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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2025, 09:37:19 am »
To me, this is looking more and more the Air Traffic Control's fault...
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2025, 09:37:28 am »
I haven't seen the FAA say any such thing about three "near misses."  Sounds like fringy blogger speculation.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #78 on: January 30, 2025, 09:38:52 am »
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Yes. One of my friends is going through this right now. His wife was on the flight. Sweet girl who I knew from my time working in NC years ago when they were dating. They have two children ages 3 and 1. I feel sick to my stomach for him. Our friend group is with him for support - but conflicting reports of survivors is absolutely excruciating when no info is being provided.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #79 on: January 30, 2025, 09:39:29 am »
To me, this is looking more and more the Air Traffic Control's fault...

No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2025, 09:41:07 am »
 
Was The DC Aircraft Collision Another Matrix Attack On Civil Aviation?
By L Todd Wood
January 30, 2025
 

The incident yesterday near Reagan Airport in Washington, D.C. must be questioned. In today's environment, Occam's razor rules supreme.

I have thousands of hours in high-performance rotary-wing aircraft and a commercial ticket in rotary and fixed-wing.

In my view, this was not an accident. President Trump said as much last night on Truth Social.

https://armedforces.press/was-the-dc-aircraft-collision-another-matrix-attack-on-civil-aviation/
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2025, 09:43:44 am »
Military aircraft can dial up any frequency they want including some that commercial aircraft sometimes don't have the equipment for ("HF" frequencies). 

Transcontinental flights and some commercial/civilian aircraft operating in remote areas (New Guinea, Alaska) also utilize HF frequencies.

https://www.collinsaerospace.com/what-we-do/industries/military-and-defense/communications/airborne-communications/hf-communications

https://youtu.be/UIUvUuIt-n0?si=aYgYaNk_vQxFS5a4

Apparently some USA figure skaters on the AA CRJ airliner:  https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1884867286944592098

The info I had last night turns out to have been completely incorrect. I was told that the Helo was just taking off after a refueling stop. My bad.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2025, 09:46:31 am »
No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.

Hegseth just said that they "had night vision goggles"... Unclear if that meant they were wearing them...

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« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2025, 09:46:59 am »
No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.

The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #86 on: January 30, 2025, 09:48:05 am »
Any of the Blackhawk crew muslim?

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« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2025, 09:48:37 am »
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A horrifying tragedy unfolded last night when an American Airlines regional jet and an Army UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter collided over the Potomac River near Washington, D.C. The crash, which left no survivors, has led to a grim recovery effort, with at least 27 bodies pulled from the water so far. Among the passengers were several U.S. figure skating team members and coaches.



This is tragic…. Something is very fishy IMO too. Sounds like some DEI leftovers from the Biden Admin may have set out to kill ppl tonight. Just awfully strange happens just as Hegseth and Duffy are confirmed. Amazingly MSM also happens to need a new “Trump's fault” story…This is way way too suspicious.

https://conservativeus.com/video-cnn-points-finger-at-trump-for-dc-plane-crash-ends-up-embarrassing-themselves/

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2025, 09:49:05 am »
Hegseth just said that they "had night vision goggles"... Unclear if that meant they were wearing them...

...an experienced helicopter pilot would not be wearing night vision goggles over a much lit area like RNA....
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2025, 09:49:06 am »
Things I would like to know.

Had the tower been in verbal contact with the helo?

What was its point of departure and what is known about the pilot?

Why didn't the pilot of the plane take avoidance measures?

If the tower had not been in contact with the helo, was this a drone or suicide "martyr" on a terrorist run?  That is very heavily controlled air space, and this kind of thing shouldn't happen.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2025, 09:50:43 am »
Memories come flooding back of the 1970 Wichita State Football Team who saw over 75% of them killed in a plane crash.

Six weeks later the plane carrying the Marshall Thundering Herd football team also crashed in West Virginia.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2025, 09:51:56 am »
No, I think it's the Army Blackhawk pilot's fault...he probably had visual on the wrong incoming or departing plane when asked by ATC and didn't see the one right in front of him for some reason.

After reading through this thread this morning, I think it was both.  The ATC comms were not specific enough and the helo pilot's actions are unexplainable to me. Whatever the case, a bunch of folks who shouldn't be are still dead.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2025, 09:52:22 am »
The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...

The helicopter increased altitude just before hitting the plane. Indications so far are the pilot decided to do that and was not directed by traffic controllers to do that. The helicopter was too high in that location.

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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2025, 09:53:49 am »
The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...

I think you're probably right. At this point, it seems less about malice and more about (multiple) human errors.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2025, 09:54:26 am »
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Whatever the case, a bunch of folks who shouldn't be are still dead.

...and that's the sad truth.. :crying:
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #95 on: January 30, 2025, 09:56:43 am »
The helicopter had no business flying over an active runway at that altitude...so keeping all the aircraft separated is the air traffic controller's job.....this was *the perfect storm*...where several mistakes all came together at the same time...

It wasn't over the runway...both aircraft were over the Potomac, which is the main landmark and thoroughfare for all air traffic in and out of DC.  Two different controllers too...the civilian ATC and the military one at the airfield where the Blackhawk was based.  And the civilian ATC was in fact communicating with the Blackhawk only thirty seconds before the collision, asking the pilot if he had visual on the arriving 5342, and then directing him to fly behind it, at which point he collided with it. 

I think that this was just a  terrible accident, caused by miscommunication in a very busy approach lane in constricted space on a dark and blustery night.  Preventable, yes, but it happens in air travel, as any number of Youtube videos on previous crashes can attest.
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #96 on: January 30, 2025, 10:01:20 am »
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DC plane crash was ‘needless loss of life,’ aviation rules may have been ‘violated’: attorney



The Wednesday night collision of a commercial American Airlines flight and a Black Hawk helicopter in Washington, D.C., was a “needless loss of life," and aviation rules may have been violated, according to aviation attorney Bob Clifford.

Clifford is the lead counsel representing families of victims involved in a 2019 Boeing 737 Max 8 crash that killed 157 persons in Ethiopia from Chicago.

“This morning President Trump came out and talked about how preventable it was that it should never have occurred, and that's true,” Clifford told Fox News Digital. “Here in this particular airport in our nation's capital, there's an intersection and convergence all the time between civil and military aircraft. So, yes, it's surprising to some folks that a military aircraft is anywhere near a commercial airport. But that's common in D.C., especially at Reagan, because you have the forts right across the Potomac.”

He added that there are “very strict rules about how those aircraft should interact with each other," and it appears “those rules may have been violated.”

“It's obviously too soon to tell, though the finger-pointing is beginning already, when you have the CEO of American Airlines pointing this fingers at the air traffic controller and the helicopter and their communications,” Clifford said. “So there will be but there's plenty of time for all of that, but certainly this was a needless loss of life.”

Clifford noted that audio from the air traffic controller appears to show an official giving the Black Hawk directions, first asking if the pilot sees the commercial aircraft and then telling the pilot to pass behind that aircraft, but there is no response before the crash.

“That's why there's been criticism of the of this night operation for the military that maybe the military shouldn't be anywhere near Reagan Airport at night when they're dealing with the visual issues of darkness and maybe even fog or other things,” Clifford explained. “… A lot of things to look at here, but we know it was a preventable loss of life, and it should not happen in this country.”
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2025, 10:02:38 am »
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I think that this was just a  terrible accident, caused by miscommunication in a very busy approach lane in constricted space on a dark and blustery night.  Preventable, yes, but it happens in air travel, as any number of Youtube videos on previous crashes can attest.

Agreed...
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Re: All flights halted at Reagan National Airport due to plane crash
« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2025, 10:07:44 am »
This is a good review and analysis by a real expert on aviation and the industry.


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