staff for policy Miller spoke to reporters Friday
   

By ROB CRILLY, CHIEF U.S. POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM AT THE WHITE HOUSE

Published: 16:28 EST, 31 January 2025 | Updated: 16:33 EST, 31 January 2025

White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller told reporters that he did not know the exact number of people who had said yes.


Stephen Miller, deputy Chief of Staff does not know?  My *ss.  He knows exactly.  Miller is no dummy, he knows exactly, and if he is saying he does not know, the number is smaller than they anticipated.

The federal government has around 2.4 million folks working for it, excluding the US Postal Workers and the uniformed military.  If you assume most federal workers attempt to put 30 years in before they retire, that works out to be about 80,000 workers retiring on the average year, or about 53,000 roughly, in that eight month span where folks are being encouraged to retire with 8 months of additional time in service, without working.

If we hear what that magic number is, then and only then will I believe what Trump did with the idiot Fork in the Road email produced.  I think all he did was kick a sleeping snake.  I think the numbers are nominal, and all he did was motivate a few that were thinking about retiring to retire.  It will not be an appreciable number of folks retiring above what would have retired any how.

'And I think the point here to really underscore is that federal workers who are not happy in their jobs, who don't want to show up at work, who do not want to be in the office, who are not passionate about what they're doing are often not the kind of federal worker you want responsible for having enormous authority over the lives of the American people.'

To categorize the entire federal workforce this way is moronic.  Yes, there are disgruntled folks, in every workforce.  But they are a small number.  This denigration of the federal workforce, this HARASSMENT which the federal government has beaten up the corporations for and is now doing, will not produce favorable outcomes.