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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2025, 07:17:58 pm »

Yeah, well, that is one way to go.  But unlike Twitter, a for profit entity, and NOT a government organization with civil service rules, unions, etc, this approach will end the Republicans majority position come November, 2026.

I spent a lifetime reducing operations, going in, cutting waste, improving production, etc, and believe me, this will result in catastrophic outcomes in 2026.

And it is very likely that Trump/Musk get shut down in the courts, where all of this will be decided.  That will make the two of them look like the tools they are on this.

And yes, I believe the federal government should be reduced at a minimum of 40% across the board, and this drama queen approach of Trump's will have him taking it in the posterior.

I was involved in 3 company reorganizations and  restructuring back in the day.  I understand the process as well as anyone. And this at one of the largest companies in the country at the time. 

Bottom line is we are $36T in debt.  This is akin to dealing with a company in bankruptcy.  Bad results dictate highly drastic measures.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2025, 07:25:06 pm »
And working their side hustles.
Now they will have the opportunity for those secondary jobs to become their fulltime jobs.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2025, 08:17:35 pm »
Eight months severance pay?

I'm on my 46th year in the oil industry, and with the cataclysmic ups and downs in commodity prices, and in regulation changes affecting drilling activity, have had eleven different employers in various jobs in the patch in that time. It is eminently possible that you go from making six figures to zero, or the reverse, depending on the market. But severance pay? eight months warning? heck, even benefits were rare enough.

Waaah! I should have had it so good!
We had to file for our "severance" while we were looking for our next job (although most of mine found me).

That's because you know what your doing, show up, stay late, and constantly learn.

I suspect a great many of these govt. employees haven't worked in the private sector and don't understand the basics.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2025, 08:22:50 pm »
That's because you know what your doing, show up, stay late, and constantly learn.

I suspect a great many of these govt. employees haven't worked in the private sector and don't understand the basics.

I spent the first 25 years of my working life in the private sector followed by 20+ at a state university. I NEVER adjusted to the culture shock.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2025, 08:29:59 pm »
I spent the first 25 years of my working life in the private sector followed by 20+ at a state university. I NEVER adjusted to the culture shock.
Whereas I did the opposite, spending 4 years with the Dept of Commerce and learned enough to know not to accept further employment with the government so the next 42 years was in the private sector.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2025, 09:11:48 pm »
That's because you know what your doing, show up, stay late, and constantly learn.

I suspect a great many of these govt. employees haven't worked in the private sector and don't understand the basics.

My wife worked for the SBA.  The stories she told about the lazy ass (mostly black females) would make you scream.  The place was a dumping ground of ghettoness employees.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2025, 11:10:56 pm »
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I don't think there is any "friendly" way to do it that will actually work. Either you seize the moment or fail. It is a massive bureaucracy that protects its own. You have to break it quickly to fix it. Otherwise you get bogged down by a million little anchors and go nowhere.


Well, if you had my experience of reducing operations to their optimum level, you would know otherwise.  I  have done this in over 100 client sites, including government operations.  There are numerous ways to approach resource reduction, and the approach Trump/Musk is taking is foolish and reeks of ignorance.  The bull in the china shop will have his head removed with the 2026 election.  Mark my words.

What Trump and Musk are doing is literally arming the gun that will end the majorities enjoyed by the Republicans.  Fools, both of them.  Ignorant fools.

And no, this approach is the most juvenile of all approaches.  There is a way to reduce a workforce and never raise the ire of those within it, accomplishing the same desired outcome.  Trump is out of his element, and Musk is clueless.  This is not one of his companies, where he can do as he wishes.

You are gravely mistaken in your assessment.  The courts will shut Trump down, and the Supreme Court will not support his desired goals. 

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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2025, 11:16:06 pm »

Well, if you had my experience of reducing operations to their optimum level, you would know otherwise.  I  have done this in over 100 client sites, including government operations.  There are numerous ways to approach resource reduction, and the approach Trump/Musk is taking is foolish and reeks of ignorance.  The bull in the china shop will have his head removed with the 2026 election.  Mark my words.

What Trump and Musk are doing is literally arming the gun that will end the majorities enjoyed by the Republicans.  Fools, both of them.  Ignorant fools.

And no, this approach is the most juvenile of all approaches.  There is a way to reduce a workforce and never raise the ire of those within it, accomplishing the same desired outcome.  Trump is out of his element, and Musk is clueless.  This is not one of his companies, where he can do as he wishes.

You are gravely mistaken in your assessment.  The courts will shut Trump down, and the Supreme Court will not support his desired goals.

We'll find out soon enough.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2025, 11:26:41 pm »
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This could be the Reagan ATC moment.

Albeit, perhaps a bit too massive.

At least they’re offering 8mos pay.  They’d have plenty of time to find a new job.


Not even close.  The ATC folks went out on strike, and I believe it was an illegal strike.  Reagan terminated their employment. 

The Fork in the Road email was a threatening email, a totally foolish and stupid email, offering an additional 8 months of service, no work time required, which adds one year to those with 19 years and 4 months of service+ to entice folks to retire.  Usually these offers are presented in a friendly manner, but this was hostile and stupid.  I don't care how much money these two clowns have, this was about as stupid an act as I have ever witnessed for such a situation.

Folks that were planning to retire will take the offer, and potentially get an additional year in the calculation for their pension, and have 8 months to look for another position if that is their desire while being paid.  But the rest of the workforce see this email, and all the other threatening emails as an insult, and they will show their vengeance at the voting box.

The Republicans will take this idiocy on the chin and lose their majorities come Nov, 2026, and Trump will be impeached by both houses of Congress very shortly after that.  This clown act and the Trump position on the H1-b Visa increase in recipients, placating the tech billionaires, will be a knockout blow for the Republicans, particularly if they align themselves with Trump's position on this.  More American citizens displaced from their high paid tech jobs making way for cheap foreign labor, almost exclusively from India.  Ah yes, true brilliance!

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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2025, 11:37:50 pm »
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I’m not even thinking about political backlash.


Guess what, neither is Trump or Musk.  Musk with his Aspergers is incapable of having any human consideration for other humans.  That is part of the reason he bounces from one woman to another.  He has the senses of a robot.  He can get away with his doing as he wishes with his for profit companies, but dealing with government operations is a whole different animal, and both Musk and Trump are totally clueless.

The simple truth is that neither Trump or Musk are thinking of the political backlash either.  But Nov, 2026 is only 22 months away.  And the Dems will pull their heads out of their posterior and use both the attack on federal workers and  the elimination of hundreds of thousands more of US citizens from high paying jobs, being replaced by cheap foreign labor from India as two slingshots that will slay the Republicans handily with the 2026 election.

I could have made this happen without one person getting bent, without one lawsuit stopping me.  That is the difference between someone that spent a lifetime streamlining operations and two clowns that have zero idea what they are doing.  I am certain that Vivek seeing where these two were headed bailed first chance he could.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2025, 11:55:03 pm »

Well, if you had my experience of reducing operations to their optimum level, you would know otherwise.  I  have done this in over 100 client sites, including government operations.  There are numerous ways to approach resource reduction, and the approach Trump/Musk is taking is foolish and reeks of ignorance.  The bull in the china shop will have his head removed with the 2026 election.  Mark my words.

What Trump and Musk are doing is literally arming the gun that will end the majorities enjoyed by the Republicans.  Fools, both of them.  Ignorant fools.

And no, this approach is the most juvenile of all approaches.  There is a way to reduce a workforce and never raise the ire of those within it, accomplishing the same desired outcome.  Trump is out of his element, and Musk is clueless.  This is not one of his companies, where he can do as he wishes.

You are gravely mistaken in your assessment.  The courts will shut Trump down, and the Supreme Court will not support his desired goals.

Wow...incredible!  (not a slam)

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2025, 12:00:30 am »

Guess what, neither is Trump or Musk.  Musk with his Aspergers is incapable of having any human consideration for other humans.  That is part of the reason he bounces from one woman to another.  He has the senses of a robot.  He can get away with his doing as he wishes with his for profit companies, but dealing with government operations is a whole different animal, and both Musk and Trump are totally clueless.

The simple truth is that neither Trump or Musk are thinking of the political backlash either.  But Nov, 2026 is only 22 months away.  And the Dems will pull their heads out of their posterior and use both the attack on federal workers and  the elimination of hundreds of thousands more of US citizens from high paying jobs, being replaced by cheap foreign labor from India as two slingshots that will slay the Republicans handily with the 2026 election.

I could have made this happen without one person getting bent, without one lawsuit stopping me.  That is the difference between someone that spent a lifetime streamlining operations and two clowns that have zero idea what they are doing.  I am certain that Vivek seeing where these two were headed bailed first chance he could.

Hmmm...

IMO, the public at-large (voters) have too short an attention span.

We've debated that any cure for the US was going to be tantamount to stuffing Castor Oil down the public's throat. 

He has only 2 years in which to show positive results to voters...going against a sadistic mainstream media complex.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2025, 12:22:05 am »
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Bottom line is we are $36T in debt.  This is akin to dealing with a company in bankruptcy.  Bad results dictate highly drastic measures.


If Trump were a conservative with the mindset of attempting to solve the above issue, that would be one thing.  His attack on federal employees has nothing to do with solving the above, and it is a relative pinprick compared to real steps that need to be taken to reverse the above.

And Trump's 1st term is all the proof I need that he is NOT about remedying the financial situation of this nation.  Far from it.

Trump will use this approach to screen his true intent, which is vengeance upon the federal government for how he has been treated.  If he were smart about this, he would withdraw the US military from 50% of the countries we have men stationed, that is roughly 140 countries.  He would take the 450 agencies and bureaus and consolidate them into 200.  Each having their own pyramid of six figure pukes making six figure incomes contemplating how to spend tax payer money.

He would sell half the land controlled/owned by the federal government and use that money to pay down national debt exclusively versus spending it.  He would end the idiocy surrounding climate change, the Green New Scam, he would raise the Social Security Full Retirement Age to 70, and end the ability to collect at age 62 and move that to 67.

He would end anyone coming to the USA on a refugee status.  Shut down all Immigration courts, for they would no longer be needed.  He would cut the DOJ down by 70%, because stinking lawyers in our government bring too many frivolous lawsuits that never go anywhere as it is, ruining peoples' lives with their stink.

He would end the 20 years of service for all federal government workers to collect a pension and make it 30 years. 

He would implement a consumer tax, that focused on collecting taxes from the consumer, and not income taxes from the person that works for a living.  How many people do you know that pay nothing in taxes, yet live a very high life?  I know too many.

Trump should end subsidizing anything for the next four years, no subsidies for EVs, solar, or anything else. 

And the time has come to impose like tariffs on every nation that imposes tariffs on US goods.  This has gone on in Europe, China, Japan, etc, and we sit back talking about a free trade market while we pay through the nose.  Idiots!!!!!!

End counting illegal invading aliens in the census, which pumps up Democommie numbers by a huge number.

The time has come to begin a process to transition away from Social Security.  Begin a new program called the Personal Retirement Account, starting with 1% per year being placed in an untouchable account, where one can place the funds in mutual funds.  Increase the percentage by 1% every other year until it is at 10%, which will take 20 years, and then begin to reduce the taxes for Social Security when the number collecting Social Security begins to decline.  In the long term, Social Security could be phased out and folks have just the Personal Retirement Account.  The monies will not be permitted to be touched until one retires.  But it would end this nonsense of politicians stealing the money in Social Security to spend as they wish and leave you with I. O. U.s.  I say f*** the politicians.

End all golden parachutes for politicians.  They get 401k programs, $1 for $1 match up to 5%, etc.  And no more pensions for life with all the increases after serving just five years.  Let them have to serve 20 years to be eligible for any pension, and if they have less, they have to wait until they are 65 like everyone else.  Do that executive order!

Cut all intelligence organizations by 60%, save a sh*t ton of money and probably get better intelligence than the crap they produce presently. 

Trump should demand a mandatory balanced budget annually with no exception other than a declared war by Congress.  Last one of those was 1941.  How many wars have we fought since, and how many trillions of dollars squandered on said subsequent wars?  Many trillions.

And pump up the criminal code.  Anyone stealing someone's house upon being convicted is immediately taken out and publicly shot.  This crime irks the hell out of me, and every time I see a Home Title Lock commercial, I get incensed.  Another fine example of what the stinking FBI is NOT doing!

Anyone caught with fentanyl in their possession beyond a certain amount faces the death penalty, and public dispatch. 

And I say we end trade with China and Mexico until they end the fentanyl being pushed into the USA.  I have no love for either country.

If the elected pukes in Washington did their job, it would be easy to balance the budget.  Why is the USA spending hundreds of millions for condoms for the world, recently $55 million if memory serves just for Gaza alone.  Total insanity.

Back to your comment about drastic measures, what Trump is doing is NOT drastic measures.  What he is doing will have little impact on reducing spending, particularly when you account for the things he intends to increase spending on.

When the USA spends more on defense than the next 20 countries combined, it is safe to say we are spending money foolishly on defense.  PERIOD!    PERIOD!!    PERIOD!!!!


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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2025, 08:54:26 am »
This is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.  It was an OFFER.  If you don't want to take that offer, then just say no. No kicking and screaming required.

Ah, but it also included no remote working if you stay.  Personally, I think allowing remote work by people whose entire job consists of interacting with computers or interacting with people via computers and telephones is probably a boon to productivity, employee morale on the job and employee happiness overall, provided someone is actually overseeing the productivity so that they are sure the work is getting done.  The only downside is that it may make overseeing productivity slightly harder, and that, of course, is a downside for our new overlords, the professional managerial class, hence the "back to the office" movement.
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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2025, 09:04:38 am »
... provided someone is actually overseeing the productivity so that they are sure the work is getting done

Exactly, and now you have to spend extra effort (and extra money) just to accommodate the remote workers, an expense you don't have if they just show up to the office like everyone else

Plus, it creates disunity ... some workers have to show up to the office, some don't, and that perceived "unequal treatment" destroys morale and cohesion

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2025, 09:11:33 am »
There's a lot of evidence most people don't have the self-discipline to work at home. Paying people to show up to work isn't too much to ask. There are always exceptions, but that should only be on a case by case basis.

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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2025, 10:15:47 am »

If Trump were a conservative with the mindset of attempting to solve the above issue, that would be one thing.  His attack on federal employees has nothing to do with solving the above, and it is a relative pinprick compared to real steps that need to be taken to reverse the above.

And Trump's 1st term is all the proof I need that he is NOT about remedying the financial situation of this nation.  Far from it.

Trump will use this approach to screen his true intent, which is vengeance upon the federal government for how he has been treated.  If he were smart about this, he would withdraw the US military from 50% of the countries we have men stationed, that is roughly 140 countries.  He would take the 450 agencies and bureaus and consolidate them into 200.  Each having their own pyramid of six figure pukes making six figure incomes contemplating how to spend tax payer money.

He would sell half the land controlled/owned by the federal government and use that money to pay down national debt exclusively versus spending it.  He would end the idiocy surrounding climate change, the Green New Scam, he would raise the Social Security Full Retirement Age to 70, and end the ability to collect at age 62 and move that to 67.

He would end anyone coming to the USA on a refugee status.  Shut down all Immigration courts, for they would no longer be needed.  He would cut the DOJ down by 70%, because stinking lawyers in our government bring too many frivolous lawsuits that never go anywhere as it is, ruining peoples' lives with their stink.

He would end the 20 years of service for all federal government workers to collect a pension and make it 30 years. 

He would implement a consumer tax, that focused on collecting taxes from the consumer, and not income taxes from the person that works for a living.  How many people do you know that pay nothing in taxes, yet live a very high life?  I know too many.

Trump should end subsidizing anything for the next four years, no subsidies for EVs, solar, or anything else. 

And the time has come to impose like tariffs on every nation that imposes tariffs on US goods.  This has gone on in Europe, China, Japan, etc, and we sit back talking about a free trade market while we pay through the nose.  Idiots!!!!!!

End counting illegal invading aliens in the census, which pumps up Democommie numbers by a huge number.

The time has come to begin a process to transition away from Social Security.  Begin a new program called the Personal Retirement Account, starting with 1% per year being placed in an untouchable account, where one can place the funds in mutual funds.  Increase the percentage by 1% every other year until it is at 10%, which will take 20 years, and then begin to reduce the taxes for Social Security when the number collecting Social Security begins to decline.  In the long term, Social Security could be phased out and folks have just the Personal Retirement Account.  The monies will not be permitted to be touched until one retires.  But it would end this nonsense of politicians stealing the money in Social Security to spend as they wish and leave you with I. O. U.s.  I say f*** the politicians.

End all golden parachutes for politicians.  They get 401k programs, $1 for $1 match up to 5%, etc.  And no more pensions for life with all the increases after serving just five years.  Let them have to serve 20 years to be eligible for any pension, and if they have less, they have to wait until they are 65 like everyone else.  Do that executive order!

Cut all intelligence organizations by 60%, save a sh*t ton of money and probably get better intelligence than the crap they produce presently. 

Trump should demand a mandatory balanced budget annually with no exception other than a declared war by Congress.  Last one of those was 1941.  How many wars have we fought since, and how many trillions of dollars squandered on said subsequent wars?  Many trillions.

And pump up the criminal code.  Anyone stealing someone's house upon being convicted is immediately taken out and publicly shot.  This crime irks the hell out of me, and every time I see a Home Title Lock commercial, I get incensed.  Another fine example of what the stinking FBI is NOT doing!

Anyone caught with fentanyl in their possession beyond a certain amount faces the death penalty, and public dispatch. 

And I say we end trade with China and Mexico until they end the fentanyl being pushed into the USA.  I have no love for either country.

If the elected pukes in Washington did their job, it would be easy to balance the budget.  Why is the USA spending hundreds of millions for condoms for the world, recently $55 million if memory serves just for Gaza alone.  Total insanity.

Back to your comment about drastic measures, what Trump is doing is NOT drastic measures.  What he is doing will have little impact on reducing spending, particularly when you account for the things he intends to increase spending on.

When the USA spends more on defense than the next 20 countries combined, it is safe to say we are spending money foolishly on defense.  PERIOD!    PERIOD!!    PERIOD!!!!

If half of the dead headed fed slugs are gone.....   Tell me again in 100 word or less.....  how is this a bad thing?
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2025, 02:45:25 pm »

If Trump were a conservative with the mindset of attempting to solve the above issue, that would be one thing.  His attack on federal employees has nothing to do with solving the above, and it is a relative pinprick compared to real steps that need to be taken to reverse the above.

And Trump's 1st term is all the proof I need that he is NOT about remedying the financial situation of this nation.  Far from it.

Trump will use this approach to screen his true intent, which is vengeance upon the federal government for how he has been treated.  If he were smart about this, he would withdraw the US military from 50% of the countries we have men stationed, that is roughly 140 countries.  He would take the 450 agencies and bureaus and consolidate them into 200.  Each having their own pyramid of six figure pukes making six figure incomes contemplating how to spend tax payer money.

He would sell half the land controlled/owned by the federal government and use that money to pay down national debt exclusively versus spending it.  He would end the idiocy surrounding climate change, the Green New Scam, he would raise the Social Security Full Retirement Age to 70, and end the ability to collect at age 62 and move that to 67.

He would end anyone coming to the USA on a refugee status.  Shut down all Immigration courts, for they would no longer be needed.  He would cut the DOJ down by 70%, because stinking lawyers in our government bring too many frivolous lawsuits that never go anywhere as it is, ruining peoples' lives with their stink.

He would end the 20 years of service for all federal government workers to collect a pension and make it 30 years. 

He would implement a consumer tax, that focused on collecting taxes from the consumer, and not income taxes from the person that works for a living.  How many people do you know that pay nothing in taxes, yet live a very high life?  I know too many.

Trump should end subsidizing anything for the next four years, no subsidies for EVs, solar, or anything else. 

And the time has come to impose like tariffs on every nation that imposes tariffs on US goods.  This has gone on in Europe, China, Japan, etc, and we sit back talking about a free trade market while we pay through the nose.  Idiots!!!!!!

End counting illegal invading aliens in the census, which pumps up Democommie numbers by a huge number.

The time has come to begin a process to transition away from Social Security.  Begin a new program called the Personal Retirement Account, starting with 1% per year being placed in an untouchable account, where one can place the funds in mutual funds.  Increase the percentage by 1% every other year until it is at 10%, which will take 20 years, and then begin to reduce the taxes for Social Security when the number collecting Social Security begins to decline.  In the long term, Social Security could be phased out and folks have just the Personal Retirement Account.  The monies will not be permitted to be touched until one retires.  But it would end this nonsense of politicians stealing the money in Social Security to spend as they wish and leave you with I. O. U.s.  I say f*** the politicians.

End all golden parachutes for politicians.  They get 401k programs, $1 for $1 match up to 5%, etc.  And no more pensions for life with all the increases after serving just five years.  Let them have to serve 20 years to be eligible for any pension, and if they have less, they have to wait until they are 65 like everyone else.  Do that executive order!

Cut all intelligence organizations by 60%, save a sh*t ton of money and probably get better intelligence than the crap they produce presently. 

Trump should demand a mandatory balanced budget annually with no exception other than a declared war by Congress.  Last one of those was 1941.  How many wars have we fought since, and how many trillions of dollars squandered on said subsequent wars?  Many trillions.

And pump up the criminal code.  Anyone stealing someone's house upon being convicted is immediately taken out and publicly shot.  This crime irks the hell out of me, and every time I see a Home Title Lock commercial, I get incensed.  Another fine example of what the stinking FBI is NOT doing!

Anyone caught with fentanyl in their possession beyond a certain amount faces the death penalty, and public dispatch. 

And I say we end trade with China and Mexico until they end the fentanyl being pushed into the USA.  I have no love for either country.

If the elected pukes in Washington did their job, it would be easy to balance the budget.  Why is the USA spending hundreds of millions for condoms for the world, recently $55 million if memory serves just for Gaza alone.  Total insanity.

Back to your comment about drastic measures, what Trump is doing is NOT drastic measures.  What he is doing will have little impact on reducing spending, particularly when you account for the things he intends to increase spending on.

When the USA spends more on defense than the next 20 countries combined, it is safe to say we are spending money foolishly on defense.  PERIOD!    PERIOD!!    PERIOD!!!!
This country's greatest problem is the attacks to our country from within, not by politicians but by the bureaucrats who control the politicians. Little of what you describe here relate to eliminating the Deep State that is destroying us.

We have to take these people out to get anything done, period.

Good Lord, hasn't the Presidency of Biden brought that out into the open for the world to see?

With the will to do that, little else will be consequential as those actions of which you speak will not be undertaken but will be undercut by them.

If only patriotic people operate government, most of the actions you describe will be taken care of by concerned bureaucrats who place the country above their personal agenda.

You seem to equate politics with everything.  The greatest decisions are made by people doing the right thing and are unafraid of the political consequences.

We damn near lost our country until the 2024 election, and we need to clear house to mitigate being that close again.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2025, 03:02:24 pm »
I like jafo, but I don't think he understands that what Trump might loose in the Dead Head Fed vote will be more than compensated by millions of Americans who a cheering him on that have dealt with the unbearable bureacracy of IRS, EPA, FDA, OSHA, etc. etc. etc. etc,

Governmental agencies have made millions of lives pure hell.  Time to gut this son of a bitch.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2025, 03:06:53 pm »
This country's greatest problem is the attacks to our country from within, not by politicians but by the bureaucrats who control the politicians. Little of what you describe here relate to eliminating the Deep State that is destroying us.

We have to take these people out to get anything done, period.

Good Lord, hasn't the Presidency of Biden brought that out into the open for the world to see?

With the will to do that, little else will be consequential as those actions of which you speak will not be undertaken but will be undercut by them.

If only patriotic people operate government, most of the actions you describe will be taken care of by concerned bureaucrats who place the country above their personal agenda.

You seem to equate politics with everything.  The greatest decisions are made by people doing the right thing and are unafraid of the political consequences.

We damn near lost our country until the 2024 election, and we need to clear house to mitigate being that close again.

The last I heard they expect about 10% of the workforce to accept the offer. I would bet there is at least another 20% that will see their dept.'s eliminated and will have wished they accepted the offer.

It's stunning how fast and decisively Pres. Trump is moving. We are seeing the reassertion of the unitary executive and people are shocked. It seems to me Pres. Trump recognizes that Congress is largely worthless and he's going to have to do the heavy lifting on his own. DOGE is finding all kinds of savings and they've only just begun.

As far as people losing their govt. jobs goes I don't believe they are going to get a lot of sympathy. The federal govt is not all that popular and as people see services remain the same, or improve they will care even less.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2025, 03:09:19 pm »
Whereas I did the opposite, spending 4 years with the Dept of Commerce and learned enough to know not to accept further employment with the government so the next 42 years was in the private sector.

I worked one project with Dept. of Enrrgy, and learned right there that I never wanted to work with government again, much less for them.  As an engineer, I instinctively like fixing problems.  Government is focused on creating them.  The two mindsets are in conflict.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2025, 03:14:11 pm »

As far as people losing their govt. jobs goes I don't believe they are going to get a lot of sympathy. The federal govt is not all that popular and as people see services remain the same, or improve they will care even less.

Non governmental folks have lived and worked their entire work lives with the understanding that if they can't meet work expectations that they won't keep their job.  90% of all of us also have understood that our employment was dependent on the success of the organization (business) we worked for.

Lack of sympathy?  Yeah, but from my POV, seeing some of these dead heads get the pink slip will provide me an immeasurable amount of schadenfreude and joy.  I hate to be heartless, but after watching so many of these wave the "untouchable" flag at us....  it has created a level of anger   that can't be ignored.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2025, 03:14:53 pm »
I like jafo, but I don't think he understands that what Trump might loose in the Dead Head Fed vote will be more than compensated by millions of Americans who a cheering him on that have dealt with the unbearable bureacracy of IRS, EPA, FDA, OSHA, etc. etc. etc. etc,

The Dead Head Fed vote already sways 95% Democrat.  You're not losing any votes.  It's Dem campaign coffers that will be taking the hit.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2025, 03:16:01 pm »
I worked one project with Dept. of Enrrgy, and learned right there that I never wanted to work with government again, much less for them.  As an engineer, I instinctively like fixing problems.  Government is focused on creating them.  The two mindsets are in conflict.

30 years as a Environmental Manager at a plant working, and mostly fighting  with EPA?  I hope there is film of their departure.
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Re: Fed Workers ‘Kicking And Screaming’ At Trump’s Buyout Offer
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2025, 03:21:39 pm »
Non governmental folks have lived and worked their entire work lives with the understanding that if they can't meet work expectations that they won't keep their job.  90% of all of us also have understood that our employment was dependent on the success of the organization (business) we worked for.

Lack of sympathy?  Yeah, but from my POV, seeing some of these dead heads get the pink slip will provide me an immeasurable amount of schadenfreude and joy.  I hate to be heartless, but after watching so many of these wave the "untouchable" flag at us....  it has created a level of anger   that can't be ignored.

I get it and have some of the same thoughts.
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