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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #350 on: February 01, 2025, 11:14:14 pm »
you can try and fill in blanks, but let’s not start creating a situation where anyone who isn’t a white male should be labeled DEI.

Many women have died for your country, they shouldn’t be labeled DEI.

I, for one, have not put any labels on anyone. Simply exploring ALL possibilities including those some here might not want to hear..
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #351 on: February 01, 2025, 11:21:53 pm »
I, for one, have not put any labels on anyone. Simply exploring ALL possibilities including those some here might not want to hear..
I just find it pretty distasteful that a service member has just passed away and people including the president, her boss, has implied it’s because of DEI -  without investigation of what actually happened.

The two things might be linked, they might not be, but a few hours after the incident, without facts, is just playing politics.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #352 on: February 01, 2025, 11:23:46 pm »
I just find it pretty distasteful that a service member has just passed away and people including the president, her boss, has implied it’s because of DEI -  without investigation of what actually happened.

The two things might be linked, they might not be, but a few hours after the incident, without facts, is just playing politics.
Keep in mind that may be aimed at FAA hiring practices for ATCs and not the pilot of the Blackhawk. The FAA practices are well documented in memos and are extreme, to say the least.

One of the holes in the swiss cheese, here, is the failure of the ATC to notify PAT25 that there were multiple inbounds on that track, and the other is PAT25 being out of their assigned airspace (too high, too far west). An understandable error is that while the Blackhawk crew thought they had the 'right' plane in visual, they did not,  but instead saw other traffic and assumed that was the only inbound aircraft.
In theory, that was preventable. It may not be a result of anything but human error, in both places. Whether DEI factors in remains to be seen, and I am waiting on all the facts before I make any judgements.
If the assessment of what led to the collision is not accurate and complete, the likelihood of it happening again is increased.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #353 on: February 01, 2025, 11:32:01 pm »
you can try and fill in blanks, but let’s not start creating a situation where anyone who isn’t a white male should be labeled DEI.

No one here is doing that.  In fact, the first mention of 'white males' on this thread was yours.


Many women have died for your country, they shouldn’t be labeled DEI.

No one is denigrating the sacrifices of anyone laying down their life for this country.  No one.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #354 on: February 01, 2025, 11:32:13 pm »
I just find it pretty distasteful that a service member has just passed away and people including the president, her boss, has implied it’s because of DEI -  without investigation of what actually happened.

The two things might be linked, they might not be, but a few hours after the incident, without facts, is just playing politics.

You mean like how the Rats always blame the NRA after a school shooting?

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« Reply #355 on: February 01, 2025, 11:35:02 pm »
She was a Captain in the U.S. Army Reserves.

Was this an Army helicopter?  One of the contributing factors of the failed Iran rescue attempts is that you had pilots of one service branch flying aircraft  of another branch.  While generally the same, there are slight differences in operation signals and aircraft faults.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #356 on: February 01, 2025, 11:36:16 pm »
You mean like how the Rats always blame the NRA after a school shooting?

But . . . but . . . but that's different.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #357 on: February 01, 2025, 11:37:25 pm »
But that's one of the worst things about DEI,    it makes people question why somebody is in the position they are in, even if they are qualified.   Was she truly the best person for the job, given other applicants?     As long as DEI exists, people will ask these questions.

Spot on.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #358 on: February 01, 2025, 11:44:41 pm »
You mean like how the Rats always blame the NRA after a school shooting?
yes exactly like that. Which is why we should not stoop as low as those on the left. Let facts drive the narrative. Don’t make assumptions, don’t put people in boxes.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #359 on: February 02, 2025, 12:12:46 am »
yes exactly like that. Which is why we should not stoop as low as those on the left. Let facts drive the narrative. Don’t make assumptions, don’t put people in boxes.

Who put who in a box?
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #360 on: February 02, 2025, 12:47:37 am »
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BREAKING: Army has now identified the female pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter that collided with American Airlines flight as Captain Rebecca M. Lobach from Durham, North Carolina.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #361 on: February 02, 2025, 01:26:19 am »
I thought republicans were pro military and veterans? Yet you have people on here making assumptions based off zero evidence, including trump. Was she gay? Who knows, what she a DEI hire? Who knows, let’s stick to FACTS. Also just because someone is gay/black/minority/non white/a women doesn’t make them a DEI hire. Many women have served your country and have done the country proud, many are veterans who have done more for your country than you people ever will.

Should DEI exist? No, DEI lowers standards.  But putting people in boxes and saying she/he is a DEI because they are white/black/gay/minority is doing exactly what the democrats do -  putting people in groups and boxes and judging them based on various factors.

No...

Part of the joy of this site is being able to spitball ideas off the wall... Presenting something as fact, it often gets shot down in flames. Example: She was a transexual named XYZ up thread. It was shot down as not true... not the same as wondering (and vocalizing theories) that she was possible trans... If you post something fake that someone has put up (Twitter, Facebook) and it gets shot down, well take your lumps and move on.

But as far as spitballing, I want lots of guesses and such, it is part of our "science" of getting to the truth eventually. Some theories don't make the cut... but to make theories you have to try a lot of things on, and then throw out what didn't fit.

Odds are we are not making the news here, we are just talking with friends and speculating (educated guesses, historical influnced guess other times)....and it is ok to get it wrong here and there especially of you own your mistakes downthread. 
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #362 on: February 02, 2025, 02:41:22 am »
No...

Part of the joy of this site is being able to spitball ideas off the wall... Presenting something as fact, it often gets shot down in flames. Example: She was a transexual named XYZ up thread. It was shot down as not true... not the same as wondering (and vocalizing theories) that she was possible trans... If you post something fake that someone has put up (Twitter, Facebook) and it gets shot down, well take your lumps and move on.

But as far as spitballing, I want lots of guesses and such, it is part of our "science" of getting to the truth eventually. Some theories don't make the cut... but to make theories you have to try a lot of things on, and then throw out what didn't fit.

Odds are we are not making the news here, we are just talking with friends and speculating (educated guesses, historical influnced guess other times)....and it is ok to get it wrong here and there especially of you own your mistakes downthread.

Thank you @Sighlass   :beer: 

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #363 on: February 02, 2025, 02:51:28 am »
No...

Part of the joy of this site is being able to spitball ideas off the wall... Presenting something as fact, it often gets shot down in flames. Example: She was a transexual named XYZ up thread. It was shot down as not true... not the same as wondering (and vocalizing theories) that she was possible trans... If you post something fake that someone has put up (Twitter, Facebook) and it gets shot down, well take your lumps and move on.

But as far as spitballing, I want lots of guesses and such, it is part of our "science" of getting to the truth eventually. Some theories don't make the cut... but to make theories you have to try a lot of things on, and then throw out what didn't fit.

Odds are we are not making the news here, we are just talking with friends and speculating (educated guesses, historical influnced guess other times)....and it is ok to get it wrong here and there especially of you own your mistakes downthread.
...and there it is. While one way to not make mistakes is to never proffer ideas that are an extrapolation of incomplete data, it is amazing how often those extrapolations DO turn out to be true.
Especially with Democrat based programs, being a pessimist, being cynical, seems to be justified more often than not when the facts are revealed. As you said, the initial shotgun approach of theories, followed by winnowing out those which simply don't fit, is an effective way at coming up with things which DO fit. A lot can be discarded along the way, and on occasion, NONE of the things we suspect will be the case.
We used the same method to determine depositional environments looking at outcrops of sedimentary rock when I was an undergraduate studying geology: Brainstorming, elimination, discussion of most likely alternatives, further elimination/additional observations, conclusion (which sometimes amounted to "We don't know".)
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #364 on: February 02, 2025, 02:53:10 am »


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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #365 on: February 02, 2025, 03:04:27 am »
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #366 on: February 02, 2025, 03:48:30 am »
I’m all for discussing things and obviously not shutting down debate and ideas, I just found it distasteful DEI was the blame, when bodies where fresh, families are mourning, and soldiers loved ones have just found out their son and/ daughter have just died and NOONE could possible know the facts.

DEI is a problem, trump is going to fix it, it’s both possible to be against DEI, and act with a bit of class when 60+ of your fellow citizens have just died, including 3 service men/women.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #367 on: February 02, 2025, 05:53:39 am »
They deleted Lobach's social media accounts before the announcement.  Why???
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #368 on: February 02, 2025, 06:05:42 am »
I’m all for discussing things and obviously not shutting down debate and ideas, I just found it distasteful DEI was the blame, when bodies where fresh, families are mourning, and soldiers loved ones have just found out their son and/ daughter have just died and NOONE could possible know the facts.

DEI is a problem, trump is going to fix it, it’s both possible to be against DEI, and act with a bit of class when 60+ of your fellow citizens have just died, including 3 service men/women.

Was merely having a little fun with you.  Enjoy reading your posts!   :beer:
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #369 on: February 02, 2025, 09:12:07 am »
I’m all for discussing things and obviously not shutting down debate and ideas, I just found it distasteful DEI was the blame, when bodies where fresh, families are mourning, and soldiers loved ones have just found out their son and/ daughter have just died and NOONE could possible know the facts.

DEI is a problem, trump is going to fix it, it’s both possible to be against DEI, and act with a bit of class when 60+ of your fellow citizens have just died, including 3 service men/women.

A couple of things. Speculation swirls when the government hides information that we know they know with certainty. They hid her name for days but not the others. Government is responsible for that situation.

The helicopter increased altitude just before the collision and was not where it was supposed to be. That puts the onus on the crew of the helicopter. To increase altitude to essentially intersect the flight path of the commercial aircraft while already flying substantially higher than their maximum limit and out of the flight corridor they were assigned to is extremely suspicious. Yes, it could very easily be something other than on purpose. But there is no definitive evidence either way. Whatever the cause, they screwed up and killed a lot of people. It is what it is.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #370 on: February 02, 2025, 09:34:36 am »
They deleted Lobach's social media accounts before the announcement.  Why???

Perhaps the Blackhawk was simply on a "joy ride".  PAT25 did make a touch and go prior to the crash.

Wish someone on the recovery crane was able to video tape the wreckage of the helicopter being pulled from the Potomac river...maybe more than 3 bodies were inside. Were all cell phones confiscated before recovery efforts??   :shrug:

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #371 on: February 02, 2025, 09:40:24 am »
I'll just throw this out there and leave it.

As far as I'm concerned the science is NEVER settled.


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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #372 on: February 02, 2025, 09:56:29 am »
Here's the Latest Detail to Keep an Eye on Regarding the Mid-Air Crash at Reagan Airport

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The tragedy has set off new discussions about air traffic control staffing, where conditions in the tower that night were described as “not normal,” with one controller doing the work of two. Yet, this isn’t a new criticism: Reagan National has had multiple close calls with the air congestion. The FAA grounded all low-altitude helicopters until further notice. The flight recorder from the American Airlines flight was recovered and is being analyzed, with the NTSB revealing that there appears to have been an attempt by the airplane to avoid the collision (via NY Post):

    The pilot of the passenger plane that hit a military chopper and crashed in the Potomac River this week may have attempted a last second move to evade the collision, NTSB said at a news conference.

    The CRJ was at 325 feet at the time of impact “plus or minus 25-feet” the NTSB revealed at the press conference, Saturday. 

    “At one point, very close to the impact, there was a slight change in pitch, an increase in pitch,” NTSB board member Todd Inman said of the nose of the plane.

    However, that maneuver was at the “last second,” and was not in time to avoid being hit by the helicopter.

    The altitude correction is based on information retrieved from the on-board flight data recorder recovered by rescue teams from the Potomac River on Friday.

    “Again, this data is preliminary,” Inman stressed, though stated official word will come from the agency in the coming days.

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    NTSB said they are continuing to work out the transcripts of both the plane and helicopter communications, which occurred on different channels.

    The agency clarified that the recordings that are circulating on social media are only half of the communications that were sent out by the DC control tower on Wednesday.

     NTSB also confirmed that this training flight would require night vision goggles for the military personnel and that this could have contributed to the accident — though it was not clear.


The word preliminary was lost with local media, which pressed the NTSB yesterday to give more details. It was as if this new tidbit was a verified fact, something the agency said was false. They’re still investigating.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #373 on: February 02, 2025, 10:00:37 am »
Army helicopter was warned about American Airlines plane twice — with final alert coming just seconds before DC crash

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #374 on: February 02, 2025, 10:02:03 am »
I'll just throw this out there and leave it.

As far as I'm concerned the science is NEVER settled.


But you want to be “on the right side of history”, dontcha? (Don’t you love modern guilt/shame/arrogant sloganeering?)
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